9/11 - It's Over, so Please Get Over It and Move on.

[fromdownunder]

If it's all over, why keep starting threads on already debunked topics? It seems to me, as somebody who reads the threads here, but rarely posts, that well over 90% of the threads are now started by people who point to an already debunked idea, and just repost the "same old" and citing a link. Then the odd truther joins in and gets dumped upon completely and within hours, just like a school of pirahna waiting for prey.

This is discussion? No, it is baiting the few poor, demented people who still bottom feed from this Board, and like to encourage responses. Or perhaps it is them who are trying to bait you?

Truthers rarely start threads lately, and from what I have read here recently, it is only the bottom of the barrel truthers that are left on JREF, and they are not even worth the effort. And I can almost always tell when a truther has started a thread - if it a new thread today, and there are 30-40 responses, it is most likely a new truther using an old regurgitated argument, or a brand new one repeating the "same old", or coming out with something even more outlandish.

They had their fifteen minutes of fame, which according to many here peaked on 9/11 2006. Perhaps you, as debunkers need to also realise that your 15 minutes of fame is also up, and stop re-creating old stuff just to keep a close to dead topic going. "Come in Number 7, your Time is Up". If you don't start new threads, it might just (mostly) go away. Is that what people who have invested a lot of effort and learned the facts are afraid of?

There will always be truthers - see the Kennedy conspiracy threads that are still alive and well nearly 50 years after the event - but, it's over. If you are just doing it for **** and giggles, say so, and that is fine by me, but it is over, and the (real) truth has already set us free.

Yes, I know that this has been discussed before, but it needs further consideration all the time.

Norm

[Arus808]

the only people on my ignore list are truthers.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Where there's a conspiracy theory, there's always people who promote them.

Next great conspiracy will be the year 2012!

[Obviousman]

Often it is because people have heard a claim but don't have the resources to show it is baseless. Gravy's website, along with 9-11 myths, are tremendous resources but they don't cover everything.

Gravy has put a huge amount of effort into his pages, but it is asking too much for him to waste time updating it with every new desperate claim (e.g. PFFFFFFFT and the door).

Would it be worth considering a Wikipedia-style 9-11 debunking site, similar to whay 9-11 myths has done but that can be updated by people like Gravy, ElMondoHummus, Gumboot, etc?

That way it will be up to date.

Just an idea.

[fromdownunder]

Where there's a conspiracy theory, there's always people who promote them.

Yes, I agree - As I said in my post, the Kennedy thing is still going nearly 50 years later. It does not mean that they need to be had fed to keep this sort of stupidity going. Just slap it down when it is raised and don;t feed it.

Next great conspiracy will be the year 2012!

I actually doubt this. The Y2K thingy came and went without much of a murmor. And I do not think that the Maya calander is really the basis of much of a conspiracy. It is just every day woo - they will find something else after that, and move on.

Norm

[fromdownunder]

Would it be worth considering a Wikipedia-style 9-11 debunking site, similar to whay 9-11 myths has done but that can be updated by people like Gravy, ElMondoHummus, Gumboot, etc?

That way it will be up to date.

Just an idea.

Do you really think that 9/11 True Believers would actually do any research? This entire sub-forum is evidence that they won't. Especially the ones that are left.

Norm

[Bill Thompson]

the only people on my ignore list are truthers.

Dude, do you mean you can confugre this so that you do not even see some posts from some people?

Awesome.

I want to learn how.

[WildCat]

Dude, do you mean you can confugre this so that you do not even see some posts from some people?

Awesome.

I want to learn how.
Just click their name and then "add to your ignore list".

[AJM8125]

Just click their name and then "add to your ignore list".

Or keyboard shortcut alt+f4.

[fourtoe]

Oh please. This stuff is interesting."Why bother trying to debate creationists/antivaxers/AGW deniers"

Why does it upset you so much that people are interested in and enjoy talking about a skeptical topic on a skeptics' forum?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Yes, I agree - As I said in my post, the Kennedy thing is still going nearly 50 years later. It does not mean that they need to be had fed to keep this sort of stupidity going. Just slap it down when it is raised and don;t feed it.



I actually doubt this. The Y2K thingy came and went without much of a murmor. And I do not think that the Maya calander is really the basis of much of a conspiracy. It is just every day woo - they will find something else after that, and move on.

Norm

Sadly the Kennedy Assassination conspiracies will never die, thanks to the Truthers & Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie. The Truthers will continue to feed that to younger people so the legend can live on, like it has.

Well we'll see when the Truthers are going to the store to stock up on food, toilet paper & water in 2012. I'll laugh like I did in 2000 when the Y2K "bug" was supposed to happen.

[Arus808]

haha hte y2k bug. for a film project that I did with a friend for college, we had this whole thing about how the Y2K bug was a secret enemy government invention to cause widespread panic. we had this great chase scene on a motorcycle; long runs on pedestrian overpasses over the freeway and in the end, the "perpetrator" of the entire "plan" was our pseudo Elvis impersonator.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

From the Truther perspective:

[fromdownunder]

Oh please. This stuff is interesting."Why bother trying to debate creationists/antivaxers/AGW deniers"

My main point was that there are very few threads actually started by truthers on this sub-forum any more. Most of the threads are started by debunkers as though they need some sort of fix, and need to keep this going.

Why does it upset you so much that people are interested in and enjoy talking about a skeptical topic on a skeptics' forum?

I am not upset at all. I am just asking questions. :D I was being deliberately confrontive and specifically asked the equivalent of "if you like poking sticks at dead animals, just say so". You are the ones starting all the threads, and if it behoves you to do that as chum, (Aussie for bait before you actually put stuff on hooks to catch dumb fish) just say so.

Because that is mostly what this sub-forum is about these days. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Norm

[fromdownunder]

Sadly the Kennedy Assassination conspiracies will never die, thanks to the Truthers & Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie. The Truthers will continue to feed that to younger people so the legend can live on, like it has.

But, there is no entire Forum dedicated to this, and it really is moving towads The Outer Limits. IIRC, there is one sparcely populated thread on this topic on the general Conspiracy Board at ther moment.

Well we'll see when the Truthers are going to the store to stock up on food, toilet paper & water in 2012. I'll laugh like I did in 2000 when the Y2K "bug" was supposed to happen.

They don't need to stock up - they still have the leftovers from the last one.

Norm

[rjh01]

Often it is because people have heard a claim but don't have the resources to show it is baseless. Gravy's website, along with 9-11 myths, are tremendous resources but they don't cover everything.

Gravy has put a huge amount of effort into his pages, but it is asking too much for him to waste time updating it with every new desperate claim (e.g. PFFFFFFFT and the door).

Would it be worth considering a Wikipedia-style 9-11 debunking site, similar to whay 9-11 myths has done but that can be updated by people like Gravy, ElMondoHummus, Gumboot, etc?

That way it will be up to date.

Just an idea.

This is a plug for this forum and the tags on this forum.

You do not need another website debunking site that will never be kept up to date. Most of the claims get discussed here. So create a tag for every claim. When the same claim is discussed AGAIN then use the same tag again. If someone wants to find a claim they can use the tags or ask the tagger.

All you need is one tagger with an interest in 9/11 to keep the site up to date with tags. That is the trouble with tags. You need a tagger that thinks the job is important to the fate of the universe. I do forum management. Most of the threads there have tags because of me. You need to find (or get Darat to appoint) a tagger that will do the same for 9/11.

Suggest the tagger keeps some documentation of what the tags mean. So that there is a one to one relationship between tags and subjects.

[fourtoe]

My main point was that there are very few threads actually started by truthers on this sub-forum any more. Most of the threads are started by debunkers as though they need some sort of fix, and need to keep this going.



I am not upset at all. I am just asking questions. :D I was being deliberately confrontive and specifically asked the equivalent of "if you like poking sticks at dead animals, just say so". You are the ones starting all the threads, and if it behoves you to do that as chum, (Aussie for bait before you actually put stuff on hooks to catch dumb fish) just say so.

Because that is mostly what this sub-forum is about these days. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Norm

Well I don't think anyone would disagree that shooting fish in a barrel is pretty lame. And I no longer pay attention to Algebra or Miss Smith because they do seem like just trolls. But I think that the 911 CT is interesting alone.

Its cool to learn about fire science and CDs and all that stuff. There still are leaders in the TM who yes, still say the same crap over and over again, but also say and do sketchy and deceitful things and I think they need to be called out for doing so. Debating 911 CTs doesn't have to stop at arguing about space beams and parachuting Mossad agents. A lot more comes out of it that IMO, is still relevant today. I mean, especially with KSM going to trial and all.

[fourtoe]

And we call bait, chum as well here in the states. The difference is that the beaches that I live by are too polluted to fish in. :(

[Brainache]

...
Because that is mostly what this sub-forum is about these days. Shooting fish in a barrel.

Norm

I've been here since 2006 and this forum has always been about shooting fish in a barrel. Maybe occasionally someone like Greg Urich or Frank Greening would show up, but they were always the exception. Mostly it was Killtown, Ace Baker, PDoherty, Max Photon and 28thKingdom etc, all of whom were ludicrously pathetic debaters.

I see your point tho'. Where have all the nutjobs gone? Even Jihad Jane seems to spend most of her time in other fora.

Maybe it's time I checked out a Bigfoot thread or something...

[fromdownunder]

Its cool to learn about fire science and CDs and all that stuff. There still are leaders in the TM who yes, still say the same crap over and over again, but also say and do sketchy and deceitful things and I think they need to be called out for doing so. Debating 911 CTs doesn't have to stop at arguing about space beams and parachuting Mossad agents. A lot more comes out of it that IMO, is still relevant today. I mean, especially with KSM going to trial and all.

This is good. I have learned (or at least become acquainted with) quite a bit of science that would never have crossed my path had I not read this sub-forum. That is one of the positives, or perhaps the one remaining positive..

But the truthers have been called out and utterly failed, and the entertainment and knowledge side of things have almost vanished - even years ago. It's seems to have become all about baiting, and swoopiing on ignorance,

Everybody seems to be missing my main point) probably badly put in the first place) . If you stop starting threads, (90% plus started by debunkers) the sub forum may die, and we can all go home and do real stuff.

Do you want this sub=-forum to die or not? If you do, stop stareting new threads - it works for me.

Norm

[UNLoVedRebel]

Chum is used here. @ 0:36 Listen to Dennis Miller say "there's chum in the water on her" speaking about Pelosi.

L4zHm04uX68

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Truthers are at it again with the same old tactics, complete with YouTube videos:

http://www.vote3rdpartynow.org/9-11.html

I just love the title:

Vote3rdPartyNow.org(or Ron Paul)

...because real change does not exist if we keep voting the same way

[UNLoVedRebel]

Do you want this sub=-forum to die or not? If you do, stop stareting new threads - it works for me.
Parky, Chewy, listen up because this concerns you.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Parky, Chewy, EVERYONE listen up because this concerns you.

Fixed that for you!

[rjh01]

Of course people with an in depth knowledge of the 'truth' can always go to other forums and point out their errors. Then when you are banned compete with PDoherty to see who can create the most socks.

[fourtoe]

Everybody seems to be missing my main point) probably badly put in the first place) . If you stop starting threads, (90% plus started by debunkers) the sub forum may die, and we can all go home and do real stuff.

Do you want this sub=-forum to die or not? If you do, stop stareting new threads - it works for me.

Norm

I get your main point and all but consider this other argument. I only recently got interested in this subject. I can't talk about this with my friends irl most of the time because I end having to explain to them who KSM is and its nice to come to a forum where people are aware of all the information and details and crap that come with 911 conspiracies.

I know this stuff had its 15 minutes of fame in 2006 but in 2006 I was all about creationism vs evolution stuff. I knew nothing about 911 CTs. I just knew that South Park and Maddox thought they were stupid.

[AJM8125]

If you are just doing it for **** and giggles, say so

:w2:

[fourtoe]

Also, was this sub-forum created with the assumption that it was gonna eventually be closed? It seems like you're fine with everything about it except for the shooting fish in a barrel thing.

[fromdownunder]

I know this stuff had its 15 minutes of fame in 2006 but in 2006 I was all about creationism vs evolution stuff. I knew nothing about 911 CTs. I just knew that South Park and Maddox thought they were stupid.

I accept that this is a reasonable point, and that people ignorant of the facts will come along and try to re-kindle discusion. New truthers will always come along and produce the "same old", "same old", just as Kennedy conspirasists will. So, perhaps people should wait for them to come along, rather than what is presently happening on this forum.

When new truthers arrive, fine. People can cut and paste responses, or link to the real truth, but why keep on doing on a daily basis something like starting new threads on lousy arguments in the meantime? Pretty much all of which is being done by debunkers right now.

New threads based on surfing the internet, and do a "hey look at this, tet's have a laugh" type thread appear to be the most prevalent at present.

People who know the evidence do not need to start 90% of the threads on this sub-forum. or fall for this sort of stuff and simply post this sort of stuff to ensure the on going existance of a sub-forum. Seriously, do people who are still defending the official 9/11 reports and facts still need some sort of fix?

There is no need for most/all of these threads unless they bring something new to the table. Unless they are being started by people who "want to poke sticks at dead animals", in other words, people who still want their 15 minutes of fame, long after the opposition has failed, utterly, and the sun has set, well as I said, it's over.

When a truther starts a thread and "just asks questions" go for it. Otherwise, I suggest ....meh...

[/soapbox]

Norm

[fromdownunder]

:w2:

Well that's OK with me. I suspected that was the case in the first place.

Norm

[beachnut]

Did the fat lady sing?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Did the fat lady sing?

I was thinking the same thing! :D

[fromdownunder]

Also, was this sub-forum created with the assumption that it was gonna eventually be closed? It seems like you're fine with everything about it except for the shooting fish in a barrel thing.

Not exactly. Most of the fish have been shot. The rest are being baited from others creating threads to deliberately bait rather than debate.

I realise that there is no real debate and that they are all fish in a barrel, I just had a different idea of sceptical discussion (me - let it go until a dipstick shows up, and wants to discuss it) than others do.

9/11 is dead and buried. Why can't sceptics treat it that way, forget about it, and stop hunting up threads and other stuff on a daily basis, so that it can be posted here?

WFTWTC = Wait For The Woos To Come. Then respond.

Norm

[alienentity]

Yes, you have a good point. However, Richard Gage is flying around spreading truther mythology and making false claims; just last week CBC's 'Fifth Estate' program did an hour on the 'Unofficial Story' where they gave a lot of airtime to 9/11 myths.

I can't just sit back and do nothing when I see these charlatans getting their message broadcast. But that's different from attempting to <snicker> 'debate' with someone like Bill Smith. I don't waste time doing that.

[fromdownunder]

Did the fat lady sing?

If true, yes. The fat lady truly sang, and as I said, fine by me.

Norm

[Obviousman]

I'd just like to see a more centralised repository of information that can distribute the effort from a few dedicated people to a few more knowledgeable people.

I can understand the points other people make.

[McHrozni]

When new truthers arrive, fine. People can cut and paste responses, or link to the real truth, but why keep on doing on a daily basis something like starting new threads on lousy arguments in the meantime? Pretty much all of which is being done by debunkers right now.

New threads based on surfing the internet, and do a "hey look at this, tet's have a laugh" type thread appear to be the most prevalent at present.

The primary reason for my involvement (which is admittedly minor) in these things is to have a laugh. Can you explain to me again why I should follow your advice?

McHrozni

[Oliver]

The primary reason for my involvement (which is admittedly minor) in these things is to have a laugh. Can you explain to me again why I should follow your advice?

McHrozni


Well, it was fun in 2006/07 when Truthers were still alive and doing well - in contrast to the occasional living undead showing up in here nowadays.

[McHrozni]

Well, it was fun in 2006/07 when Truthers were still alive and doing well - in contrast to the occasional living undead showing up in here nowadays.

I don't know, I considered the Pf911T reaction to that Flight Recorder data that showed the door wasn't ever opened rather funny. I do agree it was more fun in 2006/7, but it hasn't evaporated yet, not for me anyway. I'm currently in a 'discussion' on a twoofer on Youtube that has gone over 600 posts by now and it is still providing me with some entertainment. It is trying to show Griffin is not lying when he claims that planes going off course are routunely intercepted in 10 minutes over US. Currently the only option it has is to claim Griffin was unaware of this being incorrect, which I find sufficiently funny to continue the pursuit.

I'm a sadist, I know.

McHrozni

[JAStewart]

This section shouldn't die. It is one of the primary places where people come to be de-9/11denierified.

I'm 100% happy for this forum to remain open even if we do only get 1 denier per month.

[Grizzly Bear]

The issue's been discussed before; on this forum 9/11 topics were flooding the general conspiracy section so this forum was made. Topics may be old, but that generally doesn't stop people from discussing them even repeatedly since there's always new people entering the discussion and haven't had the experience of getting tired of a months long debate that goes nowhere...

[Thunder]

as long as there is 9-11 Truth...there will be skeptics and debunkers of 9-11 Truth.

this is the way it must be.

[Stellafane]

I keep coming back for the laughs and to hang with LashL (even if only in a cyber-virtual way). Ain't a lot of other forums out there that can offer better than that.

[T.A.M.]

If it's all over, why keep starting threads on already debunked topics? It seems to me, as somebody who reads the threads here, but rarely posts, that well over 90% of the threads are now started by people who point to an already debunked idea, and just repost the "same old" and citing a link. Then the odd truther joins in and gets dumped upon completely and within hours, just like a school of pirahna waiting for prey.

This is discussion? No, it is baiting the few poor, demented people who still bottom feed from this Board, and like to encourage responses. Or perhaps it is them who are trying to bait you?

Truthers rarely start threads lately, and from what I have read here recently, it is only the bottom of the barrel truthers that are left on JREF, and they are not even worth the effort. And I can almost always tell when a truther has started a thread - if it a new thread today, and there are 30-40 responses, it is most likely a new truther using an old regurgitated argument, or a brand new one repeating the "same old", or coming out with something even more outlandish.

They had their fifteen minutes of fame, which according to many here peaked on 9/11 2006. Perhaps you, as debunkers need to also realise that your 15 minutes of fame is also up, and stop re-creating old stuff just to keep a close to dead topic going. "Come in Number 7, your Time is Up". If you don't start new threads, it might just (mostly) go away. Is that what people who have invested a lot of effort and learned the facts are afraid of?

There will always be truthers - see the Kennedy conspiracy threads that are still alive and well nearly 50 years after the event - but, it's over. If you are just doing it for **** and giggles, say so, and that is fine by me, but it is over, and the (real) truth has already set us free.

Yes, I know that this has been discussed before, but it needs further consideration all the time.

Norm

Here, here.

I personally do not post much any more (although the last week or so, for some reason, my post frequency has gone up here again).

When I do post it is likely in the form of "well that is stupid", or in response to someone else's insanity (such as RedIbis claiming DRG to be the superb researcher).

You are right though, it really is time to simply move on.

TAM:)

[fromdownunder]

The issue's been discussed before; on this forum 9/11 topics were flooding the general conspiracy section so this forum was made. Topics may be old, but that generally doesn't stop people from discussing them even repeatedly since there's always new people entering the discussion and haven't had the experience of getting tired of a months long debate that goes nowhere...

I know it has been discussed before - I mentioned this in my OP - yes my POV is also being discussed repeatedly.

I was asking about motive. Several people have responded that yes, they do simply post here these days for **** and giggles. Perhaps others post and stay just to hang around before the next truther comes along to be decapitated on Page One of his/her thread? (BTW, is it just me, or are they mostly "him" and not "her"). And there is also the social aspect of having fun with like minded people.

I am questioning the motive of starting new threads every day of the week on long debunked arguments, since everybody knows that New Truthers do not research anything, and will certainly not research any new threads devoted to 3-8 year old stuff. They are certainly NOT going to actually read anything, and learn.

They are like moths to a candle.

Norm

[fromdownunder]

I personally do not post much any more (although the last week or so, for some reason, my post frequency has gone up here again).

When I do post it is likely in the form of "well that is stupid", or in response to someone else's insanity (such as RedIbis claiming DRG to be the superb researcher).

You are right though, it really is time to simply move on.

TAM:)

I appreciate your position, since I am in the same boat. I used to post a lot on the Belief in God and Bible Discussion Board on the late lamented IIDB but after several years, it just became the "same old, this is getting boring", and I quit.

I do appreciate the tenacity of people who keep this up year after year..

As a thought experiment, if there were no new debunking threads started here for say, 7 days, how many "new" threads would begin on this forum - I would suggest not very many.

Norm

[Macgyver1968]

If we didn't have this sub-forum...how would I get regular reassurances that there are people out there that are alot more f-ed up than me? :)

[D Dub]

I lurk this forum for the lulz. Instead of complaining about the usefulness of the forum and threads being started, log off and move on yourself.

there needs to be active forums that are the opposite of sites like ats...

[Grizzly Bear]

I appreciate your position, since I am in the same boat. I used to post a lot on the Belief in God and Bible Discussion Board on the late lamented IIDB but after several years, it just became the "same old, this is getting boring", and I quit.

I do appreciate the tenacity of people who keep this up year after year..

As a thought experiment, if there were no new debunking threads started here for say, 7 days, how many "new" threads would begin on this forum - I would suggest not very many.

Norm

Just like everybody else I'm eventually going to get tired of dealing with the nonsense. It's another one of my side things that I get interested in for a while and then go. I agree with you, but there's always going to be somebody who's new to this and who's going to want to speak up on it. I don't think much is going to change that. Some people here have discussed this stuff for three or four years before growing exhausted talking to obvious hard heads, and I'm personally no different. It gets boring once you've gotten used to the repetitive arguments to the point that you can not only predict what they'll argue but also that no measure of dumbing the complexity down will work...

[T.A.M.]

I think that as we get new members, which we seem to always do, they bring in at least fresh enthusiasm. I have drifted off from addressing the CTs, because as has been said, it has been done TO DEATH.

I go through phases, like most here. A month or so ago, I was not posting here at all for days, weeks at a time...nothing to say, nothing new popping up on the boards, and to be honest, no fresh truther meat to show the err of their ways.

Sad, but true.

TAM:)

[Grizzly Bear]

More like when you're new to the topic you don't really grasp the depth to which CT's tend to imbed themselves into how people think. It's sort of like politics; no matter what you say to some people you can't always pursuade them to agree with you on some issues. Except with conspiracy theories like these it's worse since the issues are centralized around facts (in this case things which are often physically documented) rather than political ideology or philosophy.

[fromdownunder]

I lurk this forum for the lulz. Instead of complaining about the usefulness of the forum and threads being started, log off and move on yourself.

there needs to be active forums that are the opposite of sites like ats...


Have I been complaining? No, I'm just asking questions. :D

And having a bit of fun as well.

Norm

[twinstead]

Will the last one to leave the debate please turn off the lights?

[rjh01]

No 9/11 conspiracy is not dead. Not until people stop posting in abovetopsecret http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/118/pg1/srtpages. That sub forum is almost as popular as JREF 9/11 sub forum..

[Brattus]

No 9/11 conspiracy is not dead. Not until people stop posting in abovetopsecret http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/118/pg1/srtpages. That sub forum is almost as popular as JREF 9/11 sub forum..
Well then that site must not have very many people involved in it either.
The OP is 100% correct!
What I see here now is a couple of never say die's starting a thread about "Hey everyone check this out! Twoofers don't believe the official story!"
Hell not too long ago I seen one of those regulars posting his 9/11 twoofer Xmas poems.
I knew then that the need for this sub-forum was no more.
Back in 06 the need for this sub-forum was strong indeed, but last time I checked it was going on 2010.
If the never say die's just stopped posting in here altogether, then the few new twoofers that stumbled in here could post their nonsense in the regular CT forum.
9/11 CT has completely gone the way of the Elvis faked death CT and simply no longer warrants a separate sub-forum.

[dropzone]

I appreciate those threads because I've known people like Truthers forever and this lets me keep in touch with them without actually talking to them or revealing my real email address. ;)

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

There's only one way for the conspiracies not to exist, its with the trial of KSM. Those idiots been wanting a new investigation, they got it through KSM.

[jhunter1163]

I predict that there'll be an upsurge in Twooferism in conjunction with the upsurge in media attention around the 10th anniversary. Maybe they'll even come up with a coherent narrative, but that might be overly optimistic. After that, the level of attention Twoofers get will fall back to near nil, and Dylan Avery and Richard Gage will have to get real jobs.

[MikeW]

I predict that there'll be an upsurge in Twooferism in conjunction with the upsurge in media attention around the 10th anniversary.
Makes sense. They'll also get to cherry-pick any coverage of the KSM trial and appeals, though, which may go beyond 2011. There might then be the release of trial exhibits after that. And let's not forget NARA opening up their Bush era documents, circa 2013/2014 I guess. It'll all give truthers plenty of material for new deceptions.

[bill smith]

Makes sense. They'll also get to cherry-pick any coverage of the KSM trial and appeals, though, which may go beyond 2011. There might then be the release of trial exhibits after that. And let's not forget NARA opening up their Bush era documents, circa 2013/2014 I guess. It'll all give truthers plenty of material for new deceptions.

It's gratifying to observe that you do understand that we of the Movement for Truth are in this for the long haul. Contrary to the OP we will not be moving on anytime soon.

[AJM8125]

It's gratifying to observe that you do understand that we of the Movement for Truth are in this for the long haul. Contrary to the OP we will not be moving on anytime soon.

Will you be moving anywhere anytime soon?

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

It's gratifying to observe that you do understand that we of the Movement for Truth are in this for the long haul. Contrary to the OP we will not be moving on anytime soon.

keIvA2wSPZc

A rock is very intelligent though, you call it a Truther, it won't say anything.

"Twenty years now
Where'd they go?
Twenty years
I don't know
Sit and I wonder sometimes
Where they've gone"

Twenty years later, the Truthers will sit & wonder why they got spoon fed lies from the TM. They'll wonder why everyone left the TM!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It's gratifying to observe that you do understand that we of the Movement for Truth are in this for the long haul.

We understand that:
You are all pathological liars
The average lifespan in the US is approximately 78 years

Dylan Avery and his deserter friend Korey will not likely expire until about 2060. You vermin will keep spewing filth out your collective cakeholes for decades.

[fromdownunder]

It's gratifying to observe that you do understand that we of the Movement for Truth are in this for the long haul. Contrary to the OP we will not be moving on anytime soon.

Well, I think this particular response to my OP is evidence that there is nothing left for truthers, and nothing left to discuss.

Pointless one line responses is the best they can do?

Norm.

[gumboot]

I honestly don't understand these sorts of threads. Anyone is free to post what they want, read what they want, and ignore what they want. I decided a long time ago there was nothing meaningful happening here anymore, and now only very rarely post. I don't read many of the threads, or have any interest in them.

If you're not interested in the threads, don't read them. But why are you complaining about people who are interested in the threads and are contributing to them?

Of course, you're also free to have a thread where you complain about it, and people are free to contribute or ignore that discussion also.

Maybe I should start a thread complaining about people who start threads complaining about people starting threads...?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Why stop at a thread? Go for a whole subforum. ;)

[Brattus]

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A rock is very intelligent though, you call it a Truther, it won't say anything.

"Twenty years now
Where'd they go?
Twenty years
I don't know
Sit and I wonder sometimes
Where they've gone"

Twenty years later, the Truthers will sit & wonder why they got spoon fed lies from the TM. They'll wonder why everyone left the TM!

So this is it then? Bill Smith and junk post like this?
Bill Smith isn't even a real twoofer.
If everyone on this sub-forum suddenly decided it was a super nano thermite CD after all then ol' Bill would jump on the other side and start posting as to why it was just the planes.

He/She/It is a simple troll so what your left with is shut ins posting 70's song lyrics and Xmas poems and rewording them to fit 9/11.

As the OP states you never say dies need a new drug.

[rjh01]

The loose change forums are all but dead. Not many threads started last two months. Most threads are very short.

I wonder how much of the demise of the 9/11 movement is due to JREF forum (including its members) and how much due to the stupidity?

[AJM8125]

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=1996

[TheDaver]

The last 9/11 Truth forum I joined had a total of two members, including me.

My city’s 9/11 Truth group’s blog has maybe four… no, make that three now that they’ve banned me. They don’t talk a whole heck of a lot about 9/11 Truth, though. Too busy chasing every other lame conspiracy fantasy they can find. Antivax… NWO… Freeman On The Land… organic food… you name it, they buy it.
I don’t think they’ve done any “street action” in months.
Their current hero is Splitting The Sky, an American Mohawk with fantasies about performing a citizen’s arrest on Bush in Canada.

[Homemade psycho]

WE HAVE TRUTHERS IN MTL???

I need to see this.....

[jaydeehess]

It's gratifying to observe that you do understand that we of the Movement for Truth are in this for the long haul. Contrary to the OP we will not be moving on anytime soon.

Will you be doing anything in the short , or long, haul?

I still have no answer as to what any of you are doing for the man many of you have long claimed is innocent of the charges against him, KSM.

[TheDaver]

WE HAVE TRUTHERS IN MTL???

I need to see this.....
Yup… http://www.mtl911truth.org/

We also have The Truther Girls (http://www.youtube.com/user/thetruthergirls).

[popscythe]

the only people on my ignore list are truthers people I don't agree with.

Censorship of ideas one doesn't agree with is a far greater evil than having a stupid idea.

Just food for thought.

[dudalb]

The last 9/11 Truth forum I joined had a total of two members, including me.

My city’s 9/11 Truth group’s blog has maybe four… no, make that three now that they’ve banned me. They don’t talk a whole heck of a lot about 9/11 Truth, though. Too busy chasing every other lame conspiracy fantasy they can find. Antivax… NWO… Freeman On The Land… organic food… you name it, they buy it.
I don’t think they’ve done any “street action” in months.
Their current hero is Splitting The Sky, an American Mohawk with fantasies about performing a citizen’s arrest on Bush in Canada.


And I would bet money that Splitting the Sky 's Mohawk credentials are phony.

[T.A.M.]

Censorship of ideas one doesn't agree with is a far greater evil than having a stupid idea.

Just food for thought.

There is nothing evil about having a stupid idea, but some stupid ideas are also evil.

Some ideas are also so evil, that I would have no problem Censoring them. Genocide, for instance.

TAM:)

[tyr_13]

Censorship of ideas one doesn't agree with is a far greater evil than having a stupid idea.

Just food for thought.

The ignore function is censorship? Wow. I learn something new every day.

[Scott Sommers]

No, no...911 Truth is the most devisive issue in America. It's growing everyday. There are thousands of concerned professional, lawyers, firefighters, and most of all architects and engineers willing to risk their jobs and lives to bring the Truth to the people. There are groups everywhere marching in the streets. It's only through their strong discipline and commitement to justice that this issue hasn't lead to violence.

No my friend 911 Truth is not over. Rather, it is just beginning.

[triforcharity]

Censorship of ideas one doesn't agree with is a far greater evil than having a stupid idea.

Just food for thought.

Nah, I disagree. He is IGNORING them, not STOPPING THEM from posting.

Some of the cockamami ideas that truthers spew are funny. Some are downright disgusting. I have a few truthers on ignore myself. Mainly the ones who spew BS about how there were no victims on 9/11. Those guys I ignore.

[Thunder]

No my friend 911 Truth is not over. Rather, it is just beginning.

:D:D:D:D:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

"There are groups everywhere marching in the streets"

good one.