Pete's Youth Foundation

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http://www.geocities.com/slack_jazzy_colt/index.html

This guy has started, or is trying to start a new cult. He recruited me into his yahoo group and I'm now doing my part to raise doubts amongsts any potential believers.

This guy claims to have knowledge of "The Pyramids" and thus can enable him to produce electricity with pyramids and use them as sewage plants to produce "living water". He also claims to have the "only correct" theory of gravity.

I wonder how much questioning and doubt this guy will tolerate before he bans me from his group. I will post here what happens at that yahoo group.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christ_returned/

Here is the yahoo group URL.

Here is my correspondence with this new cult-leader.




Hello Pete,

It seems that you have some pretty bold claims here. I am wondering
if you are just blowing hot air at us or if you can actually back up
your claims with evidence. It seems that you have many claims here
that can be tested. I'm sure you can use $1 million dollars to help
your cause of bringing about world peace and to feed the starving.
Therefore, I have the perfect answer.
www.randi.org The JREF foundation has been investigating claims
such as yours for over a decade and they will be glad to validate
your claims. They will reward you with One Million Dollars if you
can do the things you claim.

Hello Ken, I went to the above address you sent me and found this:
"One Million Dollars awaits the individual that can prove, in a controlled
setting, that they have "super" powers. Click here."

I've never claimed to have "super" powers. My claim is that Jesus didn't have
"supper" powers either. He just had a better understanding of the OT than
others. And this was especially with regard to the Arc of the Covenant. So
that's why his message would have been like mine. He was a carpenter and I'm an
engineer. It's a case where we both studied the Bible from a technical
perspective. Thanks, Bill

I have written him a message back but must wait to see if he approves the post before I can get it here.

[Yahweh]

Pyramids + Idiocy = Pyramidiocy (http://www.skepdic.com/pyramidiocy.html)

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Ken: While you may not call them superpowers, you certainly do have several claims that qualify as "super" powers, or paranormal. From your homepage, I will list these bold claims that can be tested.

"It's about Pete's Gravim which is the only correct theory of gravity."

This isn't a claim of having a superpower, however, I'm sure that
Nature magazine would be interested in your "only" correct theory. Have you published this theory, along with collaborating facts, in any peer-reviewed journals?

Bill: No I haven't. It's just in my letter campaign. My theory conflicts with what NASA supposedly proved with their "moon walks". If they find out that gravity is about the same on mars as it is on earth then there will be proof that I'm right with my theory.

Ken: " Pete's Fountains of Youth will bring pure water, electricity etc."

I'd like to know how. Do you have the scientific methods laid out
for such feats? I can make pure water by using a filter. I can make
electricity with magnets and conductors. Do you have a different way?

Bill: If you go to mywebsite:
<http://www.geocities.com/slack_jazzy_colt/index.html>

Right at the top of the first page is "Pete's Fountains of Youth". There are drawings along with explanations about how I believe it was done. And it can be done that way again if we just try to do it.

Ken: "Pete's Earth Movers will control the rotation, tilt and spin of the earth around the sun. This will reduce catastrophic storms, earth quakes and volcanic activity."

This is a SUPER power here, no matter if you use technology or not. I'm sure if you write Mr Randi at the JREF he will surely be
interested in testing your claim. How will you control the earth's
rotation, tilt and spin? Why do you think doing this will prevent
catastrophic natural disasters? Again, do you have any actual
science to back up these assertions? If you really do have this
power to change the earth's spin and such, I ask of you to please
consult real scientists before proceeding. I think that your
manipulation of these things are likely to cause more natural
disasters than prevent them.

Bill: Again go to my website. But this time look for "Pete's Super Combo - The
Earth Mover". .

Ken: "Pete's Heaven is based on faith because of what Russia, China, Japan, the Catholic Church, Cuba, others and many in the USA have been doing with respect to my project. "

This isn't a claim of a superpower, however.. why should I believe
you? Do you have any newspaper articles? I am currently in Japan
now and no one I know has ever heard of Pete's Heaven.

Bill: My letters are full of this kind of evidence. It's the main reason I wrote most of the letters. The main one is "7-4-00 Return Scenarios". Going to the top of the first page of my website go to "Events that provide credibility to PT"

Ken: "They've all been pointing to me as Christ returned!" Who are "they"? Also, you aren't the first to claim this. You have competition from another "messiah" named Hehpsaboah who is in the USA. She claims to be the true prophet of peace. Who is right? How can we tell? Her website is here www.thecosmicenergyexperience.com . I don't mean to attack you, I'm simply confused. With all of these prophets out here claiming to be the messiah, I have to be certain before I pledge my faith.

Bill: When I say "they" I'm referring to those who staged the demonstrations that I've explained in great detail.

Ken: "From the 10/22 Seattle Times, "He also announced a 31st cardinal whose name was kept secret, or 'in pectore.' That's a Vatican formula often used when the pope wants to name a cardinal in a country where the church is oppressed.""

Well.. yea, the pope also announced a 31st cardinal. Were you trying to claim that Pete did?

"I'm #31 in Pete's Good Guys. Based on what's going on it must mean it's for me to be Christ returned. I accept!

Bill: In Pete's Good Guys #31 is "Jesus Christ [me]". This is only one of the times that this sort of thing has been done for me by the Pope. If it were only this one time, then it wouldn't be as effective. It's as I've explained above.

Ken: On 11/5 (Helping w/Christ's message to the world Day) Concorde arrived in Seattle. On 11/28 (Billy Graham's & Protestant's Day) it accepted guests. Will Christ's return to earth be in Pete's Plane at twice the speed of sound?! Will it be 1/7/04, Eastern Christmas Day? Or will it have to wait until Easter? "

Now the rest of this paragraph is just fragments of announcements. Is the general gist of this supposed to be that it's evidence of your being Christ returned? As the Christ, can you heal people by will alone? Can you raise the dead? Can you walk on water? Can you turn water into wine? If so, any and all of these claims can be tested.

"My claim is that Jesus didn't have "super" powers either."

Based on what? Are you claiming that the New Testament's claims of Jesus having the superpowers outlined above are mere lies? Are they "allegorical"? If this superpowered Jesus in the bible is merely fiction........ where do you get your information from?

"He was a carpenter and I'm an engineer. It's a case where we both studied the Bible from a technical perspective. Thanks, Bill"

It seems to me that you missed the part of the bible that says that even a simple man can understand the bible. I have to wonder, how does being an engineer give you greater authority and understanding of the OT than any other person? You say that you have a "technical" understanding, but I really doubt that you have any real original thoughts on the bible.

Bill: The main thing in the OT and the NT is the Arc of the Covenant. It's explained better in the OT than in the NT. In the NT there are more attempts to cover up what it really is. It's a very powerful shot from an earth moving pyramid canon. These pyramids really are the foundations of the earth. The most qualified to design these structures are structural engineers.

I'm a structural engineer licensed in the state of California. It's the most difficult license to obtain because of their earthquakes. So that's why I say I'm in a better position to understand the Bible than most people. Also I've done a great deal of studying and writing on the subject.


Thankyou for your very thoughtful response. It's this sort of thing that helps to advance the development of the project. Thanks again, Bill


I think this is the first time that I've heard of anyone claiming that the OT and NT are simply schematics for a giant raygun. Wow. I hope his claim of having 600 followers is just a claim, and not reality.

[Soapy Sam]

Pete plans to control the rotation of the Earth. Pete thinks this will reduce seismic activity.

Pete is the real thing.

A genuine, 100% , fully fledged crackpot.

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Ken: It seems to me that you evade skepticism and scientific scrutiny.
Your pyramid claims will certainly qualify for the JREF million if
you can simply prove that these pyramids work like you say they do.
I highly doubt that a pyramid can make electricity without some kind
of generator, like a fuel cell or a conventional magnetic one. I
also doubt your claims that you are a the new messiah.

Bill: The pyramids provide the heat for the pipes that wrap around them. The
steam from the pipes goes to a power plant that uses steam to create
electricity. So there would be generators involved. I took the challenge of Rev.
13:5 and I followed the time schedule set up by Abp Ussher. If this sort of
thing isn't done then Christianity evolves into a perpetual scam where there
never is the return of Christ. What I've been doing is to show that there is
approval of what I did. In fact, enough to make me Christ returned.

Ken: "812 years/days left in Millennium.7; $1,000 registration; $100 per
month"

What does this mean? Is this your true motive for your claims?

Bill: Well I would like to make more than $113.00 for my efforts. It's like
the Pastors who need money to continue their work.

Ken: "Fusion is a clean reaction and actually should be able to clean up
nuclear wastes. Fission is a dirty reaction and it's what causes
nuclear wastes. This is what I've been claiming publicly ever since
1968 and I've never had anyone dispute these claims. In fact as far
as I can remember, I can't even remember it ever being commented on
by anyone other than myself. If I've been wrong about this, then I
would think that some one would tell me about it. I've certainly
spread this kind of information around enough. "

I think this sentence from your "Fountain of Youth" page demonstrates
your lack of knowledge in the field of nuclear physics. You clearly
do not know what causes radioactive waste. You see, energy is
released in the form of radiation in both processes. Fusion releases
radiation and so does fission. It's the radiation that causes the
poisons (buffers) in a reactor to become activated. Either way,
there will be radioactive waste produced. This is a very rudimentary
and basic explanation. I have 10 years of service as a Nuclear
Technician for the US Navy. I have now commented on your claim.
Perhaps the reason no one else has commented on your claim is because
you have not persued any scientific journals.

Bill: My letters and especially this newsletter is pursuing any and all sorts
of journals or whatever. What's hard is to get a response. This is the first
time I've heard about this problem with fusion. The question is how much
radioactive wastes. I've been led to believe that with fusion there will be very
little of it produced. It's a good question for the nuclear physicists.

And I've admitted that I'm not a nuclear physicist. Again I revert to the
support I've already recieved as shown in "7-4-00 Return Scenarios". It's
because of what Russia, China, Japan, the Catholic Church, Cuba, others and many
in the USA have been doing with respect to my project.

Ken: I really get bored reading through your article. It really seems
like you are just another person trying to sell "free energy" or
another version of a "perpetual motion" device. If you really think
you can build such a thing, don't you think you should be "spreading
the word" to people that might actually validate or verify your
science? Popular Mechanics is a good magazine to which you can
submit your article. Why not try them? How about Nature magazine?
Scientific American can also use someone with your "genius".

Bill: I tried to do this and they wouldn't respond. I actually went to work
for organizations like DMJM, Boeing, SSOE and Berryman & Henigar with the hope
that they would respond under those circumstances. They just would not do it. So
this is what led me back into another letter campaign which is still going on. I
think the reason is the "moon walks".

But my theory of gravity might be found to be true with the latest mars rover.
According to the mass attracts mass theory gravity is between 1/2 and 2/3 of
what it is on earth. If they find out that it's about the same on mars as it is
on earth then Pete's Gravim is correct. This probe is supposed to be very
sophisticated. If so it should be able to measure gravity.

Ken: Your "earth mover" cannon/pyramids are a semi-creative scifi device
that would not work. IF, and that's a big IF, you could get a cannon
to shoot with the amount of force to increase or decrease the earth's
rotational spin, the pyramids would likely be destroyed or they would
simply slide across the ground. There isn't a foundation strong
enough to support that kind of thing that can be built.

However, I could be wrong. Can you not simply build a scaled model
to test your theories? You can always write a peer-reviewed journal
as well, if your theories are sound, they will publish your material
and maybe you can get the funding and support necessary to get your
plans going.

There are many brilliant people at the JREF forum that would love
to discuss your ideas with you.

Thank you, and good day.

Bill: The existing spin, rotation and tilt of the earth is prima fascia
evidence that this has been done in the past. The pyramids are also prima fascia
evidence that they are what accomplished the task. Several times I've explained
that the first project should be the Fountains of Youth. And there are 616
members in this group who I'm able to discuss my ideas with. Also any of them
can contact whatever forum they want to. Meanwhile I'll try to contact JREF to
see what happens.

Thanks, Bill

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Looks like another person is skeptical of "Pete's" claim.


Lloyd: Okies, I’m getting a bit tired of this�E..

I’m a student myself�E A physics student, phd student�Ebr> I believe I do know the basics of nuclear physics.

Here it goes:
Nuclear fission has been used in the nuclear reactors. They produce
energy because when a heavy, meaning BIG nucleus breaks into different
parts, energy is released. That’s Einstein’s equation , e = m c^2. any
A-level physics student in high school knows that. Nothing new.
Nuclear fusion is when two small nucleus sticks together to form a
bigger one, they also release energy. Check “binding energy curve�Ein
the internet. That’s also basic A-level physics stuff.

Now about the wastes.
The final daughter nucleus of a nuclear fission is radioactive, yet is
useless in terms of amount of energy it produces. So the wastes have to
be rid of.
The final results of a nuclear fusion is ALSO Radioactive, and thus is a
waste too, and needs to be gotten rid of.
And�Eif anyone is interested to know, nuclear fusion, which is here
claimed to be more interesting and much better than nuclear fission�E
Nuclear fusion is WAY more DANGEROUS than nuclear fission.

Remember the atomic bomb? That’s nuclear fusion. The nuclear fission
reaction is only used as a buffer, to create the necessary temperature
to make the other atoms fuse, and then�EKA-BOOM. Nuclear bombs EXPLOde�E
That’s why it’s called the “Hydrogen Bomb�E Two hydrogen atoms fuses to
form deuterium, and two deuterium to form helium.

The thing, and maybe the “mystery�Eabout nuclear fusion , when it comes
to nuclear reactors that would cause electricity, is that a “controlled
reaction�Eis extremely difficult to achieve. In the case of nuclear
fission, we just put in carbon rods that would absorb the extra alpha
and beta particles and thus slow down the nuclear fission reaction. In
the case of nuclear fusion, everything goes super fast. And if it’s not
controlled, the nuclear reactor, instead of producing electricity, would
be a public funded, self-sacrificing nuclear bomb in the friendly
neighborhood. Not likely to be enjoyed.

Bill: I'm talking about the "KA-BOOM". It will be in massive heat resistant
pyramids. The heat resistance will be increased with tile etc... The air in the
blast chamber and barrel will be evacuated so that the expansion of the air
won't blow up the pyramid. A positively charged steel barrel will extend the arc
high enough up into the air so it won't arc back down to the ground.

They will be located at sewerage treatment plants. So they won't be in friendly
neighborhoods. But they actually might be pleasant to be around.

Lloyd: Hmmz�Eif anyone is interested to know�E The tilt and spin of the
earth�E
Hmm�E Sorry to say, but it cannot be changed.
Why? Simple conservation of angular momentum.
The spin of the earth has been set billions of billions of years ago,
when the solar system was formed, when the star dust particles from a
super nova explosion came together and formed the super massive boulder
that eventually collapsed and ignited to form our nice shiny Sun, and
other similar stardust formed mars, venus, earth, Jupiter, Pluto, etc�Ebr> including the moon btw�Eand when they happened to come together, they
were ALREADY spinning.

And again, the spin of earth cannot be changed. Simply because of , I
repeat, conservation of angular momentum.
You can’t be in a car and push the door and make the car move�E Or spin.

Ohh, one interesting data, the storms happen, as a result of chaos
theory�Enot the spin of the earth �Ewell, if the spin is changed, the
direction of the winds would change�Ebut storms would still exist. Since
storms would exist as long as winds exist.

Ohh one other interesting fact is�Eif one wants to change the spin �Ebr> assuming it is possible �Ein order to change the winds, so that no
storms would ever happen in a populated area, the knowledge of chaos
theory and fractals would be good enough�Eat least should be good
enough, to predict the weather forcast for the next months, at least�Eor
even years�Ebr>
That knowledge could be applied in stocks!!! Could be rich man! :)

God Bless you all anyway :) Lloyd.

Bill: Angular momentum is affected by gravity and mass. According to Pete's
Gravim the core of the earth is massless. That's instead of it having a density
of about 14 to 16 according to the mass attracts mass theory. Also I'm talking
about controlling the spin, tilt, rotation, wobble and every other aspect of the
motion of the earth. This is what has to be done in order to ameliorate storms,
earth quakes and volcanic activity.

Thanks Lloyd for your contribution, Bill

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Ken: Did it ever occur to you that if the science journals won't entertain
your ideas and theories, then it means your theories are so ridiculous that they
don't deserve a response?

Here are some problems with your plans.

1. You are not a nuclear expert, yet you plan to build a fusion reactor.

Bill: It's a simple idea. And there are the pyramids to explain how it's done.

2. You are not a seizmologist, yet you want to stop earthquakes with
your "knowledge".

Bill: I didn't say I could stop earthquakes, just calm them.

3. You are not a meteorologist, yet you want to affect the weather
and make it calm.

Bill: If we control all aspects of the movement of the earth, then we should
also expect to calm storms, earth quakes and volcanic activity.

4. You are not a physicist, yet you claim to have the only "correct"
theory of gravity, despite the facts and evidence against it.

Bill: I see more facts and evidence for it than against it.

5. You are not a theologist, yet you claim to have the
proper "translation" of the OT and NT.

Bill: Jesus was a carpenter yet he made the same type of claims.

6. There is no science that supports your claims.

Bill: That's if you don't agree with Pete's Gravim.

7. You want 1000 + 100/month from people even though you can not
produce results.

Bill: If you check, "7-4-00 Return Scenarios" I believe you will see that I've
been getting results from what I've been doing. There is also the results I've
shown on the description of my newsgroup.

8. You claim that the pyramids have been used to move the earth
before, despite the fact that there is no scientific evidence to
support that claim.

Bill: I've written plenty about this. It's the evidence that I've dug up from
all over. It includes the Bible. They were called the foundations of the earth.

9. The Mars probe is on Mars now and does not report anything that
would support your "gravity" assertions. In fact, our current
understanding of gravity is what helped make the landing of the probe
successful.

Bill: Pete's Gravim has been the "key" to understanding all of the above. Have
you heard anything from this or any other mars landing about gravity? I
haven't. There's no comment about it one way or the other. If they admmitted
that gravity on mars was about the same as it is here on earth then they would
be in trouble. They would then have to try to explain the "moon walks".

10. Your "credentials", the list of letters you have, is just a list
of letters. Anyone can write letters and send them places. If you
cannot get your articles published, it's probably because they aren't
worth entertaining.

Bill: The "7-4-00 Return Scenarios" are mostly actual events that have
occurred in history and they can be verified.

Lloyd: Thank you.

Thanks, Bill

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Ken: "Bill: It's a simple idea. And there are the pyramids to explain how
it's done."

Yes, according to you. Yet you have not demonstrated this. Anyone
can make a claim. Can you even build a scaled down model to show
effectiveness? You can't even get the theory correct on how this
would work. Simply put.. you "know" it can be done, despite the
facts.

Bill now: I've made many drawings along with the explanations.

"Bill: I didn't say I could stop earthquakes, just calm them."

Ken: Gee, my mistake. It still stands that your claim is inevident and
nonscientific.

"Bill: If we control all aspects of the movement of the earth, then
we should also expect to calm storms, earth quakes and volcanic
activity."

Ken; This is not true at all. Earthquakes come from the shifting of
tectonic plates.. that's because land is merely floating on earth's
molten core. Volcanoes occur because of buildup of energy inside of
these plates due to the heat of the core. Storms come from changes
in pressure of the atmosphere and many other factors that
meteorologistst would know. Your "theory" is not evidenced with any
facts or working models. You simply make claims.

"Bill: I see more facts and evidence for it than against it."

Bill now: The smoother the earth goes through space in all respects, there
would be fewer reasons for storms, earth quakes and volcanic activity to take
place. This is regardless of what causes storms, earth quakes and volcanic
activity. It's just based on common sense.

Ken: Yes, like a true believer, you see evidence where there is none. You
ignore evidence and facts that threaten your beliefs. If you had
objective evidence, your articles would've been published in a
scientific journal.

"Bill: Jesus was a carpenter yet he made the same type of claims."

Ken: Yes, the "common man" hero that is called Jesus certainly was just a
carpenter according to the bible. However, the reality is that we
don't know if such a person actually existed. We don't even know if
the bible really is the word of a god.

Bill now: Where I agree wiih the Bible is when it agrees with what I know about
pyramids.

Ken: In fact, the bible is actually a collection of fables, stories
and "testiments" of many different people. Most of the authors are
unknown. The book was canonized by what is known as the Catholic
Church today. It was decided what would be "the bible" by a group of
people, not any gods. So.. if the bible is a blue-print of your
giant ray-gun, then surely there are some parts that aren't included.

Bill now: It's the best we have for the type of thing it's for.

"Bill: That's if you don't agree with Pete's Gravim."

Ken: Scientists don't. Your theory isn't scientific, if it were, it would
be accepted by science as a scientific theory. You give your beliefs
a scientific sounding name to sell it to people as science. So far,
if we believe your claim.. you have over 600 members who have paid
1000+ bucks each. So, you've made over 600K by selling pseudoscience.

Bill now: That $1,000 was wishful only. All I've made from this is $113.00.

"Bill: If you check, "7-4-00 Return Scenarios" I believe you will see
that I've been getting results from what I've been doing. There is
also the results I've shown on the description of my newsgroup."

Ken: A giant sculpture that you may, or may not have, built does not show
that you have the ability to created nuclear fusion reactors or giant
ray-guns. Real results are documented by scientific sources.

"Bill: I've written plenty about this. It's the evidence that I've
dug up from all over. It includes the Bible. They were called the
foundations of the earth."

Ken: You have written plenty, you have given none. Your evidence is
nothing but speculation and fantasy. The Bible is only evidence of
religious beliefs. It's obvious that you have no real evidence,
otherwise you'd have science on your side.

"Bill: Pete's Gravim has been the "key" to understanding all of the
above. Have you heard anything from this or any other mars landing
about gravity? I haven't. There's no comment about it one way or the
other. If they admmitted that gravity on mars was about the same as
it is here on earth then they would be in trouble. They would then
have to try to explain the "moon walks"."

Ken: Now you are coming up with conspiracy theories about NASA. No, if
gravity acted differently on Mars, they would gladly share the
information because it would be new knowledge. Scientists love knew
knowledge and they love to discover new things. Your constant
referall to "Pete's Gravim" is an evasion. It's your sanctuary to
retreat to when real science is mentioned.

Bill now: As far as I'm concerned the "moon walks" issue still hasn't been
resolved. And I'm not alone on this. There are many who think they were faked.

"Bill: The "7-4-00 Return Scenarios" are mostly actual events that
have occurred in history and they can be verified."

Ken: I don't doubt it. But those "return scenarios" in no way show that
you have any credentials regarding your ray-gun claims.

Bill now: There's no other reason for them to have done the things they did.

Thanks, Bill

[UnrepentantSinner]

You're more tenacious than I am. After about the 4th regurgitation of the same vaccuous crap that didn't mean anything the first 3 times... I tend to give up. Good for you for sticking with it.

[thaiboxerken]

Well, I've given up on him.

Oh, and he's only made 113 bucks.. so i guess he isn't very successful in conning people. I'm glad.

[Zep]

I think he lost me at the starting gate when he started naming all sorts of stuff "Pete's" whatever. Why not his surname? Didn't want to be recognised for posterity later with his surname like all the other notables of science?

Sounds like a complete scam-artist, or he's off with the fairies completely.

Scam-artist, I'd say, and a bad one at that.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Zep
I think he lost me at the starting gate when he started naming all sorts of stuff "Pete's" whatever. Why not his surname? Didn't want to be recognised for posterity later with his surname like all the other notables of science?

Sounds like a complete scam-artist, or he's off with the fairies completely.

Scam-artist, I'd say, and a bad one at that.

Because Jesus goes by his first name.

[Zep]

What WAS Jesus's family name anyway? Greenberg? Goldberg? Iceburg?

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Ken: It's clear to me that you are either very deluded or a charlatan that
is trying to, or has, made lots of money off of the gullibility of
people.

Bill: Neither is correct.

Ken: IF your claims were valid, and your science were correct, you'd be
published by science journals by now. IF your claims were valid, you'd have a
Nobel prize by now.

Bill: Remember, Pete's Gravim doesn't agree with what NASA claimed they found
out about gravity on the moon. So it's me against NASA. This one man in his
garage against a very impressive scientific group.

Ken: If your claims were valid, the supposed $600-thousand dollars
you've accumulated from people would have produced a working model by
now. You have produced NO results. All you've done is accumulate
articles and claim credit.

Bill: I told you that the $1,000 was wishful and that I've only taken in
$113.00 so far. It's like the church asking it's members to tithe. But very few
do.

Ken: I will leave this group now as you disguist me with your credulity.

I advise anyone that visits this site to visit these other sites
before sending Pete's Youth Foundation any money. Pete's Youth
Foundation doesn't need your money because there is a million dollars
waiting for him if he can simply prove what he can do.

www.randi.org
www.csicop.org

Bill: Both are about, "Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal".
And I've never claimed that I have any paranormal powers. So there is no way
that I could pass their tests. Thanks, Bill

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Drew: In addition to the fact that storms would exist even if you changed the
rotation of the planet, storms exist as an intricate part of the delicate
balance that our planet holds that makes it able to sustain life. If the storms
stopped that means the water cycle would stop, uh oh, no more rivers, lakes, or
other non-oceanic bodys of water. Also the process of condensation,
precipitation, evaporation, also removes pollutants from the air.

Bill: I'm not trying to stop anything. I just want to " - reduce catastrophic
storms, earth quakes and volcanic activity."

Drew: Uh oh, no more clean air. Also, if there is no more water cycle that
means all the water is going to be evaporated into the air causing massive
increase in global humidity which could in theory aid the greenhouse effect.

Also all the water that wasn't evaporated, would flow into the oceans causing an
increase in ocean water levels. The increase in humidity, which would lead to a
potential increase in heat, would cause the polar ice caps to melt, which would
also increase the oceanic water levels of the earth. Uh oh, we're now a
Waterworld starring Kevin Costner. Not only that, but if all of our water was
put into the oceans we have no drinking water left. Uh oh, life on this planet
would cease to exist.

Bill: What you are talking about is if nothing is done to control these things.
What I'm talking about is to control the movements of the earth for the best
results. Waterworld is without Pete's Pyramids. Pete's Heaven is with Pete's
Pyramids.

Drew: If any other aspect of the planet's status in space, (ie tilt, orbital
speed) were to change, it would cause a massive change in the planetary
ecosystems resulting in life ceasing to exist. Scientists have figured that if
the planet were to tilt 3 degrees in either direction, life would die. The
planet would essentially become mars. We are exactly at the PRECISE tilt,
rotational speed, and orbital speed necesesary to perpetuate life on this
planet. Thus, the Masterpiece of God.

If you are saying God's Masterpiece needs to be changed, your saying God makes
mistakes. God cannot make mistakes as God is perfect, thus your plans have all
been proved null. And even if you say that God is not perfect, that proves that
your God is nothing like the Hebrew God, Christian God, or Islamic God, as the
God all three believe in YHWY, is perfect and cannot make mistakes.

I understand your desire to eliminate storms and stuff like that, but did you
ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, those are tools of God's design used
to better his plan. That through suffering we are made whole and stronger. Jesus
showed us, that only through suffering could he cleanse us of our sins. Only
through suffering can we learn and grow and come closer to God. Once we have
attained salvation however, we have no need of suffering, as we are already pure
and one with the Body of Christ. If you were truly Christ Returned you would
understand these things.

Frankly your knowledge of theology leaves a lot to be desired. Also in your
letter that you sent back to me, you said I had a bunch of spelling errors. I
ran it through my spell checker, and found two. tisk tisk tisk. I will give you
that it was a bit disorganized.

Peace all you fellow believers in the TRUE Jesus Christ that "has died, is
risen, and will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead." And I
pray for the soul of this lost man and the souls of those he leads astray. Amen.

Bill: Thankyou Drew for correcting your spelling errors and coming up with such
a good response in general. Where we differ is that you think that nothing needs
to be done with regard to the earth's motion through space. I believe that there
are some things that could be done to improve our existing conditions. And I
think that we should start by building the Fountains of Youth. That will build
up the expertise that's needed to build the earth movers. Also I believe that
Jesus had the same basic message that I've been delivering. It's because he
understood the OT and the Arc of the Covenant better than others in his time.
Thanks again, Bill

[Zep]

Yep, a scam-artist.

Can we play games with him, perhaps? Bat him around like a cat does with a mouse before it kills it?

[Schizobunny]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Well, I've given up on him.

Oh, and he's only made 113 bucks.. so i guess he isn't very successful in conning people. I'm glad.

Finally a crackpot who isn't making more money then the real intelligent people. If were lucky the pattern will continue with other crackpots.

[thaiboxerken]

I'm glad I'm not the only one skeptical of Pete here.

Bill, keep your dayjob. Your cult will never succeed.

To all others, have a nice day, keep your money for something
important and most of all, be skeptical of any extraordinary claim.

Hello Ken, I thought you said that you were dropping out. And this isn't a cult. What I believe I have already been able to accomplish is to get the Pope's approval for me being Christ returned. This wasn't only once.

It happened at least four times that I'm aware of. And I got the same kind of approval from the Prespyterian Church. What happened with the Concorde etc.gives me the impression that this is also true with respect to the Church of England. Based on "7-4-00 Return Scenarios" it looks like I also have the
approval of the Eastern Christian Religions.

I have every expectation that I'm going to be Christ returned to all of the Christian religions in the world. Not only that, I believe the Jews and Muslims will go along as well. In fact I believe that this has already happened. There are very strong forces that are keeping this a secret. But I believe that something is going to happen to "burst their balloon".

It could be from the news about the mars mission. For example they might report that the force of gravity on mars is about the same as the force of gravity on earth. That's all it will take to show that I'm right about gravity. Then the rest of the story will unravel from there.

The powerful forces that have been keeping this secret are like the cork on a bottle of champagne. The bottle has been shaken so much already that probably all of the champagne (news) will come out at the same time. This is what will make it a very dramatic return of Christ to the world. It could have happened
yesterday. But the "cork" is still holding.

The "cork" is in there so tight that I don't even get any phone calls, mail or anything else that has anything to do with my project. That's except for the few messages I've received from this newsgroup. Even there it's not much when you realize there are over 600 members. Hopefully "I have a dream" King's Day will
be the Big Day. It's on Judge Judy's and Legal Help Day. Maybe Judy will come to the rescue. Perhaps she will do a better job than Pilate. She doesn't seem to be the type to lose her moral courage like Pilate did.



Yep, this guy is definitely cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

[Zep]

I've got it!

1. Ask him for his bank account details so you can make a donation.

2. Post the details here.

3. We clean him out (although $113 won't go too far in Vegas).

He DESERVES this!



[Edited to add: In the interests of not using JREF as a springboard for illegal Internet fraud - ONLY KIDDING! ]

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
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I've never claimed to have "super" powers. My claim is that Jesus didn't have"supper" powers either,

But what about the "Last Supper" powers?
And who picked up the check?
Did they stiff the waiter?