Israeli Knesset to vote on Loyaly Oath for MKs

[Thunder]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139374.html

I am going to assume that this racist law will not pass.

If I was a non-Jewish MK, I would find such an oath highly offensive.

The current oath, requires all MKs to swear loyalty to the laws of the State of Israel. That should be sufficient.

The point of this new oath, is to force non-Jews to swear acceptance to Israel being a Jewish state.

The current oath is fine. The new oath will lead the Israeli parliament to be Gentile-free. Is this the ultimate goal?

[Skeptic]

I am going to assume that this racist law will not pass.

Well, it is a reaction to statements by certain Arab MPs that the state of Israel is illegitimate and its destruction is to be wished for, as well as one Arab MP (Baraka) actually being a spy for Hizbullah who fled the country.

I don't like this law at all, but you'd think supporting a genocidal terrorist organization or wishing one's (official) country destroyed since it has some nasty Jews in it is rather more racist, but naturally, you had nothing to say about that.

[Thunder]

I don't like this law at all, but you'd think supporting a genocidal terrorist organization or wishing one's (official) country destroyed since it has some nasty Jews in it is rather more racist, but naturally, you had nothing to say about that.

is everything you say, a strawman?

kinda seems that way lately.

[The Fool]

Well, it is a reaction to statements by certain Arab MPs that the state of Israel is illegitimate and its destruction is to be wished for, as well as one Arab MP (Baraka) actually being a spy for Hizbullah who fled the country.

I don't like this law at all, but you'd think supporting a genocidal terrorist organization or wishing one's (official) country destroyed since it has some nasty Jews in it is rather more racist, but naturally, you had nothing to say about that.

why don't you like this law?

[Thunder]

this law is another fascist creation of Lieberman and his neo-fascist buddies. they want to embarrass and demoralize non-Jewish MKs.

if this law passes, (which is likely won't), it would force the Knesset to become Gentile-free, (Goyimrein).


hell, if I was not a Jew, I would rather quit then say this disgusting "loyalty oath".

[Arcade22]

if this law passes, (which is likely won't), it would force the Knesset to become Gentile-free, (Goyimrein).

How exactly do you figure that?

I like this law! We Swedes could use something like it. It would definitively clean up parliament of traitors!

[Darat]

It would appear that the originator of this motion believes that magic spells actually work.

[The Fool]

How exactly do you figure that?

I like this law! We Swedes could use something like it. It would definitively clean up parliament of traitors!
Traitors can't take oaths of loyalty? Why not?

[Darat]

Magic!

[Moss]

Why do you all suppose it's a magic thing? I suspect it's more along the lines of being able to prosecute any statements that go against the oath.
And yes, that change of oath is not very fair or nice to the non-Jewish Israelis.

[NYer]

I see no problem with loyalty oaths. Citizens of a state should be loyal to it.

[Thunder]

I see no problem with loyalty oaths. Citizens of a state should be loyal to it.

the Israeli Knesset already had a pledge of allegiance to the laws of the State of Israel. that is sufficient.

non-Jewish MKs should not be compelled to pledge loyalty to the Jewish nature of the state.

[NYer]

the Israeli Knesset already had a pledge of allegiance to the laws of the State of Israel. that is sufficient.

non-Jewish MKs should not be compelled to pledge loyalty to the Jewish nature of the state.

Every citizen of a state should be pledged to loyalty. Americans pledge allegience to the flag and to God.

[Undesired Walrus]

Americans pledge allegience to the flag and to God.

Isn't that against your constitution?

[NYer]

Isn't that against your constitution?

I'm not American, so, cannot comment.

[Vorticity]

Americans pledge allegience to the flag and to God.Isn't that against your constitution?

If NYer meant that such pledges are required, then yes, it would be.

Fortunately, the quoted assertion by NYer is false either way.

[NYer]

If NYer meant that such pledges are required, then yes, it would be.

Fortunately, the quoted assertion by NYer is false either way.

If people are not loyal to a country, they should leave.

[Vorticity]

If people are not loyal to a country, they should leave.

Statement of opinion, on which I hold no position.

Americans pledge allegience to the flag and to God.

Assertion of fact, clearly false.

[NYer]

Statement of opinion, on which I hold no position.



Assertion of fact, clearly false.

Whatever you say. LOL

[Vorticity]

Whatever you say. LOL

You lose three internets.

[MaGZ]

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139374.html

I am going to assume that this racist law will not pass.

If I was a non-Jewish MK, I would find such an oath highly offensive.

The current oath, requires all MKs to swear loyalty to the laws of the State of Israel. That should be sufficient.

The point of this new oath, is to force non-Jews to swear acceptance to Israel being a Jewish state.

The current oath is fine. The new oath will lead the Israeli parliament to be Gentile-free. Is this the ultimate goal?


I think it would be a good idea for the Israeli parliament to be Gentile-free. It would finally end the charade that Israel is a democracy.

[Thunder]

I think it would be a good idea for the Israeli parliament to be Gentile-free. It would finally end the charade that Israel is a democracy.

Israel is a very imperfect democracy. But it is a much better democracy than Nazi Germany was in 1934.

[Wildy]

How exactly do you figure that?

Why would you want to work for a government that claims to be secular but has an oath that makes one group superior to another?

What would you do if one day the Swedish Government decided that all members of parliament there had to swear an oath to a "Sami state"?


For everyone else my opinion on the matter is that if it passes it will do more harm then good, if you consider that it's good at all.

[Arcade22]

Why would you want to work for a government that claims to be secular but has an oath that makes one group superior to another?

Why wouldn't you? If i were working for the government i wouldn't have a problem taking an oath to 'God, the King and the Swedish people', would you?

What would you do if one day the Swedish Government decided that all members of parliament there had to swear an oath to a "Sami state"?

Why would the Swedish government make them swear an oath to the "Sami state"?

[Thunder]

Why wouldn't you? If i were working for the government i wouldn't have a problem taking an oath to 'God, the King and the Swedish people', would you?


if such an oath has existed for a long long time, I would have no problem taking such an oath.

but if the oath was new, and only installed due to new immigrants and bigotry against these immigrants, and rumors of these immigrants not being "loyal" enough, than I would not take such an oath.

[Wildy]

Why wouldn't you? If i were working for the government i wouldn't have a problem taking an oath to 'God, the King and the Swedish people', would you?

If I were elected into a position of power in Sweden then no, I wouldn't have a problem with swearing an oath to 'the King and the Swedish People', but I would have a problem if it was to 'the King and the Lutheran Swedish People".

Why would the Swedish government make them swear an oath to the "Sami state"?

Irrelevant. Please answer the question.

[bigjelmapro]

Israel is a very imperfect democracy. But it is a much better democracy than Nazi Germany was in 1934.
Nazi Germany in '34 was a democracy? News to me...

[Darat]

Derail from the banning of a sock moved to AAH - back to the topic folks.

[bigjelmapro]

Don't see how changing the oath would change anything. I'm sure there's a Sunni form of taqiyya.

[Oliver]

Israel is a very imperfect democracy. But it is a much better democracy than Nazi Germany was in 1934.


Besides the fact that Germany in 1934 wasn't a democracy anymore.