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Theodore Kurita
8th January 2004, 02:09 PM
Dennis Kucinich

or

Howard Dean


It might actually suprise you that Dennis Kucinich has a lot more support than he is being given credit for by the media.

Take a look at this PDF of Left Democratic by the Democratic Socialists of America.

They recently conducted a poll in Iowa with Progessive Liberals, who ARE VOTING in the 2004 election.

For those of you not wanting to click on the link. Here is a copy of the article itself.


[b[The Road to Boston[/b]

The results from the DSA (PAC) on-line presidential sample ballots and
issue polls have remained remarkably consistent.The polls were intended
to measure the attitude of progressive voters on the most important issues
and on the prospective candidates.Anyone identifying himself or herself as a progressive voter intending to vote in the 2004 presidential primaries
and general election could participate in this poll.

More than 96 percent of the respondents agreed that Bush and the
Republicans favored the rich and were too quick to use American military
power. Ninety-three percent agreed that the corporations got everything
they wanted from the Bush Administration. The respondents were not too kind to the Democrats, either: Eighty-eight percent agreed that the
Democrats had not been effective opponents of the Administration. Still,
81.5 percent agreed that the most important thing in the 2004 elections
was to defeat Bush.
Respondents were then asked to express a preference for one of the
candidates seeking the Democratic nomination. Respondents were drawn
overwhelmingly to candidates who were
clearly opposed to the war in Iraq. In the
first poll, Ohio Congressman Dennis
Kucinich narrowly edged out former
Vermont Governor Howard Dean 37.9 percent
to 33.1 percent. Former general
Wesley Clark was a distant third with 9.4
percent. Five percent of the respondents chose “none of the above,” presumably
indicating support for a third-party candidate or a Democrat who
has not entered the race. Subsequent polls with fewer participants have
seen slight increases in support for Dean and Clark and a slight decline for
Kucinich.
A poll that was mailed to DSA members demonstrated similar results.
Members were asked to list up to three candidates that they could support
from the list of those running. Again, Dean and Kucinich did the best, listed
on 67 and 59 percent of the ballots respectively.In this poll, however, Senator John Kerry came in third, appearing on 22 percent of the ballots, while Clark dropped to fourth at 18 percent. Congressman Richard Gephardt edged out former Senator Carol Moseley Braun 14 percent to 13 percent. John
Edwards, Al Sharpton and “none of the above” tied at 5 percent, just above
Senators Joseph Lieberman and Bob Graham at 2 percent each.
In part because of the divided loyalties of our members, DSA (PAC) has
made no formal endorsement. DSA is planning to be very active at the
Democratic Convention in Boston and we need to know which members
will be attending the convention and in what capacity. Any DSA members
running for delegate should let the national office know. The simplest way
is to email the National Director at fllewellyn@dsausa.org, but a regular letter, phone call or postcard will do the trick. And, if you will be in Boston
as staff or protestor July 26-29, let us know that, too!

If any of you have been listening to the debates.

Who is the better debater?

and

Who is the better candidate overall?

We know that both of them have a spine unlike most of the democrats running (i.e. Gephart).

Just vote and give your opinion

aerocontrols
8th January 2004, 02:24 PM
wow



I wish you well in convincing others. They may have a problem with selection bias in the poll you cite.

jj
8th January 2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by aerocontrols
wow

I wish you well in convincing others. They may have a problem with selection bias in the poll you cite.

No, couldn't be! Just couldn't be! You mean a poll can be slanted by the phrasing of the questions, the selection of the audience, that sort of thing? Oh mercy me, who would have ever thought! ;)

Theodore Kurita
8th January 2004, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by jj


No, couldn't be! Just couldn't be! You mean a poll can be slanted by the phrasing of the questions, the selection of the audience, that sort of thing? Oh mercy me, who would have ever thought! ;)


For cripes sake people.

The DSA has said, and WILL say that we have not officially endorsed ANY candidate.

Here is the entire PDF in case you are interested:

http://www.dsausa.org/dl/Winter_2003.pdf

Suddenly
8th January 2004, 06:54 PM
So is the point of the poll that serious liberals support liberal positions?


I mean, if Kucinich can't carry a poll where More than 96 percent of the respondents agreed that Bush and the
Republicans favored the rich and were too quick to use American military.

he's kidding himself. He wants to be president and he can't even carry his core followers. Yikes.

corplinx
8th January 2004, 11:55 PM
Most of the democrat debates are not true debates. Maybe if there weren't so many candidates you could have on. These are more like glorified "town halls" with multiple speakers.

Kucinich is probably the best speaker at these events because he never sugarcouts his message. He is the only ::wince:: straight talker on the stage. He can challenge current policy with optimism and a smile. I think he comes off as much more genuine that anyone else on the stage.

Grammatron
9th January 2004, 12:16 AM
More than 96 percent of the respondents agreed that Bush and the Republicans favored the rich and were too quick to use American military.

Here's an interesting question I thought of when reading this quote, what is worse/better favoring the rich or favoring the poor?

shemp
9th January 2004, 04:07 AM
I will be contacting my lawyers regarding the content of this poll. On Planet X, we know that George W. Bush is a demon!

demon
9th January 2004, 04:54 AM
I will also be contacting my lawyers regarding the content of your post...it`s blatantly slanderous and casts demons in such a poor light!