Where is the evidence for Flight 77?

[Algebra34]

Oh show us the damn plane already. Every piece that was discovered and accounted. This is so stupid.

Split from: 8 out of 8 at Citgo station (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=162245).

[Arus808]

Oh show us the damn plane already. Every piece that was discovered and accounted. This is so stupid.


show us every piece of El Al Cargo Flight 1862

Oh you can't? Then why do you need every piece of flight 77?

[Algebra34]

Where is the plane? Right now. Where is it? Do we have an exact inventory of what was found? Stop with this stupid crap already.

[Arus808]

Where is the plane? Right now. Where is it? Do we have an exact inventory of what was found? Stop with this stupid crap already.

why do you need to know? the plane belongs to the American airlines. Its up to them to tell anyone where it is. If they are not interested in telling anyone where it is, then that's their business. Not yours.


The NTSB, FBI and American Airlines knows what caused the crash. So any other inquiry is not needed.

[Algebra34]

why do you need to know? the plane belongs to the American airlines. Its up to them to tell anyone where it is. If they are not interested in telling anyone where it is, then that's their business.
Not yours.

Why? Why the hell are you here? Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?

Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it.

[Thunder]

Where is the plane? Right now. Where is it? Do we have an exact inventory of what was found? .

um..why do you care?

[Arus808]

Why?
Yes why. Why do you need to know where it is?

Why the hell are you here?Im here because I choose to be here. I respond because I choose to respond. Nothing more.

Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?PUt to rest what? A few 1000 people with a conspiracy accusing the airlines of being part of the conspiracy.

Guess what? it wont happen. All your like will do, even IF they show you the plane, will claim "that's not the plane!" "FAKE!" "they are providing a repainted plane to look like it was Flight 77!!"

Just like the birthers, even if you show them a REAL Long form Birth Certificate for Obama, they will still claim its fake.

The airlines has no obligation to a few paranoid cranks.

They are not concealing it. For all we know, they've already turned the wreckage over the scrap yard, cause a Plane that was destroyed 8 years ago, has no FINANCIAL value to the company. So, if they were smart, they would have sold the parts to a scrap yard by now.


Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it.SHOW us the wreckage and every piece from El Al Cargo Flight 1862.

[Childlike Empress]

Guess what? it wont happen. All your like will do, even IF they show you the plane, will claim "that's not the plane!" "FAKE!" "they are providing a repainted plane to look like it was Flight 77!!"


That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

You shout from the rooftops: "NO NO NO THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! I BELIEVE THEM ANYWAY!". :rolleyes:

[Thunder]

That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

um, you want the FBI and the FAA to show all the wreckage from the plane, because a couple hundred knucklehead 9-11 Truthers want to see it?

you can't be serious.

can he be?

:confused:

[Arus808]

That's your speculation.

Sorry, but this is WHAT will happen? Do you know why? The truthers currently do this by claiming that the plane did not impact. Despite physical evidence that prove it did.

They say its planted, faked and whatever assinine theory they come up with for the witnesses who said it crashed into the pentago.

ITs not speculation. its the truth. YOU are currently doing it.

We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

YOU have no evidence.

[Algebra34]

That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

You shout from the rooftops: "NO NO NO THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! I BELIEVE THEM ANYWAY!". :rolleyes:

It's so ridiculous.

Debunker: "Any evidense is destroyed or hidden so HA HA HA!"

This is what JREF 9/11 debunking is.

[UNLoVedRebel]

That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

You shout from the rooftops: "NO NO NO THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! I BELIEVE THEM ANYWAY!". :rolleyes:

Well, if someone says something that stands up to facts and evidence, I tend to believe him. When HI said his wife was fat, I believed him. When the AA77witnesses said they saw the plane hit the pentagon, I believed them. All the facts and evidence supports their claims. See:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/3337/outputl.gif
WPIdDLwcATA

[Thunder]

It's so ridiculous.


This is what JREF 9/11 debunking is.

and yet, you just can't seem to pull away from us.

how...ironic. ;)

[Algebra34]

When HI said his wife was fat, I believed him.

You can't even back up that much debunker. You lie. Since you have dropped HI 's name so much when stalking me, I went back and looked him up. He owned you. On everything. I guess that's your problem. Everyone who owns you is HI. You're delusional.

When the AA77witnesses said they saw the plane hit the pentagon, I believed them. All the facts and evidence supports their claims.

Where is the wreckage? You have nothing to support your story.

[DGM]

Where is the wreckage? .
Been scrapped already. Your 8 years too late. Sorry.

[AJM8125]

Where is the wreckage?

Ask American Airlines.

[Algebra34]

Ask American Airlines.

You mean you never did? Faith.

[DGM]

You mean you never did? Faith.
I did.

ETA I also contacted United about UA 93.

[AJM8125]

You mean you never did? Faith.

I don't have to. You're the one JAQing off.

[Algebra34]

Been scrapped already. Your 8 years too late. Sorry.

It's not sorry for debunkers and their religion. It's convenient. So there is no evidence left. Your story is based on lack of evidence. No matter what aspect you are purporting to be fact.

[DGM]

It's not sorry for debunkers and their religion. It's convenient. So there is no evidence left. Your story is based on lack of evidence. No matter what aspect you are purporting to be fact.
So what are you gaining here? No one is paying attention to you (besides us, and were only doing it for fun)

[Algebra34]

I did.

ETA I also contacted United about UA 93.

So where are any of them? Will we see the all of the wreckage in a museum someday? Ya think?

[Algebra34]

So what are you gaining here? No one is paying attention to you (besides us, and were only doing it for fun)

lol

[DGM]

So where are any of them?

Ask AA and United. I did.

Will we see the all of the wreckage in a museum someday?

Yes

[DGM]

lol
Yes, funny for us. Once I shut off this computer, your "movement" dies. You only exist when we want you to.

[Algebra34]

Ask AA and United. I did.



Yes

Have you seen all of the wreakage from all four flights DGM?

[Thunder]

You don't have a plane. Where is it?

er...why don't you ask the owners of the plane where the wreckage is. and then ask if you can see the remains.

[AJM8125]

Have you seen all of the wreakage from all four flights DGM?

Man look at those goalposts go!

[Arus808]

Have you seen all of the wreakage from all four flights DGM?

please provide the wreckage for El Al Cargo Flight 1862

[Algebra34]

Yes, funny for us. Once I shut off this computer, your "movement" dies. You only exist when we want you to.

And when you turn it back on it's still there. Just like when you occasionally take your head out of the sand.

[DGM]

Have you seen all of the wreakage from all four flights DGM?
I've seen pictures.

[DGM]

And when you turn it back on it's still there. .
Only when I come looking for you. That's not how you run a revolution.

[Whiplash]

Oh show us the damn plane already. Every piece that was discovered and accounted. This is so stupid.


Oh, it just so happens that every piece is in a shed in Randi's backyard. We'll get right on that. :rolleyes:

[Algebra34]

Debunkers have no accounting of plane wreckage discovered. How come?

[Alt+F4]

Debunkers have no accounting of plane wreckage discovered. How come?

Go out and find the plane yourself if you're so intrested. Sue American Airlines. Write a book.

[carlitos]

Debunkers have no accounting of plane wreckage discovered. How come?

This photo of wreckage on Pentagon lawn (http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/911-flight77-debris.jpg) was not hard to find. I googled "flight 77 wreckage" and ignored the conspiracy sites. Maybe you can't find it because you are spelling it "wreakage?" Maybe you can't find "evidense" for the same reason? I have to ignore red squiggly lines in order to type things like this. Maybe you need an updated web browser?

Pile of debris from inside Pentagon, including landing gear (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/00Pentdebris.jpg/00Pentdebris-full;init:.jpg).

Montage of various plane debris (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/PentagonDebrisMontagecopy1.jpg/PentagonDebrisMontagecopy1-full.jpg)

ETA - We had another poster that made this same mistake (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4746101&postcount=1553). Perhaps it's a common error. ;)

[Algebra34]

Wow some people are really sensitive. Just for asking to see the accounting of all the plane wreckage found. Why is that? lol

[Thunder]

Wow some people are really sensitive. Just for asking to see the accounting of all the plane wreckage found. Why is that? lol

um...we are not the FAA or the NTSB.

why are you asking JREF?

if you really wanted this info, you wouldn't be debating with debunkers. you'd be writing emails and letters.

i think you are just here for ***** and giggles. just like me.

:)

[Thunder]

Debunkers have no accounting of plane wreckage discovered. How come?

see above

[DGM]

Wow some people are really sensitive. Just for asking to see the accounting of all the plane wreckage found. Why is that? lol
Have you contacted the airlines? Just a hint if you do, Don't bring up crazy conspiracies. You'll get ignored (as usual).

[Thunder]

"um, hi. My name is ######. i was wondering if United Airlines could send me photos of the wreckage of the planes from 9-11?

and also, i was wondering, why you guys work with the NWO and are trying to install martial law and One World Government?

hello? um did you just hang up on me? im just asking questions!!!!"


:)

[T.A.M.]

I see we have another,

"I won't believe until I myself see first hand the wreckage and the body parts and the DNA" threads.

once again, the truth movement, in the overall scheme of thing is an insignificant prion on the back of a virus, invading a microbe that sits on the ass of society. get over it. YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH to validate access to such...live with it or do as you are doing (whining).

TAM:)

[Thunder]

Truthers don't care about the truth. all they care about is popularity, attention, money, and getting their rocks off.

that why they come to JREF to "debate". that why they hold useless and meaningless "protests".

its one...big...fraud.

the precedent has been set, for what an honest and true movement does to get information and to seek justice.

9-11 Truth, follows NONE of these precedents. and we ALL know why.

[GlennB]

It's not sorry for debunkers and their religion. It's convenient. So there is no evidence left. Your story is based on lack of evidence. No matter what aspect you are purporting to be fact.

There is plenty of evidence.
There are photos of The Pentagon lawn absolutely strewn with debris. far more debris than could have been scattered quickly from some truck or van without a 1000 people witnessing it. Photographs are admissible evidence.
Sample:
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/sap-guy/pentagondebris2.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/sap-guy/pentagondebris3.jpg

And that's just an example of the visual evidence.

[TruthersLie]

Why? Why the hell are you here? Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?

Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it.

Great.

Then contact them. Ask them where the wreckage was stored and what happened to it.

The contact information for American Airlines is rather easy to find. Feel free to do so. It shouldn't take any real work. Just the ability to clearly organize your thoughts and ask a few questions.

[grandmastershek]

Of course! Twoofers and their endless burden of proof shifting.

"There was 250 wet naps aboard! Not 249! Where is the other one?!"

[Thunder]

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

....say it enough times..and even I start to believe it!!!

:D

[grandmastershek]

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

there is no evidence of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

....say it enough times..and even I start to believe it!!!

:D

I love when truthers demand evidence, as if they really care anyway.

[T.A.M.]

I love when truthers demand evidence, as if they really care anyway.

exactly...here is how it goes (I have explained this before...

Truther: There is no evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon.
Debunker: Yes there is, there are eye witness reports, body parts, plane parts.
Truther: I have not seen them, so until I have, they don't exist.

Debunker takes truther to large room/bay where parts of plane are kept.

Debunker: Here, see, these are the parts from AA77
Truther: Well I don't see any serial numbers matching the plane parts.
Debunker: Here is a document listing the serial# of flight77, and it has a matching serial number to that plane part over there.

Truther: well clearly the plane part and/or the documents are faked.

TAM:confused:

[carlitos]

Other options for that conversation:

Part A does not match serial number B, for plane C.
But the Pentagon has a concrete core!
Those parts are not very realistice.
Why can't you give me the exact mass of each of those parts?
etc.

[Algebra34]

Wow! This thread really took off. The moderator who split it is a genius for seeing the topic that is not resolved by the debunkers.

Where is the God Damn plane? How many parts do you have? How exactly were they linked to 77?

Come on debunkers. You are the ones with the narrative. Back it up. This is as good a topic as any. Who the hell thinks they can hang with me?

[Thunder]

Where is the God Damn plane? How many parts do you have? How exactly were they linked to 77?


is this a serious question?

[T.A.M.]

Wow! This thread really took off. The moderator who split it is a genius for seeing the topic that is not resolved by the debunkers.

Where is the God Damn plane? How many parts do you have? How exactly were they linked to 77?

Come on debunkers. You are the ones with the narrative. Back it up. This is as good a topic as any. Who the hell thinks they can hang with me?

So which debunker here do you think should have access to the actual plane parts? Should you? Should I? Based on what do you have the right to anything belonging to United or American Airlines? What right do you or I have to examine or touch any part of those lost on those flights?

And I don't need to hang with you Algebra, your posit is stupid from the get go. WHo you really are is also becoming more apparent as well.

TAM:)

[DGM]

How many parts do you have?

I don't personally have any. How's it going contacting the airline?

[Algebra34]

is this a serious question?

Not really. It's rhetorical. You can't answer. Get to your redhead. PM me the details.

[carlitos]

And Algebra34 continues to ignore all substantive posts, while asserting no explanation for the events of that day, preferring to write snarky one and two-liners. As I asked you in the other topic, why are you posting here? Who are you trying to convince of anything? How do you think it's working so far?

[Algebra34]

And Algebra34 continues to ignore all substantive posts, while asserting no explanation for the events of that day, preferring to write snarky one and two-liners. As I asked you in the other topic, why are you posting here? Who are you trying to convince of anything? How do you think it's working so far?

You have nothing substantive. That's my point genius. Look up the word transference. If you would like to debate something let me know. I don't need to be snarky to own the likes of you.

[carlitos]

I don't post here to be "owned" or to "own" - really, you can't answer these relatively simple questions about your motivation?

...why are you posting here? Who are you trying to convince of anything? How do you think it's working so far?

Nor can you posit a hypothesis about 9/11 that both fits with the facts, and is different from the common narrative?

[T.A.M.]

You have nothing substantive. That's my point genius. Look up the word transference. If you would like to debate something let me know. I don't need to be snarky to own the likes of you.

you sound remarkably like someone who use to post here. The attack, the bravado "I can debate anyone here on any aspect of 9/11"...

Amazing.

TAM:)

[grandmastershek]

Not really. It's rhetorical. You can't answer. Get to your redhead. PM me the details.

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.

I love when truthers demand evidence, as if they really care anyway.

[twinstead]

so let me get this straight; unless WE (JREF People) personally come up with plane parts, 9-11 defaults to "inside job"? How stupid is that?

[Algebra34]

so let me get this straight; unless we personally come up with plane parts, 9-11 defaults to "inside job"? How stupid is that?

I didn't say anything about an inside job. I'm asking debunkers to validate their conspiracy theory. I'm a skeptic. Is this the wrong place for me?

[D Dub]

Wow some people are really sensitive. Just for asking to see the accounting of all the plane wreckage found. Why is that? lol

your question is answered and you resort to this as a response?


laughable..

[AJM8125]

so let me get this straight; unless WE (JREF People) personally come up with plane parts, 9-11 defaults to "inside job"? How stupid is that?

Even if we're able to, they'd be discounted as fake because they lack serial number's, right Algebra? ;)

[Algebra34]

your question is answered and you resort to this as a response?


laughable..

There is absolutely nothing funny about 9/11. Do you even know what it means to people who grew up in the area? Or actually lost people that they grew up with?

Can you show me a inventory of the plane debris recovered? That's it. That's all I ask. I think you can't answer debunker.

[T.A.M.]

Even if we're able to, they'd be discounted as fake because they lack serial number's, right Algebra? ;)

worse. Even if you were to present the serial#s, he would demand proof that the serial #s were not forged.

TAM:)

[Redtail]

Wow! This thread really took off. The moderator who split it is a genius for seeing the topic that is not resolved by the debunkers.

Where is the God Damn plane? How many parts do you have? How exactly were they linked to 77?

Come on debunkers. You are the ones with the narrative. Back it up. This is as good a topic as any. Who the hell thinks they can hang with me?

The plane was shattered into very many pieces as shown here.
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

They also have links to a few articles at the bottom.


An oldie but a goody.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#flight77debris


And of course there's the man truthers love to hate...

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Pictures, links, papers... It's all there.

Now, I doubt you'll read any of this, or respond to the pictures, articles, reports, papers, etc... but I'm sure your response will be funny on some level.

[carlitos]

Can you show me a inventory of the plane debris recovered?
Why?

[T.A.M.]

The plane was shattered into very many pieces as shown here.
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

They also have links to a few articles at the bottom.


An oldie but a goody.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#flight77debris


And of course there's the man truthers love to hate...

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Pictures, links, papers... It's all there.

Now, I doubt you'll read any of this, or respond to the pictures, articles, reports, papers, etc... but I'm sure your response will be funny on some level.

I am actually beginning to think that Algebra34 is actually a debunker who loves to make truthers look stupid, through his parody of them. That is the only explanation for his HI like behavior that I can fathom.

TAM:)

[grandmastershek]

so let me get this straight; unless we personally come up with plane parts, 9-11 defaults to "inside job"? How stupid is that?

Oh I totally hear them. Until someone shows me hi def video from no longer than 3 mins ago via closed circuit TV of the Earth traveling around the Sun with audio commentary from Neil de Grasse Tyson; I will maintain my doubts about the "official story" of the Earth's rotation.

[Algebra34]

Why?

Because you claim to know what happened. Based on what?

[carlitos]

You want an inventory for plane parts because of something I claim? That makes no sense.

[twinstead]

Because you claim to know what happened. Based on what?

We're just following the evidence, like most rational people would, It is YOU who is claiming to know what happened. If I were you I'd be a little less caustic and arrogant and demanding and provide some evidence that 911 was an inside job, because I don't know about the rest of the folks here, but to me you're just some vaguely funny ideologue posting on an internet forum; your high horse doesn't impress me.

[Algebra34]

The plane was shattered into very many pieces as shown here.
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

They also have links to a few articles at the bottom.


An oldie but a goody.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#flight77debris


And of course there's the man truthers love to hate...

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

Pictures, links, papers... It's all there.

Now, I doubt you'll read any of this, or respond to the pictures, articles, reports, papers, etc... but I'm sure your response will be funny on some level.

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane. Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?

[Dog Town]

I didn't say anything about an inside job.

Then what exactly are you on about?

[Dog Town]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane.

Do you think the Titanic sank?

[carlitos]

So, if a bus crashed off a cliff, exploded into a fireball, killing everyone on board, it wouldn't really have happened if they don't recover, what, 20% of the parts? 40%?

Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?Please take a minute, take a deep breath and answer this question. Why? Why do you need to know this?

[grandmastershek]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane. Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?

Seriously Al, don;t use Kent Hovind's arguments. They're not that good.

[Redtail]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story.
The plane is in the pictures... In very many pieces. This is corroborated many times over in those links.

A few pieces does not make a plane.
Few?

Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?
Wait... So the pieces of the plane should have equal importance of the people that were on it?



Where is it? How much?
Well, I just left a message with the C.R Smith Museum. (Since you're to afraid to contact AA.) I figure that's as good a place to start as any. Since it looks as if I would hear back from them before Monday, do you want to explain why the pictures, eyewitness accounts, radar data, first responder reports, etc... are not enough to convince you?

[JimBenArm]

The plane was flown to the AA maintenance facility in Kansas City and used for spare parts for other planes. Also, the passengers were used as slave labor in the engine rebuild shop. I know this is true because I've seen planes there, and there are people there I don't know. The pieces you found at the Pentagon were from yet another plane that was crashed into the Pentagon after it flew UNDER the Citgo on its return trip from Uranus.

[twinstead]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane. Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?

What is sad, and delightfully funny, is the very thought that some rabid conspiracy theorist like yourself would be placated if a few more pieces of the plane were presented personally to you via Fed-ex.

Dude. You're an ideologue. This isn't about plane parts, or any kind of evidence for you. Your righteous demand of 'more plane parts' is a rhetorical trick. It's almost as if you think we've never seen this before.

[DGM]

Dude. You're an ideologue. This isn't about plane parts, or any kind of evidence for you. Your righteous demand of 'more plane parts' is a rhetorical trick. It's almost as if you think we've never seen this before.

Your exactly right. How hard would it be to fake a pile of plane parts, especially considering all the rest of the crap that was supposedly planted. It's like the issue of WMD in Iraq, The Bush clan could pull off all of 9/11 undetected but couldn't plant a couple cases of anthrax. :boggled:

[D Dub]

Because you claim to know what happened. Based on what?

a large body of evidence...

[UNLoVedRebel]

Wow! This thread really took off. The moderator who split it is a genius for seeing the topic that is not resolved by the debunkers.And the split thread "The FDR is not part of the plane" is still one of life's great mysteries.

[Björn Toulouse]

Why? Why the hell are you here? Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?

Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it.




I have been doing research but the FAA will not release serial numbers for the planes.

Also because no one can show verifiable proof that the wreakage (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4746101&postcount=1553)is from AA77.




You have no evidence at all that 1,000 people had acces to the wreakage (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4728809&postcount=941). Stop the lies.

You have no evidnece that the wreakage found belongs to AA77. Stop the lies.



Pleased as Punch to see that the two of you are on the same page re: this matter.

[WildCat]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane. Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?
Do you think they needed 100% of the body to identify it? If not, why do you think they need 100% of the plane?

[carlitos]

Pleased as Punch to see that the two of you are on the same page re: this matter.

I noticed this as well. Probably a coincidence.

This photo of wreckage on Pentagon lawn[/URL] was not hard to find. I googled "flight 77 wreckage" and ignored the conspiracy sites. Maybe you can't find it because you are spelling it "wreakage?"

...

We had another poster that made this same mistake (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4746101&postcount=1553). Perhaps it's a common error. ;)

[MIKILLINI]

That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

You shout from the rooftops: "NO NO NO THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! I BELIEVE THEM ANYWAY!". :rolleyes:

Sure, and after 8 years you haven't made any progress in finding any of flight 77's passengers alive.
Perhaps you can explain your skepticism to their families. :rolleyes:

[Grizzly Bear]

Complaints about not "finding enough of a plane", or "enough of a body" obviously indicates they've been living in a cave since the late 1980's. DNA identification has been used extensively for these reasons (http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BA/Use_of_DNA_Identification.php) since then after all.

And clearly we don't have to travel back very far concerning the matter of the lack of an identifiable plane after a major crash (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/15/iran.plane.crash/index.html). High speed crashes into reinforced concrete or soil at 2/3 the speed of sound is a devastating combination.

Shocking I know... This trend of people not knowing the history of forensics and arguing that no proper forensic investigations were carried out is really troubling...

[The_Librarian]

There is absolutely nothing funny about 9/11. Do you even know what it means to people who grew up in the area? Or actually lost people that they grew up with?

Can you show me a inventory of the plane debris recovered? That's it. That's all I ask. I think you can't answer debunker.

You are the one suggesting that we have to substantiate "our" story with physical evidence, even as we are not the official investigators. If you truly care, why don't you ask them?
More, you dare to remind us of the grief of the families of the victims, and yet you are the one castigating doubts about their demise. Your very question (where is flight 77?) suggests that you believe the passengers to be elsewhere. And that a lot of the witnesses, officials, and families are accomplices of a horrific, murderous hoax. And we are the insensitive ones?
And finally, you ask for the impossible: a 8-year old pile of debris, most of it no larger than a hand. Not pictures, not just a few pieces, but all of it. As if anyone would be willing and able to keep all of this junk that long.

I believe you know it. I believe you don't care about any of the victims or their relatives. I believe you just want to feel superior.

Prove me wrong. Explain to us why you have any doubt about Flight 77, or any other. Prove to us you care. Until then, I don't care about whatever you may be saying. And I think none of the JREF debunkers care either.

[dropzone]

Shocking I know... This trend of people not knowing the history of forensics and arguing that no proper forensic investigations were carried out is really troubling...Know too much about both to have followed them as career paths. However, I know at least one of the forensic anthropologists who identified the victims, and I absolutely loathe anybody who claims the people--their fellow human beings--who died there were really spirited away to some undefined imaginarium for some sort of permanent imprisonment. It sickens me.

[beachnut]

Why? Why the hell are you here? Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?

Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it. wreakage? No wonder you can't find the wreckage.
i love it when truthers debunk themselves waving their hands posting stupid statements of woo


a concealed part from 77, oops, used at trial. oh noes
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/77engine.jpg
How did you come up with this 77 delusion junk?

[George152]

[QUOTE=beachnut;5476320]wreakage? No wonder you can't find the wreckage.
i love it when truthers debunk themselves waving their hands posting stupid statements of woo

Some-one who can't spell wreckage is questioning the events of 911?

How is it that the less education they have the more certain they are of their claims ?

[Pardalis]

Because you claim to know what happened. Based on what?

I find the DNA evidence most compelling. It usually does the trick in any court of law.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/perdalis/barbdna_lge.jpg

You're welcome.

I think it's safe to conclude that the DNA of the passengers and crew found itself in the wreckage of the Pentagon by means of the plane they were in, which most likely crashed there, since the Pentagon is not equipped for a jet landing.

[twinstead]

I find the DNA evidence most compelling. It usually does the trick in any court of law.


Hold on, though. We all know that defense lawyers consistently get their clients off simply by claiming that the DNA evidence against them "could have been faked", right?

[Pardalis]

Hold on, though. We all know that defense lawyers consistently get their clients off simply by claiming that the DNA evidence against them "could have been faked", right?

Overruled. :p

[LashL]

Overruled. :p

With gavel, even. ;)


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/111034a06263058ea0.png (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16266)

[Grizzly Bear]

Know too much about both to have followed them as career paths. However, I know at least one of the forensic anthropologists who identified the victims, and I absolutely loathe anybody who claims the people--their fellow human beings--who died there were really spirited away to some undefined imaginarium for some sort of permanent imprisonment. It sickens me.

Hence why I hate getting too involved with this no-plane ****. Alot of these discussions trivialize the idea that it involved real people. The fact that the concept of DNA identification is a somehow new concept after being around for over 20 years now shows along with everything else how stupid this argument is :\

[ElMondoHummus]

Good God, this thread is stupid from the get-go. The convergence of evidence, from the electronic data encompassing radar data and the flight data recorders, DNA evidence, plane debris, and eyewitness statements all converge to confirm Flight 77's identity. And keep in mind that I'm naming classes of evidence, each of which contains myriad pieces of evidence.

The "evidence" for FL77's identity is not one single "smoking gun", but rather is a convergence of many large piles of evidence. For example: How many witness statements exist? The OP deserves little more than scorn and bare links as refutation:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
http://flight77.info/
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
http://www.mikejwilson.com/911/
... and this is all that is needed. Even though it's only a summary of some of the information, and even though more exists, it suffices. Enough said, close the thread.

[Algebra34]

Any you debunkers count up those plane parts yet? Parts? Debris? Wreckage? Wreakage?

Whatever ya got. Thanks!

[16.5]

Any you debunkers count up those plane parts yet? Parts? Debris? Wreckage? Wreakage?

Whatever ya got. Thanks!

You a No Planer Algebra? Why you asking us debunkers, champ?

Go ask the truthers, they think you guys are *********** idiots.

Thanks!

[AJM8125]

Any you debunkers count up those plane parts yet? Parts? Debris? Wreckage? Wreakage?

Whatever ya got. Thanks!

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2201

[Mangoose]

As dumb as this thread is, the "nose-out" thread is 200% dumber.

[Algebra34]

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=199&pictureid=2201

Nothing there. Next.

[AJM8125]

Nothing there. Next.

Have you even tried?

[Algebra34]

Have you even tried?

Yes. It said "Please listen to the following options."

For all inquiries regarding the amount of 9/11 plane wreckage accounted for, please hit S.O.L. on your touch-tone phone.

beep beep beep

Thank You

Then the line went dead.

I tried nine times. The same thing kept happening. So I came here to ask all of you geniuses.

For all inquiries regarding the amount of 9/11 plane wreckage accounted for, please hit S.O.L. on your touch-tone phone.

beep beep beep

'Thank You"

Then the line went dead.

I tried nine times. The same think kept happening. So I came here to ask all you geniuses.ses.

[AJM8125]

You expect us to help you when you won't help yourself? Pity.

[Mr.Herbert]

This is nothing but a thread created to bait and troll. Why anyone gives no-planer douche-bags like this any attention is beyond me.

[Algebra34]

This is nothing but a thread created to bait and troll. Why anyone gives no-planer douche-bags like this any attention is beyond me.

Actually this thread was created by a moderator with a split. I didn't even write the title.

My title would have been...

How many 9/11 plane parts were accounted for and where is this accounting?

[TruthersLie]

Actually this thread was created by a moderator with a split. I didn't even write the title.

My title would have been...

How many 9/11 plane parts were accounted for and where is this accounting?

And the simple reply would be, do your own reseach.

Contact AA and United and ask them what happened to the debris and wreckage.

I'm sure with those great investagoogling skills it would be a matter of minutes to find it out.

Did you have a nice break?

[Algebra34]

And the simple reply would be, do your own reseach.

Contact AA and United and ask them what happened to the debris and wreckage.

I'm sure with those great investagoogling skills it would be a matter of minutes to find it out.

Did you have a nice break?

Hi Trutherslie! So you don't know. Yeah I already knew that.

[TruthersLie]

Hi Trutherslie! So you don't know. Yeah I already knew that.

HI Algebra.

I contacted them several months ago. I ran down the contacts they gave me. It took about 2 hours of my time and I finally got an email address to send my questions to.

I did, and <gasp> they wrote me back with information about the debris of flight 77.

And no, I won't give you the email, nor the contact information <as you won't believe it anyways, or claim it is a lie>. You are an internet commando for da twoof... the least you can do is run down the information.

[tsig]

Any you debunkers count up those plane parts yet? Parts? Debris? Wreckage? Wreakage?

Whatever ya got. Thanks!

Yep. There are 5280 parts more than one meter squared just of the fuselage and wings alone. When you add in the 32 feet cubed of the wheels, engines and dead bodies you can calculate that we have found 911% of the aircraft.

[Algebra34]

Yep. There are 5280 parts more than one meter squared just of the fuselage and wings alone. When you add in the 32 feet cubed of the wheels, engines and dead bodies you can calculate that we have found 911% of the aircraft.

Yep. That's what I thought you would say.

[tsig]

Yes. It said "Please listen to the following options."

For all inquiries regarding the amount of 9/11 plane wreckage accounted for, please hit S.O.L. on your touch-tone phone.

beep beep beep

Thank You

Then the line went dead.

I tried nine times. The same thing kept happening. So I came here to ask all of you geniuses.

For all inquiries regarding the amount of 9/11 plane wreckage accounted for, please hit S.O.L. on your touch-tone phone.

beep beep beep

'Thank You"

Then the line went dead.

I tried nine times. The same think kept happening. So I came here to ask all you geniuses.ses.

The wait was to make sure we could trace your line. Now with your phone number, your home address, your email address,your physical description , license plate number and your great grand mothers maiden name we may be able to send you a birthday card.

Yours in paranoia
The NWO

Our motto: If you look and do not see us, listen but do not hear us, there we are.

[tsig]

HI Algebra.

I contacted them several months ago. I ran down the contacts they gave me. It took about 2 hours of my time and I finally got an email address to send my questions to.

I did, and <gasp> they wrote me back with information about the debris of flight 77.

And no, I won't give you the email, nor the contact information <as you won't believe it anyways, or claim it is a lie>. You are an internet commando for da twoof... the least you can do is run down the information.

He's not looking for the Truth, he wants to spread it.

[Algebra34]

The wait was to make sure we could trace your line. Now with your phone number, your home address, your email address,your physical description , license plate number and your great grand mothers maiden name we may be able to send you a birthday card.

Yours in paranoia
The NWO

Our motto: If you look and do not see us, listen but do not hear us, there we are.

Man oh man. You guys are good. How the hell is a traitor, double agent, insurgent, evil doer, suppose to make a livin anyhow?

SHHHHH!

I just heard something under my bed.

Is that you?

[TruthersLie]

I think DebunkersLie.

And I think you are full of crap. But hey at least one of us is right.

What are you so afraid of that you can't just write to them and ASK what was recovered? Other than you won't believe it... because they must be in on it...

tsk tsk tsk.

[Sam.I.Am]

If you look and do not see us, listen but do not hear us, there we are.

Wow, I guess I really am a long time member of the NWO...

[TruthersLie]

If you suspect any wrong doing here TruthersLie you should report it to the moderators. You do know you can do that don't you?

BTW it's not nice to make light of domestic violence. Check yourself on that, will ya?

Now back to the topic. Do you have any evidence as to the accounting of all of the plane debris recovered on 9/11?

You mean other than the email I have from a representative of American Airlines and of United airlines who stated where the debris were taken and what happened to them?

NO.

But again, I don't need them. When
1. All of the passengers on the jets DNA ends up in a building
2. pieces of said jet end up in the building
3. witnesses saw said jet strike the building

it is called a convergence of evidence... which is overwhelming.

<beechnut> after 8 years of failed science, this is what you have? I have rocks smarter than that in my garden </beechnut>

[MIKILLINI]

Now back to the topic. Do you have any evidence as to the accounting of all of the plane debris recovered on 9/11?

What have you found so far? Anything?

[Arus808]

I tried nine times. The same think kept happening. So I came here to ask all you geniuses.ses.


You might wanna try from a touch tone phone instead of those that you have to manually dial.

[tsig]

Wow, I guess I really am a long time member of the NWO...

We have many agents that even we are not aware of. Just check your emails, the ones that are not there are from us.

[Cuddles]

Several posts sent to AAH. Please remain on topic and avoid personal attacks and bickering.

[DGM]

Nothing there. Next.
The best way to get answers from AA is not on the phone. You need to go through the run around of email in cooperate customer relations. After about a dozen back and fourths you will eventually get the answers you want (probably not what YOU want).

Remember, patience and tact is your friend

[Algebra34]

Well isn't this sad and pathetic? Me the skeptic of the OCT asks for the evidence of this OCT, and all I am told is to go and find it on my own.

Some official conspiracy theorists claim to have an accounting of all the plane parts recovered but can't show this accounting. They can supposedly. They just refuse. Riiight.

You know what? I'm calling bluff. No debunker here or anywhere has any idea just how much plane wreckage was recovered. This is now proven.

[TexasJack]

Well isn't this sad and pathetic? Me the skeptic of the OCT asks for the evidence of this OCT, and all I am told is to go and find it on my own.

Some official conspiracy theorists claim to have an accounting of all the plane parts recovered but can't show this accounting. They can supposedly. They just refuse. Riiight.

You know what? I'm calling bluff. No debunker here or anywhere has any idea just how much plane wreckage was recovered. This is now proven.

Why is an accounting of all the plane parts so important to you? Are you a no-planer? Do you not believe in the DNA evidence? Do you not believe in the eye witness testimony? Let me ask you, what happened to the planes? The people? It is simply idiotic if you don't think they crashed in to the towers and in Shanksville. And if it's so important to you, go find out yourself.

[Redtail]

Well isn't this sad and pathetic? Me the skeptic of the OCT asks for the evidence of this OCT, and all I am told is to go and find it on my own.

All that's been given to you, you have ignored thus logic says the only way for you to believe it is to find it yourself.

Some official conspiracy theorists claim to have an accounting of all the plane parts recovered but can't show this accounting. They can supposedly. They just refuse. Riiight.
We can we just won't.

You know what? I'm calling bluff. No debunker here or anywhere has any idea just how much plane wreckage was recovered. This is now proven.

This is wrong. Why are you afraid to contact AA?

[beachnut]

... Me the skeptic ...

Some official conspiracy theorists claim... Riiight.

You know what? I'm calling bluff. No debunker here or anywhere has any idea just how much plane wreckage was recovered. This is now proven.
You are not a skeptic, you repeat lies and delusions. Not a skeptic, you have no evidence to prove you are. very sad

Their is no official conspiracy theory. There is the fact 19 terrorists killed 8 pilots, crew-members, and innocent civilians and you support the terrorists by supporting lies made up using hearsay, lies and delusions.

You have only proved you are not a skeptic of the lies of 911 truth.

If you had evidence you would have a Pulitzer Prize; you failed.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5491185#post5491185

Evidence for 77... where are you that knowledge eludes you?

[Algebra34]

Why is an accounting of all the plane parts so important to you? Are you a no-planer?

Not necessarily.

Do you not believe in the DNA evidence?

DNA? I'm asking about the plane.

Do you not believe in the eye witness testimony?

I'm asking about the plane.

Let me ask you, what happened to the planes?

That's what I want to know.

The people?

I think they are dead.

It is simply idiotic if you don't think they crashed in to the towers and in Shanksville. And if it's so important to you, go find out yourself.

You are either misunderstanding what I am asking for or you are avoiding it. Some of your friends here claimed to have the info I am looking for. Don't you believe they have it?

[beachnut]

RADAR data alone proves 77 impacted the Pentagon.

77 crashed into the Pentagon. Who is unable to grasp this fact?

Multiple RADAR sites. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5491185#post5491185

[Algebra34]

RADAR data alone proves 77 impacted the Pentagon.

77 crashed into the Pentagon. Who is unable to grasp this fact?

Multiple RADAR sites. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5491185#post5491185

Where is the inventory of the wreckage recovered beachnut? Is it a secret?

[TexasJack]

Not necessarily.



So you are just going to ignore all evidence. That's your problem. You don't need an accounting of all the plane parts to know what happened. Again, why so this important to you?

[Algebra34]

So you are just going to ignore all evidence. That's your problem. You don't need an accounting of all the plane parts to know what happened. Again, why so this important to you?

All what evidence Jack? Some of your friends here insinuated they asked the airlines and know exactly what was recovered. Do you not believe them?

This is pathetic. Do you guys just wait for me to log out or get suspended to spout off?

I'm here right now. Own me.

[TexasJack]

All what evidence Jack? Some of your friends here insinuated they asked the airlines and know exactly what was recovered. Do you not believe them?

This is pathetic. Do you guys just wait for me to log out or get suspended to spout off?

I'm here right now. Own me.

The DNA etc, you don't need all the plane parts. Why do you need all the plane parts? Why is this so important? You have DNA, phone calls, radar telling you that this is where the planes crashed, and you choose to ignore it. And nobody can understand why.

[beachnut]

All what evidence ...
I'm here right now. Own me.
You were owned 8 years ago when RADAR sites recorded the path of 77. You are pure failure spewing delusions based on idiotic opinions.

8 years of failure before you even started supporting lies. Pre-debunked.

Do you understand RADAR? No

What happened to your Pulitzer Prize winning evidence? The FDR proves you don't have a clue on this topic.

[Algebra34]

The DNA etc, you don't need all the plane parts. Why do you need all the plane parts? Why is this so important? You have DNA, phone calls, radar telling you that this is where the planes crashed, and you choose to ignore it. And nobody can understand why.

Don't bring up DNA/phones/witnesses/etc. We can talk about that later. I promise. Start the thread. I'll be there.

Here I want to know about the plane. How many parts were identified and inventoried? Do you not know?

Is it horrible to admit you don't know?

[carlitos]

Here I want to know about the plane. How many parts were identified and inventoried?
Why?

[TexasJack]

Don't bring up DNA/phones/witnesses/etc. We can talk about that later. I promise. Start the thread. I'll be there.

Here I want to know about the plane. How many parts were identified and inventoried? Do you not know?


Why?

[Algebra34]

Why?

Because that's why this thread was split by a moderstor. It's what I asked. And know debunker here has put up. And they never will. They just keep showing up with nothing. Just like you.

[carlitos]

No, really, why do you want to know?

Why is it important?

And, obviously, if it is important, why won't you go look for the information? This is odd. The other day, I wanted to know Ted Williams' lifetime batting average. So I looked it up. I wanted to know about Loose Change and their charitable donations. So I emailed them. Do you live in some place where you aren't allowed to communicate with real people outside of this forum?

[TexasJack]

Because that's why this thread was split by a moderstor. It's what I asked. And know debunker here has put up. And they never will. They just keep showing up with nothing. Just like you.

Sheesh. Why do want to know how many parts were identified and inventoried?

[tsig]

Because that's why this thread was split by a moderstor. It's what I asked. And know debunker here has put up. And they never will. They just keep showing up with nothing. Just like you.


why in the world would anybody on this board or anywhere else be responsible for finding you any information especially when we've seen it be spoon fed to you and watched you regurgitate it?

[AJM8125]

Post #107.

[Algebra34]

Debunkers don't have a plane. In fact they don't have any planes. Let's see the debris. Let's count it. Was this never done? Was 5% of the planes recovered? 50%? Whatever.

If you don't know debunkers just say it. Your mommies will still love you. You don't think it matters anyway, right? So say you don't know.

[Sam.I.Am]

Well at least you admit that you're the 'Special' sort of truther known as a no planer. That helps.

Bye HI.

[TexasJack]

Debunkers don't have a plane. In fact they don't have any planes. Let's see the debris. Let's count it. Was this never done? Was 5% of the planes recovered? 50%? Whatever.

If you don't know debunkers just say it. Your mommies will still love you. You don't think it matters anyway, right? So say you don't know.

So you still won't give a reason why it's important.

[Algebra34]

So you still won't give a reason why it's important.

It's physical evidense of the crime. Was it destroyed before it was accounted for? Do you know either way.

I want to know what you think you know and just how you think you know it.

[TexasJack]

It's physical evidense of the crime. Was it destroyed before it was accounted for? Do you know either way.

I want to know what you think you know and just how you think you know it.

So is the DNA, combined with all the other evidence, it isn't important to know how much, if it is to you go find out.

[Algebra34]

So is the DNA, combined with all the other evidence, it isn't important to know how much, if it is to you go find out.

Listen, I already told you. We can talk about DNA another time. In fact any time you like. I've never denied there were victims of 9/11. But DNA does not identify the plane. DNA identifies the victims.

I am talking about the plane. The plane has not been identified to this day on the ground or in the air for that matter.

If a plane was recovered I want to know how much and how the parts were linked to 77. The same thing for every other plane on 9/11. Now some debunkers here claim this was done. Or at least insinuate as much. Where is this accounting?

If it's not anywhere? Fine. If it doesn't mean anything to a debunker? Fine. Just don't pretend like you know it was done.

[TexasJack]

Listen, I already told you. We can talk about DNA another time. In fact any time you like. I've never denied there were victims of 9/11. But DNA does not identify the plane. DNA identifies the victims.


Planes don't have passengers? LOL. Of course it does, you just want to ignore it.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Listen, I already told you. We can talk about DNA another time. In fact any time you like. I've never denied there were victims of 9/11. But DNA does not identify the plane. DNA identifies the victims.

I am talking about the plane. The plane has not been identified to this day on the ground or in the air for that matter.

If a plane was recovered I want to know how much and how the parts were linked to 77. The same thing for every other plane on 9/11. Now some debunkers here claim this was done. Or at least insinuate as much. Where is this accounting?

If it's not anywhere? Fine. If it doesn't mean anything to a debunker? Fine. Just don't pretend like you know it was done.

"As the crashes of the four airliners on Tuesday are criminal acts, the FBI is the lead investigative agency and will release all information on the progress of the investigation. News media should direct questions on this investigation to the FBI’s press office at (202) 324-3691."


http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2001/010913.htm

"The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any
material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to
issue a report or open a public docket."
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA064&rpt=fa

[Algebra34]

"As the crashes of the four airliners on Tuesday are criminal acts, the FBI is the lead investigative agency and will release all information on the progress of the investigation. News media should direct questions on this investigation to the FBI’s press office at (202) 324-3691."


http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2001/010913.htm

"The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any
material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to
issue a report or open a public docket."
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA064&rpt=fa

So there is no accounting available to view of all the plane parts. Thank you Unloved.

Why do you debunkers keep posting? Does pretending to get the last word help you sleep?

[UNLoVedRebel]

So there is no accounting available to view of all the plane parts. Thank you Unloved.

Why do you debunkers keep posting? Does pretending to get the last word help you sleep?

As stated, the investigation was done by the FBI and the NTSB didn't release a public report. I gave you the number to inquire if you're interested. If you call them, I'm sure they'll give you a fat amount of information, and that should interest you.

[TokenMac]

Listen, I already told you. We can talk about DNA another time. In fact any time you like. I've never denied there were victims of 9/11. But DNA does not identify the plane. DNA identifies the victims.So you and I get on to a plane lets say flight 88, then flight 88 disappears, and there is a flaming hole in the side of a building with our DNA as well as wreckage of an airplane in it, would it not be smart to assume that it could be flight 88?

I am talking about the plane. The plane has not been identified to this day on the ground or in the air for that matter.Really?

If a plane was recovered I want to know how much and how the parts were linked to 77. The same thing for every other plane on 9/11.DNA, eyewitnesses, Radar, FDR, CVR, ETC

Now some debunkers here claim this was done. Or at least insinuate as much. Where is this accounting? American Airlines right next to DFW International. If you're ever in town I could give you directions.

If it's not anywhere? Fine. If it doesn't mean anything to a debunker? Fine. Just don't pretend like you know it was done.
Just as soon as you stop pretending that you care where the "plane" is. This is all about you trying to prove to that the debunkers don't know every single little thing, like we ever claimed that we did.

[Algebra34]

So you and I get on to a plane lets say flight 88, then flight 88 disappears, and there is a flaming hole in the side of a building with our DNA as well as wreckage of an airplane in it, would it not be smart to assume that it could be flight 88?

Really?

DNA, eyewitnesses, Radar, FDR, CVR, ETC

American Airlines right next to DFW International. If you're ever in town I could give you directions.


Just as soon as you stop pretending that you care where the "plane" is. This is all about you trying to prove to that the debunkers don't know every single little thing, like we ever claimed that we did.

Don't cry. Identify the plane or say you can't.

[TokenMac]

Don't cry. Identify the plane or say you can't.

DNA, eyewitnesses, Radar, FDR, CVR, ETC

American Airlines right next to DFW International. If you're ever in town I could give you directions.

[Algebra34]

Breach of Mod Warning & Membership Agreement removed.

[TokenMac]

snip..

Now would you like to talk about 9/11 anytime soon? Probably not. huh debunker?

Did you forget the number that fast? (202) 324-3691

[beachnut]

...
Now would you like to talk about 9/11 anytime soon? Probably not. huh debunker?
Where is your evidence against the DNA, FDR, multiple RADAR sites, witnesses, physics evidence, knocked down lampposts and more?

Your dog ate the evidence? Why are you evidence free?

[WildCat]

Where is the inventory of the wreckage recovered beachnut? Is it a secret?
Why would they inventory the wreckage? Was a mechanical failure suspected?

[Algebra34]

Why would they inventory the wreckage? Was a mechanical failure suspected?

So it isn't anywhere to be found? It wasn't done right debunker?

Come on you can say it.

Why don't you debunkers just count up all the parts seen in your unsourced photographs and tell me what you got then?

I mean what else have you got? Count it up for me. Let me know.

[Redtail]

So it isn't anywhere to be found? It wasn't done right debunker?

Come on you can say it.

Why don't you debunkers just count up all the parts seen in your unsourced photographs and tell me what you got then?

I mean what else have you got? Count it up for me. Let me know.

Why are you afraid to contact AA?

[TokenMac]

So it isn't anywhere to be found? It wasn't done right debunker?So you are a no-planer.

Why don't you debunkers just count up all the parts seen in your unsourced photographs and tell me what you got then?

I mean what else have you got? Count it up for me. Let me know.

Why, don't you know how to count?

But what I really want to know is why won't you just do the work yourself, are your e-mail accounts down, is your phone off, do you not like Texas or are you just being lazy?

[beachnut]

Listen, I already told you. We can talk about DNA another time. In fact any time you like. I've never denied there were victims of 9/11. But DNA does not identify the plane. DNA identifies the victims.

... Are you posting idiotic ideas on purpose?
The DNA does identify the plane. The DNA positively identifies the plane because the passengers got on 77 and were tracked on multiple RADAR sites to the Pentagon.

Not a big fan of Sherlock Holmes; Please explain how DNA arrived in the Pentagon with the bodies exposed to the exact fire from a jet impact, and the bodies damage exactly as they would be in a kinetic energy impact of 2,480,000,000 joules. Got physics? I doubt it.

The passengers who boarded flight 77 were found in the Pentagon after flight 77 was seen impacting the Pentagon. If there was doubt about 77's identity the Passenger DNA would solve the issue. But for rational people there is no doubt 77 impacted the Pentagon.

If you had evidence you could move out of the failed people who have delusions into the real world.

[Algebra34]

How is plane debris DNA identified? Can any debunker show that this has ever been done in the history of mankind nevermind for 9/11? And if you are going to claim this was done for 9/11? Then I'll need to see the record of the DNA identification of the plane debris.

Thanks.

[beachnut]

DNA, eyewitnesses, Radar, FDR, CVR, ETC

American Airlines right next to DFW International. If you're ever in town I could give you directions.
Evidence is not used to form his/her idiotic delusions. It must be too hard to investigate the FDR and RADAR data.

[BCR]

How is plane debris DNA identified? Can any debunker show that this has ever been done in the history of mankind nevermind for 9/11? And if you are going to claim this was done for 9/11? Then I'll need to see the record of the DNA identification of the plane debris.

Thanks.

Algebra, at the risk of getting the mods upset, let me say this. If you have any evidence that it was not AAL77 which took off from Dulles, then conclusively it was AAL77 that hit the Pentagon. Because the plane that was cleared by controllers at Dulles that morning can be tracked the entire way and that is just how it is. So without any evidence to the contrary, you are just talking trash.

[TokenMac]

How is plane debris DNA identified? Can any debunker show that this has ever been done in the history of mankind nevermind for 9/11? And if you are going to claim this was done for 9/11? Then I'll need to see the record of the DNA identification of the plane debris.

Thanks.
DNA was not the only thing used to ID the flights.

[MIKILLINI]

Did you forget the number that fast? (202) 324-3691

He is ignoring that number for some reason. Perhaps he's afraid of the FBI.

[Pardalis]

How is plane debris DNA identified? Can any debunker show that this has ever been done in the history of mankind nevermind for 9/11? And if you are going to claim this was done for 9/11? Then I'll need to see the record of the DNA identification of the plane debris.

Thanks.

http://www.ukfssart.org.uk/files/pentagon%20report.PDF
http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml
A multidisciplinary team of more than 50 forensic specialists, scientists, and support personnel from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, with headquarters at Walter Reed, played a major role in Operation Noble Eagle investigations, officials said.
[...]
At autopsy, forensic pathologists determined the cause and manner of death, aided by forensic anthropologist Dr. William C. Rodriguez in determining the race, sex, and stature of victims. A board-certified epidemiologist managed the tracking system for data collected during the autopsy process, and tissue samples were collected for DNA identification and further toxicology studies. Forensic photographers, essential to any forensic investigation, documented injuries and personal effects. Mortuary specialists then embalmed, dressed, and casketed remains prior to release to next-of-kin.
[...]
Teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County crash as well. Every one of the organization's 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, logistics staff, and administrative personnel were involved -- from collecting, tracking, analyzing DNA samples, and gathering and logging DNA reference material to preparing DNA reports. For 18 days following the terrorist attacks, AFDIL employees worked on 12-hour shifts, seven days a week to meet the mission requirements.

[carlitos]

Debunkers don't have a plane. In fact they don't have any planes. Let's see the debris. Let's count it. Was this never done? Was 5% of the planes recovered? 50%? Whatever.

If you don't know debunkers just say it. Your mommies will still love you. You don't think it matters anyway, right? So say you don't know.

I also don't have pieces of the Titanic. Or a moon rock. So?

[dtugg]

I also don't have pieces of the Titanic. Or a moon rock. So?

Obviously, there was no such ship as the Titanic and there is no such thing as the moon.

[atecom]

The blip identified as flight 77 disappeared from Radar, and at the spot the blip disappeared, plane wreckage was found. With the standards of evidence the truth movement places on identifying these planes, they should be skeptics of every plane crash in the world, since very few would meet the standards of evidence they require for 9/11.

[MIKILLINI]

How is plane debris DNA identified? Can any debunker show that this has ever been done in the history of mankind nevermind for 9/11? And if you are going to claim this was done for 9/11? Then I'll need to see the record of the DNA identification of the plane debris.

Thanks.

Like most twoofers, you remain obtuse. Ignoring procedures on how evidence is collected makes you ignorant of facts.

[Arus808]

also seeing that the only missing planes on 9/11/2001 are the 4 that crashed into the towers, shanksville and the pentagon, i doubt the airlines would remain quiet about any other missing planes on that day.

[George152]

I've come across a new '77 didn't happen.
Evidently there's a simulation of the crash out there and a particularly silly kook is using it as evidence that 77 didn't hit the Pentagon.
Why?
Well it appears that the tail on the sim doesn't drop off and the engines stay on the wings.

Gobsmackingly stupid!

[doobiedoright]

Because that's why this thread was split by a moderstor. It's what I asked. And know debunker here has put up. And they never will. They just keep showing up with nothing. Just like you.

Do English much?

[doobiedoright]

Listen, I already told you. We can talk about DNA another time. In fact any time you like. I've never denied there were victims of 9/11. But DNA does not identify the plane. DNA identifies the victims.

I am talking about the plane. The plane has not been identified to this day on the ground or in the air for that matter.

If a plane was recovered I want to know how much and how the parts were linked to 77. The same thing for every other plane on 9/11. Now some debunkers here claim this was done. Or at least insinuate as much. Where is this accounting?

If it's not anywhere? Fine. If it doesn't mean anything to a debunker? Fine. Just don't pretend like you know it was done.



This is almost word for word with ultima1.......interesting!

[carlitos]

This is almost word for word with ultima1.......interesting!


Have you seen all of the wreakage from all four flights DGM?


I have been doing research but the FAA will not release serial numbers for the planes.

Also because no one can show verifiable proof that the wreakage is from AA77.

All a complete coincidence I'm sure (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5471147&postcount=36).

[dropzone]

Like most twoofers, you remain obtuse. Ignoring procedures on how evidence is collected makes you ignorant of facts.Being called obtuse (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Obtuseness) is not a compliment, but it's appropriate. I'd add that Algebra is willfully (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/willful) ignorant. And, considering the number of times Algebra has been beaten over the head with facts, I lean toward the second definition. He appears to be deliberately ignorant.

[TruthersLie]

Well isn't this sad and pathetic? Me the skeptic of the OCT asks for the evidence of this OCT, and all I am told is to go and find it on my own.

Some official conspiracy theorists claim to have an accounting of all the plane parts recovered but can't show this accounting. They can supposedly. They just refuse. Riiight.

You know what? I'm calling bluff. No debunker here or anywhere has any idea just how much plane wreckage was recovered. This is now proven.

again and again. piss poor reading for comprehension skills. I never said I had a "accounting of ALL the plane parts." But I did say that if you contact AA they can easily answer any reasonable questions about 1. what was recovered, 2. where it was recovered, 3. how much of it was recovered, 4. what they have done with it.

Boy oh boy ... I mean with those investagoogling skillz you should be able to uncover that on your own can't you?

and with your nice break, you have the time to do so.

[carlitos]

That is a good suggestion. Algebra34, take the hour or so per day you were posting here, each workday of your suspension, and spend it contacting AA and see what you get. Then, upon your triumphant return to JREF, you can tell us. Just imagine - you could say "ha! they refused to tell me" and show your emails. Or - "Ha! they only found x%." Either way, what are you afraid of?

[Algebra34]

So where is it? Anyone find it and count it up yet?

[DGM]

So where is it? Anyone find it and count it up yet?
Did you have a chance during your vacation to contact American airlines?

[Arus808]

So where is it? Anyone find it and count it up yet?


Why dont you contact them?

[Algebra34]

Did you have a chance during your vacation to contact American airlines?

Actually I found the thread with the debunker who claimed to do as much. AA didn't know.

NEXT

[DGM]

Actually I found the thread with the debunker who claimed to do as much. AA didn't know.

NEXT
link please.

[TruthersLie]

So where is it? Anyone find it and count it up yet?

You had two full weeks to contact AA and UA. Did you even bother?

Didn't think so.

[Algebra34]

You had two full weeks to contact AA and UA. Did you even bother?

Didn't think so.

I know that UA, AA, or any debunker for that matter doesn't know how much debris exactly was recovered from any of the flights, nor can they point anyone to the evidense of it. I know this for a fact. If I am lying then prove me a liar

It is what debunkers are suppose to do isn't it?

[TruthersLie]

I know that UA, AA, or any debunker for that matter doesn't know how much debris exactly was recovered from any of the flights, nor can they point anyone to the evidense of it. I know this for a fact. If I am lying then prove me a liar

It is what debunkers are suppose to do isn't it?

No, No, No. Bad truther.

You are the one making the claims that flight 77 didn't impact the pentagon. Great. You are then trying to use the "show me the physical evidence" card. I fully accept 95% or so of the common narrative. As such, you are making the claim, so you need to provide the proof.

So please prove that there is no list, no catalogue, no parts stored.

ARe you really that intellectually lazy? So then you didn't bother to contact AA, UA or anyone else to find out what was found, where it was found, and what happened to the debris. Is that correct?

[16.5]

I know that UA, AA, or any debunker for that matter doesn't know how much debris exactly was recovered from any of the flights, nor can they point anyone to the evidense of it. I know this for a fact. If I am lying then prove me a liar

It is what debunkers are suppose to do isn't it?

Welcome back! Did you see that CIT was proven to have been deceptive about Paik?

To answer your question, I am sorry your disbelief is not falsifiable.

As such, you will have to prove your claim.

Sorry, snark is way easier ain't it?

[Algebra34]

Welcome back! Did you see that CIT was proven to have been deceptive about Paik?

To answer your question, I am sorry your disbelief is not falsifiable.

As such, you will have to prove your claim.

Sorry, snark is way easier ain't it?

I'm sorry you have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

[vinniem]

Welcome back! Did you see that CIT was proven to have been deceptive about Paik?

To answer your question, I am sorry your disbelief is not falsifiable.

As such, you will have to prove your claim.

Sorry, snark is way easier ain't it?

Is it really too much to ask for a some proof of the flights?

Why did the NTSB absolve themselves of their duty to do a proper investigation? I don't care if the FBI barged in and said it was their responsibility. The NTSB should produce a proper report on this with serial number identification.

[Arus808]

Sorry, but where are we obligated to do anything for you. YOU were told how to find out. You had 2 weeks to do so.

Yes we can see that you are nothing more than another lazy truther.

[Arus808]

Is it really too much to ask for a some proof of the flights?

we have the proof. YOU ignore them. Not our problem

[Algebra34]

Welcome back! Did you see that CIT was proven to have been deceptive about Paik?

To answer your question, I am sorry your disbelief is not falsifiable.

As such, you will have to prove your claim.

Sorry, snark is way easier ain't it?

I'll tell ya what 16.5. If you don't have exactly? Why don't you show everyone what you do have? Is it really just a handful of unsourced photos?

Because that would be pathetic.

[Arus808]

I'll tell ya what 16.5. If you don't have exactly? Why don't you show everyone what you do have? Is it really just a handful of unsourced photos?

Because that would be pathetic.

please provide proof that the photos are unsourced. did you talk to the photographers who took the photos? Seems that the photos were good enough to use as evidence in a COURT CASE. or did you forget that Mossaoui was convicted based on evidence, that contained these "unsourced" photos.

[TruthersLie]

Is it really too much to ask for a some proof of the flights?

Why did the NTSB absolve themselves of their duty to do a proper investigation? I don't care if the FBI barged in and said it was their responsibility. The NTSB should produce a proper report on this with serial number identification.

Ummm.

The NTSB gets involved in examining accidents to determine what caused the accident. Gee... I wonder why those 4 jets crashed. Wow... Maybe they sucked in a bird... that is all I am saying.

Damn those NTSB folks for not doing their jobs.

(ranks right up there with your epic fail about the manhattan project doesn't it?)

[Algebra34]

I'm sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

I guess maybe you should report me now. lol

[Arus808]

I'm sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

Im sorry.. but where is your evidence? Seeing that we have debris, DNA, reports by the Forensic scientists, NTSB, the FBI and the 1000's of workers who worked on clean up at all the crash sites.

Guess you like to ignore reality

Have you contacted AA and UA?

[TruthersLie]

I'm sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

I guess maybe you should report me now. lol

So then you are too slothful and intellectually lazy to contact the airlines?

Wow...

It would only take about an hours worth of work... you know all that time you have wasted here. If you would have just written them a letter and asked them about the wreckage, you would have your answers by now.

Oh... I forgot, the airlines are in on it, so you can't trust anything they say either.

ROFLMAO.

did you have a nice break?

[16.5]

No Planers! No Planers at the pentagon,
argue their disbelief and then there is no plane.

No Planers, No planers at the pentagon,
pulled over the pentagon, and likely flew to Spain.

No Planers, No Planers, making up lies about what the locals saw
CIT claims they have video but we cannot see it raw.
Algie back from suspension ignores their major Fraud
although their lies are deep they are perhaps twice as Broad.

No Planers, No Planers, no plane at the Pentagon.

Hi No Planers!

[Algebra34]

No Planers! No Planers at the pentagon,
argue their disbelief and then there is no plane.

No Planers, No planers at the pentagon,
pulled over the pentagon, and likely flew to Spain.

No Planers, No Planers, making up lies about what the locals saw
CIT claims they have video but we cannot see it raw.
Algie back from suspension ignores their major Fraud
although their lies are deep they are perhaps twice as Broad.

No Planers, No Planers, no plane at the Pentagon.

Hi No Planers!

That makes no sense any way you see it.

[Algebra34]

So then you are too slothful and intellectually lazy to contact the airlines?

Wow...

It would only take about an hours worth of work... you know all that time you have wasted here. If you would have just written them a letter and asked them about the wreckage, you would have your answers by now.

Oh... I forgot, the airlines are in on it, so you can't trust anything they say either.

ROFLMAO.

did you have a nice break?

I really am sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

[16.5]

That makes no sense any way you see it.

See it?

No, ya GOTTA sing it!

NO PLAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSS SSS!

Thank You Cleveland!

Peace out!

[Algebra34]

See it?

No, ya GOTTA sing it!

NO PLAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSS SSS!

Thank You Cleveland!

Peace out!

Nope. It don't work. Because you don't want to get reported. It's a waste. Just like your debunking.

[TruthersLie]

I really am sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

Right.. in other words you are too much of an intellectual midget and ethical coward to directly contact the airlines and ask them directly. Got it.

The physical evidence is overwhelming.

Of course with that type of research, how do you know the great wall of china is real? Have YOU seen it with your eyes? Those photos must be fake. And how about the Eiffel Tower? Not tower can stand like that... it must be FAKE.

Massive argument from ignorance and incredulity. epic fail. Thank you for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts.

[ElMondoHummus]

Is it really too much to ask for a some proof of the flights?


Is it really that hard for you to find the:

Phone calls from passengers
Study of the radar data
Study of the few black boxes that were recovered
Video of the New York flights
Witness testimony of the New York and Pentagon impacts
Photos of debris
Honestly. Is it that hard for you to find that? And if it is, why are we to believe you are any sort of honest questioner or researcher of that event?


Why did the NTSB absolve themselves of their duty to do a proper investigation? I don't care if the FBI barged in and said it was their responsibility. The NTSB should produce a proper report on this with serial number identification.

It doesn't matter if you "don't care", nor whether your opinion is of NTSB's responsibility. The fact remains that hijackings are the FBI's venue, period. Regardless of what us citizens think.

Believe it or not, I too wish the NTSB had done a bit more myself; they produce knowledge for general aviation safety, and publish their information freely. The FBI, in contrast, must keep their findings under wraps, since their work might be used to prosecute terrorists if they're caught. But none of my own objections lead me to ignore what the division of responsibilities were. You shouldn't either. I'd love for the NTSB to have done their own study, if for nothing else than to shut you conspiracy advocates up. But they didn't. So we simply have to evaluate the evidence that does exist. And even without NTSB help, we still have enough to understand what happened that day.

So why the complaint? You really think the lack of an NTSB report is so damning it undoes everything we do know?

[16.5]

Nope. It don't work. Because you don't want to get reported. It's a waste. Just like your debunking.

I don't want to get reported?

What are you on mate?

Go ahead, sport, report my post.

Please?

No Planers, always good for a little bit of surrealism.

[Algebra34]

I don't want to get reported?

What are you on mate?

Go ahead, sport, report my post.

Please?

No Planers, always good for a little bit of surrealism.

Have fun with yourself. No pain no gain.

[TruthersLie]

Have fun with yourself. No pain no gain.

So then when are you going to contac the airlines and ask about the debris? You have been provided with the contact information.

Ok, heck I'll help you out.

Dear American Airlines.

I am a college student doing a research project for one of my humanities classes. In this course I chose to research the buildings of memorials relating to 9/11. One of my lines of inquiry was to check with the airlines to determine what happened to the debris and to see if any of those debris were going to be used in any momuments/memorials for 9/11.

Can you tell me (or forward this email to the correct person) what debris was recovered from flight 77? Where was it stored? And what has happened to it? Has any been used in any 9/11 memorials/monuments?

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely

xxxx

There you go algebra... feel free to use it. I will eagerly await the replies you get.

what are you waiting for? Send it off and see what comes back. It would only take you about 5 minutes of work. Or is it too tough for da internet commando for da twoof?

[16.5]

Have fun with yourself. No pain no gain.

I aha! I see it.

It is some kind of No Planer code right?

[Algebra34]

Is it really that hard for you to find the:
[LIST=1]
Phone calls from passengers
Study of the radar data
Study of the few black boxes that were recovered
Video of the New York flights
Witness testimony of the New York and Pentagon impacts
Photos of debris?

None of this is evidense of the plane debris or how much was recovered.

I am sorry debunkers don't know what was recovered and identified from any of the 9/11 planes. That's all I'm trying to say.

[TruthersLie]

None of this is evidense of the plane debris or how much was recovered.

I am sorry debunkers don't know what was recovered and identified from any of the 9/11 planes. That's all I'm trying to say.

and you have been pointed to where to go to find out this information. But you have refused to even bother to do it. That is all I'm saying.

And the exact count, number or catalogue of the parts of flight 77 (or flight 93) are NOT required to show that those jets crashed at the pentagon (and shanksville). it is called the totality of evidence which shows that flight 77 crashed there. That's all I'm saying.

[Luntoc]

Oh show us the damn plane already. Every piece that was discovered and accounted. This is so stupid.

Split from: 8 out of 8 at Citgo station (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=162245). If you don't belive the hundreds of witnesses, charred bodies, plane debris, DNA evidence, passenger artifacts, and the testimony of smelling fless and fuel, why would you believe a video? So you can say its a fake. Many in the movement already belive the videos of flights 11 and 175 didn't really hit the towers, why wouldn't they do the same with Flight 77? Sometimes, there is nothing to convince people otherwise.

[DGM]

I really am sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.
The fact you don't want to except the evidence does not mean it does not exist.

About your NTSB claim, It shows your utter lack of knowledge of the NTSB's purpose. Care to explain how they should have had a role in the recovery of the wreckage?

[JimBenArm]

I can't provide you any proof of any planes of 9/11. Therefore, there were no planes on 9/11.

Conspiracy proven!

[Algebra34]

I can't provide you any proof of any planes of 9/11. Therefore, there were no planes on 9/11.

Conspiracy proven!

No planer! What's wrong with you?

[JimBenArm]

No planer! What's wrong with you?
Yes, your mindless droning of stupid demands convinced me.

[DGM]

No planer! What's wrong with you?
It's funny you don't try to defend your BS NTSB claim.

[TruthersLie]

DGM. Algebra didn't make that claim. Vinnem did... unless they are the same person posting... But that would be a violation of the MA.

[aggle-rithm]

I really am sorry debunkers have no evidense of any of the 9/11 plane debris. That's all I was ever trying to say.

I'm sorry you have no evidense that you are a real person, and not a simple computer program.

A real person is capable of reasoning and learning. All I can see is the same claims repeated over and over, regardless of the input.

Can you link to a video that shows you are a real person?

[Algebra34]

I'm sorry you have no evidense that you are a real person, and not a simple computer program.

A real person is capable of reasoning and learning. All I can see is the same claims repeated over and over, regardless of the input.

Can you link to a video that shows you are a real person?

I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.

[thecritta]

Been scrapped already. Your 8 years too late. Sorry.

Just remember extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence got any?

Nope didnt think so.

[thecritta]

So then you are too slothful and intellectually lazy to contact the airlines?

Wow...

It would only take about an hours worth of work... you know all that time you have wasted here. If you would have just written them a letter and asked them about the wreckage, you would have your answers by now.

Oh... I forgot, the airlines are in on it, so you can't trust anything they say either.

ROFLMAO.

did you have a nice break?

Whats the point of phoning AA for example and asking them about the
remains of the four alledged aircraft that where hijacked and crashed on 911
as soon as they find out you are a truther thats it game over they will either just hang up the phone or wont answer your questions or keep you on hold for ever lol or say they know nothing about the recovery of the remains it's a pointless and futile exercise.

[DGM]

Just remember extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence got any?

Nope didnt think so.
Why did you post a question to me and then answer it yourself?

:p

[dafydd]

None of this is evidense of the plane debris or how much was recovered.

I am sorry debunkers don't know what was recovered and identified from any of the 9/11 planes. That's all I'm trying to say.

Give it up,you can't even spell the word evidence.

[vinniem]

Give it up,you can't even spell the word evidence.

Says the man who can't even put a space after a comma.:rolleyes:

[twinstead]

Who exactly are the ones making extraordinary claims, anyway? I would think claiming that all the evidence is faked is pretty extraordinary.

[vinniem]

Just came by to see if the "skeptics" have found any evidence that identifies Flight 77. Sursprise, surprise, they haven't.

Oh well, keep looking, you might find something in the end.

[thecritta]

Give it up,you can't even spell the word evidence.

Oh come on everyone mispells a word every now and then
gee and to think he should just give it up because he misspells
a letter in one word big flamin whoop

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[thecritta]

Just came by to see if the "skeptics" have found any evidence that identifies Flight 77. Sursprise, surprise, they haven't.

Oh well, keep looking, you might find something in the end.

Any evidence you say huh very highly flamin unlikely, just the
usual JREF rant and mental masturabation lol

[thecritta]

Says the man who can't even put a space after a comma.:rolleyes:

haha lol you got him good there this is really entertaining i love this.

:D:D:D

[dtugg]

Just came by to see if the "skeptics" have found any evidence that identifies Flight 77. Sursprise, surprise, they haven't.

Oh well, keep looking, you might find something in the end.

Yes nothing. Except for RADAR, the FDR, DNA, eyewitnesses, ect. Nothing at all. :rolleyes:

[thecritta]

Yes nothing. Except for RADAR, the FDR, DNA, eyewitnesses, ect. Nothing at all. :rolleyes:

Yeah but all bets are off for JREFIES finding any new evidence that supports
AA77 hitting the pentagon

[DGM]

Yeah but all bets are off for JREFIES finding any new evidence that supports
AA77 hitting the pentagon
Why would we need more then what we got?

[funk de fino]

Yeah but all bets are off for JREFIES finding any new evidence that supports
AA77 hitting the pentagon

Are you too dense to realise they do not need any new evidence?

There's mountains of it already. The morons in the 911 TM have to prove it did not and prove all the evidence it did is fake. Even the majority of the 911TM say the no planers are idiots.

PS - You are a JREFY too.

[TruthersLie]

Whats the point of phoning AA for example and asking them about the
remains of the four alledged aircraft that where hijacked and crashed on 911
as soon as they find out you are a truther thats it game over they will either just hang up the phone or wont answer your questions or keep you on hold for ever lol or say they know nothing about the recovery of the remains it's a pointless and futile exercise.

Ah... welcome back twoof.

You have proof of the murder of 3,000 people by the US government... one would think that you would bring it to the public by ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Instead of starting a phone call with
"you stupid spineless government shills, I demand to know where you have the remains of the FALSE FLAG terror attacks of 9/11" you might just want to ask real questions. It does wonders.

usually starting a conversation with "you stupid ugly muther****ers are too ignorant and inbred to be helpful" doesn't put things out on the right foot.

[twinstead]

thecritta our evidence is out there for all to see as a matter of public record. It is SUBSTANTIAL, no matter what you think. The defense rests. You have problems with this evidence? Show some evidence it's faked.

[TruthersLie]

Twin.

I would just be happy to see any truther present any type of simplified narrative which explained ANY part of 9/11. Yet all we ever see is.
da guvmint did it
da jews did it
da masons did it
da NWO
da illuminati
MOTHRA did it (oh wait, that is my pet theory).

They can't agree on HOW anything was done, WHO did it, WHY it was done.

I wish they would at least provide a simple who, what, when and how it was done. But that is too hard for scooby and the gang.

[thecritta]

Ah... welcome back twoof.

You have proof of the murder of 3,000 people by the US government... one would think that you would bring it to the public by ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Instead of starting a phone call with
"you stupid spineless government shills, I demand to know where you have the remains of the FALSE FLAG terror attacks of 9/11" you might just want to ask real questions. It does wonders.

usually starting a conversation with "you stupid ugly muther****ers are too ignorant and inbred to be helpful" doesn't put things out on the right foot.

I would start by asking them if they know what happened to the wreckage
of the plane what exactly was recovered where it was taken what is being done with it, whether any of the wreckage has been positively identified thats i wouldnt use the words you propose on lunatic would do that screaming insults down the phone at someone is not going to get any answers and normal person should know that and of course when making any enquiries over the phone one should be very polite but then again the people at the airline company would probably catch on or suspect you are a member of the truthmovement.

[TruthersLie]

Critta.

Then by all means make the phone call. Or use the email I posted for algebra. Feel free. Why haven't you already made that phone call? I did.

I even emailed them and <gasp> they responded to my inquiries. Feel free.

I eagerly await the information that they provide you. What are you waiting for? Or is it tooooooo hard to do? (or does mom not allow you to use the phone for long distance calls?)

ETA: Now you should just get the AA contact us # and ask anything about how much was recovered and positively identified. You should ask who you need to speak to concerning the events of the crashing of flight 77 and that you have some more detailed quesitons you would like to ask. Then call that person. Or email them.

[AJM8125]

I would start by asking them if they know what happened to the wreckage
of the plane what exactly was recovered where it was taken what is being done with it, whether any of the wreckage has been positively identified thats i wouldnt use the words you propose on lunatic would do that screaming insults down the phone at someone is not going to get any answers and normal person should know that and of course when making any enquiries over the phone one should be very polite but then again the people at the airline company would probably catch on or suspect you are a member of the truthmovement.

:confused:

Anyone want a crack at this? I think he's whining about truthers not being bright enough to have a civilized conversation or something.

Then of course, email would seem to be a solution for those who can write...

[DGM]

I would start by asking them if they know what happened to the wreckage
of the plane what exactly was recovered where it was taken what is being done with it, whether any of the wreckage has been positively identified thats i wouldnt use the words you propose on lunatic would do that screaming insults down the phone at someone is not going to get any answers and normal person should know that and of course when making any enquiries over the phone one should be very polite but then again the people at the airline company would probably catch on or suspect you are a member of the truthmovement.
I'm going to help you find the answers to the questions you seek (I feel generous today).

By using this link and contacting those involved you will find your answers.

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

Now, do you really want to know the truth?

[leftysergeant]

Yeah but all bets are off for JREFIES finding any new evidence that supports
AA77 hitting the pentagon

We have photos of wing marks on the facade of the Pentagon, eyewitness accounts of an aircraft hitting the facade, the FDR and CVR from an aircraft identified as hijacked, DNA of reported passengers and unknown persons presumed to be hijackers, video of something about the size of an aircraft moving toward the Pentagon at or about 450 MPH just prior to the formation of a fireball that could only have been created by several thousand gallons of liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and we have photos of identifiable aircraft parts on the lawn in front of the building.

Let me tell you something about salvaging aircraft parts from a crash scene. They are retained only if they have evidenciary value in on-going investigations.

To this end, the aircraft parts other than the black boxes were of no value. Why on earth would anybody retain them? Why would anybody expect a bunch of sociopaths and criminals and domestic terrorists to start shrieking, a year or more after the scrap had been disposed of, that there was something fishy?

Now, let's deal with things that exist in this time/space continuum.

[thecritta]

We have photos of wing marks on the facade of the Pentagon, eyewitness accounts of an aircraft hitting the facade, the FDR and CVR from an aircraft identified as hijacked, DNA of reported passengers and unknown persons presumed to be hijackers, video of something about the size of an aircraft moving toward the Pentagon at or about 450 MPH just prior to the formation of a fireball that could only have been created by several thousand gallons of liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and we have photos of identifiable aircraft parts on the lawn in front of the building.

Let me tell you something about salvaging aircraft parts from a crash scene. They are retained only if they have evidenciary value in on-going investigations.

To this end, the aircraft parts other than the black boxes were of no value. Why on earth would anybody retain them? Why would anybody expect a bunch of sociopaths and criminals and domestic terrorists to start shrieking, a year or more after the scrap had been disposed of, that there was something fishy?

Now, let's deal with things that exist in this time/space continuum.

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

[JimBenArm]

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?
Of course it is. That's what makes it suspect. If it didn't fit with what really happened, then we'd have evidence of, uhm, something? Yeah, that's it, something!

[TruthersLie]

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

I have a feeling you have never served on jury duty. Nor taken any type of public debate course, nor ever done a mock trial. Pity. All three would show you exactly how piss poor your arguments are.

[Dave Rogers]

Right and let me guess all of this evidence is just soo consistent with what we have been told right?

Yes, and that reveals why conspiracy theorist thinking is fundamentally broken. Conspiracy theorists demand a full explanation of every detail of the events of the day within a single consistent theory. If there are any fine details that appear not to be well explained, they will use these as a pretext to reject the entire explanation. If there are no fine details that appear not to be well enough explained, they will argue that no historical event can possibly be understood in such fine detail, and will therefore reject the explanation as an obvious fabrication. They therefore have no suitable tools with which to assess the validity of an explanation, hence their preference between explanations is entirely uncorrelated to their validity. When they're right, it's only by chance; when they're wrong, they have no way of knowing it.

Dave