View Full Version : FBI Wronfully Imprisons 72 Year Old In South Africa
subgenius
26th February 2003, 03:14 PM
"The retired engineer from Bristol, who revealed that he was deaf in one ear, told how he had to sleep on a mat on a concrete floor and that there was an intermittent water supply.
"He added: 'There was no direct light into the cells and there was very little light.'
"He said that the only thing that kept him going was doing a local newspaper's crossword, but there was not enough light to read after 4pm. 'I was just glad there was a flushing toilet,' he said.
"Mr Bond said that he had been getting very despondent as protestations for his innocence had been having 'very little effect' on the FBI, and that the South African police, although he did not criticise them directly, were 'acting under instructions from the FBI'. He told reporters that nobody had taken a personal statement from him until he had been in the cells for ten days.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,343-592146,00.html
subgenius
26th February 2003, 03:19 PM
The US Attorney's Office apologised for the blunder. John Lewis, an official at that office, said: "We got the wrong man."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1-591965,00.html
Hazelip
26th February 2003, 03:39 PM
I'm getting really tired of this gestapo crap...
corplinx
26th February 2003, 03:46 PM
Who was really at fault, the FBI or the South African police?
subgenius
26th February 2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
Who was really at fault, the FBI or the South African police?
FBI. South Africa was holding him at their request (per the articles).
If you read the post above you see that the FBI admitted fault.
Reginald
26th February 2003, 03:56 PM
Its been big news over here this week.
The guy was red flagged by the FBI and arrested by the S African police. Despite his and many others protestations that he wasnt the man they sought, the FBI took ages to deal with it. It is the time delay that is the problem here, given the mans age and condition.
He looked nothing like the man the FBI wanted.
I feel that had the real suspect not been arrested today he would still be waiting to get out of his cell.
He wanted to be extradited to the US to get it sorted out asap.
Given the mans age, and the seriousness of the crime he was mistakenly accused of, I think that they should have been over there right away to sort it out.
This kind of thing does the FBI no service at all. As soon as I saw the pictures, the difference in the pictures, my immediate thought was "And these are the guys who are trying to catch Bin Laden??"
Take no pensioners!!:rolleyes:
subgenius
26th February 2003, 04:03 PM
Yes, I've been following it in the Times Online.....outrageous.....he's lucky he didn't die.
Yes, these are the guys we trust with our liberty.
See also:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14744
corplinx
26th February 2003, 04:25 PM
This is a case of incompetence versus malevolence I think. Another example of why the FBI needs changes.
corplinx
26th February 2003, 04:29 PM
In defense of the FBI, they didnt call South Africa and say "put this guy in the most kafkaesque cell you can find".
subgenius
26th February 2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by corplinx
This is a case of incompetence versus malevolence I think. Another example of why the FBI needs changes.
Certainly no one claimed malevolence.
Another reason to protect the Bill of Rights. It helps protect against evil and mere incompetence.
Not much wrong with the system other than its run by humans, who happen to be .....human.
corplinx
26th February 2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by subgenius
Not much wrong with the system other than its run by humans, who happen to be .....human.
Oversight, oversight, oversight.
With great power comes great responsibility. In most cases of incompetence or abuse you can find a lack of oversight.
© 2001-2009, James Randi Educational Foundation. All Rights Reserved.
vBulletin® v3.7.7, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.