Child torturers sentenced

[commandlinegamer]

Indefinite detention, minimum 5 years in a secure unit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8473978.stm

Horrendous crimes; where does this level of barbarity come from?

Daily Mail weighs in on the 5-year bit, and brings up violent movies, including the now inevitable James Bulger link to the Chucky films (I thought that had been debunked a long time ago; it's reported that these perpetrators had watched sadistic movies.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245255/Brothers-tortured-schoolboys-appalling-sadistic-attack-jailed-years.html

[Bikewer]

It's very difficult if not impossible to show some sort of causation in these cases. That these individuals may have watched "sadistic" movies may be as a result of having sadistic tendencies to begin with, or may be entirely irrelevant.
Millions of people watch "sadistic" movies and TV shows without going out and torturing others....

[Agatha]

It's very difficult if not impossible to show some sort of causation in these cases. That these individuals may have watched "sadistic" movies may be as a result of having sadistic tendencies to begin with, or may be entirely irrelevant.
Millions of people watch "sadistic" movies and TV shows without going out and torturing others.... True, but are those people adults?

In this case they were children with chaotic home lives, no boundaries or rules, experiencing violence to themselves and others around them, they were drinking and smoking from a very young age, given drugs (cannabis at least) by both parents, their mother was suicidal prior to the attack for which they were sentenced and was reported to say that they were nothing to do with her, they were allowed to watch violent films and hardcore pornography unsupervised, they were in and out of foster care.

All that may have had no impact on their behaviour, of course. But I suspect that a child growing up in that sort of atmosphere with those sort of experiences is unlikely to emerge completely unscathed.

[Debaser]

In this case they were children with chaotic home lives, no boundaries or rules, experiencing violence to themselves and others around them, they were drinking and smoking from a very young age, given drugs (cannabis at least) by both parents, their mother was suicidal prior to the attack for which they were sentenced and was reported to say that they were nothing to do with her...
All this...and yet what the likes of the Mail and the other usual suspects will no doubt try to focus on in isolation is;
...they were allowed to watch violent films and hardcore pornography unsupervised...



But I suspect that a child growing up in that sort of atmosphere with those sort of experiences is unlikely to emerge completely unscathed.
Too true.

[Fredrik]

I hope that no one is suggesting that the Chucky movies, or pornography, could have caused the complete lack of empathy that these evil little monsters needed to be able to do this...because I wouldn't be able to reply to that without breaking several forum rules.

[Beerina]

Wait. When did we get done bitching about kids kicking other kids in the head because they see it on TV all the time, and nobody gets hurt?

[Ryokan]

Chucky movies? As in the killer doll? I watched those when I was around 12-13. My parents didn't know of course, but me and a friend loved those movies, as well as the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. I turned out fine.

[Fredrik]

Chucky movies? As in the killer doll? I watched those when I was around 12-13. My parents didn't know of course, but me and a friend loved those movies, as well as the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. I turned out fine.
Dude, you're holding a big ******* gun in your picture!


:wink:

[St.Michael]

There are many experts on TV talking about this. One has gone so far as to claim some people are 'born evil'.

It's a big ask, but how much research is there into this concept of people being naturally bad?

[Cainkane1]

Indefinite detention, minimum 5 years in a secure unit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8473978.stm

Horrendous crimes; where does this level of barbarity come from?

Daily Mail weighs in on the 5-year bit, and brings up violent movies, including the now inevitable James Bulger link to the Chucky films (I thought that had been debunked a long time ago; it's reported that these perpetrators had watched sadistic movies.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245255/Brothers-tortured-schoolboys-appalling-sadistic-attack-jailed-years.html
These boys should be supervised for a long while after they are released. If you go to a site called Georgiainmatelocaters and look up Randy Dobbs you'll see a boy who did pretty much the same thing until age 15 when he shot a 20 year old pizza delivery girl to death. He had been a bully all of his short life and he did the murder at age 15.

[Bikewer]

We like to think of children as pure (still the old "blank slate" paradigm) and innocent and who will turn out just fine if only properly guided.
However, various sorts of pschopathic conditions may begin to manifest at a rather early age...
And the child's internal version of an ideal partner (the "lovemap" idea") can be "vandlized" at an early age due to abuse or neglect.