Jack Chick and Sodom and Gomorrah

[Cainkane1]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp

What repulses me is not the gay men but the cowering child being assaulted by an ape like man.

[KingMerv00]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp

What repulses me is not the gay men but the cowering child being assaulted by an ape like man.

What do you supposed happened to that cowering child as God rained down fire upon them? Presumably, he went to hell since he never had a chance to accept God as his personal savior.

[Dragonrock]

Well, that was disturbing. Thanks.

I keep imagining that the guy who drew the closeup of the two men kissing probably got off on it and then was so disgusted with himself that he went home and beat his wife just to show how manly he was.

[AvalonXQ]

What do you supposed happened to that cowering child as God rained down fire upon them? Presumably, he went to hell since he never had a chance to accept God as his personal savior.

I would presume he went to heaven, since a child can't sin.

[Segnosaur]

You know, here's something else about the story... notice how it seems like a "good thing" for him to offer his daughters to be assaulted by the crowd? Not exactly parent of the year material.

http://www.rhymes-with-witch.com/rww03292008.shtml

[Cainkane1]

You know, here's something else about the story... notice how it seems like a "good thing" for him to offer his daughters to be assaulted by the crowd? Not exactly parent of the year material.

http://www.rhymes-with-witch.com/rww03292008.shtml
Yeah that story is weird. Offering your daughters to a howling testerone fueled mob of perverts is Odious to me.

[Marquis de Carabas]

The definitive telling of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. (NSFW)

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[AvalonXQ]

Yeah that story is weird. Offering your daughters to a howling testerone fueled mob of perverts is Odious to me.

Me too. I don't think that the Biblical story is necessarily saying that Lot was praiseworthy in doing this. Lot is generally portayed as the idiot nephew in Scripture.

[Cainkane1]

Me too. I don't think that the Biblical story is necessarily saying that Lot was praiseworthy in doing this. Lot is generally portayed as the idiot nephew in Scripture.
Apparently God thought enough og this "idiot" to go to the trouble of sending angels down to protect him.As I recall he later committed incest with his daughters while drunk and to me incest is much worse than adult gay folks getting together and doing their own thing.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Apparently God thought enough og this "idiot" to go to the trouble of sending angels down to protect him.As I recall he later committed incest with his daughters while drunk and to me incest is much worse than adult gay folks getting together and doing their own thing.
To be fair to Lot, his daughters date raped him.

[shadron]

I would presume he went to heaven, since a child can't sin.

No, I'm afraid not. All men have sinned (according to Genesis), and are therefore liable to the fruits of that. The Catholics believe that he may ... may, mind you, have baptism of desire, based on his explicit desire to have been baptized had he not died in the interim, but that seems unlikely inasmuch as Christ hadn't yet appeared. Children used to be allowed into Limbo, a non-punishment part of hell, but Catholicism excommunicated it in the 1992 with the thought that much of god's mercy vs. justice thing has not been revealed to us, and he must have worked something out, and just forgot to tell us what.

Protestants, for the most part, cleaving to the Bible as they do, don't regard any Limbo as possible. In many places they state that it is a pity, but those children must go to hell, in god's ineffable justice, victims of iron-clad theology.

[Pure Argent]

I would presume he went to heaven, since a child can't sin.

Really? News to me. Why do we have confession, then?

[Beerina]

Well, Chick just proves the point. Jesus hates gays.


http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll38/Gnurl/jesustitanic2ca2.jpg

[KingMerv00]

I would presume he went to heaven, since a child can't sin.

That might be your view but Jack Chick is a bit tougher on people than you are. Sinful or not, that kid still got roasted.

[AvalonXQ]

Really? News to me. Why do we have confession, then?

Confession for the forgiveness of sins is a Catholic thing, not a Biblical thing.
Original Sin is, as well.

[KingMerv00]

Really? News to me. Why do we have confession, then?

Jack Chick hates Catholics I think.

[Pure Argent]

Confession for the forgiveness of sins is a Catholic thing, not a Biblical thing.
Original Sin is, as well.

I think I remember original sin being mentioned in the Bible, but I'm not sure. I'll get on BibleGateway later.

[Pure Argent]

Jack Chick hates Catholics I think.

Well no duh (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp).

Not really surprising. He seems to hate everybody.

[KingMerv00]

I think I remember original sin being mentioned in the Bible, but I'm not sure. I'll get on BibleGateway later.

All kinds of crap is in the Bible. Doesn't mean people believe it.

[KingMerv00]

Well no duh (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp).

Not really surprising. He seems to hate everybody.

So Chick's response to "Why do we have confession?" is "Because the Catholics want you to burn in hell."

[Pure Argent]

So Chick's response to "Why do we have confession?" is "Because the Catholics want you to burn in hell."

Yes.

Granted, though, his response to most queries is "Because the Catholics want you to burn in Hell".

[Cainkane1]

Well no duh (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp).

Not really surprising. He seems to hate everybody.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.asp

Ol Jack Chick has one redeeming virtue. He is violently pro semetic.

[headscratcher4]

I would presume he went to heaven, since a child can't sin.

Clearly you don't watch the Disney Channel.

[AvalonXQ]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.asp

Ol Jack Chick has one redeeming virtue. He is violently pro semetic.

I'm not sure I'd call being violently pro-semetic a virtue.

[HansMustermann]

Confession for the forgiveness of sins is a Catholic thing, not a Biblical thing.
Original Sin is, as well.

Original Sin is a major theme for not just Catholics, sadly.

You may want to check out, for example, St Augustine, as he's a major church father for not just Catholics but AFAIK most protestant denominations too. He was very big on Original Sin. According to him, Original Sin even removes your free will, so you can't even be good (much less find salvation) on your own without being baptized and the rest of the trappings. It's literally like a wound that is inherited by everyone and can only be healed through Jesus, and it taints your will, your senses, your everything. It's an inherent privation of any kind of righteousness you might (and should) otherwise possess.

So, yes, I'd say that that child would not be saved in that view of the world.

ETA: in effect, that child can not only be full of sin, he's born that way from day zero.

Me, I find that view offensive, but what else would you expect from an atheist full of original sin, eh? ;)

[AvalonXQ]

Original Sin is a major theme for not just Catholics, sadly.

You may want to check out, for example, St Augustine, as he's a major church father for not just Catholics but AFAIK most protestant denominations too. He was very big on Original Sin. According to him, Original Sin even removes your free will, so you can't even be good (much less find salvation) on your own without being baptized and the rest of the trappings. It's literally like a wound that is inherited by everyone and can only be healed through Jesus, and it taints your will, your senses, your everything. It's an inherent privation of any kind of righteousness you might (and should) otherwise possess.

So, yes, I'd say that that child would not be saved in that view of the world.

ETA: in effect, that child can not only be full of sin, he's born that way from day zero.

Me, I find that view offensive, but what else would you expect from an atheist full of original sin, eh? ;)

I find it offensive as well.
I'm aware that a lot of Protestants inherited Original Sin*. But since I don't find the concept in my Biblical studies, I don't believe in it.

*ETA: Freudian slip! I meant many Protestants inherited the concept of Original Sin. Funny that way, though, eh?

[Safe-Keeper]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.asp

Ol Jack Chick has one redeeming virtue. He is violently pro semetic.
I am surprised. Doesn't he usually draw his "bad guys" with hooked noses and whatnot, while the "good guys" are typically blond, blue-eyed "Aryans"?

Not the sort of person I'd peg as pro-Semitic, rather the opposite.

[Scott Haley]

The tract depicts Sodom as a city full of horrible men doing horrible things. It says specifically that God destroyed the city because of the sin of homosexuality. How does Mr. Chick know that God did it because of that sin and not the many other sins practiced there, like forming a mob to gang rape angels? I don't think that the bible says that it was one particular sin that made Him do it.

[KingMerv00]

The tract depicts Sodom as a city full of horrible men doing horrible things. It says specifically that God destroyed the city because of the sin of homosexuality. How does Mr. Chick know that God did it because of that sin and not the many other sins practiced there, like forming a mob to gang rape angels? I don't think that the bible says that it was one particular sin that made Him do it.

Yea? Well why is it call SODOMy then? :eek:

(BTW, what is Gomorrahy?)

[Cainkane1]

The tract depicts Sodom as a city full of horrible men doing horrible things. It says specifically that God destroyed the city because of the sin of homosexuality. How does Mr. Chick know that God did it because of that sin and not the many other sins practiced there, like forming a mob to gang rape angels? I don't think that the bible says that it was one particular sin that made Him do it.
Since this went on in Athens, Sparta and other Greek cities why not destroy them too?

[Bikewer]

I believe that one of those "lost" bits of scripture mentions that Lot remained quite fond of the pillar of salt, and took it home and made a flower-pot out of it.

[AvalonXQ]

(BTW, what is Gomorrahy?)

(A really nasty STD you'll catch from too much Sodomy...)

[Eddie Dane]

Since this went on in Athens, Sparta and other Greek cities why not destroy them too?

God wanted to destroy Sparta. Then he took another good look at them and decided he'd better leave them alone.

Apparently he thought it would be bad for his street credibility if he'd get thrown down a well by a group of pissed-off homosexuals.

[marksman]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1000/1000_01.asp

Ol Jack Chick has one redeeming virtue. He is violently pro semetic.

No, he's pro-zionist. But he's still anti-semitic (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0014/0014_01.asp). Odd, but true. We should love the Jews all the way to Hell.

[headscratcher4]

Any relation to Peaches Melba or Apple Brown Betty?

[Vorticity]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp

There are three things that immediately jump out at me from that tract:

1) Note the presence of the demon statue copied directly from the movie The Excorcist.

2) Note that Lot's wife is Marlene Dietrich.

3) Note that Lot as an older man appears to be (I think) Laurence Olivier.

[Vorticity]

No, he's pro-zionist. But he's still anti-semitic (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0014/0014_01.asp). Odd, but true. We should love the Jews all the way to Hell.

I don't want to get too far off-topic, but...

This is common in the new wave of political hard-core Christian evangelicalism in the United States: A virulent support of the state of Israel, while at the same time pumping out heavy anti-Semitic innuendo.

As I understand it, the reason for this is that one of the prerequisites in the Book of Revelations for the End Times to begin (which is, apparently, desired) is that the Temple be re-established in Jerusalem. Clearly this cannot happen without a Jewish state.

After that, all the Jews go to Hell, but that's incidental: They've served their purpose according to the opium-induced ramblings of whatever loon wrote the Book of Revelations...

[Vorticity]

From the footnote in the first panel:

"*AIDS: What You Haven't Been Told, Video by Jeremiah Films"

I both desperately do and desperately don't want to watch that video.

Also notice the Frank Zappa cameo in panel six.

[Nursefoxfire]

There are three things that immediately jump out at me from that tract:

1) Note the presence of the demon statue copied directly from the movie The Excorcist.

2) Note that Lot's wife is Marlene Dietrich.

3) Note that Lot as an older man appears to be (I think) Laurence Olivier.

and 4) the "hero" of the strip looks like Clark Gable

[justcharlie09]

Forget anything Clive Barker ever dreamed of... Jack Chick scares the hell out of me.

Seriously disturbed mind, that one.

[Shrike]

God wanted to destroy Sparta. Then he took another good look at them and decided he'd better leave them alone.

Apparently he thought it would be bad for his street credibility if he'd get thrown down a well by a group of pissed-off homosexuals.
Better not come to Rotterdam and call Spartans pissed-off homosexuals nowadays (Sparta season ticket holder :D)

[Beerina]

There are three things that immediately jump out at me from that tract:

1) Note the presence of the demon statue copied directly from the movie The Excorcist.

2) Note that Lot's wife is Marlene Dietrich.

3) Note that Lot as an older man appears to be (I think) Laurence Olivier.

Not guys with beards in women's clothing sucking face? :confused: One's in a genie's outfit.

[justcharlie09]

Not guys with beards in women's clothing sucking face? :confused: One's in a genie's outfit.

I noticed their purdy earrings. I don't know what this says about my psyche.

[AvalonXQ]

God wanted to destroy Sparta. Then he took another good look at them and decided he'd better leave them alone.

Stop spoiling the plot of God of War IV.

[Vorticity]

Not guys with beards in women's clothing sucking face? :confused: One's in a genie's outfit.

Meh.

I lived in San Francisco for seven years.

In my world, if I don't see two heavily-bearded men making out, I don't consider the day complete.