You Want More Proof (3)?

[Iacchus]

http://www.dionysus.org/479.gif

479 - Winepress (11)

Anyone notice this was my 479th post? ;)

I'm dedicating this thread to shemp, who wanted to be the first to let me know I was an idiot in the last thread, You Want More Proof (2)? (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33588)

Of course it may have been in retaliation to my post in his thread, I sent an email to your briefs (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31969) ...

Originally posted by shemp

Put your hand down there and check. Originally posted by Iacchus

So, what's up besides Uranus? ... Time!!!

Which is as it should be I suppose, at least according to the Greeks. Because when Father Sky (Uranus) became too obusive with Mother Earth (Gaia), his son Cronos (Father Time) stepped up to the plate, with flint sickle in hand, and whack! there went the family jewels. Whereas he tossed them into the sea, and guess what? Up sprang Aphrodite -- which, means "foam born" (of the sea).

So in fact maybe Time is up and, a "new transition" is about to take place? ...See any correlation to the Book of Revelation below?

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. (Revelation 14:14-20 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?language=English&version=KJV&passage=Revelation+14:14-20)) So basically what this is suggesting is an end of an era -- or age -- which, is what the book of Revelation is supposed to entail. All of which was supposed to occur around the year 1757 AD.

So what could that possibly mean? except that the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled. Really? Yes, and I do have the resource materials to back it up.

Also note that the number 479 is incorporated into the first "three tiers" of each triangle above, suggesting that an equilateral triangle -- itself a symbol of universality -- may have been the means by which to introduce the decimal system (in conjunction with the numbers 479 and 11 as well).

[Dorian Gray]

I often have prophetic dreams, Iacchus, and they have never been wrong before. Recently, I dreamed of the letters F and U, and the number 2. I also had another dream where I kept having to put on bigger and bigger pairs of wading boots.

But the oddest dream I had is that you had completely died inside. Is that true?

I dreamed you were an idiot, but not yet a complete idiot. You have a long way to go, a long journey ahead of you, before you reach that level. Why not try whacking yourself on the head with a hammer, and then overdosing on Robitussin to ease the pain? That may be just the vision-inducing kick you need to start the lucid oracular rambling process.

I think the significance of the number 479 was that this is the maximum number of posts you should have made. You did not follow the advice, did not adhere to the wisdom of the dream, and that is why you are not yet a complete idiot.

Thank you.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray

I often have prophetic dreams, Iacchus, and they have never been wrong before. Recently, I dreamed of the letters F and U, and the number 2. I also had another dream where I kept having to put on bigger and bigger pairs of wading boots.

But the oddest dream I had is that you had completely died inside. Is that true?

I dreamed you were an idiot, but not yet a complete idiot. You have a long way to go, a long journey ahead of you, before you reach that level. Why not try whacking yourself on the head with a hammer, and then overdosing on Robitussin to ease the pain? That may be just the vision-inducing kick you need to start the lucid oracular rambling process.

I think the significance of the number 479 was that this is the maximum number of posts you should have made. You did not follow the advice, did not adhere to the wisdom of the dream, and that is why you are not yet a complete idiot.

Thank you. Aside from that, you really have nothing to say, right?

[Yahweh]

1 = A
2 = B
3 = C
4 = D
5 = E
6 = F
7 = G
8 = H
9 = I
10 = J
11 = K
12 = L
13 = M
14 = N
15 = O
16 = P
17 = Q
18 = R
19 = S
20 = T
21 = U
22 = V
23 = W
24 = X
25 = Y
26 = Z


Y (25)
A (1)
H (8)
W (23)
E (5)
H (8)


I've attached the image below.

I thought the Hexagram was important because the Hexagram is common figure in Jewish culture. And seeing as how I am Yahweh... well, I guess it just suits me.


Take a look: From the top vertice to the bottom left-hand vertice...

25 + 8 + 8 + 25
= 66


From top to bottom right:
25 + 5 + 8 + 25
= 63

The first digit is a 6. 63 is evenly disible by 9. A 9 is an inverted 6 (or more properly, a 6 which has been rotated 180 degrees... Note: 180 is evenly divided by 6 also).

Althought 63 / 9 = 7, the 7 is rendered useless because 9 is an Agi number, 7 is Seddi number. 7 is a Seddi, which is very very good. However 9 is a mischievious number (because its an Agi), which is very bad. 9 is commonplace in witchcraft. A 9 and a 7 are mutually incompatible with one another, the 7 therefore becomes corrupted.

Note how 9 is equal to 3 * 3. There are 2 three's, a 2 and 3 always multiply to be 6. 9 is also equal to 3^2, and there is the 3-2 pair again, it AGAIN equals 6.


From bottom left to bottom right:
25 + 5 + 8 + 25
= 63

See above.


From top left to top right:
1 + 8 + 5 + 1
= 15

15 is evenly divisible by 5 which equals 3. 2 + 3 = 5. You have a 2 and 3, they multiply to be 6. How in the...???

I'll show you why 3 is so important in a minute...


The middle row is:
8 + 23 + 8
= 39

39 is divisible by 13 (A TERRIBLY UNLUCKY NUMBER!). 39/13 = 3.


Here is why the number 3 is so important:
1 + 2 = 3

Now take all the digits in that and multiply them together. You get 1 * 2 * 3 = 6. There's that number again!

Every single time, I get the number 666. I am truely the antichrist.

And go ahead, count the number of letters in my name!

And the Hexagram has 6 vertices. I'm real scared now :re:.

[RussDill]

*sigh* the others haven't even bothered, and why should I, your numerology just keeps getting more and more stretched. Anyway...

Originally posted by Iacchus
http://www.dionysus.org/479.gif

479 - Winepress (11)


Am I supposed to in any way impressed that you drew a 6 pointed star, made a circle around it, and threw your favorite numbers in there?


Anyone notice this was my 479th post? ;)


Not really, I'm not sure why that would matter, your 444th post came and went without any special meaning, so I suppose you'll try your 479th post, and then your 567th post, and whatever "special" numbers you can think of.


I'm dedicating this thread to shemp, who wanted to be the first to let me know I was an idiot in the last thread, You Want More Proof (2)? (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33588)


Good dedication, shemp is a wise, wise man.


See any correlation to the Book of Revelation below?


Why should I be surprised that they correlate? Did you know that the flood myth (noad and all) was told all around the middle east before the myth was incorporated into the hebrew mythology, doves, ark, animals and all? I fail to see any significant correlations anyway.


So basically what this is suggesting is an end of an era -- or age -- which, is what the book of Revelation is supposed to entail. All of which was supposed to occur around the year 1757 AD.


Can you point out to me where it talks about the end of an era, or age, and where you got 1757 AD?


So what could that possibly mean? except that the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled. Really? Yes, and I do have the resource materials to back it up.


Umm...first show me where you got the end of an era, and 1757 AD. Second, I'm sure some era of something or other ends all the time.


Also note that the number 479 is incorporated into the first "three tiers" of each triangle above, suggesting that an equilateral triangle


Umm, ya, you put the numbers there, I don't see your point.


-- itself a symbol of universality --


Since when has it been a symbol of universality? I would think it would be a symbol of three apposing forces or elements.


may have been the means by which to introduce the decimal system (in conjunction with the numbers 479 and 11 as well).

Umm...right, you think maybe it could instead have something to do with 10 fingers?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by RussDill
Can you point out to me where it talks about the end of an era, or age, and where you got 1757 AD?
I recognize the reference.

From Apocalypse A-No-Go Part 2 (http://www.survivingtheapocalypse.com/thefeatures/2000/january/failed_predictions_02.shtml):
The Year 1757

Emmanuel Swedenborg was a famous Swedish philosopher, author, medium, and theologian of the 18th century, whose works such as "Heaven and Hell" and "Arcana Caelestia" had much influence over such great thinkers as William Blake and Immanuel Kant. After a diversity of professional jobs, including Special Assessor to the Royal College of Mines in England, Swedenborg began to receive visions of heavenly angels which prompted him to retire from his professional life and begin life as a full-time ascetic, clairvoyant, and theologian. Among other things, the angles took Swedenborg on a journey through our solar system (astral travel, of course), showed him that our moon is actually a populated planet (whose people speak through their stomachs), and provided him with the exact year of the End Times - 1757. Despite the popularity of many of his other theories, few people took the apocalypse prediction seriously, and thus it's failure did little to damage his reputation. Swedenbourg died March 29, 1772.
:big:

Its really quite funny.

I know some history behind this:
Swedenborg sparked a bout of mass hysteria widely across isolated churches throughout the region. Add to the fact that a rather large meteor shower occurred shortly before 1757, and you can easily see this mass hysteria was well warranted. This prediction was another End-Times, and it borderlines on insanity. The year 1757 came and went with nothing out of the ordinary (oops, I guess a few people slaughtered their children and family before they could become corrupted and fall out of god's grace, but who needs to go there).

A laugh a minute this stuff is!

[El Greco]

<span style="font-size: x-large">NO, I DON'T WANT MORE PROOF</span>

[max]

I'm not religious at all......well, not any more since I realised what a load of bunkum it is. I have to say,however, that quite a few things in the book of revalations is pointing to the time we are at.
'Armies will fall from the sky.......massive hailstones shall fall on us (bombs) At that time, they could not possibly understand parachutists nor bombs from the bomber planes. The seas and rivers will turn to blood (Iraq?)
'When ten nations hold hands, that shall be the count down to the end i.e.seven years, how ever many that is in terms of the universe. The ten nations would probably be the EEC countries.

[shemp]

I am only responding to say that only an idiot would dedicate a thread to me.

[Monketey Ghost]

Originally posted by shemp
I am only responding to say that only an idiot would dedicate a thread to me.

I think I dedicated a thread to you once, you idiot.

Once. 1. Isn't that a significant number?

Woo, I gotta whip up a little diagram.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Every single time, I get the number 666. I am truely the antichrist.

And go ahead, count the number of letters in my name!

And the Hexagram has 6 vertices. I'm real scared now :re:. I really don't see what your point is, not unless you're saying it's all arbitrary? And, aside from the fact that my numbering system(s) may be numerologically based? I'm really not up on numerology. Never cracked open a book on it. So even if there is something to what you're saying here, it's totally unclear to me. Which is why I suggest try sticking to simple geometry and math, such as I have.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill
*sigh* the others haven't even bothered, and why should I, your numerology just keeps getting more and more stretched. Anyway...

Am I supposed to in any way impressed that you drew a 6 pointed star, made a circle around it, and threw your favorite numbers in there? http://www.dionysus.org/art0802.gif

Did you know that the trajectory angle of the number 479 (in accord with the circles in the triangle) is the same as the trajectory angle of the pyramid? (60 degrees).


Not really, I'm not sure why that would matter, your 444th post came and went without any special meaning, so I suppose you'll try your 479th post, and then your 567th post, and whatever "special" numbers you can think of.Are you sure? Based upon what's happened thus far I haven't drawn any conclusions, as it's a little too early to tell. However, my discovery of the trajectory angles of the number 479 and the pyramid seemed significant to me.

And yes, 567 would be a good number (or perhaps 543), as it signifies the "Heavenly Marriage." Of course at this point I don't intend to carry it much further than this, not unless something else significant comes up in this thread, Okay?


Why should I be surprised that they correlate? Did you know that the flood myth (noad and all) was told all around the middle east before the myth was incorporated into the hebrew mythology, doves, ark, animals and all? I fail to see any significant correlations anyway.Yes, I'm aware that the flood story had already circulated around the middle east, but what does that say? Except that there are certain things inherent with many cultures.


Can you point out to me where it talks about the end of an era, or age, and where you got 1757 AD?

Umm...first show me where you got the end of an era, and 1757 AD. Second, I'm sure some era of something or other ends all the time.Yes, Yahweh's quote about Emanuel Swedenborg is fairly accurate. However, it misconstrues his account of the End of Times by saying it was the end of "all times." If you studied any of his work you would know better than this.


Umm...right, you think maybe it could instead have something to do with 10 fingers? Yeah, that's what I've always thought, but it's interesting how it seems to be verifiable through the "bowling pin" factor ... ;)

[Dancing David]

O baby jebus bouncing on a pogo stick to the cruxifixtion!

That is a hoot!

The Book of Revelations was written by the whackup that denied christ three times, he was a psychotic looser. A pitiful psychotic looser.

The second coming of christ happened at pentecost, and is the allegory of the church.

The world ends every freaking minute, there is no 'end-time'. That end-time ended when the atom bomb was dropped, and that end time will end when the sun enters the house of Aquarius.

666= SUM = Rome

Jesus was a magician, like all the others and he lived in India and studied buddhism before the space ship brought him back!

The world ends every moment of time.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Its really quite funny.

I know some history behind this:
Swedenborg sparked a bout of mass hysteria widely across isolated churches throughout the region. Add to the fact that a rather large meteor shower occurred shortly before 1757, and you can easily see this mass hysteria was well warranted. This prediction was another End-Times, and it borderlines on insanity. The year 1757 came and went with nothing out of the ordinary (oops, I guess a few people slaughtered their children and family before they could become corrupted and fall out of god's grace, but who needs to go there).

A laugh a minute this stuff is! I would suggest you get your facts straight about the End of Times here, because in no way was it ever implied to mean the end of "all times." If you would like to understand what is meant by this "progression of churches" (regarding the end of the Christian Church, specifically), I do allude to this in Chapter 1 (http://www.dionysus.org/x0101.html) of my book.

http://www.dionysus.org/x0101.html

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Dancing David
O baby jebus bouncing on a pogo stick to the cruxifixtion!

That is a hoot!

The Book of Revelations was written by the whackup that denied christ three times, he was a psychotic looser. A pitiful psychotic looser.

The second coming of christ happened at pentecost, and is the allegory of the church.

The world ends every freaking minute, there is no 'end-time'. That end-time ended when the atom bomb was dropped, and that end time will end when the sun enters the house of Aquarius.

666= SUM = Rome

Jesus was a magician, like all the others and he lived in India and studied buddhism before the space ship brought him back!

The world ends every moment of time. No bias here I can see. ;)

[T'ai Chi]

Hi Iacchus,

Could you explain further what you mean by:

"Did you know that the trajectory angle of the number 479 (in accord with the circles in the triangle) is the same as the trajectory angle of the pyramid? (60 degrees)."

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by T'ai Chi
Hi Iacchus,

Could you explain further what you mean by:

"Did you know that the trajectory angle of the number 479 (in accord with the circles in the triangle) is the same as the trajectory angle of the pyramid? (60 degrees)." If you took ten pennies and arranged them into an equilateral triangle (or bowling pin configuration), the base level or "tier" would have 4 pennies, the second level would have 3 pennies, the third level would have 2 pennies, and the fourth level would have 1 penny. Whereas when you add each tier respectively, you come up with 4 pennies, 7 pennies, 9 pennies and 10 pennies.

And since the pennies are arranged into an equilateral triangle, their trajectory angles would be the same.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Iacchus
I would suggest you get your facts straight about the End of Times here, because in no way was it ever implied to mean the end of "all times." If you would like to understand what is meant by this "progression of churches" (regarding the end of the Christian Church, specifically), I do allude to this in Chapter 1 (http://www.dionysus.org/x0101.html) of my book.

http://www.dionysus.org/x0101.html

I don't know, is there really a progress of churches or is there a change in the political structures they are associated with. When the early christian sects became associated with the byzantine empire and the roman empire that created a political change in the church. As diid the rise of the papacy and the devolution into the protestant sects. But i would argue that it is the political structure that changes, the churches do not progress.

Or take buddhism, 2,500 years old, but almost gone in India, still strong in other places.

I find that progress is another of those concepts that doesn't always exist. Is there really progress? Did the catholic really replace the pagan faith of the old world or did it extinguish them through the political might of armies. Is that a triumph of the church or of arms?

[Igopogo]

Originally posted by Dancing David


Is there really progress? Did the catholic really replace the pagan faith of the old world or did it extinguish them through the political might of armies. Is that a triumph of the church or of arms?

A very interesting point. One thing I learned on a recent trip to England is that some cathedrals are built on top of Roman religious sites, which in turn were built on top of earlier stonehenge-like pagan sites. Changing of the guard.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Did you know that the trajectory angle of the number 479 (in accord with the circles in the triangle) is the same as the trajectory angle of the pyramid? (60 degrees).


You are making no sense, nor are your replies making any sense. Draw us a picture.


Are you sure? Based upon what's happened thus far I haven't drawn any conclusions, as it's a little too early to tell. However, my discovery of the trajectory angles of the number 479 and the pyramid seemed significant to me.


Not only is the number a moving target, since you seem to have an endless stock of "special numbers", but the goal also seems to be a moving target.


And yes, 567 would be a good number (or perhaps 543), as it signifies the "Heavenly Marriage." Of course at this point I don't intend to carry it much further than this, not unless something else significant comes up in this thread, Okay?
significant to me.


Again, you are ignoring any negative evidence, and going out of your way to find positive evidence. It'd be like someone studying gravity, and doing it by dropping a ball. Then, they ignore that it falls, and only record the rebound, and determine that gravity is a repulsive force. If you are going to look at connections, you have to look at *everything*, not just hits. If your brain didn't manage to find the number of hits you have found in a 10 year period, I would worry about you.


Yes, I'm aware that the flood story had already circulated around the middle east, but what does that say? Except that there are certain things inherent with many cultures.


It doesn't say that it was inherent, it says that it was passed around, and eventually told to the hebrews, who liked it, and incorporated it.


Yes, Yahweh's quote about Emanuel Swedenborg is fairly accurate.


And you are going to take someone's word on face value who also claimed that the moon is populated? If he say that in his visions, why would you give any accuracy to anything you only know through his visions?


However, it misconstrues his account of the End of Times by saying it was the end of "all times." If you studied any of his work you would know better than this.


Many people predict the end of times, but when it doesn't happen, the prediction shifts, the goal posts move, and somehow, people still follow whoever it is.

Now I'll ask again, what does this 1757 end of an era thing come from in respect to that passage of revelations? Or was it all part of the visions of a man who say people on the moon talking out of their stomachs?


Yeah, that's what I've always thought, but it's interesting how it seems to be verifiable through the "bowling pin" factor ... ;)

I don't see how that is verifying anything. What if I claim we should be base 6, and then show you how 6 circles fit in a triangle perfectly? Its really easy to do, just remove the bottom 4 pennies from yours. Its a series, 10 is just another number in the series. 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, 21, 28, 36, 45, etc... Knowing the geometric properties of such a triangle, its easy to see why the series comes about, and really has nothing to do with circles, but instead, more triangles.

[Iacchus]

Excerpt from Emanuel Swedenborg's (http://www.swedenborg.com), The True Christian Religion ...

The New Church is the Crown of all the Churches that have Hitherto Existed on Earth ...

786. It has been shown above that there have been, in general, from the beginning, four churches on this earth, one before the flood, the second after it, the third the Israelitish church, and the fourth that which is called the Christian Church; and as all churches depend on a knowledge and acknowledgment of one God, with whom the man of the church can be conjoined, and as none of these four churches has possessed that truth, it follows that a church must follow these four which will know and acknowledge one God.

The sole end of God's Divine love, when He created the world, was to conjoin man to Himself and Himself to man that He might thus dwell with man. This truth the former churches did not possess, the Most Ancient church, which preceded the flood, worshipping an invisible God with whom no conjunction is possible; the Ancient church which followed the flood, did likewise; the israelitish church worshipped Jehovah, who Himself is an invisible God (Exodus 33:18-23), but under a human form, which Jehovah God put on by means of an angel, in which he was seen by Moses, Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Gideon, Joshua, and sometimes by the prophets.

This human form was a representative of the Lord which was to come, and because this was representative so each thing and all things of their church were made representative. It is a well known fact that the sacrifices and everything else pertaining to their worship represented the Lord who was to come, and that when He came they were abrogated.

The fourth, which is called the Christian church, did indeed with the lips acknowledge one God, but in three Persons, each one of whom was singly or by Himself God; thus it acknowledged a divided Trinity, but not a Trinity united in one Person; and from this an idea of three Gods adhered to their minds, although the expression of "one God" was on their lips.

Moreover, the teachers of the church from that doctrine of theirs which they concocted after the Nicene Council, teach that men ought to believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all of them invisible, because existent in a similar Divine essence before the world was (although, as said above, with an invisible God no conjunction is possible), for they still do not know that the God wo is invisible came into the world and assumed a Human, not only that He might redeem men, but also that He might become visible, that thereby conjunction with man might become possible.

It is also frequently declared in the Prophets that Jehovah Himself would come into the world, and would be a Redeemer, which He also became in the Human which he assumed.

787. This New Church is the crown of all the churches that have hitherto existed on the earth, because it is to worship one visible God in whom is the invisible like the soul in the body. Thus, and not otherwise, is a conjunction of God with man possible because man is natural, and therefore thinks naturally, and conjunction must exist in his thought, and thus in his love's affection, and this is the case when he thinks of God as a Man.

Conjunction with an invisible God is like a conjunction of the eye's vision with the expanse of the universe, the limits of which are invisible; it is also like vision in mid-ocean, which reaches out into the air and upon the sea, and is lost. Conjunction with a visible God, on the other hand, is like beholding a man in the air or on the sea spreading forth his hands and inviting to his arms. For all conjunction of God with man must be also a reciprocal conjunction of man with God; and no such reciprocation is possible except with a visible God ...

[Zero]

Numerology is only proof to people who are too dumb to know better...yes, that would be you, Iacchus.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Zero

Numerology is only proof to people who are too dumb to know better...yes, that would be you, Iacchus. Well thanks, I guess I'd rather be accused of being a simpleton than an outright liar. ;)

Even so, numbers are the very basis for everything we understand aren't they? So why can't we be the least bit creative in their use, especially when we have more than just an "analytical side" to our brains? Why can't numbers be used to express the "quality of things" as opposed to the quantity?

Of course this might require that we loosen up a bit on our "fixated" world view.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Well thanks, I guess I'd rather be accused of being a simpleton than an outright liar. ;)

Even so, numbers are the very basis for everything we understand aren't they? So why can't we be the least bit creative in their use, especially when we have more than just an "analytical side" to our brains? Why can't numbers be used to express the "quality of things" as opposed to the quantity?

Of course this might require that we loosen up a bit on our "fixated" world view.

You are looking for hidden meaning in numbers. If numbers have a hidden meaning, then that would imply they were put there by an entity who knew truths. Do you think that hidden messages are encoded in our system of counting (1,2,3,4,5,6...)?


BTW, I'll clarify here, both numerology and the lottery are for those who don't have a good grasp on statistics.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Well thanks, I guess I'd rather be accused of being a simpleton than an outright liar. ;)

Even so, numbers are the very basis for everything we understand aren't they? So why can't we be the least bit creative in their use, especially when we have more than just an "analytical side" to our brains? Why can't numbers be used to express the "quality of things" as opposed to the quantity?

Of course this might require that we loosen up a bit on our "fixated" world view. This is like looking a a horoscope. You read into it what you want to, but there is no inherent meaning.

[Iacchus]

That was my 497th post by the way, and here when you multiply 49 x 7 you get 343 or, 7 x 7 x 7.

All of which happens to bring up the base-fourteen system I've developed in my book which, refers to nothing but the "quality of things" (specifically the man/woman relationship). While here the numbers 32 and 4 correspond to the "4th integer" (or note), and the numbers 23 and 9 correspond to the "9th integer" (or note). Which, when added -- 320 + 023 and 40 + 09 -- you get 343 and 49 respectively, both of which correspond to the "7th integer" and, are multiples of 7. While here the number 7 signifies that which is "Holy and complete" (with respect to marriage).

http://www.dionysus.org/x0401.html

The following illustrates how the "elements of marriage" come together in the "7th aspect" which, is the marriage itself.

1) The man's father.
2) The man's mother.
3) The woman's father.
4) The woman's mother.

5) The man himself.
6) The woman herself.
7) The marriage itself.

Don't you see how numbers can be used to explain the "quality" of things? Of course that would also imply that you understood the nature of "their relationship" as well.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
That was my 497th post by the way, and here when you multiply 49 x 7 you get 343 or, 7 x 7 x 7.


Such an event is not statistically improbable.


All of which happens to bring up the base-fourteen system I've developed in my book which, refers to nothing but the "quality of things" (specifically the man/woman relationship). While here the numbers 32 and 4 correspond to the "4th integer" (or note), and the numbers 23 and 9 correspond to the "9th integer" (or note). Which, when added -- 320 + 023 and 40 + 09 -- you get 343 and 49 respectively, both of which correspond to the "7th integer" and, are multiples of 7.


In base 14, only numbers ending in 0 or 7 are divisible by 7. In base 14, neither 343, or 49 are divisible by 7. Also, note how you arbituarily chose the numbers, and arbituarily threw 0's in.


While here the number 7 signifies that which is "Holy and complete" (with respect to marriage).

http://www.dionysus.org/x0401.html

The following illustrates how the "elements of marriage" come together in the "7th aspect" which, is the marriage itself.

1) The man's father.
2) The man's mother.
3) The woman's father.
4) The woman's mother.

5) The man himself.
6) The woman herself.
7) The marriage itself.

Don't you see how numbers can be used to explain the "quality" of things? Of course that would also imply that you understood the nature of "their relationship" as well.

You haven't shown any relationship, you've only numbered family mememers, and smudged a bit by adding "marriage itself" that has no place there. You also left out things like "love" "children" "bond (which might you might choose the number 2), aunts, uncles, a home, etc, etc, etc.

I can number things too.

[Zero]

Hey, my philosophy is based on booze!! Lookit my holy trinity(3 is a number of power)

1) The Beer

2) The Liquor

3) The Holy Hangover

Note that 1+2+3 AND 1X2X3 BOTH EQUAL 6(AS IN SIX PACK). 'The Beer' has 7 letters, like the number of ounces in a pony bottle, beer(4 letters) times liquor96 letters) equals 24, the number of beers in a case. ''Holy Hangover' has 12 letters(12 pack, 12 ounces in a beer).

If you multiply 4x6x12, you get 288. If you add them together, you get 18, which is the number of beers I can drink before I get sick and puke in your shoe...isn't this amazing?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

In base 14, only numbers ending in 0 or 7 are divisible by 7. In base 14, neither 343, or 49 are divisible by 7. Also, note how you arbituarily chose the numbers, and arbituarily threw 0's in.14 x 24 + "7" = 343 ... Also, 14 X 3 + "7" = 49 ...

As for inserting the zero's, these were only used to show the "seperation" between the numbers.


You haven't shown any relationship, you've only numbered family mememers, and smudged a bit by adding "marriage itself" that has no place there. You also left out things like "love" "children" "bond (which might you might choose the number 2), aunts, uncles, a home, etc, etc, etc.

I can number things too. And yet without a father and a mother the husband wouldn't exist ... nor without a father and a mother would the wife exist. So you have to have at least these six elements in order to have a marriage.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Zero
Hey, my philosophy is based on booze!! Lookit my holy trinity(3 is a number of power)

1) The Beer

2) The Liquor

3) The Holy Hangover

Note that 1+2+3 AND 1X2X3 BOTH EQUAL 6(AS IN SIX PACK). 'The Beer' has 7 letters, like the number of ounces in a pony bottle, beer(4 letters) times liquor96 letters) equals 24, the number of beers in a case. ''Holy Hangover' has 12 letters(12 pack, 12 ounces in a beer).

If you multiply 4x6x12, you get 288. If you add them together, you get 18, which is the number of beers I can drink before I get sick and puke in your shoe...isn't this amazing? All except for one thing. What about the Holy Consumption? :D

[Zero]

Originally posted by Iacchus
All except for one thing. What about the Holy Consumption? :D Why don't you do the math?

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Does this have anything to do with the lamination of Christ?

~~ Paul

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
I really don't see what your point is, not unless you're saying it's all arbitrary? And, aside from the fact that my numbering system(s) may be numerologically based? I'm really not up on numerology. Never cracked open a book on it. So even if there is something to what you're saying here, it's totally unclear to me. Which is why I suggest try sticking to simple geometry and math, such as I have.
Here is a simple Geometric Trochoid, it was created using The GIMP.

http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/51619/Trochoid.GIF

Immediately, you should notice 3 eights going down the center of the figure.

8 = 2^3. A 2-3 pair always multiply to be 6. The 3 eights's (which are H's) form 666.


You can try muliplying the 8's.
8 * 8 * 8 = 512.

When you add every other number (which are the normal sized numbers) in the Trochoid, you get:
(25 + 1 + 8 + 23 + 5 + 8) + (8 + 23 + 5 + 25 + 1) + 8 = 88

88 = 8 & 8
8 = 2 * 2 * 2, that is 3 two's, a 3-2 pair multiplies to be 6.

88 = 44 * 2
44 = 11 * 4

11 = 1 & 1, 1 + 1 = 2

4 = 2 + 2

Therefore 44 = (1 + 1) & (2 + 2)
Which makes 44 = (2) & (2) & (2)
That is 3 twos, 3 * 2 = 6.

Because we have 44 twice, that is yet another 6.

Take a look at the bottom of the trochoid. You notice that angle formed between the two leafs (respective to X axis) is 36 degrees.

The first number of that is a 3. 3 = 1 + 2, take all those numbers and multiply them together and you get 1 * 2 * 3 = 6. 6 is the second number. HOW ABOUT THAT!

6 / 2 = 3. Therefore 2 * 3 = 6. Again, another 2-3 pair.

6 = 3 + 3.
6 = (1 + 2) + (1 + 2)
6 = (1 + 2 = 3) + (1 + 2 = 3)
6 = (1 * 2 * 3 = 6) & (1 * 2 * 3 = 6)
6 = 6 & 6
THERE IT IS AGAIN! Another 666!


Notice the supplementary angle to 36 is 144.

144 = 12 * 12
12 = 1 & 2, 1 + 2 = 3, 1 * 2 * 3 = 6.
12 = 6 / 2 = 3, 2 * 3 = 6, * 2 = 12

There you have it, another 666.


Take the first 6 digits of sec 144 = -1.23606

The first 3 digits of that are 1, 2, and 3. 1 * 2 * 3 = 6

That last 3 digits of that are 6, 0, and 6.

That is a 6 and 2 more 6s, or 666. Scary isnt it?


Take the leaf in the bottom left. Its a number 23, the number diagonal from it are 8 and 23.

The first number is 23, the digits 2 * 3 = 6.

The second number is an 8, 2 * 2 * 2 = 8, that are 3 twos, 3 * 2 = 6.

The last number is also a 23, the digits 2 * 3 = 6.

There you have it, yet another 666.


Take the top left leaf of the trochoid, its diagonal series is 25 + 8 + 25 = 58.

58 = 5 & 8.
5 = 2 + 3, the digits 2 and 3 multiply to be 6

Take the 8, its 2 * 2 * 2 = 8, which is 3 two's, the 2 and the 3 multiply to be 6.

The middle number is an 8, which is 2 * 2 * 2, the 3 twos form a 3-2 system which multiply to equal 6.

There you have it yet one more time, 666.


Take the top left leaf of the trochoid, its diagonal series is 5 + 8 + 5 = 18. This is a particularly interesting series.

The first number is 5, 5 = 2 + 3, the digits 2 and 3 multiply to be 6.

The second number is 8, 8 = 2 * 2 * 2, the 3 two's form a 3-2 system, 3 * 2 = 6

The last number is also a 5, 5 = 2 + 3, the digits 2 and 3 multiply to be 6.

That is 666, you can see it with you own eyes.

Now, take the 18.
18 / 6 = 3.
3 = 1 + 2, the digits muliplied together = 6.

The 6 = (1 + 2 = 3) + (1 + 2 = 3)
Therefore 6 = (Digits 1 * 2 * 3 = 6) & (digits 1 * 2 * 3 = 6).

A 6 and 2 more 6s = 666.


Notice the angle 124.
Its is formed with 12 & 4.
12 = 6 + 6.
The 6 = (1 + 2 = 3) + (1 + 2 = 3)
Therefore 6 = (Digits 1 * 2 * 3 = 6) & (digits 1 * 2 * 3 = 6).

The second 6 repeats the process.

Take the digits and divide them by each other and you get 12 / 4 = 3.
3 = 1 + 2, take those digits and multiply them and you get 1 * 2 * 3 = 6.

Three more 6s = 666.


Thank you Iacchus, using Geometric figures is makes the process much easier to understand.

I've just shown 9 more proofs that I am the antichrist demonstrating the uncanny correlation between my name, geometry, and Trigonometry.

[Charlie in Dayton]

All the different ways you guys add up numbers, all the different answers you get, all the different meanings the answers have...

...someone remind me never to have any of these people work on my taxes...

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
14 x 24 + "7" = 343 ... Also, 14 X 3 + "7" = 49 ...


Why multiply by 14 instead of 7, or 21, why choose 24 or 3? Why add 7 and not, say 14, or nothing? I fail to see any statistical significance.


As for inserting the zero's, these were only used to show the "seperation" between the numbers.


Umm...right, if it was just to show something, it would work without them, but it doesn't.


And yet without a father and a mother the husband wouldn't exist ... nor without a father and a mother would the wife exist. So you have to have at least these six elements in order to have a marriage.

But then why add marriage in as an element to what is necessary for a marriage...it doesn't make any sense. Also, what about the father and mothers parents? You neglected them. So you certainly need a lot more than 6 elements.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

Why multiply by 14 instead of 7, or 21, why choose 24 or 3? Why add 7 and not, say 14, or nothing? I fail to see any statistical significance.Because this was the format that was presented to me. Am afraid you'll have to look it up ...

http://www.dionysus.org/x0401.html


Umm...right, if it was just to show something, it would work without them, but it doesn't.It works perfectly fine with the two examples I've given. The numbers 343 and 49 are still base-ten, and all I'm doing is interpreting their "harmonic level" using base-fourteen. This is why it's okay to illustrate their separation -- and hence addition -- using zero's, because the numbers are still base-ten. And neither have I changed them.


But then why add marriage in as an element to what is necessary for a marriage...it doesn't make any sense. Also, what about the father and mothers parents? You neglected them. So you certainly need a lot more than 6 elements. We all have a masculine and a feminine side which, is represented by "the marriage" (or union) of our parents. Whereas the Bible says something to the effect that "the two shall become one flesh" (the book of Genesis I believe).

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Charlie in Dayton

All the different ways you guys add up numbers, all the different answers you get, all the different meanings the answers have...

...someone remind me never to have any of these people work on my taxes... Hey, I would consider this an honest reply. Now all you have to do is figure out who's trying to confuse who? ;)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Thank you Iacchus, using Geometric figures is makes the process much easier to understand.

I've just shown 9 more proofs that I am the antichrist demonstrating the uncanny correlation between my name, geometry, and Trigonometry. There's always one in the crowd isn't there? You know I've just been accused of having way too much time on my hands for completing this "monumental" work of mine. So what's your excuse? Don't you have anything better to do?

[Iacchus]

Below is an excerpt from chapter 6 of my book, Symbols (http://www.dionysus.org/x0602.html) ...

Also, please note that the numbers on the cross were derived using the base-fourteen system. Please refer to chapter 4 (http://www.dionysus.org/x0401.html) for more clarity here ...


Nyssa, Oregon

http://www.dionysus.org/art0609.gif

55) This symbol was developed on my 34th birthday (January 10th, 1990) and illustrates the relationship between Oregon and Idaho, the 33rd and 43rd states. Which as you'll see, is exemplified by Nyssa, Oregon. Hence as Swedenborg refers to the order of the tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:1-8, and and how they relate to the New Church, I believe something similar is signified by the admission of each state into The Union—i.e., the sixth church. This is what gave me the idea (The Apocalypse Revealed) and, while I give examples elsewhere, this one symbol corroborates it.

56) I've developed it in accord with the cross, and its unique relation to the numbers three and four, what Swedenborg says correspond to The Church: three signifying everything as to truth and four signifying everything as to good, which when multiplied becomes twelve or, everything as to the church (twelve being the church itself). And, as Nyssa lies directly on the border, and remains within Oregon, the 33rd state—and hence the number 5 or crux of the matter—it's appropriately divided between east and west (why I've inserted a three at the ends of each segment). All of which is signified by the number "3 <> 3/3 <> 4": i.e., 34 becomes 43 when read from right to left. Also, the first four aspects of the cross correspond to the four directions: "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth ... " Revelation 7:1

57) As for Washington, the 42nd state, it's fitting that the number 42 signifies the end of an age—or church—as Swedenborg explains. For we're speaking of the development of something new here, and this is what the number 43 signifies. (See Sybil.)

58) Now the thing about Nyssa is that it's pronounced like Nysa which, is where Dionysus was from! He was brought up on Mt. Nysa. While it's equally impressive that Zeus was brought up on Mt. Ida! So perhaps it's no coincidence that Nyssa is the thunder egg capitol of the world (i.e., volcanic rocks or nodules with wonderful crystals inside), with Zeus the god of thunder, whose only begotten son, Dionysus, hatched from his thigh! There's also the town of Adrian twelve miles south of Nyssa, with its similarity to Ariadne, the wife of Dionysus: "... and when the railroad line reached Adrian from Nyssa, it was celebrated at the twelve-mile post." It was also named after Adrian, Illinois, the 21st state, as corresponds to the marriage.

59) Although its residents aren't exactly sure how it got its name, a popular account suggests, New York Sheep Shipping Association, due to the railroad's shipping of sheep back east, and hence, New York Stock Sales Association. And with sheep being a primary commodity of the church, it seems a fitting description. Also, since New York is the 11th state, it suggests the Two Witnesses mentioned earlier, thus portraying an inherent symmetry (i.e., 3 x 11 = 33).

60) I did get the opportunity to visit Nyssa, along with Boise, Idaho, after driving several hundred miles through the Eastern Oregon desert, to find a small farming community there: "an oasis in the desert." Located in Malheur County, one of the state's top agricultural regions (due to the damming of the Owyhee River), it too tells the story. For the fifth aspect of the cross corresponds to the understanding, or faith, and so to the color green—or, agriculture. It was an inviting town, and when driving through the outlying areas I noticed something very unique. Upon approaching each field a sign would read, "The Nyssa Chamber [of Commerce] Presents," e.g., "sweet corn." It had almost a formal quality, suggesting the town was there for a specific reason (as I suspected it was). And being the only place I had ever seen this, it exemplifies what I'm saying here. Then again, Dionysus was the god of vegitation.

61) Finally, with respect to my 34th birthday, I drew the parallel to Kansas, the 34th state: with the number 34 signifying the cross grounded at its base—or, being grounded in one's wisdom. And it brought to mind the movie, The Wizard of Oz, which was released prior to World War II and I believe was directed towards the American subconscious, and the whirlwind of hysteria brought on by the war. Which in effect was saying, "Okay America, it's time to wake up and stand up for what you believe." (I heard something to this effect.) And, as it occurred in Kansas, it was appealing to the heartland of America.

62) I was also thinking of Dorothy and her similarity to Vanessa—i.e., a woman in fantasy. While the only Dorothy I knew was a friend of the family, who I was considering sending my manuscript to. But, I thought my rationale too flimsy. Soon afterwards though, within a couple of weeks, she wrote to me. A rarity itself! And, as I was intent on writing to her, it was equally rare. And she mentioned the funniest thing, how she grew up in Idaho and enjoyed living there, and how she mailed the letter with a stamp of Idaho! (I speak of her later in chapter 9.) Which prompted me to send the manuscript. Hence when she wrote back, a week or so later, the timing couldn't have been more auspicious. It was on the 50th anniversary showing of The Wizard of Oz! (something I found out that day, on February 20th).

63) The timing also concurs with my experience in chapter 12, regarding Medford, Oregon, and being grounded in my wisdom (what this woman signified to me). And I later had a dream, where I was standing on the yellow brick road and peering at a huge fir tree in the distance, walking towards me! And with each step the ground shook, making an awful crashing noise! (I surmised it had something to do with Roy Masters.)

http://www.dionysus.org/art0610.gif

64) Also, for the sake of including the fourteen Gerarai, I've extended the number scheme above; while the table to the right shows how any seven of the same number corresponds to itself—i.e., 1111111 = 1.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
There's always one in the crowd isn't there? You know I've just been accused of having way too much time on my hands for completing this "monumental" work of mine. So what's your excuse? Don't you have anything better to do?
The mystery behind Numerology is obscure, and no one is going to try to uncover it on their own time. Hey, I might as be the one to do it...

The truth isnt always marshmellows and pudding unfortunately :(...

[Iacchus]

Excerpt from chapter 5, The Advent of Dionysus (http://www.dionysus.org/x0501.html) ... So does this sound anything like marshmellows and pudding to you?


The Titans

16) And yet another element which adds to this, occurred only a month after these experiences. And though it was stark and very unpleasant, it coincides with what happened shortly after Dionysus' birth. When the Titans, or gods of the old order—similar to the establishment—were set on murdering him (at Hera's instigation). And in his attempts to evade them, he went through several transformations. When they finally caught up with him, in the form of a bull, they tore him to pieces and boiled his flesh, and proceeded to eat him. But where his blood had fallen to the ground a pomegranate tree sprouted, a symbol of fertility, and he was later restored by his grandmother Rhea.

17) After the rebirth experience, I was amazed that it happened, and it occurred to me how similar it was to Revelation 12: where the woman gives birth to the child and flees into the wilderness (vs 5-6). And I sensed it applied to me, specifically, and instinctively drew the correlation to the New Church. This was before I was familiar with Swedenborg's Apocalypse Revealed, though I'd already procured a copy, and before I was familiar with Dionysus. While in the same chapter it speaks of the war that ensues with Michael, and the Devil who gets cast out of heaven (vs 7-9) and persecutes the woman (vs 12-13). And I drew up a symbol signifying this—two triangles hung on a cross, at first a hexagram, before being separated—and illustrated it in my mind; and tried to prepare myself for what seemed imminent. I don't know how accurate it was, but it proved to be effective.

18) I developed it towards the end of March and soon began having activity in my dreams. It all came to a head on April 1st, when I had a dream about a fallen spirit: and though he approached me as a friend, I sensed something very profane. He was full of lust, and it reminded me of burning flesh—from the inside. And I sensed something bad was going to happen, and became very distressed: "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." (Revelation 12:13). And I drove my truck up to the Russian River that day, close to where I had the rebirth experience, and tried to reconcile myself. But this spirit had so much influence over me, more of a close proximity, that I couldn't help but see through his eyes. And when I looked at the woods across the river, something which was of nature, that I used to hold in high esteem, it was like it was all on fire—and reminded me of excrement! Nor could I bear to look at it, for it felt like I was on fire, from the inside.

The Smith River

19) I was still living with my mother, and it was only getting worse. And I began to think I was the Devil, and I was utterly condemned. It was a dreadful thing, and I decided it was no longer safe to stay at my mother's and drove to the Siskiyou Mountains near the Oregon border: "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place..." (Revelation 12:14). The was on April 4th, and I found my way to a small valley along the Smith River, where I had been before; and I pulled off the highway and decided to stay there awhile.

20) All the way up I was distraught, feeling a sense of impending doom. Hearing what sounded like thunder, it was self-induced, and watching bugs smack into the windshield, I couldn't tell what was real. By the time I got there, in mid-afternoon, and while driving up the road, I felt the walls crashing down! And I got out to look around, and there were voices, and thunderings, amplified by the river crashing over the rocks, and bees flying around—straight at me—and I couldn't tell if they were real. The valley itself appeared like a large amphitheater or arena, and I began to envision cannibals (later wolves) along the mountain tops: it seemed like that kind of affair. Which brings up the Titans, who tore Dionysus to pieces and ate him! How uncanny!

21) Like Dionysus I combatted these forces, to prolong what seemed imminent, by going through several transformations. (I portrayed myself as different characterizations, most of them deadly.) And like the Titans, these spirits threatened to suspend me in midair, and tear me to pieces!—literally! That is if I didn't first try and drown myself in the Smith River: "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood." (Revelation 12:15). I finally succumbed early that evening, when I was overwhelmed by falsities (i.e., what a flood signifies), and my atrocities began to outweigh theirs. All I had left was a blind rage, like a bull!—which, was Dionysus' last transformation. (I speak of the bull's significance in chapter 12, regarding the Minotaur.)

22) I also conceived the idea of my flesh being consumed, while only my heart would remain, and carried off to Wolf Creek, Oregon (hence the wolves), which is 22 miles north of Grants Pass, where I would be restored. (I was really scared, and it was more of a wish.) It's unusual because in the myth of Zagreus, almost a direct parallel of Dionysus, the Titans tore Zagreus to pieces and ate his flesh raw (not boiled), before the goddess Athena stepped in and rescued his heart, and later restored him (instead of Rhea). While it also correlates with King Lycurgus and the wolves, in chapter 13.

23) And though these things didn't happen in the flesh, it amounted to the same thing, for I was effectively murdered—in the spirit (giving more credence to Greek myth, or mythology in general). Indeed it was the worst day of my life! And I stayed there that night, while the phantoms flitted in and around me. Come morning I managed to pick up the pieces and drove the 50 or so miles to Grants Pass, where I went to the Mental Health People and told them I was ready to be committed—to the mental hospital. Fortunately it didn't work out that way! Thus it's interesting how this became my twelfth residence, where I stayed the next five months and began to recover; with the number 12 representing the New Church: "...where she [the woman] is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." (Revelation 12:14).

24) I later returned to the same valley, in December 1988, and camped out for the next month. And having a different perspective, and better understanding of what I was dealing with, I challenged these spirits (more the trauma it represented) and waged war with them: and kicked their butts!

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
There's always one in the crowd isn't there? You know I've just been accused of having way too much time on my hands for completing this "monumental" work of mine. So what's your excuse? Don't you have anything better to do?
This is what happens when I have too much time on my hands...

http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/51619/931541-Image02.jpg

[Zero]

Sounds like someone plays too much D&D...

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

This is what happens when I have too much time on my hands...Hey, go away! You're screwing up the page formatting!

[Yahweh]

Zero, I suggest you cancel your JREF account, one more post and you'll be... well, at 666...

I didnt think twice when I had done it, only now I wish I had...

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Hey, go away! You're screwing up the page formatting!
I recommend you set your monitor settings to 1028 x 768 with 32 bit color. Most websites are designed for that resolution, it'll take about 10 minutes to get used to, but then you'll never go back to the old and obsolete 800 x 600.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Zero, I suggest you cancel your JREF account, one more post and you'll be... well, at 666...

I didnt think twice when I had done it, only now I wish I had... LOL, numerology is for geeks. You'll have the same results of you read tea leaves or your local paper's horoscope. It doesn't mean anything.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Zero, I suggest you cancel your JREF account, one more post and you'll be... well, at 666...

I didnt think twice when I had done it, only now I wish I had... Of course you know I always thought he wouldn't amount to much, with a name like Zero and all, you know? ;)

Yep, and there you have it folks! ... 666!

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by Iacchus
If you took ten pennies and arranged them into an equilateral triangle (or bowling pin configuration), the base level or "tier" would have 4 pennies, the second level would have 3 pennies, the third level would have 2 pennies, and the fourth level would have 1 penny. Whereas when you add each tier respectively, you come up with 4 pennies, 7 pennies, 9 pennies and 10 pennies.


Hi Iacchus,

You might find this page interesting: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TriangularNumber.html.

[Dorian Gray]

Aside from that, you really have nothing to say, right? That is the one trait we share concerning this subject. I, however, do not require dozens of meaningless posts across three or four threads to demonstrate it, because I am more efficient. That is why you are not yet a complete idiot. Not yet.

Well thanks, I guess I'd rather be accused of being a simpleton than an outright liar. Excellent choice. You have grown a bit towards idiocy. Be diligent and disciplined - the journey is arduous.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

You are looking for hidden meaning in numbers. If numbers have a hidden meaning, then that would imply they were put there by an entity who knew truths. Do you think that hidden messages are encoded in our system of counting (1,2,3,4,5,6...)?What "other" entity are you referring to here than us? ;)


BTW, I'll clarify here, both numerology and the lottery are for those who don't have a good grasp on statistics. Consider it like wood which fuels the fire. It's just another means of verification and holding your interest.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
That is the one trait we share concerning this subject. I, however, do not require dozens of meaningless posts across three or four threads to demonstrate it, because I am more efficient. That is why you are not yet a complete idiot. Not yet.

Excellent choice. You have grown a bit towards idiocy. Be diligent and disciplined - the journey is arduous. Well who's the complete idiot then, you? How can you know such things if you're not speaking from experience? :p

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

Am I supposed to in any way impressed that you drew a 6 pointed star, made a circle around it, and threw your favorite numbers in there? As I said before, the numbers are derived from the "bowling pin" configuration, not to mention the badge being strung up to the top of a pyramid.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Because this was the format that was presented to me. Am afraid you'll have to look it up ...

http://www.dionysus.org/x0401.html


The chapter explains no elements of my question. Try again. Would you like me to clarify any part of the question?


It works perfectly fine with the two examples I've given. The numbers 343 and 49 are still base-ten,


I'm not talking about base 10, I'm talking about tacking on a zero at random. 32->320 4->40.


and all I'm doing is interpreting their "harmonic level" using base-fourteen.


First, define harmonic level, otherwise it's a meaningless term, second, I don't think you know what base-14 is. In base 14, 49 / 7 is...82 and 2/7th. base-14 would go like this...

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, a, b, c, d, 10, 11, 12, etc. So, 7 + 7 would be 10.


This is why it's okay to illustrate their separation -- and hence addition -- using zero's, because the numbers are still base-ten. And neither have I changed them.


You have changed them because otherwise, it wouldn't work. You invent all kinds of rules, and then play with the numbers until they work. Yahweh includes *very* good examples of this. Do his conclusions have any more or less meaning than your own?


We all have a masculine and a feminine side which, is represented by "the marriage" (or union) of our parents. Whereas the Bible says something to the effect that "the two shall become one flesh" (the book of Genesis I believe).

Personally I saying that men and women have a masculine and feminine side is a gross over simplification, but thats besides the point. Second, genetics tell us that women, genetically, from the union of are parents have no "male" half in their genes. Third, I'm not sure why you quoted the bible, or what meaning you are trying to bring. Forth, you haven't bothered to answer my question as to why you included the parents and not the grandparents, and why you included 6 people, but then also marriage itself (other than to make it 7).

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
There's always one in the crowd isn't there? You know I've just been accused of having way too much time on my hands for completing this "monumental" work of mine. So what's your excuse? Don't you have anything better to do?

He's trying to show to you (and possibly casual readers) that while you can find patterns in numbers, they are useless. Too bad you don't appreciate it, he's doing a real bang up job.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus

Also, please note that the numbers on the cross were derived using the base-fourteen system.


I'm still not to sure you know what base-14 is. But i'll test you, in base-14, what is 17+9?


what Swedenborg says correspond to The Church: three signifying everything as to truth and four signifying everything as to good, which when multiplied becomes twelve or, everything as to the church (twelve being the church itself).


You keep quoting this Swedenborg guy. He says that 3 signifies everything as to truth. What experiment can I carry out that would show this? If I said, no, he's wrong, 5 signifies everything as truth, how could you determine who is right, and who is wrong?


57) As for Washington, the 42nd state, it's fitting that the number 42 signifies the end of an age—or church—as Swedenborg explains. For we're speaking of the development of something new here, and this is what the number 43 signifies. (See Sybil.)


Again, how can I personally verify that 42 signifies the end of an age? Why should you believe it does? Other people have assigned the end of an age to a different number, how can you determine who is right?


So perhaps it's no coincidence that Nyssa is the thunder egg capitol of the world (i.e., volcanic rocks or nodules with wonderful crystals inside),


Sounds like a coincidence to me, and anyway, it sounds like a way to grab tourists. In northern AZ, there are access roads that are essentially paved with these rocks. Also, I think africa is where all the good finds are. Interesting you simply take it on face value and don't question it since it fits your philosophy. I've never heard anyone refer to the rocks as "thunder eggs" though, I always hear them called geodes.


For the fifth aspect of the cross corresponds to the understanding, or faith, and so to the color green—or, agriculture.


A green town...I'm supposed to be surprised? I'm not sure what towns aren't green. Did you know that the vast majority of roses in the states come from Bakersfield and Phoenix? Making the desert green is not something special.


"The Nyssa Chamber [of Commerce] Presents," e.g., "sweet corn." It had almost a formal quality, suggesting the town was there for a specific reason (as I suspected it was). And being the only place I had ever seen this, it exemplifies what I'm saying here.


Um...right, I fail to see the connection. "sweet corn". You need to get out more, I see this kind of stuff driving around AZ all the time.


Then again, Dionysus was the god of vegitation.


I think you are really reaching here, isn't he much more well known as the god of wine?



Anyway, I have no clue why you see any special significance between any of these connections, they sound like regular, day to day coincidences to me. If I find coincidences in my life that are not compatible with your coincidences, how do we determine who is right?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
. Which brings up the Titans, who tore Dionysus to pieces and ate him! How uncanny!


Really...you read something where someone got torn up by animals, and then you feared the same thing...That doesn't sound uncanny to me, it's like reading something where someone falls in love, and then you later at some date fall in love. I fail to see you excitement. Really, really, over the many years you've had, I would hope that you find better coincidences than these.


24) I later returned to the same valley, in December 1988, and camped out for the next month. And having a different perspective, and better understanding of what I was dealing with, I challenged these spirits (more the trauma it represented) and waged war with them: and kicked their butts!

Right, you want to prove that these spirits exist? Can we drive down to the valley and have a talk with them?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Yahweh

This is what happens when I have too much time on my hands...


http://russ.dhs.org:8000/yahweh.jpg

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
What "other" entity are you referring to here than us? ;)


OK, by what process do numbers contain any special meaning?


Consider it like wood which fuels the fire. It's just another means of verification and holding your interest.

ok, lets try this.

Question a) Do you think that the winning lotto numbers will ever be "1 2 3 4 5"

Question b) Do you think you could ever win the lotto?

Question c) If the answers to the above were the same, which event do you think is more likely and why?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
As I said before, the numbers are derived from the "bowling pin" configuration, not to mention the badge being strung up to the top of a pyramid.

No, you just threw the numbers 4, 7, 9, and 11 in there without any reason or method.

[shemp]

All your number belong to us.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by RussDill


OK, by what process do numbers contain any special meaning?



ok, lets try this.

Question a) Do you think that the winning lotto numbers will ever be "1 2 3 4 5"

Question b) Do you think you could ever win the lotto?

Question c) If the answers to the above were the same, which event do you think is more likely and why?

Once when I was a student and in a weird mood (not to mention a little drunk) I played the powerball, asked for numbers 1,2,3,4,5 and 6.

The cashier looked at me like I was insane, as if such a silly combination would ever come up...

After reflection, however, I was acting foolishly, as there is a greater likelyhood that some (or several) other crank(s) in the huge population where that lottery is played would have the same stupid idea I had than there would be that someone else would pick the same patternless 5 numbers had I just picked 5 at random.

So, in the remote chance I did win the sucker, I had a greater likelyhood of having it split 100 ways.

Anyway, what is the point to all these numbers; will they help me figure out who to take next weekend in the Eagles - Panthers game? Or is it all pointless analysis of the past that offers no guidence whatsoever?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Suddenly

Anyway, what is the point to all these numbers; will they help me figure out who to take next weekend in the Eagles - Panthers game? Or is it all pointless analysis of the past that offers no guidence whatsoever?

Send yahweh 15 bucks, he'll do an in-depth numerological analysis involving the names of the teams, the players, the geometric designs on their helmets, the date, etc.

[sackett]

Don't listen to them, Iacchus! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

Try this: On a world map, draw a line connecting 1) your present location, 2) Ayer's Rock, and 3) somewhere in Patagonia. The resulting figure? A triangle! Every time! You see the fiendish simplicity of it?

There's more (please listen carefully, Iacchus, I think they're coming for me): With a protractor, measure the angles of that triangle. Measure carefully, then add up the numbers. [i} It will be the same number every time![/i]

Gotta go. Time for my meds.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by RussDill


Send yahweh 15 bucks, he'll do an in-depth numerological analysis involving the names of the teams, the players, the geometric designs on their helmets, the date, etc.

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[Suddenly]

Originally posted by sackett
Don't listen to them, Iacchus! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

Try this: On a world map, draw a line connecting 1) your present location, 2) Ayer's Rock, and 3) somewhere in Patagonia. The resulting figure? A triangle! Every time! You see the fiendish simplicity of it?

There's more (please listen carefully, Iacchus, I think they're coming for me): With a protractor, measure the angles of that triangle. Measure carefully, then add up the numbers. [i} It will be the same number every time![/i]

Gotta go. Time for my meds.

While my friend, Billy Bob Euclid, seems to not have a problem with this, as he always gets an answer of 180 degrees, I'm having some problems as I seem to often get answers much less than that.

What am I doing wrong?

Signed,

Cleetus Lobatschewsky

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by sackett
Don't listen to them, Iacchus! Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

Try this: On a world map, draw a line connecting 1) your present location, 2) Ayer's Rock, and 3) somewhere in Patagonia. The resulting figure? A triangle! Every time! You see the fiendish simplicity of it?

There's more (please listen carefully, Iacchus, I think they're coming for me): With a protractor, measure the angles of that triangle. Measure carefully, then add up the numbers. [i} It will be the same number every time![/i]

Gotta go. Time for my meds. No, I'm just the biggest whore of the century -- of course it's still a little bit early yet, since it just turned 2004 ;) -- because I can't but help "bastardize" everything that I touch.

Or, at least that's the word that's coming down from some people around here. Which is really all I can say, for it can only be one or the other.

[sackett]

What we're trying to do here is paradigm a hierarchy of matrices, crescendoing always into further and further realms of certainty: either/or, neither/nor, futurity, or what you will.

And that's about the point we've reached up to until now, although.

[Dorian Gray]

Well who's the complete idiot then, you? How can you know such things if you're not speaking from experience? I know because I read it in a numerology book. Bad form. Not original, and that is a step back from your journey of idiocy. Being unoriginal is merely sheepish.

Try something original. For example, instead of creating a picture with a program, you could craft a numerology picture using the multiple meds you must take each day - I would like to see them in a chaos spiral, personally.

I had a tachyon dream, which is more powerful than a regular dream because it has the word 'tachyon' in front of it. In this dream, you walked, and then ran, all down the path to idiocy. But my perspective changed, and sort of panned out, revealing you to be running on a treadmill. I am sorry, but as I said, my dreams are rarely wrong, and my tachyon dreams are never wrong. It means that you are merely maintaining your current idiocy - you are not progressing to new heights of idiocy. Ah, regrets.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
I know because I read it in a numerology book. Bad form. Not original, and that is a step back from your journey of idiocy. Being unoriginal is merely sheepish.

Try something original. For example, instead of creating a picture with a program, you could craft a numerology picture using the multiple meds you must take each day - I would like to see them in a chaos spiral, personally.

I had a tachyon dream, which is more powerful than a regular dream because it has the word 'tachyon' in front of it. In this dream, you walked, and then ran, all down the path to idiocy. But my perspective changed, and sort of panned out, revealing you to be running on a treadmill. I am sorry, but as I said, my dreams are rarely wrong, and my tachyon dreams are never wrong. It means that you are merely maintaining your current idiocy - you are not progressing to new heights of idiocy. Ah, regrets. Yes, the truth "is" a two-edged sword.

Please note that I've started a new thread, Euripides - The Bacchae (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33760).

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by RussDill


He's trying to show to you (and possibly casual readers) that while you can find patterns in numbers, they are useless. Too bad you don't appreciate it, he's doing a real bang up job.
You think I'd have ulterior motives? Pah!...

I think I should point out message is 183 characters long.

Lets take a gander at Revelation 18:3
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Ewww... just what exactly are you insinuating?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Yahweh

You think I'd have ulterior motives? Pah!...

I think I should point out message is 183 characters long.

Lets take a gander at Revelation 18:3

Ewww... just what exactly are you insinuating?

Revelations? This is a thread about numerology. Quite clearly then, I'm refering to a warning in Numbers 18:3:

And they shall keep thy charge, and the charge of all the tabernacle: only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar, that neither they, nor ye also, die.

I was simply trying to warn Iacchus that he is touching what is holy, and he is risking being smitten by God himself. Your losing your touch Yahweh, because if you thought about it for one second, you'd see the numeroligical connection between Uzzah and Iacchus.

Uzzah's name apears in the bible 4 times. The actual event takes place in 2nd Samuel 6:7.

And the final factor, the name Uzzah:
47+26+26+1+8=108, 1+0+8 = 9

Thats right, we have 479.

The connection is complete, the bible already predicts that that God himself will strike Iacchus down for touching what is holy. I don't know if this fate can be changed, I was hoping by inserting this subliminal message, he could realize his error. But, you, Yahweh, have interefered, I can't help but to think that in some way it was purposeful.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.That's in reference to the Roman Catholic Church by the way. ;)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

The connection is complete, the bible already predicts that that God himself will strike Iacchus down for touching what is holy. I don't know if this fate can be changed, I was hoping by inserting this subliminal message, he could realize his error. But, you, Yahweh, have interefered, I can't help but to think that in some way it was purposeful. And what do you think the penalty would be for "assuming" a name like Yahweh then? Besides, what difference does it make if He doesn't exist, right?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And what do you think the penalty would be for "assuming" a name like Yahweh then? Besides, what difference does it make if He doesn't exist, right?

Didn't he tell you, he is the AC. What name did you expect him to take, "Son of the morning star?"

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

He's trying to show to you (and possibly casual readers) that while you can find patterns in numbers, they are useless. Too bad you don't appreciate it, he's doing a real bang up job. What a dumb-ass thing to say. You might as well throw away all your books on math and logic too while you're at it! ;)

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
What a dumb-ass thing to say. You might as well throw away all your books on math and logic too while you're at it! ;)

Science and math have nothing to do with finding patterns in numbers *alone*. Please name *any* numerology techniques that are used in science and math. Where is the number 8 equated with balance of a system? Where is the number 777 seem as significant?

Numbers are the tool in the search for knowledge, not the source, as you are making it. Again, I'll ask, you claim that there is information hidden in counting and numbers, who put that information there and why?

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

Didn't he tell you, he is the AC. What name did you expect him to take, "Son of the morning star?" Is it a he or a she? because "he" writes like a "she." In which case maybe you're speaking of Venus herself?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Is it a he or a she? because "he" writes like a "she" ...

I think your ignorant sexism is showing again. Please explain to us, what does it mean to write as a "she".

[Sidenote: I'm starting to think his unhealthy relationship with his mother has warped his view of females in general, very common thing, therapy can help]

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

Science and math have nothing to do with finding patterns in numbers *alone*. Please name *any* numerology techniques that are used in science and math. Where is the number 8 equated with balance of a system? Where is the number 777 seem as significant?

Numbers are the tool in the search for knowledge, not the source, as you are making it. Again, I'll ask, you claim that there is information hidden in counting and numbers, who put that information there and why? And yet the whole advancement of civilization began with the "interpretation" of numbers didn't it? And this is how we derived our language right?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And yet the whole advancement of civilization began with the "interpretation" of numbers didn't it? And this is how we derived our language right?

Civilization began with agriculture...And language was not derived from numbers, numbers are a part of language.

You have yet to explain why any number should have any special meaning. You need to explain how anyone first comes across that meaning, and how any third party can verify that meaning. Also of note, would be who, or what, put that meaning there in the first place.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

I think your ignorant sexism is showing again. Please explain to us, what does it mean to write as a "she".

[Sidenote: I'm starting to think his unhealthy relationship with his mother has warped his view of females in general, very common thing, therapy can help] Careful, meticulous, balanced, almost "too" friendly. Which I find a bit annoying, because it makes it damn hard to argue against.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

Civilization began with agriculture...And language was not derived from numbers, numbers are a part of language.

You have yet to explain why any number should have any special meaning. You need to explain how anyone first comes across that meaning, and how any third party can verify that meaning. Also of note, would be who, or what, put that meaning there in the first place. Yes, a very good question. Why does "meaning" exist in the first place?

[Dorian Gray]

Iacchus, Great work today. Top notch. You have reached a new level of idiocy! Congratulations.

Yes, the truth "is" a two-edged sword. You've managed to cut yourself with both edges.

Please note that I've started a new thread, Euripides - The Bacchae. Please note that I don't care.


And yet the whole advancement of civilization began with the "interpretation" of numbers didn't it? No, it didn't. And this is how we derived our language right? No, it isn't. I commend you on these two quotes, as they are the "two edged sword" that has gotten you to this level of idiocy. You still have a long way to go.

First, Grasshopper (I can call you Grasshopper, right?), you must answer this question: If numerology is a valid, accurate and credible science, then why is it that no two numerologists with differing worldviews EVER have the same interpretation, meaning or translation? To compare numerology to a REAL science, in base 10, 2+2=4, and this is always true whether you are Jew or Muslim, Right or Left, Conservative or Liberal, Communist or Fascist, Carnivore or Vegetarian, and so on, and on, like this here and stuff.

As I have said before, I truly enjoy when the ignorant argue over the impossible. You should get another numerologist to come to this thread and dispense his views, which will no doubt differ from yours.

By the way, there is a code hidden in my post. See if you can crack it. It might help if you didn't stare at your own avatar for more than a few seconds.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Careful, meticulous, balanced, almost "too" friendly. Which I find a bit annoying, because it makes damn hard to argue against.

Umm...right....anyway, got any stereotypes and biases we should know about that are based on race?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Yes, a very good question. Why does "meaning" exist in the first place?

Yes, very good, you are excellent about answering questions by making meaningless statements.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Iacchus, Great work today. Top notch. You have reached a new level of idiocy! Congratulations.

You've managed to cut yourself with both edges.

Please note that I don't care.Well let's just say we leave it at that, Okay?


First, Grasshopper (I can call you Grasshopper, right?), you must answer this question: If numerology is a valid, accurate and credible science, then why is it that no two numerologists with differing worldviews EVER have the same interpretation, meaning or translation? To compare numerology to a REAL science, in base 10, 2+2=4, and this is always true whether you are Jew or Muslim, Right or Left, Conservative or Liberal, Communist or Fascist, Carnivore or Vegetarian, and so on, and on, like this here and stuff.That's like asking why can't you ever get two people to agree on the same thing. That doesn't make either one's "experience" less valuable does it? Indeed, it suggests that there's nothing about "this life" which is not "subject" to interpretation.


As I have said before, I truly enjoy when the ignorant argue over the impossible. You should get another numerologist to come to this thread and dispense his views, which will no doubt differ from yours.Actually I probably wouldn't waste my time.


By the way, there is a code hidden in my post. See if you can crack it. It might help if you didn't stare at your own avatar for more than a few seconds. If it was "meant" to be cracked, it will be. Why? and why?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus

That's like asking why can't you ever get two people to agree on the same thing. That doesn't make either one's "experience" less valuable does it? Indeed, it suggests that there's nothing about "this life" which is not "subject" to interpretation.


One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Lets say there are two doors, one leads to a green field, the other has hungry lions. Different people have visions, do numerological analysis and tell you which door to take. However, they disagree. Who is right? I guess it doesn't matter, since any one of their opinions is more or less valuable. So just take a door.

Now say, someone comes along, and listens to the sounds behind each door, and then the smell the aromas coming from the door. And they can tell you with great certainty, which door has the lions.

Now who's experience is more valuable?


Anyway, two people with different conflicting answers to the same problem cannot both be right. That is the beauty in science, you don't have to guess, you don't have to rely on anyone.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

One of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Lets say there are two doors, one leads to a green field, the other has hungry lions. Different people have visions, do numerological analysis and tell you which door to take. However, they disagree. Who is right? I guess it doesn't matter, since any one of their opinions is more or less valuable. So just take a door.That only suggests that we'll probably never agree.


Now say, someone comes along, and listens to the sounds behind each door, and then the smell the aromas coming from the door. And they can tell you with great certainty, which door has the lions.

Now who's experience is more valuable?

Anyway, two people with different conflicting answers to the same problem cannot be wrong. That is the beauty in science, you don't have to guess, you don't have to rely on anyone. But quite often you're left with only your intuition. And how does science account for that?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
That only suggests that we'll probably never agree.


But you could agree, simply carry out experiments to help determine which door is which, ie, bang on the door and listen for a response.


But quite often you're left with only your intuition. And how does science account for that?

Scientists and theoriests very often use the intuition in forming ideas. However, they don't write these ideas down in a book and call it a day. The design experiments to test their new ideas, they write papers and allow their ideas to be peer reviewed.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by RussDill

But you could agree, simply carry out experiments to help determine which door is which, ie, bang on the door and listen for a response.If, in fact that's what I was up against. And still, it would be up to me to "interpret" the evidence. Or, what if my sense of hearing was impaired? Or, my sense of smell? (which it is). And who's the dumkauf that would be putting me in such a position in the first place?


Scientists and theoriests very often use the intuition in forming ideas. However, they don't write these ideas down in a book and call it a day. The design experiments to test their new ideas, they write papers and allow their ideas to be peer reviewed. Oh, then why can't intuition be used in the expression of numbers?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
If, in fact that's what I was up against. And still, it would be up to me to "interpret" the evidence. Or, what if my sense of hearing was impaired? Or, my sense of smell? (which it is). And who's the dumkauf that would be putting me in such a position in the first place?


Then just as science always does, we'd build some advanced tools to collect more evidence. In this case, an infrared camera should do quite well. Again, another beauty of science, we are not limited by our senses.


Oh, then why can't intuition be used in the expression of numbers?

Because you are using intuition alone. No scientiest or theorist declares a proof on intution alone. As you have already eluded to, if you go off intuition, you'll get conflicting answers. Intuition brings you no truths, the best it can do is help point you in the right direction, same thing with dreams.

[Dancing David]

I read a great book that says numerals and counting come after language, but there is this thing called 'object permanancy' that babies and other animals seem to have.

I think that civilization came about from glue and string myself.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And what do you think the penalty would be for "assuming" a name like Yahweh then? Besides, what difference does it make if He doesn't exist, right?
"Assuming"?

I think its helpful to note the word "Yahweh" is my name. People call me Yahweh in real life, I answer to it as if they call me "Steve". Nothing beyond "remarkable" I would say...


From Exodus:
3:13
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Is it a he or a she? because "he" writes like a "she." In which case maybe you're speaking of Venus herself?
I admire the natural beauty of women.

And I have an unusual fascination with adorable kittens...
http://216.218.248.155/datastore/94/69/b/9469ed8b7158d23c5d9ff8f906ce5ae7.jpg

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
That's in reference to the Roman Catholic Church by the way. ;)
Its metaphorical, and a derrogatory statement regarding status of women. Its one of hundreds of verses I do not appreciate for that reason.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by RussDill
I think your ignorant sexism is showing again. Please explain to us, what does it mean to write as a "she".
Apparently there are patterns which are not entirely gender specific, but are common characteristics in the writing of males and females.

And no, its not the first time I've been noted on my "she-style" of writing...

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
And yet the whole advancement of civilization began with the "interpretation" of numbers didn't it? And this is how we derived our language right?
I do not believe so.

The first known languages were written languages (else they would not be known). Since most cultures in the world have had no written language, and most people have been illiterate even where written language existed, written language is a poor metric to use to measure language in general. Language had been developing for an unknown period of time before written language evolved. The earliest known writing is simpler than written languages today. There are very simple, non-linguistic precursors (no grammar) to cuneiform writing.

We do not know the definitive explanation for how language ability arose, but there are plausible hypotheses. Intermediate stages may be reached by gradual changes.

* The larger brain size of primates arose before language; it may have come from adaptation for functioning in social groups or for finding food.

* Humans brain size has evolved to be unusually large through neoteny; the rapid brain growth of childhood is maintained for a longer time. It may have arisen in conjunction with the evolution of language or before it.

* Before language, some communication already was done via gestures (which itself probably arose as mimetic imitation) and via vocalizations. Spoken language ability may have built on those vocalizations, or it may have been transferred from gestural language, or both.

* Once vocal proto-language began, the vocal tract and neural connections for producing and controlling speech would have begun evolving. Speech probably began in Homo erectus more than a million years ago.

* Once language becomes a central part of human behavior, the Baldwin effect can make language acquisition come more readily; those who acquire the language ability more quickly are favored by natural selection.


The method in which the human brain interprets language is quite intriguing. The processes, produces, and interprets language in the Perietal, Frontal, and Temporal lobes. The brain does not interpret language as a set of parsed commands, instead its interpreted in the form of concepts (that is why people deaf people can communicate and why people can learn other languages). However, while the brain works with speech as concepts, numbers (which are also conceptual) are not handled in the same manner (or even same parts of the brain). See Numerical Cognitive Neuroscience for something more annotated than my abbreviated answer, but the simple fact is that it is quite impossible for humans to have derived language from numbers.

In a "chicken-egg" debate between advancements of civilation and numbers, the advancement of civilation is a product of evolution (or a form of Social Darwinism), numbers arrived quite some time afterwards (this is evident in the independent arrisal of numbering systems throughout "societies" across the globe).

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
Yes, a very good question. Why does "meaning" exist in the first place?
What is the color of prayer?
Why am I me, and not another?
Why did my daughter get the cancer/heart attack/into car accident?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Feel free to ask "why is the sky blue", but keep in mind that the fact something can be phrased in the form of a question does not insist it should be asked.

There are just some questions, regardless of heartfelt the framing, that are just inappropriate to ask.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Iacchus
That only suggests that we'll probably never agree.
Regarding the compiling of numerological analysis, I think its reasonable to assume numerological analysis is simply not a useful tool.

Anyway, two people with different conflicting answers to the same problem cannot be wrong. That is the beauty in science, you don't have to guess, you don't have to rely on anyone.

But quite often you're left with only your intuition. And how does science account for that?
Red herring.

A red herring is a logical fallacy where a person introduces irrelevant material to the discussion to try to throw everybody's attention away from the points being made (usually towards a different conclusion).

[Dorian Gray]

That's like asking why can't you ever get two people to agree on the same thing. That doesn't make either one's "experience" less valuable does it? Indeed, it suggests that there's nothing about "this life" which is not "subject" to interpretation. No kidding. But anyway, mathematicians, physicists, astronomers, etc., from widely differing backgrounds can all agree on 95% of their respective branches of science. In contrast, I have never encountered two numerologists who agreed on anything. Numerologists see the world however they want to, and shrink from most confrontation. You can use numerology like you can use crayons. You can draw whatever picture you want, reach any goal you wish. It's entirely subjective. That's why it's not a science - and incidentally, why it's a load of crap.

Dorian Gray wisely said:
As I have said before, I truly enjoy when the ignorant argue over the impossible. You should get another numerologist to come to this thread and dispense his views, which will no doubt differ from yours.
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Actually I probably wouldn't waste my time. Then stop wasting ours!

If, in fact that's what I was up against. And still, it would be up to me to "interpret" the evidence. Or, what if my sense of hearing was impaired? Or, my sense of smell? Excellent tactic, Grasshopper! Focus on the extreme, the rare, the uncommon, because that is what drives the majority! You have reached a new high!

Oh, then why can't intuition be used in the expression of numbers? It can. People use intuition to pick their lottery numbers every single day. Guess how many of them win? Guess! Come on, monkey boy, GUESS!

I had a polytachyon dream, which is more significant than a tachyon dream because it has the prefix 'poly'. In this dream, the number '0' kept popping up, in prices, on street signs, etc., until finally, I realized that this was a representation of both your avatar and your understanding.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Dorian Gray

No kidding. But anyway, mathematicians, physicists, astronomers, etc., from widely differing backgrounds can all agree on 95% of their respective branches of science. In contrast, I have never encountered two numerologists who agreed on anything. Numerologists see the world however they want to, and shrink from most confrontation. You can use numerology like you can use crayons. You can draw whatever picture you want, reach any goal you wish. It's entirely subjective. That's why it's not a science - and incidentally, why it's a load of crap.Yes, there's nothing about human experience which isn't "entirely" subjective.


Then stop wasting ours!This is your "subjective" opinion of course.


Excellent tactic, Grasshopper! Focus on the extreme, the rare, the uncommon, because that is what drives the majority! You have reached a new high!And what better to compare it with than with a "new low." ;)


It can. People use intuition to pick their lottery numbers every single day. Guess how many of them win? Guess! Come on, monkey boy, GUESS!And yet I've known some people who are very intuitive and very accurate at the same time. The problem is that most people -- with all the focus on "analytical thinking" -- don't know how to develop their intuition.


I had a polytachyon dream, which is more significant than a tachyon dream because it has the prefix 'poly'. In this dream, the number '0' kept popping up, in prices, on street signs, etc., until finally, I realized that this was a representation of both your avatar and your understanding. Oh, don't waste your time with all that dream crap by the way, it's too subjective. :p

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Its metaphorical, and a derrogatory statement regarding status of women. Its one of hundreds of verses I do not appreciate for that reason. And yet The Church is commonly viewed as the "heavenly bride," and The Lord the "heavenly bridegroom," in which case I think this is a fair assessment as to ways of the Roman Catholic Church -- which, in my opinion, has had very little to do with religion since its onset.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

I do not believe so.

The first known languages were written languages (else they would not be known). Since most cultures in the world have had no written language, and most people have been illiterate even where written language existed, written language is a poor metric to use to measure language in general. Language had been developing for an unknown period of time before written language evolved. The earliest known writing is simpler than written languages today. There are very simple, non-linguistic precursors (no grammar) to cuneiform writing.My point being that most "alphabets" are derived from numbers.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

What is the color of prayer?
Why am I me, and not another?
Why did my daughter get the cancer/heart attack/into car accident?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Feel free to ask "why is the sky blue", but keep in mind that the fact something can be phrased in the form of a question does not insist it should be asked.

There are just some questions, regardless of heartfelt the framing, that are just inappropriate to ask. Yes, but why does "meaning" exist in the first place? Thus far you haven't given me a "meaningful" answer. ;)

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Regarding the compiling of numerological analysis, I think its reasonable to assume numerological analysis is simply not a useful tool.Like I said before, letters are derived from numbers ... So what are you saying, we shouldn't bother to speak to each other? And while I have to agree, it quite often does seem like a "useless" endeavor.


Red herring.

A red herring is a logical fallacy where a person introduces irrelevant material to the discussion to try to throw everybody's attention away from the points being made (usually towards a different conclusion). Am merely stating that we can't rely on science for all the answers.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus
My point being that most "alphabets" are derived from numbers.

Please, do explain.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Iacchus

Am merely stating that we can't rely on science for all the answers.

In what way is the scientific process flawed?

[Dorian Gray]

Letters were not derived from numbers, you ignorant douchebag.