Rush Limbaugh & Pat Robertson Re: Haiti Quake

[MattusMaximus]

What a couple of complete scumbags... (http://www.collegenews.com/index.php?/article/pat_robertson_rush_limbaugh_haiti_comments_draw_fi re_0113200932657325/)

Leave it to certain commentators to display unique interpretations of compassion and reason when everyone else is merely adhering to the traditional definitions of the words.

When most people are using their time and efforts to brainstorm ways to help the citizens of Haiti, who have no doubt endured massive suffering after Tuesday’s huge earthquake, Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh opted to use theirs in a decidedly different fashion Wednesday. ...

Based upon the nonsense that these two wastes of skin are spewing, I think perhaps the most immediate & best way to deal with it is to send a big donation to aid agencies which will be able to help in Haiti.

[marksman]

You know, just when I think Pat and Rush have lost all ability to shock me with anything they say, they constantly rise to the challenge.

[Tricky]

Jeez Louise! Rush seems to be saying, "Look out! Obama is going to politicize this!" while blatently politicizing it. And Robertson with his typical, "It's their fault for being ungodly" is just a miserable excuse for a human being. It almost makes me wish there were a just God so he could smack Pat down.

[Grizzly Bear]

Pat Robertson can shove it if he has a bat**** crazy religious problem with that nation. That isn't even worthy of political statement, it's just plain demeaning. :\

I could see Limbaugh's statement having some truth to it, but honestly he chose a ****'y time and subject to play politics. There isn't exactly anything unusual about the US stepping in to provide aid to that country, not really an issue of who's in the oval office.

[johnny karate]

The inherent offensive of these statements aside, I would be particularly irate if I were a Conservative, because this is exactly what gives them a bad name.

So the only question now is who on the Right will have the courage common decency to denounce these clowns.

[carlitos]

So the only question now is who on the Right will have the courage common decency to denounce these clowns.
I'm on the right (mostly) and I will. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I listened to some talk radio yesterday, and all of the Salem (Medved, Hewitt) and Fox guys I heard were interviewing aid agencies or Haiti experts, and telling you where to donate.

Limbaugh is, at best, a race baiter at this point. Robertson, an egomaniacal tool.

[MattusMaximus]

The inherent offensive of these statements aside, I would be particularly irate if I were a Conservative, because this is exactly what gives them a bad name.

So the only question now is who on the Right will have the courage common decency to denounce these clowns.

Exactly... it will be very interesting to see who, if anyone, on the far right will have the guts to stand up to Big Papa Limbaugh and that worm Robertson. Personally, I'm not holding my breath for an such statements, though I'm pretty sure that a lot of conservative politicians are privately cringing at these remarks.

[MattusMaximus]

I'm on the right (mostly) and I will. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I listened to some talk radio yesterday, and all of the Salem (Medved, Hewitt) and Fox guys I heard were interviewing aid agencies or Haiti experts, and telling you where to donate.

Limbaugh is, at best, a race baiter at this point. Robertson, an egomaniacal tool.

Good on you, Carlitos. Sadly, I don't think this will put a dent in their viewership.

[Grizzly Bear]

Limbaugh is, at best, a race baiter at this point. Robertson, an egomaniacal tool.
People like Robertson gives me the creeps.

But while I agree with Limbaugh on a lot issues but I really don't see the justification in him jumping to the political card on the basis that Obama's offering aid to that region. His predecessors have offered similar aid in the past particularly given that the country has been pounded by tropical systems in recent years.

[Darth Rotor]

Based upon the nonsense that these two wastes of skin are spewing, I think perhaps the most immediate & best way to deal with it is to send a big donation to aid agencies which will be able to help in Haiti.
Your suggested course of action didn't need two blowhards to say silly or irresponsible things for it to be a good idea. ;)

As to Robertson:
Robertson: “Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about. [Haitians] were under the heel of the French...and they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They said, ‘we will serve you if you’ll get us free from the French.’ True story. And the Devil said, ‘OK it’s a deal.’ Ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after another.”
Maybe Pat is old enough to have been there to see the deal made. Jeeze, what a cruel thing to say, not to mention pointless. He failed to follow rule Number 1: never overlook an opportunity to keep your mouth shut.

DR

[leftysergeant]

Well, maybe now people will better understand why so few of us on the left felt any sort of sympathy when the pig man was in the hospital.

[Thunder]

Robertson is a great friend of Israel.

Please stay on topic, which is the statements of Limbaugh and Robertson about Haiti.

[leftysergeant]

Robertson is a great friend of Israel.

Of the modern state and borders of Israel, yes. Of Jews, no. He just wants them there to be the first casualties of the final war.

And, more than anything else, he wants there to be war.

Comes the End of Ages, by Muslim reconning, that ball of lard Robertson is going to wish, as he drags it off around his neck on the path to hell, that he had accumulated a bit less gold in this world. And the real followers of God's word will stand on the ridgeline that separates that path from the path to heaven chanting "neener,neener,neener." And those who puffed thermselves up in his reflected vainglory will be there to shove him to the head of the line for the fire pit, because they will know that he got them there. They will follow him to the gates of hell, mostly to be sure that he goes in.

[MattusMaximus]

Well, maybe now people will better understand why so few of us on the left felt any sort of sympathy when the pig man was in the hospital.

Having suffered from heart issues myself, I felt sympathy for him... then :mad:

[Grizzly Bear]

EDIT <Nevermind>

[carlitos]

So, all the Haitians swore a pact with the devil. "True story." LOL. I hope they put a voodoo curse on that idiot, if the Katrina victims already haven't.

[Eyeron]

Oh this is just more partisan rhetorical nonsense. Oh noes, Rush said something mean again! I'm telling mommy!

Please, anything like this is always politicized in some way. If a liberal version of Rush did this very thing, would you expect the liberals to be complaining about it?

Oh hell no.

They'd be applauding it all they way!

Now Robertson is a whole other matter entirely. There's a saying:

"Even the devil can read scripture."

And like it or not, while it is a bad thing for anyone to politicize a tragedy like this, what Robertson is doing is far more deplorable behavior.

[Brainster]

I note as well that Limbaugh and his caller are operating out of a false impression. The caller wonders why Obama suggested folks go to the Whitehouse.gov site; why can't he just donate to the American Red Cross. Limbaugh concurs and suggests that money donated at the Whitehouse.gov site won't go to Haiti, and you'll get on an Obama email list.

So I surf over to the Whitehouse.gov page on Haiti (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/01/14/president-haiti-first-waves-our-rescue-and-relief-workers-are-ground-and-work) and what do I see?

This morning the President gave another update relief efforts in Haiti, promising the people of Haiti that "you will not be forsaken; you will not be forgotten." Again, while the US Government does all it can, you can also help immediately by donating to the international fund of the Red Cross to assist the relief effort.

* Donate $10 to be charged to your cell phone bill by texting "HAITI" to "90999."
* Contribute online to the Red Cross,
* Find more ways to help through the Center for International Disaster Information.

(Bolding added for emphasis. There's a link underneath the second bullet point that goes directly to the American Red Cross' Haiti page.)

I'm also a bit surprised at the claim that Obama's courting support from both light- and dark-skinned blacks in this country; like he needs to shore up that base?

So yes, I'd say Robertson and Limbaugh are dolts.

[carlitos]

Whitehouse.gov - that's where Obama is posting all of the bills he signs for a 5-day public review period (http://www.cato.org/tech/tk/090413-tk.html), right?
:duck:

[johnny karate]

Oh this is just more partisan rhetorical nonsense. Oh noes, Rush said something mean again! I'm telling mommy!

Please, anything like this is always politicized in some way. If a liberal version of Rush did this very thing, would you expect the liberals to be complaining about it?


Oh hell no.

They'd be applauding it all they way!?

No.

Just... no.

This isn't about partisanship. This is about basic humanity.

Rush Limbaugh didn't just take a tragedy and try to make political hay with it; he expressed a complete disregard for the pain and suffering of hundreds of thousands of human beings. To wit:
We've already donated to Haiti. It's called the U.S. income tax.


Now Robertson is a whole other matter entirely. There's a saying:

"Even the devil can read scripture."

And like it or not, while it is a bad thing for anyone to politicize a tragedy like this, what Robertson is doing is far more deplorable behavior.

See the above comment by Limbaugh. I think it's splitting hairs to say one is more deplorable than the other. Robertson at least has the excuse of being a demented religious zealot, while Limbaugh says repugnant, hateful things just to get ratings and put money in his pocket.

[Praktik]

Oh this is just more partisan rhetorical nonsense. Oh noes, Rush said something mean again! I'm telling mommy!

Please, anything like this is always politicized in some way. If a liberal version of Rush did this very thing, would you expect the liberals to be complaining about it?

Oh hell no.

They'd be applauding it all they way!

My patience for these hypotheticals is wearing thin...

[johnny karate]

I'm on the right (mostly) and I will. I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, but I listened to some talk radio yesterday, and all of the Salem (Medved, Hewitt) and Fox guys I heard were interviewing aid agencies or Haiti experts, and telling you where to donate.

You're a good egg, carlitos, as I'm sure the vast majority of Conservatives/Republicans are, all of whom responded to this tragedy with nothing but compassion and a desire to help.

What I'm looking for is a response from someone in the Republican leadership. In the last year, Limbaugh seems to have become the de facto voice of the Right, and anything he says could give the perception of being the opinion of Conservative America unless another prominent member of the Right gets out in front and denounces him.

And I'm really hoping that happens.

[DavidJames]

You're a good egg, carlitos, as I'm sure the vast majority of Conservatives/Republicans are, all of whom responded to this tragedy with nothing but compassion and a desire to help.

What I'm looking for is a response from someone in the Republican leadership. In the last year, Limbaugh seems to have become the de facto voice of the Right, and anything he says could give the perception of being the opinion of Conservative America unless another prominent member of the Right gets out in front and denounces him.

And I'm really hoping that happens.For your health, I sure hope you aren't holding your breath.

[DavidJames]

Oh this is just more partisan rhetorical nonsense. Oh noes, Rush said something mean again! I'm telling mommy!

Please, anything like this is always politicized in some way. If a liberal version of Rush did this very thing, would you expect the liberals to be complaining about it?

Oh hell no.

They'd be applauding it all they way!Instead of farting in this thread with a hackneyed meme, why don't you show it true by starting your own thread with links.

Do it.

[carlitos]

What I'm looking for is a response from someone in the Republican leadership.
I am pretty sure that this is an oxymoron. The Republican party in Illinois died about 6 years ago, and apparently the national party has decided to join them. We have conservative radio hosts like Hugh Hewitt exhorting their listeners not to give a dime to the NRCC (http://www.nrcc.org/news/read.aspx?id=1132) and a major schism between the TEA party / religious right / Limbaugh / Steele / libertarian factions and God knows what else. It's a mess.

[Beerina]

They played Pat Robertson's on the radio this morning. I couldn't believe his co-hostess was sitting there agreeing with him.

"The Hatians [quite literally] 'made a deal with the Devil', so God" attacked and is letting kids suffer, dying under rubble.


Nice god there, Pat.

[dudalb]

I have a theory that we have been getting so many extreme statements from Limbaugh lately because he is worried that his positiion as the #1 Right Wing Media figure is being threatned by Glenn Beck, and he is trying to out extreme Beck.

[Ausmerican]

I have a theory that we have been getting so many extreme statements from Limbaugh lately because he is worried that his positiion as the #1 Right Wing Media figure is being threatned by Glenn Beck, and he is trying to out extreme Beck.

He'll need to up his prescription for that. And then again when Palin starts on Fox.

[MattusMaximus]

I have a theory that we have been getting so many extreme statements from Limbaugh lately because he is worried that his positiion as the #1 Right Wing Media figure is being threatned by Glenn Beck, and he is trying to out extreme Beck.

I think you're onto something here - really. After all, the top priority for both Limbaugh & Beck is, I believe, money.

:popcorn6

[Ausmerican]

I think you're onto something here - really. After all, the top priority for both Limbaugh & Beck is, I believe, money.

:popcorn6

Surely you meant to say GOLD in Beck's case at least Mattus?

[carlitos]

LOL - I'm waiting to hear the first infomercial for Krugerrands.

[dudalb]

I think you're onto something here - really. After all, the top priority for both Limbaugh & Beck is, I believe, money.

:popcorn6
Don't tell me that Rush is not jealous at all the media attention Beck has gotten over the past year.

[dudalb]

I am pretty sure that this is an oxymoron. The Republican party in Illinois died about 6 years ago, and apparently the national party has decided to join them. We have conservative radio hosts like Hugh Hewitt exhorting their listeners not to give a dime to the NRCC (http://www.nrcc.org/news/read.aspx?id=1132) and a major schism between the TEA party / religious right / Limbaugh / Steele / libertarian factions and God knows what else. It's a mess.

Even if the Dems have a huge slip in popularity..which I think is happening...the GOP might not be in a position to take advantage of it.

[Denver]

I wonder what Mr Limbaugh will make of this:


WASHINGTON — Former US presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush on Thursday accepted a request from President Barack Obama to raise funds for earthquake victims and relief efforts in Haiti, they said in a statement.

"We are pleased to accept President Obama's request to lead private sector fundraising efforts," the former presidents said in a joint statement.


Link (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g3DRFBsDx10io4h6a_nF3amozcrg)

[Eyeron]

Instead of farting in this thread with a hackneyed meme, why don't you show it true by starting your own thread with links.

Do it.

You people would just get pissed off for some damned inane reason or another and start ridiculing me for it or won't focus on a question I'd like answered. So I don't give a damn about doing so anymore.

[MattusMaximus]

I wonder what Mr Limbaugh will make of this:

Link (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g3DRFBsDx10io4h6a_nF3amozcrg)

I think he'll scream "Socialism!!!11!" :jaw-dropp or whatever other crap he thinks he needs to spew to get people to tune into his show. Got to keep that money flowing... into his own pockets.

ETA: On a serious note, I think this could start to turn into a public relations nightmare for the Republican party if they're not careful about it...

[carlitos]

I know this is tangential, but liberal journalists are also in it for the money, as best as I can tell. Olbermann and Maddow aren't donating their time to MSNBC in pursuit of the truth, are they? Nena Totenberg? Paul Krugman?

[MattusMaximus]

I know this is tangential, but liberal journalists are also in it for the money, as best as I can tell. Olbermann and Maddow aren't donating their time to MSNBC in pursuit of the truth, are they? Nena Totenberg? Paul Krugman?

True, but then they aren't shamelessly politicizing the tragedy in Haiti, are they?

[MattusMaximus]

It seems like both Limbaugh and Robertson are being pretty much universally scorned for their extreme douchebagginess...

Rush, Robertson take heat (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/31502;_ylt=AtfMxzQ73ZcNyB5Yk8ZZFaus0NUE)
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh and televangelist Pat Robertson are being scolded for their comments in the immediate aftermath of an earthquake in Haiti that has killed tens of thousands, according to early estimates.

Critics from both the left and right are denouncing their remarks as insensitive to the disaster and attempts to score political points off human tragedy. ...

It's nice to see that many (sadly, not all - re: Newsbusters) conservative outlets are not willing to give these douchebags a pass on this one.

I think that Limbaugh especially stepped in this one pretty deeply. It'll be interesting to see what his next move is...

:popcorn1

[carlitos]

True, but then they aren't shamelessly politicizing the tragedy in Haiti, are they?
Is this a non-sequitir? Because I think it is.

[quadraginta]

He'll need to up his prescription for that. And then again when Palin starts on Fox.


That may be difficult. Even with the ACLU behind him most doctors are going to be wary now if he comes "shopping".

I wonder if he still has to take the court-ordered random drug tests?

[ProbeX]

I could see Limbaugh's statement having some truth to it ...

What the heck makes you think that?? Anyway, I do agree with the rest of what you said.

[Whiplash]

Well, maybe now people will better understand why so few of us on the left felt any sort of sympathy when the pig man was in the hospital.


Hmm. let me think about that.

Hmm.

Nope, I don't see it.

ETA: Never mind, I can't take this forum anymore. Hopeless cause is hopeless, I shall not return. Hip hip...

[Cobalt]

Hmm. let me think about that.

Hmm.

Nope, I don't see it.

ETA: Never mind, I can't take this forum anymore. Hopeless cause is hopeless, I shall not return. Hip hip...

Erm, I like you, bro, but, broken record is broken.

[Undesired Walrus]

Entire schools collapsed on scores of young children because their ancestors may have made a pact with the devil?

Robertson is simply evil.

[Undesired Walrus]

I like how Limbaugh has a problem with the President calling a press conference immediately after a natural disaster that has left 45,000-50,000 dead and 3 million in urgent need while not immediately addressing the nation after a terrorist attack that only injured a Nigerian's private parts.

[Pardalis]

This board is extremely American centric. The amount of discussion about those two pricks who really should be ignored like the scum that they are greatly surpasses discussions about the actual disaster itself, and the efforts the entire world is sending there.

It always has to come back to your schizophrenic Right vs Left mindset.

Just my two cents.

[tyr_13]

This board is extremely American centric. The amount of discussion about those two pricks who really should be ignored like the scum that they are greatly surpasses discussions about the actual disaster itself, and the efforts the entire world is sending there.

It always has to come back to your schizophrenic Right vs Left mindset.

Just my two cents.

While I do think that they get too much attention, I can't say I blame this board for that. When they stop being politically relevant, we'll stop talking about them. Robertson might almost be there, but Limbaugh still has way too much clout.

As for us talking about it more than the actual disaster, that's probably because there is more conflict, apart from the other politics thread.

[timhau]

Entire schools collapsed on scores of young children because their ancestors may have made a pact with the devil?

... to get out of slavery.

I swear, if I didn't know Satan was the bad guy and Pat's god was the good one...

[Beerina]

Entire schools collapsed on scores of young children because their ancestors may have made a pact with the devil?

Robertson, like the god he praises, is simply evil.

Fixed.

[Travis]

Just a thought, if Obama is only helping Haiti because they are black does this now confirm that Bush didn't help New Orleans because it was mostly black? Granted I don't believe in either proposition but if you do accept the possibility of one wouldn't you have to consider the other?

[Skeptic Guy]

... to get out of slavery.

I swear, if I didn't know Satan was the bad guy and Pat's god was the good one...

This is my point. They make a pact with the Devil to get out of slavery and then 200 years later God gets all up in their face over it and decides to kill a few tens of thousands of them, I'd set-up a shrine to my buddy, Beelzebub in a flash.

[Drysdale]

Could it be that Rush was taking a shot at Reid here about the light skinned black statement he made?

He is a huge antagonizer so I've gotta think he was taking a shot at Reid.

[Drysdale]

Just a thought, if Obama is only helping Haiti because they are black does this now confirm that Bush didn't help New Orleans because it was mostly black? Granted I don't believe in either proposition but if you do accept the possibility of one wouldn't you have to consider the other?

New Orleans received no help?

[Travis]

New Orleans received no help?

If you believe the rhetoric of the eminent genius Kanye West, yeah.

[MattusMaximus]

Sigh... Rush just keeps digging even deeper... :dig:

Rush Limbaugh 'meant' what he said about Haiti (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31539.html)
Rush Limbaugh is not backing down from his claim that President Barack Obama is trying to score political points off the earthquake in Haiti.

Challenged by a caller during his show Thursday, Limbaugh said: “If I said it, I meant to say it, and I do believe that everything is political to this president.” ...

Wow, if Rush has people calling onto his show (getting past the screeners) who are giving him grief, that's saying something.

At least it seems that Pat Robertson has had the good sense to shut up.

[marksman]

You know, it's one thing to accuse the president of using the Haiti tragedy to his own political gain. (Which, even if true, would seem to me better than when the alternative -- natural disasters that actually make the President look worse... hint... hint.)

But Rush is going beyond that. He's telling people not to donate to Haitian relief efforts (http://www.newser.com/story/78228/rush-limbaugh-dont-donate-to-haiti-victims.html)! That's beyond petty partisanship. That's just evil.

[Cain]

Rush Limbaugh has talent on loan from God. Speaking of God, these natural disasters should cause a crisis of faith, especially when religious leaders go ahead and say stupid things.

I'm doin' my part to make the world a less terrible place, but it doesn't involve donating a single dime to these relief efforts. No way, Jose... I'm saving up for my plastic surgeries.

[DrBaltar]

It amazes me that Pat Robertson lives in the modern world in a so-called advanced society. The only way I can rationalize what he said with that fact is that he is simply insane.

Rush may have a point not so much about Obama politicizing the Haiti disaster relief, but about the left politicizing it. BO will simply rush over a nice helping of relief and aid to Haity, as he should. But now the AP, left-leaning political commentators, bloggers, and forum posters will draw political comparisons between BO & GB with Haiti and Katrina. He is right about that. But of course he and all the right-wing people are doing the same thing. The country is so divided, that's all anyone does anymore.

[dudalb]

If you believe the rhetoric of the eminent genius Kanye West, yeah.


Not a big fan of the singer "Pink", but her comment after Kayne's behavior at the MTV music awards that Kayne was A Piece Of S--- was 100% on.

[MattusMaximus]

It amazes me that Pat Robertson lives in the modern world in a so-called advanced society. The only way I can rationalize what he said with that fact is that he is simply insane.

That, or he's a cynical jerk trying to appeal to the people who hold those insane beliefs. You should see some of the comments on my blog post on this topic (see my sig file).

Rush may have a point not so much about Obama politicizing the Haiti disaster relief, but about the left politicizing it. BO will simply rush over a nice helping of relief and aid to Haity, as he should. But now the AP, left-leaning political commentators, bloggers, and forum posters will draw political comparisons between BO & GB with Haiti and Katrina. He is right about that. But of course he and all the right-wing people are doing the same thing. The country is so divided, that's all anyone does anymore.

Sadly I have to agree with you on this. Of course, part of this is the media attempting to hype up the politics in order to keep us tuning in :rolleyes:

[leftysergeant]

You know, it's one thing to accuse the president of using the Haiti tragedy to his own political gain. (Which, even if true, would seem to me better than when the alternative -- natural disasters that actually make the President look worse... hint... hint.)

But Rush is going beyond that. He's telling people not to donate to Haitian relief efforts (http://www.newser.com/story/78228/rush-limbaugh-dont-donate-to-haiti-victims.html)! That's beyond petty partisanship. That's just evil.

The pig man is so eager to see Obama fail that he is willing to urge people not to act like humans in response to human suffering.

God forbid that Obama pull off an operation as massive as the NO response and do it better and cheaper than Shrub did. Might make Republicans look useless in times of war and disaster...come to think of it...

[Grizzly Bear]

But Rush is going beyond that. He's telling people not to donate to Haitian relief efforts (http://www.newser.com/story/78228/rush-limbaugh-dont-donate-to-haiti-victims.html)! That's beyond petty partisanship. That's just evil.

Not as evil as going religiously bat*** crazy with devil pacts, but I'll say that's a damn stupid statement coming from him. I really could care less if he were correct on that one or not. :\
If it were me, I'd at least save the politics for when it becomes relevant; instead he seems to be throwing it out there randomly...

[marksman]

Not as evil as going religiously bat*** crazy with devil pacts
I'd say it's actually more evil. Rush is telling people not to help people who are in dire need.

Robertson didn't tell people not to donate to Haiti relief funds. Actually, I'd be surprised if Robertson didn't donate some funds to relief efforts. is twisted version of Christianity requires him to condemn victims as sinners of God and then to show Christian charity by reaching out to them because they are sinners damned to Hell.

So, yes, I think Rush is more evil because Rush is exhorting people to withhold charity they would otherwise have freely given.

[MaGZ]

Entire schools collapsed on scores of young children because their ancestors may have made a pact with the devil?

Robertson is simply evil.

Is this "pact with the devil" thing a historical fact?

Did Haitians really think they could make a pact with the devil?

[MaGZ]

This board is extremely American centric. The amount of discussion about those two pricks who really should be ignored like the scum that they are greatly surpasses discussions about the actual disaster itself, and the efforts the entire world is sending there.

It always has to come back to your schizophrenic Right vs Left mindset.

Just my two cents.

If all Canadians became Americans I'm sure you would feel better about this.

[MaGZ]

The pig man is so eager to see Obama fail that he is willing to urge people not to act like humans in response to human suffering.

God forbid that Obama pull off an operation as massive as the NO response and do it better and cheaper than Shrub did. Might make Republicans look useless in times of war and disaster...come to think of it...

The problem is: a lot of Rush's listeners first have to be convinced the Haitian people are human.

[dudalb]

The problem is: a lot of Rush's listeners first have to be convinced the Haitian people are human.


Of course in your mind they are Untermenschen.

[marksman]

His twisted version of Christianity requires him to condemn victims as sinners of God and then to show Christian charity by reaching out to them because they are sinners damned to Hell.
As I suspected, Robertson is sending his charitable foundation (http://www.patrobertson.com/pressreleases/haiti.asp) to help out in Haiti.

So as hateful as Robertson's comments are, he's infinitely better than Rush and his exhortation to abandon Haiti in its time of need.

[MattusMaximus]

As I suspected, Robertson is sending his charitable foundation (http://www.patrobertson.com/pressreleases/haiti.asp) to help out in Haiti.

So as hateful as Robertson's comments are, he's infinitely somewhat better than Rush and his exhortation to abandon Haiti in its time of need.

Fixed that for you ;)

I agree. For all of his douchebagginess via his remarks, at least Robertson is doing something to help out.

Part of me wouldn't mind if Limbaugh got hit by a truck right about now :mad:

[leftysergeant]

The problem is: a lot of Rush's listeners first have to be convinced the Haitian people are human.

Of course they would. If they were not racist, they would probably be out picketting the studios of radio stations that carry the pig man demanding that he be drowned in his swill trough.

I am far from convinced that the fat deaf eunuch blathermeister is human.

[PAC]

For those of us who have to live with fundamentalists every day (family is hard to get away from) is is interesting that almost all of them have great respect for Rush and Pat. They beat their chests about their CHRISTIANITY
yet fail to see any problem with the actions of these two. It is enough
to drive us nuts!!!!!!!!!

[PAC]

Thank you for listening. It is so difficult to remain civil with them. When we see them this weekend it will be so hard not to bring up the comments of the Rush and Pat boys. However, it does no good. Arguing with them about these two is like punching jello. You get all worked up, slam your fist into the jello and it simply goes back to the shape it had before.

[Thunder]

i listend to Rush's full quote, and I have to say..he didn't say anything bad. he is rightly concerned that donations that get into the hands of the Haitian govt. will be abused and misused by the dictators and corrupt politicians. he did NOT say "do not donate to any charity helping out Haiti"

while I hate Rush, and pray daily for his demise, I do not feel the need to lie about my enemy.

[Thunder]

The problem is: a lot of Rush's listeners first have to be convinced the Haitian people are human.

a lot of Rush's listeners need to be convinced that similar folks in the USA are human.

[Magyar]

i listend to Rush's full quote, and I have to say..he didn't say anything bad. he is rightly concerned that donations that get into the hands of the Haitian govt. will be abused and misused by the dictators and corrupt politicians. he did NOT say "do not donate to any charity helping out Haiti"

while I hate Rush, and pray daily for his demise, I do not feel the need to lie about my enemy.

HONESTLY - I think you're full of ****. Donations are NOT going to the govt of Haiti look at any list of org that are taking donations.


SECOND and most important Rush didn't say - don't donate to the Haitian govt.

He said DON'T donate Period because we already gave in out income tax
No matter how you try to apologize for this it was just a straight up scum bag thing to say. Period and I don't care who said it.

[rwguinn]

Thank you for listening. It is so difficult to remain civil with them. When we see them this weekend it will be so hard not to bring up the comments of the Rush and Pat boys. However, it does no good. Arguing with them about these two is like punching jello. You get all worked up, slam your fist into the jello and it simply goes back to the shape it had before.
Ah feel yore pane...
I have the same problem, here...

[Grizzly Bear]

Robertson didn't tell people not to donate to Haiti relief funds. Actually, I'd be surprised if Robertson didn't donate some funds to relief efforts. is twisted version of Christianity requires him to condemn victims as sinners of God and then to show Christian charity by reaching out to them because they are sinners damned to Hell.
Actually, in some twisted irony Robertson from what I heard did donate to the relief efforts monetarily. But his ass-hattery is nevertheless inexcusable, treating it like the donation is some troublesome effort.

ETA: Well you beat me to it...

ETA2:

I'd say it's actually more evil. Rush is telling people not to help people who are in dire need.
So, yes, I think Rush is more evil because Rush is exhorting people to withhold charity they would otherwise have freely given.
That's not the issue. He's not saying do not donate... His concern is with the handling of money. Operating from a wrong assumption makes him wrong, not evil. And Brainster (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5513217&postcount=18) noted about his doltery already.

[marksman]

he did NOT say "do not donate to any charity helping out Haiti"
Yes, he did. (Well not with the words you invented and put in quotes.) But he did tell people not to give to Haitian relief because the aid won't get to the people who need it and we've already donated to Haitian relief in the form of income tax.

As moronic as Rush's listeners may be, the heartland tens to give disproportionately to charity. By exhorting people not to donate, Rush may be contributing to more suffering in Haiti. I find that monstrous.

I feel this as bad as when Rush exhorted his listeners not to get vaccinated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3K6ei23fDc) (0:25). I wonder how many of the 16000 people who died in America of H1N1 (http://smartabouthealth.net/diseases/2010/01/16/h1n1-has-led-to-around-16000-deaths-in-the-us/) may have survived had Rush not told people to not get vaccinated.

[Grizzly Bear]

I guess that depends on how much you want to nitpick his remarks... but if you had listened to the excerpt in it's entirety the remark that we already provide support through the income tax system stems from his suspicion of why anyone wanting to donate would go to the whithouse.gov website to be directed to the appropriate charity. He does also go on about throwing money at inept governments which can't spend the money we "throw" at them and how charities are already helping, but for all the idiotic assumptions he runs under in that excerpt he does not try to discourage people from offering charities at all.


Caller: My question is why did Obama in the sound bite you played earlier where he's talking about if you want to donate some money you can go to whitehouse.gov and be directed [Rush saying "yeah" in concurrence] - you know to direct you how to do so. Why would, if I wanted to donate money to the Red Cross, why do I need to go to the White House.gov page and look at the propaganda.

Rush: Exactly, exactly. Would you trust that the money's going to go to Haiti?

Caller: No

Rush: But would you trust that you're names going to end up on the mailing list where Obama's people are gonna start asking you for campaign donations for him and other causes.

Caller: Absolutely

Rush: Absolutely right

Caller: That's the point.

Rush: Besides we've already donated to Haiti, it's called the US income tax.

Just like you are wrong about him telling others not to take the H1N1 vaccine... as his remarks clearly show:

Limbaugh:
"...and now you've got Catherine Sibelius saying you MUST take the pig flue vaccine! You must take it! Screw you Ms. Sibelius I am not going to take it precisely because you're telling me I must..."

That doesn't mean I haven't lost respect for him in this case, but I'm also not going to invent his words just for the sake of playing gotcha. He has an opinion he's publicizing... and for all intents and purposes people either agree or disagree them, but he's not telling anybody in those sound clips what to do.

[Ziggurat]

So here's some more Haitian fun: Robertson thinks Haiti got hit because of a pact with the devil. Danny Glover thinks Haiti got hit because we didn't make a pact with Gaia.
http://www.linktv.org/about/blog/post/355/danny-glover-on-haiti-and-climate-change-we-have-to-act-now
“When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this [the Haitian earthquake] is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?”

The most amusing thing for me was that this train wreck interview is being plugged by that web site as "thoughtful insight".

[johnny karate]

...in that excerpt he does not try to discourage people from offering charities at all.

Yes, he does.

You didn't bold the key statement:
Besides we've already donated to Haiti, it's called the US income tax.


I'm not sure how you could interpret that statement as meaning anything other than "Don't give Haiti your money".

[marksman]

Good clip. Go to 1:50 at the video. Glover says the following:

"The threat that happened to Haiti is a threat that could happen anywhere in the Caribbean to these island nations, you know. There's all this hell because of global warming, there's all this hell because of climate change, and all the-- we lead the planet. When we did what we did at the climate summit in Coenhagen, this is the response. This is what happens."

I believe climate change is real, man-made and crucial. But I don't believe that the planet punished Haiti because we didn't get enough done at Copenhagen. I don't believe that earthwuakes are caused by climate change.

In the end, Glover, Robertson, and Limbaugh are three of a kind. They each have a political agenda (climate change, millennialism, and anti-Obama-ism) and everything that happens in the world will be squeezed into that agenda like a sausage-maker until the original material is unrecognizable.

[leftysergeant]

In the end, Glover, Robertson, and Limbaugh are three of a kind. They each have a political agenda (climate change, millennialism, and anti-Obama-ism) and everything that happens in the world will be squeezed into that agenda like a sausage-maker until the original material is unrecognizable.

Leave Glover out of that cess pool. He may be a kook, he may be just misguided on one point, but at least he is a more decent person that the pig man and the Servant of the Harlot. He does not wish harm on the innocent, nor defraud people of their money, nor wish failure on a nation that refuses to kowtow to the wealthy, nor support terrorists to enrich his church.

[marksman]

I was only comparing their penchant for using any tragedy to pursue their political agenda, whether sensible or not. Certainly, Glover's agenda may be laudable while Robertson and Limbaugh's are horrific, but it was the means of advancing the agenda I was decrying in that post, not the ends.

[ProbeX]

Just a thought, if Obama is only helping Haiti because they are black does this now confirm that Bush didn't help New Orleans because it was mostly black? Granted I don't believe in either proposition but if you do accept the possibility of one wouldn't you have to consider the other?

The premise that Obama would only help Haiti because he is "Black" is flawed. This analogy is off because Obama is biracial, both Black and White, and was brought up by a White family. So his situation is not analogous to Bush's, in terms of race motivation.

Some of Obama's detractors call Obama Half-White when he gets credited as savvy, brilliant or articulate, while referring to him as Black (only) when they wish to question his motivations or judgement. Come to think of it, some Obama supporters also paint him mono-ethnic (Black), for certain political reasons, at certain times.

[Ziggurat]

Certainly, Glover's agenda may be laudable while Robertson and Limbaugh's are horrific,

Keep in mind that for lefty, this is synonymous with Glover being a left-winger and Rush and Robertson being right wingers.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Instead of farting in this thread with a hackneyed meme, why don't you show it true by starting your own thread with links.

Do it.
So here's some more Haitian fun: Robertson thinks Haiti got hit because of a pact with the devil. Danny Glover thinks Haiti got hit because we didn't make a pact with Gaia.
http://www.linktv.org/about/blog/post/355/danny-glover-on-haiti-and-climate-change-we-have-to-act-now
“When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this [the Haitian earthquake] is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?”

The most amusing thing for me was that this train wreck interview is being plugged by that web site as "thoughtful insight".

The ball's in your court, David.

[Travis]

The premise that Obama would only help Haiti because he is "Black" is flawed. This analogy is off because Obama is biracial, both Black and White, and was brought up by a White family. So his situation is not analogous to Bush's, in terms of race motivation.

The premise is flawed for many reasons. That is but one of them.

[leftysergeant]

Keep in mind that for lefty, this is synonymous with Glover being a left-winger and Rush and Robertson being right wingers.

I find Glover's actions more laudable because he is more human than the pig man or the Servant of the Harlot.

I am a lefty because liberalism offers more reliable and tested solutions to the basic problems of huma existance than does unchecked capitalism.

[ProbeX]

The premise is flawed for many reasons. That is but one of them.

You said

... if Obama is only helping Haiti because they are black does this now confirm that Bush didn't help New Orleans because it was mostly black?

You then asked if, you consider one, "wouldn't you have to consider the other?"

And I'm saying obviously not. It's simply a bad analogy. If a detractor's argument starts with a basic misrepresentation of the identity of the person being attacked (Obama), it's hard to see how the conclusion, based on identity politics, ever had a chance at being viable ; ) To me that is the gist of the entire argument.

[Grizzly Bear]

Yes, he does.

You didn't bold the key statement:



I'm not sure how you could interpret that statement as meaning anything other than "Don't give Haiti your money".

I'm pretty certain to people who listen to the exchange of remarks in context it indicates he formed an opinion and was laughably wrong. Laughably wrong because he was too paranoid about having to end up on a whitehouse email list or soaking himself in propaganda to bother looking.

I don't think putting words in his mouth is really needed to show how dumb his basis for those remarks were, but he hasn't sunk as low as most of his biggest critics probably wish he did.

[DavidJames]

Edit for clarity
The ball's in your court, David.First, I said start a new thread. However here is his quoteOh this is just more partisan rhetorical nonsense. Oh noes, Rush said something mean again! I'm telling mommy!

Please, anything like this is always politicized in some way. If a liberal version of Rush did this very thing, would you expect the liberals to be complaining about it?

Oh hell no.

They'd be applauding it all they way!Second, are you really saying that Glover is a liberal Rush, seriously?
Finally, please point to all the liberals that are applauding Glover.

You struck out.

[leftysergeant]

Edit for clarity
First, I said start a new thread. However here is his quoteSecond, are you really saying that Glover is a liberal Rush, seriously?

Glover is a damned fine actor, but hardly a political pundit. His views on race are more rationally-founded than those on science. Most of us would never quote him on scientific matters.

At the same time, we would trust him more on just about any matter than we would the pig man or the Servant of the Harlot.

We just have too many more reliable spokes people and mentors and our good sense to need a liberal version of the two idiots.

Besides that, we have Thom Hartmann and Rachael Maddow.

[MattusMaximus]

So here's some more Haitian fun: Robertson thinks Haiti got hit because of a pact with the devil. Danny Glover thinks Haiti got hit because we didn't make a pact with Gaia.
http://www.linktv.org/about/blog/post/355/danny-glover-on-haiti-and-climate-change-we-have-to-act-now
“When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this [the Haitian earthquake] is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m sayin’?”

:eek:

The most amusing thing for me was that this train wreck interview is being plugged by that web site as "thoughtful insight".

OMFSM... I'm beginning to wish that we could just stick the Pat Robertsons, Rush Limbaughs, and Danny Glovers of the world in a really deep hole somewhere :rolleyes:http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_774749fe3d4290b22.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16214)http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_774749fe3d4290b22.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16214)http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_774749fe3d4290b22.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16214)http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_774749fe3d4290b22.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16214)http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_774749fe3d4290b22.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16214)

[leftysergeant]

Glover only does dumb stuff on the spur of the moment. He doesn't make a career of it.

Glover does not set out to hurt people. Ignore him until his next move comes out. He actually has a useful place in a civilized nation.

[Redtail]

Ok, I officially go on record...

Glover when he says this is the response, he was talking about the rescue effort and not the earthquake itself.

The threat that the countries are under statement is referring to natural disasters hurricanes, and flooding.

If he clarifies the statement and insist that global waring caused the earthquake I'll retract the statement.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Glover only does dumb stuff on the spur of the moment. He doesn't make a career of it.

You clearly haven't seen "2012" yet.

[Pardalis]

Glover only does dumb stuff on the spur of the moment. He doesn't make a career of it.

Yeah, right (http://ovario.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/danny-glover-and-hugo-chavez.jpg)... :rolleyes:

[Ziggurat]

Glover when he saysthis is the response,he was talking about the rescue effort and not the earthquake itself.
Sorry, doesn't cut it. The disaster response still has nothing to do with global warming, nothing to do with Copenhagen, and nothing to do with any other form of climate change agreements.

The threat that the countries are under statement is referring to natural disasters hurricanes, and flooding.

Which have nothing to do with earthquakes, which is what Haiti experienced.

Look, I don't care what you think Glover might have meant (and really, it's only possible to make such excuses if you assume he meant something more reasonable), what he did say was bloody *********** stupid.

[Ziggurat]

Yeah, right (http://ovario.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/danny-glover-and-hugo-chavez.jpg)... :rolleyes:

This is lefty we're talking about, he's got rather different standards (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5109810#post5109810) than most of us for evaluating the actions of leftists.

[leftysergeant]

This is lefty we're talking about, he's got rather different standards (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5109810#post5109810) than most of us for evaluating the actions of leftists.

Yeah, whether they act with malice or compassion and have thought out what they are doing.

When Republicans do stupid crap I just assume it is from dim-witedness until I see signs of malice, but I usually need not look far to find at least avarice.

[Walter Ego]

I know this is tangential, but liberal journalists are also in it for the money, as best as I can tell. Olbermann and Maddow aren't donating their time to MSNBC in pursuit of the truth, are they? Nena Totenberg? Paul Krugman?

But Olbermann put his money where his mouth is...

Olbermann Donates $50K to Free Health Clinics (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/oleeb/2009/10/olbermann-donates-50k-to-free.php).

[Plagiarius]

There isn't exactly anything unusual about the US stepping in to provide aid to that country, not really an issue of who's in the oval office.

Haha yes, we all know about the 'aid' US policies have been directing towards Haiti, with the World Bank and WTO as mediator. It might've been better equipped to deal with a quake if it had more surplus if it's agricultural base wasn't utterly screwed, along with servicing loan repayments and other issues associated with the extensiving liberalising of it's economy, transforming it into how it's now known as the 'Taiwan' of the Caribbean. A large amount of rural Haitians were forced into slum areas in order to find manufacturing jobs after being squeezed out of the agricultural business by subsidised American imports. This is why you hear about houses practically 'being built on top of eachother.'

Strangely, a staggering amount of troops (10,000) have been sent, considering the amount relative to the troops just sent to Afghanistan, a much larger country and a theater of operations. Why so many American troops, and not UN peacekeeoer forces?

[leftysergeant]

Strangely, a staggering amount of troops (10,000) have been sent, considering the amount relative to the troops just sent to Afghanistan, a much larger country and a theater of operations. Why so many American troops, and not UN peacekeeoer forces?

The UN does not have an aircraft carrier and 10000 troops just make a dent in the efforts to find and bury the dead. And how many of those people are on the USS Carl Vinson and the USS Comfort?

[Ziggurat]

Lefty's right on this one: relief efforts are VERY labor-intensive, and the magnitude required here is simply enormous. Haiti could probably use a lot more than 10,000 troops right now, but there's a limit to how many people we can field on such short notice into an area with so little infrastructure of its own. And the UN cannot field significant numbers of troops on short notice (they already had peacekeepers in Haiti when the quake hit, but IIRC their own buildings collapsed). Hell, nobody BUT us really has the logistical capability to do that.

[Flo]

Lefty's right on this one: relief efforts are VERY labor-intensive, and the magnitude required here is simply enormous. Haiti could probably use a lot more than 10,000 troops right now, but there's a limit to how many people we can field on such short notice into an area with so little infrastructure of its own. And the UN cannot field significant numbers of troops on short notice (they already had peacekeepers in Haiti when the quake hit, but IIRC their own buildings collapsed). Hell, nobody BUT us really has the logistical capability to do that.


France, maybe, and they have bases in the Carribean (Martinique, Guadeloupe, and French Guyana).

[leftysergeant]

France, maybe, and they have bases in the Carribean (Martinique, Guadeloupe, and French Guyana).

They're kind of short on heavy comabt engineers and earth-moving equipment. We have it on hand and the ability to get it there faster than it can be brought in from France.

[Lurker]

As I suspected, Robertson is sending his charitable foundation (http://www.patrobertson.com/pressreleases/haiti.asp) to help out in Haiti.

So as hateful as Robertson's comments are, he's infinitely better than Rush and his exhortation to abandon Haiti in its time of need.

If it was God's will that Haiti be subjected to the Devil's due then isn't Robertson going against God by sending aid to Haiti? Or is he just helping clean up God's messes? Odd.

[daredelvis]

Glover is an idiot. That response is magnitudes more response than his influence on society warrants. Of course the right will take every opportunity to bring it up in an attempt to mitigate the vile comments and beliefs held by Rush and Pat.

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[marksman]

If it was God's will that Haiti be subjected to the Devil's due then isn't Robertson going against God by sending aid to Haiti? Or is he just helping clean up God's messes? Odd.

Technically, Robertson didn't attribute the earthquake to God. In other comments, he makes it pretty clear that he thinks this is the Satanic consequence of making a deal with Satan.

So in Robertson's twisted mindview, the Haitian slaves made a deal with Satan in which Satan would help them overthrow their French slavemasters, but that Satan would then afflict Haiti with disasters and poverty for some indeterminate time thereafter. (Presumably, Robertson believes that if enough Haitians were to abandon voudoun, and join a "real religion" like fundamentalist Christianity, everything would change for the better.)

[Lurker]

Technically, Robertson didn't attribute the earthquake to God. In other comments, he makes it pretty clear that he thinks this is the Satanic consequence of making a deal with Satan.

So in Robertson's twisted mindview, the Haitian slaves made a deal with Satan in which Satan would help them overthrow their French slavemasters, but that Satan would then afflict Haiti with disasters and poverty for some indeterminate time thereafter. (Presumably, Robertson believes that if enough Haitians were to abandon voudoun, and join a "real religion" like fundamentalist Christianity, everything would change for the better.)

So Satan is in charge of natural disasters and God is impotent? Robertson is a twisted SOB. Why is teh Islam off the hook?

[DavidJames]

So the only question now is who on the Right will have the courage common decency to denounce these clowns.GWB said the right thing (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100117/cm_huffpost/426248) about Rush's comments yesterday. Haven't seen any others yet.

[marksman]

So Satan is in charge of natural disasters and God is impotent? Robertson is a twisted SOB. Why is teh Islam off the hook?

I'm pretty sure Robertson doesn't think they are. I wouldn't be surprised if he blamed the Tsunami in Indonesia on their Muslim alliance with Satan.

And on the impotence argument, I doubt Robertson thinks God is impotent, but I'm sure he believes that if you enter into a pact with Satan of your own free will, God own't interfer with that free will by mitigating the effects of the pact. Robertson apparently believes all of Haiti has reaffirmed their descendants' compact with Satan through Voudou (despite the fact that very few Haitians actually practice voudou).

I'm not saying Robertson is not hateful He is. I'm just saying he doesn't think God sent the earthquake.

[johnny karate]

I'm pretty certain to people who listen to the exchange of remarks in context it indicates he formed an opinion and was laughably wrong. Laughably wrong because he was too paranoid about having to end up on a whitehouse email list or soaking himself in propaganda to bother looking.

I don't think putting words in his mouth is really needed to show how dumb his basis for those remarks were, but he hasn't sunk as low as most of his biggest critics probably wish he did.

Dude, I directly quoted the man.

I realize now he is back-pedaling, claiming he was purposely misinterpreted but he said what he said.

[Cain]

The Orange County Register had an article today blaring "OC Pastor agrees: Haiti made deal with Satan."

“They said, ‘If you’ll help us, we’ll dedicated ourselves and our government to Satan,’” said Drake, who made headlines last year when he asked his “prayer warriors” to pray for President Barack Obama’s death. He’s also party in a lawsuit seeking to remove Obama from office on the grounds that he’s not a natural born citizen..

He's since changed his views on praying for Obama's death, so these guys are not beyond reason:

“I don’t want Obama to die,” he said. “I want him to live so he can go to jail as an usurper.”

Also, these guys are raising money despite the pact the unchosens have made with the devil:

Both Robertson and the Southern Baptists are raising money for earthquake relief in Haiti.

“All the children and so forth weren’t necessarily in deals with the devil - and even those who were, we’re still going to minister to their suffering,” Drake said.

[Grizzly Bear]

Dude, I directly quoted the man.
Then allow me to rephrase; I agree. I agree it can be interpreted just as you wrote it. My pet peeve is with people interpreting it as more than a personal opinion referring to himself, going as far to say he was expressing an explicit command to listeners NOT to donate, hence putting words in mouth. I don't see it that way and you already know my opinion of his justification isn't changing regardless. But people want to add imaginary material to that, and that's as bad on credibility as his inability to factcheck.

I realize now he is back-pedaling, claiming he was purposely misinterpreted but he said what he said.
Not sure I care if he was misrepresented or not anymore. The more I discuss it, the more I'm finding it to be a semantics issue. I already condemn him for politicizing the Haiti issue from the get go and to top it off he'd still be wrong about his reasons. There are some parts as I said earlier about how the money's been wasted in the past that I agree with but that's a separate issue.

I'm outie from this thread...

[Travis]

Haha yes, we all know about the 'aid' US policies have been directing towards Haiti, with the World Bank and WTO as mediator.

Angry Communism failed? :rolleyes:

I won't say all their policies worked but I do believe they were done with good intentions.

It might've been better equipped to deal with a quake if it had more surplus if it's agricultural base wasn't utterly screwed, along with servicing loan repayments and other issues associated with the extensiving liberalising of it's economy, transforming it into how it's now known as the 'Taiwan' of the Caribbean. A large amount of rural Haitians were forced into slum areas in order to find manufacturing jobs after being squeezed out of the agricultural business by subsidised American imports. This is why you hear about houses practically 'being built on top of eachother.'

Why should the US have preferentially imported Haitian sugar and why couldn't some other country have done so? Perhaps differentiating the economy to be something other than a mono-resource based one was the reason for the WTO conditions. Clearly that didn't work but that was the goal.

Strangely, a staggering amount of troops (10,000) have been sent, considering the amount relative to the troops just sent to Afghanistan, a much larger country and a theater of operations. Why so many American troops, and not UN peacekeeoer forces?

Well, first off there will be many times more US troops in Afghanistan. Secondly, the UN has no troops of it's own. Thirdly the US has enormous capability to send troops fast for disaster relief. Lastly, since the UN has little resources to respond and the US has so many who do you think the UN would ultimately ask to deploy there in the end?

[Darth Rotor]

I find Glover's actions more laudable because he is more human than the pig man or the Servant of the Harlot.
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Let me get this right: are you cool with Danny Glover asserting that the mistakes of the Copenhagen conference are what led to a seismic event?

Come on, lefty, he's being an oaf here.

Glover only does dumb stuff on the spur of the moment. He doesn't make a career of it.

He does not have his own talk show, and as far as I know isn't paid to go out of his way to start controversy. Rush is. Robertson ... IMO, senile is too kind of a word.

I suspect Danny Glover is, as so often happens with Hollywood loons, letting mouth overtemp his lightweight brain, but what he said was silly and nearly woo like. I empathize with his emotional reaction, but would rather he did a little reasoning, a little critical thinking, before opening his pie hole in a rush to be heard. I have no animus against Danny Glover, he's been a favorite screen presence of mine for years. But he's making a complete ass of himself, and apologists for irrational ranting -- sound familiar? -- by not going through one more iteration of "think" before the first iteration of "speak" in this case.

@ Redtail: it is possible, even likely, that your reading of the comments is where he intended to go.

DR

[dudalb]

Angry Communism failed? :rolleyes:

I won't say all their policies worked but I do believe they were done with good intentions.



Why should the US have preferentially imported Haitian sugar and why couldn't some other country have done so? Perhaps differentiating the economy to be something other than a mono-resource based one was the reason for the WTO conditions. Clearly that didn't work but that was the goal.



Well, first off there will be many times more US troops in Afghanistan. Secondly, the UN has no troops of it's own. Thirdly the US has enormous capability to send troops fast for disaster relief. Lastly, since the UN has little resources to respond and the US has so many who do you think the UN would ultimately ask to deploy there in the end?


And also the US is a LOT closer to Haiti then any other nation that could deploy that amount of troops.
I love the way some lefties can find evil intent in ANY American Action.