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NullPointerException
3rd January 2004, 07:07 PM
Would autonomic conditioning qualify for the JREF challenge? Say if I could turn off portions of my nervous system or regulate body temperature and heart rate.

The Central Scrutinizer
3rd January 2004, 07:48 PM
How would the "turning off" of part of ones central nervous system manifest itself outwardly?

NullPointerException
4th January 2004, 09:53 AM
I would guess by using a polygraph.

The Central Scrutinizer
4th January 2004, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by NullPointerException
I would guess by using a polygraph.

WTF????

NullPointerException
4th January 2004, 02:21 PM
Yeah, you think about it for a while. =)

TruthSeeker
4th January 2004, 03:01 PM
Like biofeedback? Nothing supernatural about that.

NullPointerException
4th January 2004, 06:35 PM
except it was disproven already... thanks.

TruthSeeker
4th January 2004, 07:59 PM
Are you purposely trying not to make sense? What are you talking about?

The Central Scrutinizer
4th January 2004, 08:24 PM
I feel a lot more like I do now than I did before I got here.

NullPointerException
6th January 2004, 01:21 PM
autonomic conditioning is supposedly an extension of other forms of behaviorial conditioning that applies the phyiscal parts of the human body. Several experiments were conducted to prove it existed and only one was positive. OF course that study was never succesfully replicated. So if I could regulate on demand my physical body functions that would be paranormal, because normal people cannot replicate it. For instance, raising my body temperature on demand to 99 degrees fahrenheit or lowering my heart rate to sleeping rate without entering a sleepstate.

Rolfe
6th January 2004, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by NullPointerException
lowering my heart rate to sleeping rate without entering a sleepstate. Hey, James Bond can do that! :D

Did you hear about the man who could regulate his own heart rate?
He had a nerve!

Rolfe.

(This is the only joke I ever made up myself. Please laugh.)

Chad Noles
6th January 2004, 04:57 PM
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
I feel a lot more like I do now than I did before I got here.

"I feel a lot more like I do than I did before I got here,now I feel like a beer";)

roger
6th January 2004, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Rolfe
Did you hear about the man who could regulate his own heart rate?
He had a nerve!It's so incredibly bad that it's actually good! :D

NullPointerException
7th January 2004, 05:34 AM
I guess thats a no?

Aster
8th January 2004, 03:36 AM
For instance, raising my body temperature on demand to 99 degrees fahrenheit or lowering my heart rate to sleeping rate without entering a sleepstate.

Sleep and control of body temperature are intertwined. I am interested to learn what method you use in order to achieve these objectives and if the results you get are progressive. What are your records ?

GABA (http://www.med.harvard.edu/publications/On_The_Brain/Volume4/Number4/Sleep.html)

Rgds.,
Aster.

thatguywhojuggles
8th January 2004, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by NullPointerException
... So if I could regulate on demand my physical body functions that would be paranormal, because normal people cannot replicate it. ...

I can juggle three balls with my eyes closed. Normal people cannot. Does that give me supernatural powers?

No--it just means I'm a damn good juggler! :D

NullPointerException
9th January 2004, 06:06 AM
Sleep and control of body temperature are intertwined. I am interested to learn what method you use in order to achieve these objectives and if the results you get are progressive. What are your records?

I haven't conducted my own study on this yet, I'm currently devising a simple experiment to see how controlled such changes are, how quickly they are induced, if they can be induced outside of a specific state, if they can increase response delay and magnitude, and what the mechanism through which it occurs is. I just wanted to know if it would qualify for the JREF prize if it actually represented a human being exerting control over autonomic bodily functions. I was thinking they would refuse to test such a case since lowering your heart rate is hazardous to your health and hard to test(they would have to buy at least a 5 dollar stethoscope and hire a registered nurse for 30 minutes)

I can juggle three balls with my eyes closed. Normal people cannot. Does that give me supernatural powers?

Maybe, if you did it with your mind! *WANANAH*

No--it just means I'm a damn good juggler!

Maybe you are, but your act would not be considered paranormal because the entire scientific community wouldn't be sitting there going, oh wow thats amazing, oh wow how did he do that. Since autonomic conditioning is considered improbable and has been disproved as a conditioning method after thorough testing it would definately defy explanation the first time someone did it.

from dictionary.com we have Paranormal-
Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation:

NullPointerException
16th January 2004, 10:45 PM
Bump, this was serious question folks, I want my million dollars if it is allowed.

thaiboxerken
17th January 2004, 04:47 PM
Then either e-mail Mr Randi or send in the notorized application.

:rolleyes:

NullPointerException
17th January 2004, 05:00 PM
What is this email you speak of?

thaiboxerken
17th January 2004, 05:09 PM
randi@randi.org <-- James Randi's e-mail address. For a guy that really thinks he has a shot at a million dollars, you really aren't working for it.

NullPointerException
17th January 2004, 06:23 PM
I didn't say I'd take the test if I qualified =)