Debunker Conspiracies!?

[Alan]

Algebra was claiming that there are 9/11 conspiracies that debunkers cook up, to use as strawmen (?).

I think that this would make an interesting thread, for various people to use. What do you think these "fake conspiracies" are? What evidence do you have for them being made by debunkers? And so on.

[UNLoVedRebel]

I think that this would make an interesting thread, for various people to use. I don't.

[triforcharity]

I see this in AAH as a "callout thread".

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I've got a bad feeling about this!

[Alan]

I think that it is relevant because it is a conspiracy theory related to 9/11 conspiracies. It was off-topic in the other thread.

[Unsecured Coins]

It does have merit though. I have been accused of making up conspiracies (alebit for humor only) but this thread does pique my interest into a truther's prospective into the basis of how some of their theories got started

[triforcharity]

Shill!!! :D

[Unsecured Coins]

Shill!!! :D

Disinfo!!!!:D

[UNLoVedRebel]

It does have merit though. I have been accused of making up conspiracies (alebit for humor only) but this thread does pique my interest into a truther's prospective into the basis of how some of their theories got started

If truthers were actually interested in discussing these ideas and fleshing-out their arguments, you might have a point. But as we all know, they're not. They're looking for troll food, just like this thread.

[Thunder]

i think threads like this, suggest we may be reaching a turning point with truthers.

it may mean, there really ain't nuthin more to talk about with them.

[Unsecured Coins]

If truthers were actually interested in discussing these ideas and fleshing-out their arguments, you might have a point. But as we all know, they're not. They're looking for troll food, just like this thread.

this also has merit.

Mods, please delete this thread, the one right below it, the next three that will be started in place of this, and.. well... screw it. Alt+F4 the entire interwebs.

[Childlike Empress]

It does have merit though. I have been accused of making up conspiracies (alebit for humor only) but this thread does pique my interest into a truther's prospective into the basis of how some of their theories got started


I've read on the internet - and i know that you've read it too -, that you are closely associated with "Killtown's girlfriend", a certain Jennifer W. I have read two different sources even speculating that you are "Killtown".

Any idea how that one got started?

[Alan]

Could you please present a source?

[AJM8125]

I've read on the internet - and i know that you've read it too -, that you are closely associated with "Killtown's girlfriend", a certain Jennifer W. I have read two different sources even speculating that you are "Killtown".

Any idea how that one got started?

I am Spartacus.

[Unsecured Coins]

I've read on the internet - and i know that you've read it too -, that you are closely associated with "Killtown's girlfriend", a certain Jennifer W. I have read two different sources even speculating that you are "Killtown".

Any idea how that one got started?

Yeap. jennifer W. We talk, we play farmville, exchange bundtcake recipies and generally we enjoy civil conversation. As far as me being Killtown, heard that one too, most notably by Scott "I'm ranting in my car" Vincent. He seems to think that everyone who is against him is Killtown.

[Childlike Empress]

Aha, and it is true that Jennifer is Killtown's girlfriend?

[tyr_13]

I came up with one once. The theory was inspired by the 'backup, backup' theory advocated by someone with a certain assassinated US president's name as a screen name that says that the government just let KSM believe he came up with and implemented the 9/11 attacks so that the people who run the government, the arms and oil industries, could make money off the resulting war(s).

My theory, which has the same amount of evidence as the above one, is that a group of Truthers learned about KSM's plan, and encouraged it. They laid out ways to sabotage documents in order to support the terrorists, and bring up 'questions' that they can later then tie back to the government, the arms industry, and the oil industry (they gave up trying to tie it to the Jews). This would let them attack those groups, and be hailed as heroes. The problem is that, being ignorant, scientifically illiterate paranoids, they didn't tie the attacks to these groups very well. So they let, and in fact aided the 9/11 attacks, but failed to gain anything from it other than the hate of the vast majority of people.

Again, it has just as much evidence as the first theory. Of course I don't advocate my theory, but just use it to point out the faulty reasoning of 'they profited, therefore they did' idiocy.

[Unsecured Coins]

Aha, and it is true that Jennifer is Killtown's girlfriend?

With all seriousness, I have no idea, nor do I care. I've never asked because... well, it's not really my business.

[Childlike Empress]

You never asked here even after you've read the rumours on the net?

You make videos debunking the VicSim report while hanging out with a girl who claims to be a truther, and said to be the girlfriend of the infamous truther guy who ran the forum where the VicSim report was published in the first place?

And it isn't your business? You are pulling my leg, aren't you?

[triforcharity]

this also has merit.

Mods, please delete this thread, the one right below it, the next three that will be started in place of this, and.. well... screw it. Alt+F4 the entire interwebs.

SHHHHHH!!! That is the ENTIRE goal of the NWO!! DAMN YOU!!! :D

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Since this is a "Debunker Conspiracy" thread let me make some wild theories about myself:

I was the second gunman on the Grassy Knoll. I was the one with the model rocket, of the Saturn 5 rocket, & faked the moon landings. No AJM, I'm Spartacus! LOL! I'm the one that sank the Titanic with an ice cube. I'm the one that spiked the punch. I'm the one that crashed your parties. I'm the one that blew up the Death Star!

I think I'm done ranting about myself! :D

[TexasJack]

I love the truther mindset. Now, all truther conspiracies are stupid, but if they think that one is more stupid than theirs, they are disinfo. It's hilarious.

[JoeyDonuts]

SHHHHHH!!! That is the ENTIRE goal of the NWO!! DAMN YOU!!! :D

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9683/evilmonkeyfamilyguy.jpg

ILLUMINATUS!!!

[Unsecured Coins]

You never asked here even after you've read the rumours on the net?
No, because it's not relevant to why I'm friends with her in the first place.


You make videos debunking the VicSim report while hanging out with a girl who claims to be a truther, and said to be the girlfriend of the infamous truther guy who ran the forum where the VicSim report was published in the first place?
Explain the relevance to why I should ask her who's she's dating again to me... I must have missed that part


And it isn't your business? You are pulling my leg, aren't you?

No, I'm not. It IS possible who have nothing in common to start with to *gasp* suddenly become friendly, regardless of what she thinks, feels, believes in, or associates with. You should understand the type of person -I- am before you start getting your superman underroos in a bunch over who I chose to befriend.

[AJM8125]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9683/evilmonkeyfamilyguy.jpg

ILLUMINATUS!!!

Wow. That actually startled me. Or was it my chip receiving this weeks instructions.. either way.

[Childlike Empress]

No, I'm not. It IS possible who have nothing in common to start with to *gasp* suddenly become friendly, regardless of what she thinks, feels, believes in, or associates with. You should understand the type of person -I- am before you start getting your superman underroos in a bunch over who I chose to befriend.


Well, of course this is none of my business and thanks for the answers. Let's go back to the sources of the CT - that guy Scott Vincent you mentioned is "genghis6199" on the net, right? A truther and ex no-planer. One of the stalking victims of Killtown's honey pot forum. Why are you "against him", as you said?

[Unsecured Coins]

Well, of course this is none of my business and thanks for the answers. Let's go back to the sources of the CT - that guy Scott Vincent you mentioned is "genghis6199" on the net, right? A truther and ex no-planer. One of the stalking victims of Killtown's honey pot forum. Why are you "against him", as you said?

It has something to do with my association with Jennifer. He apparently tried to get his grove on and she rebuffed him. Not my fault. But simply because I was talking to her, he decided to sling accusations at me. So after hearing about some of the stunts he pulled trying to get information about Jennifer (up to and including posing as a private investigator and contacting her boss) I made the Genghis Guide to Winning Women Over.

He kind of lost his mind over that.

Point being, he's the one with the hard on for me. I could give a damn what he says about me, or what he posts about me on his secret archive blog. I mean, you'd have to get microscopic to notice the level of "I don't care" when it comes to what he thinks about me. That doesn't stop him from trying to contact me over youtube with one of his many accounts every 3-4 months. He's the one with the obsession. not me.

[Brattus]

What exactly is thiis thread about again?
This sub forums day has come and gone for sure.

[Alan]

Some truthers think that some conspiracy theories were made up by debunkers, just to make truthers look ridiculous.

This thread is about that.

[twinstead]

If ridiculous theories about 911 were actually debunkers creating them as straw men to make truthers look like idiots, then just about every truther currently on this forum is actually a debunker in disguise.

just sayin'

[JAStewart]

All the conspiracy websites are run by the government.

What better way to convince everyone you have supreme power.

[McHrozni]

If ridiculous theories about 911 were actually debunkers creating them as straw men to make truthers look like idiots, then just about every truther anywhere is actually a debunker in disguise.

just sayin'

Fixed it for you.

McHrozni

[Oliver]

I've read on the internet - and i know that you've read it too -, that you are closely associated with "Killtown's girlfriend", a certain Jennifer W. I have read two different sources even speculating that you are "Killtown".

Any idea how that one got started?


Oh boy, this is huuuuge! :D :p
Here's more conspiracy stuff regarding Killtown and his Debunker-connections: :D

Pat ****** of Screw Loose Change: you read that right. Pat has propagated the wq2rx videos in the past. Keep in mind this is the man who builds his reputation on knowing all the dirt on the "twoofers". Recently, after Jon Gold debated him in good faith, Pat's closing arguments were to smear Gold by equating Gold's position with Killtown's. The irony is Pat ****** probably knows who Killtown is because a good debunker friend of his is good friends with Killtown's girlfriend. And this was true all during the time Ozzy's wq2rx videos were being spread by many parties including Screw Loose Change. To heighten Pat hypocrisy he was sniffing around Truth Action chat fishing for information on Dog4tree. Which he probably already knew. Rosalee Grable admitted it herself at Killtown's forum: Webfairy is Dog4tree.

Source: http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2009/02/lying-with-dogs-at-waterloo.html

[twinstead]

The plot coagulates...

[Oliver]

And who the heck is this Craig who supposedly is Killtown? :confused: :

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm442/Jenny_Sparks/sparksvslurker-1.gif

[Oliver]

@Unsecured Coins: Is this Jenny right next to the alleged Killtown? :
http://bp2.blogger.com/_8RDJEjOPTJY/SGmkYPDXMKI/AAAAAAAAAyk/4dIDxsGPhZw/s1600-h/themoney_2.JPG

[Oliver]

@Childlike: Jenny W. is Jenny Wy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXLcV9Y5Cx4)...?


Also, who is that guy: "OZZYBINOSWALD"???

[Edx]

disinfo!!!!:d


cointelpro!!!

[Mancman]

What exactly is thiis thread about again?
This sub forums day has come and gone for sure.

Absolutely agreed.

[Edx]

No way I love this forum and if they got rid of it where would all the posts go? It should stay unless they really are stuck for server space in which case I'm sure asking for donations from this sections users wouldnt be out of the question.

[Unsecured Coins]

@Unsecured Coins: Is this Jenny right next to the alleged Killtown? :
http://bp2.blogger.com/_8RDJEjOPTJY/SGmkYPDXMKI/AAAAAAAAAyk/4dIDxsGPhZw/s1600-h/themoney_2.JPG

yeah, and honestly, i wish people would just leave her alone. God damn, no means no, people. You (not you Oliver) want to stalk someone, go after me. Don't go after a single mom who just wants to be left alone. She said she didn't want to go out with you. Accept this. Move on.

[Oliver]

yeah, and honestly, i wish people would just leave her alone. God damn, no means no, people. You (not you Oliver) want to stalk someone, go after me. Don't go after a single mom who just wants to be left alone. She said she didn't want to go out with you. Accept this. Move on.


Honestly, I don't care about Jennifer, I'm more interested to know if the guy next to her is Killtown. :boxedin:

[Unsecured Coins]

and as I said earlier, I do not know because I do not care.

[Slayhamlet]

WTF is this crap? Are we in high school?

[Unsecured Coins]

3rd grade, actually

[tyr_13]

I say we figure out some creative debunker conspiracies using the same logic as CTers. How can we blame the Fanta girls for 9/11?

[JoeyDonuts]

Easy.

9/11 was not an act of international terrorism. It was the worst air-travel accident in the history of mankind. You see, the pilots of all four aircraft by sheer chance had seen their first Fanta Girls commercial the previous night in the hotel. The actual cockpit voice recordings of all four aircraft contain the repeated phrase "Don't-u-want-a-want-a-Fanta?" This phrase has such hypnotic power that the pilots of all four aircraft were completely lost in a dancing and singing-crazed fervor. Enough so that they lost track of their surroundings, deactivated the transponders by bumping it with their asses, and eventually slammed into landmarks.

When the powerful soft-drink-military-complex got wind of this, the 'official story' as we know it was cooked up by the same marketing team that developed Crystal Pepsi. (If we use simple numeric substitution, Coca-Cola = 3 15 3 1 3 15 12 1. If you add all the 3's together and subtract the two 15's and the 12, what are you left with?!?!? This proves they control everything, including the supposed competition with PepsiCo!!! Besides, C. Bradham, the supposed 'founder of PepsiCo' was a Master Mason of the OTO, Sacred Worshipful Master of the Order of Moloch/SATAN!!!) Calls were placed, favors were called in, and when the Coca-Cola Company comes a'knockin, you don't say no.

*REALITY CHECK*

Interestingly enough, according to wiki, the Fanta brand had its origin in Nazi Germany. The head of Coca-Cola's bottling operation at the time, Max Keith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Keith), was not a Nazi, however.

In addition, the "Fantanas" marketing campaign wasn't introduced until 2002.

[Sam.I.Am]

Before they became the Fanta Girls in 2002 "Strawberry" and "Grape" were seen in a Daytona Florida strip club (The Pink Pony), the very same strip club that the hijackers were known to frequent. In a very suspicious and ominous coincidence "Grapes" license plate number had a nine and two ones in it and "Strawberrys" favorite G string was red, white and blue, the same colors as used by American Airlines. Meanwhile, "Orange" was learning how to fly in Fairfield, New Jersey and her instructor was the same guy who allowed Hanjour to fly near Washington DC in a practic run for his "Attack" on the pentagon. Finally, "Pineapple", who looks like she might be a secret Muslim or something, took on her "Name" to help hide her secret religion because everyone knows how well pineapple goes along with ham and as we all know a muslim would never do that. She lived less than 2 miles from where the "Dancing Jews" were seen on 9/11.

Coincidences? I think not...

[UNLoVedRebel]

Looks like I'll have to get to the bottom of those Fanta girls. In order to know the full story, I will be probing them.

[JoeyDonuts]

The "Pineapple" Fantana is the co-host of Overhaulin' on TLC.

[AJM8125]

A little known fact is that yours truly was considered for the role of Potato Fanta but was rejected for my enthusiasm. It's true.

Potato Fanta Audition, Take 1. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU)

[fourtoe]

WTF is this crap? Are we in high school?

I was about to say...how old are these ppl? Killtown said he was in his 30s.

...30s?

[TheDaver]

Any dumb conspiracy theory is “a debunker strawman” if the debunker is ths first to bring it up in a particular discussion – even when it’s one the truther’s been caught using.

[Childlike Empress]

Also, who is that guy: "OZZYBINOSWALD"???


He is one of the gang of anonymous accounts surrounding Killtown and Shack/hoipolloi. He's the one who has his name to the most ridiculous of the WQ2RX stalking videos. That guy genghis is one of several people who signed up at Killtown's forum as convinced disciples of "September Clues", started to ask questions and found his personal details given to people who digged up further information like pictures of him and produced extremely creepy "Video Mash-Ups" with it, combined with very serious and completely made up allegations. That started at least in early 2008. He had whole YouTube channels devoted to him. A lot of that stuff is by now deleted by YouTube, but here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pv6FVp4kk) is one example of such a video from mid march 2008.

I found Unsecured Coins' video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QegnaRIFBfo) - it's from April 1st 2008. Obviously the two videos were made by different people. But interestingly enough, just a week ago a "OzzybanOswald" commented on it: "Genghis is a rapist."

Leaves me with the question: Why did Genghis think that Unsecured Coins' platonic friend Jennifer has anything to do with "Killtown" in the first place?

[Childlike Empress]

Interesting read just in: ex Killtown fan speaks out (http://killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com/2009/12/ex-killtown-fan-speaks-out.html)

Now that I had began getting my mind back, I began reassessing everything NPT had offered. I wanted to know... did the gurus know that NPT was a scam or were they just wrong yet innocent. I had made friends with a lot of them... or at least a lot of different sock puppets. I figured the best thing to do was not be harsh and accuse people of deception. I still wanted to be friends with these people but I wanted to help them. I decided to go after the HOLY GRAIL of NPT. SEPTEMBER CLUES. Simon Shack was definitely one of them at the top level, maybe only second to Killtown. Killtown did the most "activism" in that he had a forum, a dedicated website, and would be guest on internet radio shows. Killtown also made videos... but not September Clues. AND September Clues was the NPT gateway. I then began to watch September Clues with an unbiased mind. I still wanted to believe people like Simon Shack and Killtown were good people who had just innocently made some judgment errors. I didnt remain unbiased long. September Clues, once disassembled and watched frame by frame and word for word showed intentional chicanery. Simon Shack was not just mistaken about NPT, he was inventing it. He wasnt alone. Others like Killtown, Ozzybinoswald, and CNN911FAKES were too. Ozzy was really out of his mind... the Pandoras box had gotten out of control. He was inventing people and spying on real people. Things were way out of control and I could see it all.

[Unsecured Coins]

I found Unsecured Coins' video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QegnaRIFBfo) - it's from April 1st 2008. Obviously the two videos were made by different people. But interestingly enough, just a week ago a "OzzybanOswald" commented on it: "Genghis is a rapist."
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll have that comment removed.



Leaves me with the question: Why did Genghis think that Unsecured Coins' platonic friend Jennifer has anything to do with "Killtown" in the first place?

because she hasn't made it a secret that she associates with him. She openly admits it.

[Gawdzilla]

Algebra was claiming that there are 9/11 conspiracies that debunkers cook up, to use as strawmen (?).

I think that this would make an interesting thread, for various people to use. What do you think these "fake conspiracies" are? What evidence do you have for them being made by debunkers? And so on.

I think somebody is trying to divide by zero here.

[Childlike Empress]

because she hasn't made it a secret that she associates with him. She openly admits it.


How do you know? I thought you didn't ask/care?

[Unsecured Coins]

How do you know? I thought you didn't ask/care?

she has told me numerous times that she knows him. I just don't know who he is because I don't care enough to ask. That clear anything up?

[Childlike Empress]

Ah, yes, sorry for the misunderstanding. You just didn't ask if she is his girlfriend. I understand.

And were you ever with Jennifer when she phoned/mailed/chatted with him? Or does she care to completely seperate him and you?

[Unsecured Coins]

Ah, yes, sorry for the misunderstanding. You just didn't ask if she is his girlfriend. I understand.
It happens.

And did you ever were with Jennifer when she phoned/mailed/chatted with him? Or does she care to completely seperate him and you?

No, I've never been with her when she's communicated with him. I don't know if she seperates us, and it wouldn't bother me if she did. I'm fairly certain she doesn't bring me up to 99.9% of the people she hangs out with, anyway. It's not that big of a deal to me

[Macgyver1968]

Does anyone know if Suzy Shanskey from 3 period English likes me? You know..."likes" like me? If so would you give her this note in study hall? :)

[Unsecured Coins]

No, but I do have this note from Suzy's lawyer saying you have to stay 500 yards away from her at all times that he wanted me to give you

[ElMondoHummus]

No, but I do have this note from Suzy's lawyer saying you have to stay 500 yards away from her at all times that he wanted me to give you

It's scribbled in crayon and has three typos. I think you wrote it, man. :p:D;)





:D Either that, or her lawyer's really, really cheap.

[Unsecured Coins]

It's scribbled in crayon and has three typos. I think you wrote it, man. :p:D;)





:D Either that, or her lawyer's really, really cheap.

pffft. If I wrote it that note would have more than 3 typos and at least 15 obscenities.

[Oliver]

He is one of the gang of anonymous accounts surrounding Killtown and Shack/hoipolloi. He's the one who has his name to the most ridiculous of the WQ2RX stalking videos. That guy genghis is one of several people who signed up at Killtown's forum as convinced disciples of "September Clues", started to ask questions and found his personal details given to people who digged up further information like pictures of him and produced extremely creepy "Video Mash-Ups" with it, combined with very serious and completely made up allegations. That started at least in early 2008. He had whole YouTube channels devoted to him. A lot of that stuff is by now deleted by YouTube, but here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03pv6FVp4kk) is one example of such a video from mid march 2008.

I found Unsecured Coins' video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QegnaRIFBfo) - it's from April 1st 2008. Obviously the two videos were made by different people. But interestingly enough, just a week ago a "OzzybanOswald" commented on it: "Genghis is a rapist."

Leaves me with the question: Why did Genghis think that Unsecured Coins' platonic friend Jennifer has anything to do with "Killtown" in the first place?


Well, I sense a huge conspiracy here, but seriously: I really would like to see Killtown exposed, so I don't get it whenever people are trying to protect that coward who does "expose" 9/11 victims himself. :mad:

Interesting read just in: ex Killtown fan speaks out (http://killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com/2009/12/ex-killtown-fan-speaks-out.html)


Interesting, indeed - after reading that article last week. However, I have no Idea if Killtown's first name actually is Craig, or if the story is true given the agenda of killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com... :"/

[Childlike Empress]

Interesting, indeed - after reading that article last week. However, I have no Idea if Killtown's first name actually is Craig, or if the story is true given the agenda of killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com... :"/


I don't know eighter, but that particular story sounds very plausible, just like what the other ex Shack disciples tell on their forums. I linked to KSA because i wanted a reaction to this thread. These people love their log files. Here (http://killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com/2009/12/unsecured-lulz.html) it is.

[twinstead]

Wow

[Unsecured Coins]

yep, right on time with that idiot and his blog. Hey Genghis, before your next 10 minute rant on youtube where you deny runnig that blog, the next time you send me a message to my account.. try not to spell words like you do when you're blogging about me.

Put that on the main page, please.

[Oliver]

I don't know eighter, but that particular story sounds very plausible, just like what the other ex Shack disciples tell on their forums. I linked to KSA because i wanted a reaction to this thread. These people love their log files. Here (http://killtownsecretarchive.blogspot.com/2009/12/unsecured-lulz.html) it is.


*lol* That's some funny **** right there :D, even if I really have a hard time to decipher Ghengis Blog entries.

[Oliver]

I linked to KSA because i wanted a reaction to this thread.


Also, what does "I linked to KSA" mean? Did you contact him personally?

[Childlike Empress]

It means that they could see the traffic in their log files that was generated by people clicking on my link - with referer to JREF. That's how it works on the internet.

And i think you're jumping to conclusions here. If Genghis thinks that UC is Killtown, he hasn't written that blog entry. Killtown has made a lot of enemies and i suspect somebody else behind that blog.

[Oliver]

It means that they could see the traffic in their log files that was generated by people clicking on my link - with referer to JREF. That's how it works on the internet.

And i think you're jumping to conclusions here. If Genghis thinks that UC is Killtown, he hasn't written that blog entry. Killtown has made a lot of enemies and i suspect somebody else behind that blog.


You mean Ghengis isn't a real name? :p Anyway, I don't get why a "Debunker" - or Skeptic would protect that SOB called Killtown. Anyway, who do you think is behind the Blog in question?

[Horatius]

Can I get a scorecard for this latest (debate|debacle*)?





*Debatcle? No, doesn't work, alas....

[Childlike Empress]

Anyway, who do you think is behind the Blog in question?


There must be dozens of people out there who made similar experiences as Genghis did (although he seems to have been a main target). Maybe it's someone who hasn't made himself a name on the internet. Or not. I don't know and it doesn't really matter.

btw, it's typical that you are the only one curious enough to follow up on this. I wonder where our resident super truther bill smith is. He should be all over this, shouldn't he?

[atecom]

Our NWO planning room has been exposed :(

http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2009/12/inside-job-room.jpg