Brit Hume on Tiger: Buddha sucks, convert to Christianity

[Tsukasa Buddha]

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I was seriously shocked when I saw this on Fox. Can't think of a non-offensive interpretation.

[GreenLines]

Seems pretty standard, don't really see anything offensive to it. Here was was thinking he was going to say, as your title say, "Buddha sucks". As he didn't it, the context feels different to me.

[Blue Monk]

I saw this too. I thought it at best in very poor taste for a seemingly well educated and prominent television analyst to suggest an individual is of the wrong faith.

Of course, as an atheist I am always a tad amused with the argument that my superstition is superior to yours.

[Thunder]

"Buddism sucks. Turn to Jesus and all is forgiven".

what a dick. I'm soooo glad I don't get FNC.

[Pardalis]

I didn't even know he was a Buddhist. Something tells me he didn't stop at tantric sex with his mistresses, but I got to admit the Kama Sutra must be a much more interesting read than the Holy Bible.

Come to think of it, he gave pretty good advice to Woods, if one wants a truly stale and unfulfilling sexual life, really the best way is with Catholicism.

[tyr_13]

The misunderstanding of the various Buddhist ideologies is so widespread that Zen Buddhism is often marketed as some form of 'self help'.

Some of you get the joke.

"My religion is better than your religion," may very well be pretty 'standard' but that doesn't make it non-offensive.

[Thunder]

I didn't even know he was a Buddhist. Something tells me he didn't stop at tantric sex with his mistresses, but I got to admit the Kama Sutra must be a much more interesting read than the Holy Bible.

Come to think of it, he gave pretty good advice to Woods, if one wants a truly stale and unfulfilling sexual life, really the best way is with Catholicism.

maybe Kalid Shehk Mohammed should convert to Christianity. that way, all is foregiven.

:)

[themusicteacher]

Isn't the Kama Sutra from India and, therefore, ostensibly Hindu, not Buddhist? Anyhow, how can anyone take FNC seriously? They don't even try to hide their radicalism and bias. As if Christian's never cheat...

[GreNME]

I saw this too. I thought it at best in very poor taste for a seemingly well educated and prominent television analyst to suggest an individual is of the wrong faith.

Which of those people there are you talking about? Bill Krystol?

[Eddie Dane]

I didn't even know he was a Buddhist. Something tells me he didn't stop at tantric sex with his mistresses, but I got to admit the Kama Sutra must be a much more interesting read than the Holy Bible.

Come to think of it, he gave pretty good advice to Woods, if one wants a truly stale and unfulfilling sexual life, really the best way is with Catholicism.

I thought a Catholic upbringing led to all sorts of interesting fetishes.
I once saw a rubber nun's uniform in a catalogue. Beat that, Buddhism!

[bignickel]

Blue Monk! Where've you been? Haven't seen you in forever.

[Thunder]

Isn't the Kama Sutra from India and, therefore, ostensibly Hindu, not Buddhist? Anyhow, how can anyone take FNC seriously? They don't even try to hide their radicalism and bias. As if Christian's never cheat...

yes. Christians never cheat. they never sexually abuse children. they never commit genocide against other faiths.

:cool:

Brit Hume has single handidly turned Tiger Woods from a cheating sexohaulic, to a victim of religious intolerance.

[cornsail]

I was seriously shocked when I saw this on Fox.

Srsly?

[headscratcher4]

Thanks Buddah someone is standing up for family values...now that Rove is seeking his second divorce.

[NYer]

The other members of the panel looked very uncomfortable with Hume's remarks.

Hume's son committed suicide, so, I understand how his religious beliefs have given him strength.

[XBoxWarrior]

Hume's son committed suicide, so, I understand how his religious beliefs have given him strength.

His beliefs didn't keep Brit married...

But that suicide story is interesting. I had never heard about it, or the situation involved.
[Sandy]Hume broke the story of the aborted 1997 coup by Rep. Bill Paxon against Speaker Newt Gingrich. MSNBC commentator and former Republican congressman Joe Scarborough says in his book, Rome Wasn't Burnt in a Day, that he was Hume's source.

Mornin' Joe related to more than one suicide...hmmnnn

Sandy Hume Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hume)

Brit Hume is still a POS for suggesting Tiger convert, and now Pat Buchanan is carrying his water on MSNBC, surprise.

ETA: and Pat just confused Shinto with Buddhism...(no link live TV)

[NYer]

His beliefs didn't keep Brit married...

But that suicide story is interesting. I had never heard about it, or the situation involved.

I wasn't aware that Hume's marriage has broken up.

The suicide of Hume's son was shrouded in some controversy. Rumors he had an affair with a male politician and was about to be outed.

[Thunder]

The other members of the panel looked very uncomfortable with Hume's remarks.

Hume's son committed suicide, so, I understand how his religious beliefs have given him strength.

looks like he also uses them to hide his homosexuality. priests do the same thing, hide their pedophilical urges behind the cloth.

[NYer]

looks like he also uses them to hide his homosexuality. priests do the same thing, hide their pedophilical urges behind the cloth.

Was Brit Hume's son a priest? Such a stupid remark.

[XBoxWarrior]

I wasn't aware that Hume's marriage has broken up.

I wasn't aware your Wiki was broke, sorry. :o

Previously married and divorced from Clare Jacobs Stoner, Hume is married to Kim Schiller Hume, Fox News vice president and former Washington bureau chief

Perhaps it was the gheys fault? But he's forgiven, you betcha! ;)

Brit Hume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Hume)

[Thunder]

Was Brit Hume's son a priest? Such a stupid remark.

so is "Arabs are a single ethnic group".

:)

[NYer]

so is "Arabs are a single ethnic group".

:)

Haha, you think Arabs are multiple ethnicities? You also think Iranians are Arabs. LOL

[NYer]

I wasn't aware your Wiki was broke, sorry. :o



Perhaps it was the gheys fault? But he's forgiven, you betcha! ;)

Brit Hume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Hume)

I believe Hume's current wife is the same wife when his son died.

[Thunder]

Haha, you think Arabs are multiple ethnicities? You also think Iranians are Arabs. LOL

During the Muslim conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests) of the seventh and eighth centuries, the Arabs forged an Arab Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Empire) (under the Rashidun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun) and Umayyads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad), and later the Abbasids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid)) whose borders touched southern France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) in the west, China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) in the east, Asia Minor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor) in the north, and the Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan) in the south. This was one of the largest land empires in history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires). In much of this area, the Arabs spread Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) and the Arabic language (the language of the Qur'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an)) through conversion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_conversion) and cultural assimilation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_assimilation). Many groups became known as "Arabs" through this process of Arabization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabization) rather than through descent. Thus, over time, the term Arab came to carry a broader meaning than the original ethnic term: cultural Arab vs. ethnic Arab. Arab nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism) declares that Arabs are united in a shared history, culture and language. A related ideology, Pan-Arabism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arabism), calls for all Arab lands to be united as one state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state). Arab nationalism has often competed for existence with regional nationalism in the Middle East, such as Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_nationalism).

keep laughing, young man.

[XBoxWarrior]

I believe Hume's current wife is the same wife when his son died.

WTF does that have to do with anything? I mentioned that he was divorced, not when. I thought the xtian "sanctity of marriage" crowd hung it's hat on doing it once, and doing it right. One man, One woman...not one man until he finds the right woman.

Are you implying he Brit (what a wanker name) wasn't a xtian before his kid swallowed the lead?

[NYer]

During the Muslim conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests) of the seventh and eighth centuries, the Arabs forged an Arab Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Empire) (under the Rashidun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun) and Umayyads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad), and later the Abbasids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid)) whose borders touched southern France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) in the west, China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) in the east, Asia Minor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor) in the north, and the Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan) in the south. This was one of the largest land empires in history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires). In much of this area, the Arabs spread Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) and the Arabic language (the language of the Qur'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an)) through conversion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_conversion) and cultural assimilation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_assimilation). Many groups became known as "Arabs" through this process of Arabization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabization) rather than through descent. Thus, over time, the term Arab came to carry a broader meaning than the original ethnic term: cultural Arab vs. ethnic Arab. Arab nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism) declares that Arabs are united in a shared history, culture and language. A related ideology, Pan-Arabism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arabism), calls for all Arab lands to be united as one state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state). Arab nationalism has often competed for existence with regional nationalism in the Middle East, such as Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_nationalism).

keep laughing, young man.

I know the history and not from Wikipedia. LOL

Plus, your silly Wikipedia citing says nothing about Persians becoming Arab, as you claim. Was this like alchemy? LOL

[Thunder]

I know the history and not from Wikipedia. LOL

Plus, your silly Wikipedia citing says nothing about Persians becoming Arab, as you claim. Was this like alchemy? LOL

yup...getting stinkier. may need to do some laundry.

:p

[hgc]

That's too much. Fox News likes to say that the news programming are between 9am to 4pm and 6pm to 8pm, or something like that, and the opinion programming is the rest of the time. Fine. But now where does the proselytizing programming fit in?

This is nuts! A news anchor is actually trying to convert a celebrity to Christianity on the air. That right there is crazier than Beck any day of the week.

[MattusMaximus]

Isn't the Kama Sutra from India and, therefore, ostensibly Hindu, not Buddhist? Anyhow, how can anyone take FNC seriously? They don't even try to hide their radicalism and bias. As if Christian's never cheat...

Interestingly enough, if a Christian is caught cheating the standard solution seems to be even more Christianity :rolleyes:

[NYer]

That's too much. Fox News likes to say that the news programming are between 9am to 4pm and 6pm to 8pm, or something like that, and the opinion programming is the rest of the time. Fine. But now where does the proselytizing programming fit in?

This is nuts! A news anchor is actually trying to convert a celebrity to Christianity on the air. That right there is crazier than Beck any day of the week.

Hume is not an anchor any more. He's more a guest commentator.

[XBoxWarrior]

He's more a guest commentator.

No, I think he is now the guest "evangelist"....divorced, with a dead ghey kid, and an agenda that hates the gheys, and divorce.

Go Figure...all fair and balancey. you betcha! ;)

[tyr_13]

Interestingly enough, if a Christian is caught cheating the standard solution seems to be even more Christianity :rolleyes:

It's not that Tiger cheated, it's that he cheated while not Christian. It's ok for Christians to cheat because they can be forgiven. It's not ok for anyone else. Understand? Christian means right.

Can I use the word 'Christian' a few more times? If I keep using the word 'Christian' will it begin to lose all meaning?

[NYer]

No, I think he is now the guest "evangelist"....divorced, with a dead ghey kid, and an agenda that hates the gheys, and divorce.

Go Figure...all fair and balancey. you betcha! ;)

But, Hume is still not an anchor.

[NYer]

No, I think he is now the guest "evangelist"....divorced, with a dead ghey kid, and an agenda that hates the gheys, and divorce.

Go Figure...all fair and balancey. you betcha! ;)

You don't like Christians. We get it.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Shinto and Buddhism CAN be confused if you're not very careful, as large parts of modern Japanese belief combine the two (to the point where Shinto has entire pantheons of imported Buddhist deities that take a few minutes to seperate. If you look it up on Wikipedia.... okay, sooo.)

(as for Zen Buddhism being self-help: sure, if you can achieve Enlightment. Let me know how that works out for you.)

[tyr_13]

There is no 'self' in Zen Buddhism. So marketing it as 'self help' is hilarious.

[hgc]

Hume is not an anchor any more. He's more a guest commentator.


No, he's Senior Political Correspondent. http://www.foxnews.com/bios/talent/brit-hume/

That's more like it. That's the job title I usually associate with calling the wayward home to Christ.

[Whiplash]

WTF does that have to do with anything? I mentioned that he was divorced, not when. I thought the xtian "sanctity of marriage" crowd hung it's hat on doing it once, and doing it right. One man, One woman...not one man until he finds the right woman.

Are you implying he Brit (what a wanker name) wasn't a xtian before his kid swallowed the lead?


That's far more Catholic than Christian. Lutherans are much more open about divorce. It's allowed and not sanctioned in any way.

This is not to say that Lutherans are more correct. They are also full of it. But too often the word "Christian" is thrown around (or xtian for those who can't even stomach typing the word Christ) in reference to bad things that Catholics are doing or have done. "Christian" encompasses a much larger group of people than just Catholics.

[XBoxWarrior]

The Hume apologists are out in force...

"Fox News" we report, and have decided you must be a xtian!!11!!!!

or just burn in hell.

meh

[XBoxWarrior]

R&P? really?

i was thinking politics....(guess that's why I'm nottamod)

[quixotecoyote]

That's far more Catholic than Christian. Lutherans are much more open about divorce. It's allowed and not sanctioned in any way.

This is not to say that Lutherans are more correct. They are also full of it. But too often the word "Christian" is thrown around (or xtian for those who can't even stomach typing the word Christ) in reference to bad things that Catholics are doing or have done. "Christian" encompasses a much larger group of people than just Catholics.


Well, Christianity is a joke term as applied to religion. Every Christian is a cafeteria Christian. The hateful people forget the bits about love, the loving people forget the bits about hate, and everyone finds a way around the restrictions on stuff they actually want to do in their lives.

It's a tribal flag. A Christian is a member of the Christian tribe and what he/she actually believes doesn't enter into it as long as it's not offensive enough to the other tribe members to merit a booting (and arguably not even then).

[Skeptic Ginger]

Seems pretty standard, don't really see anything offensive to it. Here was was thinking he was going to say, as your title say, "Buddha sucks". As he didn't it, the context feels different to me.Then you aren't looking sat it from any view other than a Christian. I thought it was blatantly offensive. Hume said straight out, only his god beliefs have value.

I am an atheist.

[MattusMaximus]

You don't like Christians. We get it.

Speaking only for myself, I don't have anything per se against Christians (despite my atheism); Christians who live their lives and mind their own business are cool with me. I just don't like overly self-righteous jerks who think their belief gives them the right to stick their noses into everyone else's personal lives while insisting (often loudly & annoyingly) that they alone have The TruthTM and the rest of us should follow it blindly.

[MattusMaximus]

No, he's Senior Political Correspondent. http://www.foxnews.com/bios/talent/brit-hume/

That's more like it. That's the job title I usually associate with calling the wayward home to Christ.

Funny, I thought Brit Hume's official title was "Wedge: Simplest of the Tools" :D

[Skeptic Ginger]

It would appear Hume's main concern is forgiveness. You can sin all you want, the Christians are into to writing all those transgressions off in the blink of a prayer.

Disgusting.

[Hux]

It was really amusing. telling everyone Tiger's religion will not do. Christianity will give him a better deal.

This from a Christian gentleman onto his second marriage.

I never imagined Hulme was such a prick.

[XBoxWarrior]

It would appear Hume's main concern is forgiveness.

Really?

Huh....I just assumed he was pandering to his paying/watching crowd.

how bout some cat banjo?

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=324&pictureid=2197

[CurtC]

Blue Monk! Where've you been? Haven't seen you in forever.

No kiddin'! I haven't seen him since the days when the only 9/11 discussions on the forums were about a paranormal hat.

[Ryokan]

And we were all dying to get O'Reilly's opinion as wel. He asks Hume why people would ever take offense at the comment, and it baffles both their minds that it did.

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[bobcarp]

I was seriously shocked when I saw this on Fox.

Were you REALLY shocked that you saw this on FOX?... REALLY????

[headscratcher4]

Could Hume be projecting his feelings of guilt or failure (natural) over the suicide of his son? I don't mean to suggest Hume was responsible, mearly that as a Parent, he has to ask why? What did I/didn't I do that contributed to that death? Hume has said that as a result of that death he rediscovered his faith and became a practicing christian.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Really?

Huh....I just assumed he was pandering to his paying/watching crowd.

how bout some cat banjo?...Cute little kitty.

You don't think that was classic Christian sincerity? I've never known Hume to pander to Christians for ratings.

[MattusMaximus]

And we were all dying to get O'Reilly's opinion as wel. He asks Hume why people would ever take offense at the comment, and it baffles both their minds that it did.

n2MB8boLWZc

If they really believe what they're peddling on FN, it doesn't surprise me. Such is the thinking of people who live their lives inside an ideological/religious bubble.

[headscratcher4]

BO'RE should be carful, as an avowed Catholic he should be skeptical of Hume's very protestant path to salvation...

[pgwenthold]

It was really amusing. telling everyone Tiger's religion will not do. Christianity will give him a better deal.



I have to admit, I'm not sure I understand Hume's point. Wood's should convert to christianity because christianity provides forgiveness? How does that help anything? Is he suggesting that people of other religions can't be forgiven? Alternatively, why should Tiger Woods be forgiven just because he is christian?

If Tiger Woods has earned forgiveness for his transgressions, why should anyone care if he is christian or not. And if he has not earned forgiveness for his actions, in that he has not shown the proper remorse or (for lack of a better term) served the proper penance, then why would converting to christianity make that happen?

[INRM]

I think it was one of the dumbest things I ever heard on the news... basically it's like saying "since your religion isn't too forgiving, you might want to switch to a religion that'll give you a little more latitude"


Quixote Coyote,

Well, Christianity is a joke term as applied to religion. Every Christian is a cafeteria Christian. The hateful people forget the bits about love, the loving people forget the bits about hate, and everyone finds a way around the restrictions on stuff they actually want to do in their lives.

Some people FAR more than others...

[skeptical]

Hume's comments are ridiculous for the same reason that his religion and all other dogmatic systems are ridiculous: at bottom they are claims to absolute knowledge about things that are absolutely unknowable. His comment is only somewhat shocking, and I admit to being a little shocked but not much, because of the forum in which they were said.

But in his defense, this is not new and not unusual for followers of any of the myriad superstitions we have with us. It may be new for a "news" person to come out and say it in public in a "news" forum, but if anything perhaps Hume deserved some small credit for having the guts (or lack of intelligence) to say what all the religiously inclined are always thinking already: People would be so much better off if they just followed my religion!

As despicable and nonsensical as I find the comments, I find them no more despicable or nonsensical than any other assertions without evidence and claims to absolute certainty by the religious that I see and hear every day.

If any Christians find this remotely offensive, they are clearly not up to speed on the thoughts of many of their co-religionists.

[bobcarp]

BO'RE should be carful, as an avowed Catholic he should be skeptical of Hume's very protestant path to salvation...

I thought the same thing. Growing up in the Baptist church (forced to go, not my idea) we were always taught that Catholics weren't even really Christians. Sure they believe in Christ and all, but they were kinda the voodoo practicing cousin of the Christian family. They were even considered lower than the Mormons.

[Hux]

To be fair to Hume, when he 'retired' his spot as a correspondent to take up his present position, he did say he was going to spend more time with his family and do a lot more Bible reading. We were warned.

[hgc]

Hume's comments are ridiculous for the same reason that his religion and all other dogmatic systems are ridiculous: at bottom they are claims to absolute knowledge about things that are absolutely unknowable. His comment is only somewhat shocking, and I admit to being a little shocked but not much, because of the forum in which they were said.

But in his defense, this is not new and not unusual for followers of any of the myriad superstitions we have with us. It may be new for a "news" person to come out and say it in public in a "news" forum, but if anything perhaps Hume deserved some small credit for having the guts (or lack of intelligence) to say what all the religiously inclined are always thinking already: People would be so much better off if they just followed my religion!

As despicable and nonsensical as I find the comments, I find them no more despicable or nonsensical than any other assertions without evidence and claims to absolute certainty by the religious that I see and hear every day.

If any Christians find this remotely offensive, they are clearly not up to speed on the thoughts of many of their co-religionists.


No, doing it on a news analysis show is more dispicable than most other venues. It's bad enough that they had decided to devote a portion of that show to celebrity gossip, but at least the Tiger Woods problem thing could conceiveably be considered to be news, by the lowest of standards.

[grayman]

And we were all dying to get O'Reilly's opinion as wel. He asks Hume why people would ever take offense at the comment, and it baffles both their minds that it did.

O'Reilly opines in his column (http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn;jsessionid=3CFD5DE023C6FAFA6DB52B 0655BA4A8A?pid=28692):

The forgiveness Christianity offers has helped millions of human beings throughout history. The world would be a better place if every person on earth understood the basic philosophy of Jesus. Mr. Hume was simply exercising his free speech rights and the fact he is paid well to do that speaks to his intellect and insight.

Anti-religious sentiment is currently chic in America. You can see it displayed in the media almost everyday. Brit Hume sent some advice to Tiger Woods. He did so meaning well. Mr. Woods is free to take it or leave it. There was no harm in this.

And reader's comments:

It's about time a Christian spoke up and talked about how Jesus helps those in need. His recommendation was helpful and not hurtful nor harmful in anyway. Glad it was said on O'Reilly/FOX. I sure hope anti-religious and the far left were tuned-in

I'm very thankful for the Lord for Mr. Hume and Mr. O'Reilly, along with Fox News Channel.

May the Lord bless and flavor Mr. Hume, Mr. O'Reilly and Fox abundantly to glorifies His name and keeping it balance for that is what is right

Admit it...deep down inside, you know Jesus tivos O'Reilly and Beck.

[hgc]

Just this one sentence from O'Reilly is fat with Fail.

Mr. Hume was simply exercising his free speech rights...


Idiot. What has free speech got to do with it? He's on Fox News' payroll and on their air. He's only free to say that Fox says he can say. Not a single critic anywhere on Earth has called for government censorship of Hume's bible thumping.


...and the fact he is paid well to do that speaks to his intellect and insight.


Translation: Rich gasbags know best. Shut up and listen.

[Elizabeth I]

May the Lord bless and flavor Mr. Hume, Mr. O'Reilly and Fox abundantly to glorifies His name and keeping it balance for that is what is right

WHAT? "Bless and flavor Mr. Hume"? Brit can haz a flavor?

Is this a new religious term I haven't heard before?

[Whiplash]

WHAT? "Bless and flavor Mr. Hume"? Brit can haz a flavor?

Is this a new religious term I haven't heard before?


It's a prayer for the day when they kill him and eat him. They hope he will taste good.

[Hux]

Maybe they are going to put him in the communion crackers?

BTW has Hume had a stroke or does his face just look like its melting?