Malaysian Woo: "If US Could Create 'Avatar,' It Could Fake 9/11 Attacks"

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Excerpt:

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

The former premier also blamed Jews for hindering progress in US foreign policy.

Complete woo here (http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031).

:dl:

[funk de fino]

Just what the 911 TM need. Another anti semite to boast about.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I think we may have a contender for first stundie winner that is also a head of state.

[Walter Ego]

Excerpt:

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

The former premier also blamed Jews for hindering progress in US foreign policy.

Complete woo here (http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031).



More quotes from Mahathir Mohamad in the linked article:

Jews “had always been a problem in European countries. They had to be confined to ghettoes and periodically massacred. But still they remained, they thrived and they held whole governments to ransom," Mahathir said.

"Even after their massacre by the Nazis of Germany, they survived to continue to be a source of even greater problems for the world."

:mad:

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

I think we may have a contender for first stundie winner that is also a head of state.

I have notoriously rotten luck, insofar as successful Stundie nominations are concerned. (Should anyone else care to give it a shot with this one, however... ;))

[fromdownunder]

Well we all have James Cameron's personal testimony to the fact that he is the One True Leader, and it is quite public and proves that he is the leader of the NWO:

"I'm the King of the World"

Enough said. Guilty!

Norm

[Reactor drone]

I thought New Zealand did the VFX for Avatar.






Oh,my god.I just figured out who did 9/11 :eek:


;)

[RedIbis]

The genius behind Avatar was making people think it's a good movie. If you can do that, you can do anything.

[Scott Sommers]

Maybe Dick Gage can go speak to them.

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

The genius behind Avatar was making people think it's a good movie.

Between this and the equally inexplicable success of Titanic, I can only assume that Cameron somehow managed to finagle the same sort of open-ended "sweetheart" deal from Old Scratch that Michael Bay got, earlier. ;)

[WildCat]

Between this and the equally inexplicable success of Titanic, I can only assume that Cameron somehow managed to finagle the same sort of open-ended "sweetheart" deal from Old Scratch that Michael Bay got, earlier. ;)
At least there's no Celine Dion soundtrack to Avatar.

[Thunder]

i love how people feel like tv is their only reality.

perhaps they think the giant dust clouds and the collapsing towers were all CGI?

maybe the WTC never existed?

:confused:

[Justin39640]

I think we may have a contender for first stundie winner that is also a head of state.

Never EVER underestimate the power of stupid. :D

[angrysoba]

I think we may have a contender for first stundie winner that is also a head of state.

He was. Chavez IS a head of state and he just said that the US zapped Haiti using HAARP.

[Justin39640]

He was. Chavez IS a head of state and he just said that the US zapped Haiti using HAARP.

LMAO
ahhh the power of stupid

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

He was. Chavez IS a head of state and he just said that the US zapped Haiti using HAARP.

Yup. :D

Hugo Chavez Blames Haiti Destruction on US Earthquake Machine (Video) (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=165521)

LMAO
ahhh the power of stupid

Yup. :D

[WildCat]

Another raging anti-semite for The TruthTM!

[fezzic]

Slightly OT: Did anyone make a similar statement or claim when the Final Fantasy movie came out?

[fuelair]

What a maroon!!

[Thunder]

“I have great respect for the Arabs but for them to hijack four planes is not very Arab. Just imagine the amount of planning that would be involved.”

wow. pure anti-Arab racism.

[Algebra34]

Excerpt:

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

The former premier also blamed Jews for hindering progress in US foreign policy.

Complete woo here (http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031).?:dl:

You know what? That's pretty crazy.

Now would anyone here like to support the OCT on 9/11?

In other words.. so friggin what???

[TokenMac]

You know what? That's pretty crazy.

Now would anyone here like to support the OCT on 9/11?

In other words.. so friggin what???

OH NO guys, A34 doesn't like this thread. I guess we gotta stop posting then.

[bill smith]

He was. Chavez IS a head of state and he just said that the US zapped Haiti using HAARP.

Here's some more information on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0

If it's true they better watch out for the Petronas Towers. You read it here first.lol

[Algebra34]

OH NO guys, A34 doesn't like this thread. I guess we gotta stop posting then.

Oh I love it. It just goes to show.

[Thunder]

id still like to know why 9-11 Truthers are soo very racist against Arabs.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

If they can make Avatar, they can make anything [...]


But Avatar wasn't created by a "relative few" people. Over a thousand people worked on that movie.

Obviously, this man is disinfo. :rolleyes:

[bill smith]

Exerpt from Dr.Mahatir's statement.

'' “A lot of people in America (the apologists will dismiss them as conspiracy theorists) questioned whether the towers collapsed because the planes crashed into them or that something else caused them to come down. These people have reproduced videos taken by media people showing the attack and the collapse of the towers, pointing out certain peculiar features. I have seen the three-hour long video which is widely distributed.”

He argued that the collapse of the twin towers was typical of controlled demolitions which are common in the United States.

In his posting, he also provides a link to a video on the Internet which is based on a book written by a conspiracy theorist who claims that elements in the US government had staged the attacks.''

Anybody know which video ?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/22428

[Scott Sommers]

He argued that the collapse of the twin towers was typical of controlled demolitions which are common in the United States.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/22428

But Bill, she says that's not true
http://www.iamthewitness.com/img/ProfJudyWood.jpg
And she's got a PhD in engineering. Isn't she a member of AE911?

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

But Bill, she says that's not true
http://www.iamthewitness.com/img/ProfJudyWood.jpg
And she's got a PhD in engineering. Isn't she a member of AE911?

Whoa. Geddy Lee really hasn't aged well, has he...? :D

[bill smith]

But Bill, she says that's not true
http://www.iamthewitness.com/img/ProfJudyWood.jpg
And she's got a PhD in engineering. Isn't she a member of AE911?

Oh she has a lot more than a mere PhD Scott. She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World. Mackey could sit at her knee for instance.

And who knows ? I woudn't rule out a merging of theories at some point or one dropping their theories in favour of the other.I never rule anything out Scott. especially on 9/11.

PS. The lady in the picture is Dr. Judy Wood in case anybody wants to know.

[Scott Sommers]

And like her Truther friends at universities around the country, she was removed from her job without a whisper from the faculty association, her colleagues, or her students. So much for 911 being the most devisive issue in the country, or for that matter even controversial. I suspect her school and students view her as mentally ill.

Would that disqualify her?

[bill smith]

And like her Truther friends at universities around the country, she was removed from her job without a whisper from the faculty association, her colleagues, or her students. So much for 911 being the most devisive issue in the country, or for that matter even controversial. I suspect her school and students view her as mentally ill.

Would that disqualify her?
Yes Scott. That's how the establishment works. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

[bill smith]

Anyway I can't sit here toying with you guys at the moment. See you later.

[Scott Sommers]

Yes Scott. That's how the establishment works. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

You forget so soon. Don't you remember all the pictures of demonstrations I posted in Britain, the USA, and Taiwan. Hell, the faculty association at most schools will defend criminals. No Bill, it's not the establishment that works this way. It's just that no one cares about Judy Wood.

[Furcifer]

She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World.

.

You're reading from that script again aren't you? Ask your handlers if you could deviate from that and add some of your own thoughts on the matter. Tell them people are getting suspicious and you risk blowing your cover. Seriously, I'm on to you bill smith, if that is your real name ;)

[Scott Sommers]

You're reading from that script again aren't you? Ask your handlers if you could deviate from that and add some of your own thoughts on the matter. Tell them people are getting suspicious and you risk blowing your cover. Seriously, I'm on to you bill smith, if that is your real name ;)

I didn't want to bring this...Bill being so confused and everything. For those here who don't know, Dr. Judy Wood PhD holds a doctorate in material engineering and was a faculty member in the department of mechanical engineering at Clemson University. Apparently she is an expert in dental materials.

Apparently she believes Steven Jones murdered one of her students.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Wood-Jones-fight.html

This is Bill's hero.

[Furcifer]

I didn't want to bring this...Bill being so confused and everything. For those here who don't know, Dr. Judy Wood PhD holds a doctorate in material engineering and was a faculty member in the department of mechanical engineering at Clemson University. Apparently she is an expert in dental materials.

Apparently she believes Steven Jones murdered one of her students.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Wood-Jones-fight.html

This is Bill's hero.

I'd never seen this before. It's pretty wacky. And dental materials? Chompity-chomp!

[CORed]

I thought New Zealand did the VFX for Avatar.






Oh,my god.I just figured out who did 9/11 :eek:


;)

No. The gubmint faked the evidence that New Zealand is behind 9/11 as an excuse to invade New Zealand and steal its, um, sheep?

[Scott Sommers]

I'd never seen this before. It's pretty wacky. And dental materials? Chompity-chomp!

Apparently that's so. Although I did find this statement on the internet (http://www.oilempire.us/911scholars.html)
JUDY WOOD, Ph.D., may be the most qualified scientist studying 9/11 in the world. She holds a B.S. in civil engineering, an M.S. in engineering mechanics, and a Ph.D. in materials engineering science. A former professor of mechanical engineering at Clemson University.
Sound familiar Bill?

This may just be rumour on the Net. Afterall, you do know how facts get made up and then spread like H1N1 across the Net. I have been unable to find her complete resume which is a little unusual, even for those secretive Truther types.

[Thunder]

I enjoy seeing anti-Semites quotes as heros of 9-11 Truth. It just makes my day.

:)

[Scott Sommers]

I just found a deleted Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mujinga/archiving_a_deleted_talk_page_entry) that states this,
Judy has some experience in that field, but it's not her specialty. From her bio (on her tripod page): B.S. (Civil Engineering, 1981) (Structural Engineering), M.S (Engineering Mechanics, 1983), and, Ph.D. (Materials Engineering Science, 1992) Virginia Polytechnic. "Her dissertation involved the development of an experimental method to measure thermal stresses in bimaterial joints. She has taught courses including Experimental Stress Analysis, Engineering Mechanics, Mechanics of Materials (Strength of Materials), Strength of Materials Testing. From 1999 to 2006 Dr. Wood has been an assistant professor in the Mechanical Engineering Department at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. Before moving to Clemson she spent three years as a postdoctoral research associate in the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Tech. Dr. Wood is currently writing a book with Morgan Reynolds on the physical evidence explaining the events on 9/11. One of Dr. Wood’s research interests is biomimicry, or applying the mechanical structures of biological materials to engineering design using engineering materials. Other recent research has investigated the deformation behavior of materials and structures with complex geometries and complex material properties, such as fiber-reinforced composite materials and biological materials. Dr. Wood is an expert in the use of moiré interferometry, a full-field optical method that is used in stress analysis. Dr. Wood has over 60 technical publications in refereed journals, conference proceedings, and edited monographs and special technical reports. Dr. Wood started to question the events of 9/11 on that same day when what she saw and heard on television was contradictory and appeared to violate the laws of physics. Since that day she has used her knowledge of engineering mechanics to prove that the collapse of the World Trade Center twin towers could not have happened as the American public was told. " Kings 32 06:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It is the only source of this information. Not even her webpage has any information about her academic qualification.

[Scott Sommers]

I enjoy seeing anti-Semites quotes as heros of 9-11 Truth. It just makes my day.

:)
Fortunately, you don't have very far to look.

[Alt+F4]

Oh she has a lot more than a mere PhD Scott. She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World.

She's the mentally ill moron who doesn't understand that a category 1 hurricane hundreds of miles away would not have an effect on the weather in NYC.

She also doesn't know how a microwave oven works.

She's the best the 9/11 "truthers" have.

[Thunder]

Fortunately, you don't have very far to look.

hell, pretty much every truther at JREF is an anti-Semite.

[Scott Sommers]

hell, pretty much every truther at JREF is an anti-Semite.

We've talked about this one before
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5254515#post5254515
At the time, we concluded there was no necessary link. I really have trouble with this, though. I figure there really can't be more than a couple of hundred Truthers left in the whole country and that's by anybodies definition. I've said that there's no other direction for Truthing to go except to start recruiting from the Muslim world.

[Scott Sommers]

She's the mentally ill moron who doesn't understand that a category 1 hurricane hundreds of miles away would not have an effect on the weather in NYC.

She also doesn't know how a microwave oven works.

She's the best the 9/11 "truthers" have.

There are a couple of Truthers I think should really be left alone. Ace Baker has some serious problems. I agree that he shouldn't be handled roughly. I would include Dr. Judy is this category, as well. I know I started all this, but, yes, she does seem to have some noticable mental problems. She's been fired from her job and the only people she hangs around with seem to be Truthers. She's not that old really. This is a terrible way for someone from her background to end their days.

[Furcifer]

This is a terrible way for someone from her background to end their days.

At the same time you know like 100 cats are going to be better for it. :D

[Alt+F4]

There are a couple of Truthers I think should really be left alone. Ace Baker has some serious problems. I agree that he shouldn't be handled roughly. I would include Dr. Judy is this category, as well. I know I started all this, but, yes, she does seem to have some noticable mental problems. She's been fired from her job and the only people she hangs around with seem to be Truthers. She's not that old really. This is a terrible way for someone from her background to end their days.

Dusty Wood took the brutal, senseless murder of Michael Zebuhr and tried to turn it around to fit her sick agenda:

Following the murder of my student, Michael Zebuhr, a truly extraordinary human being, I received an email telling me, "we've done it before and we will do it again if need be."

She knows a teenager later admitted to the murder and was sentenced to 30 years in prison.

That bag of bile deserves ever bit of ridicule she gets.

[bill smith]

Well It's good to see that you are all not in the least bit concerned by Dr.Judy Wood. lol

That's pretty impressive for somebody who is seldom even mentioned in either Truther or debunker circles and can still arouse such .....can we say panic ?

[bill smith]

I enjoy seeing anti-Semites quotes as heros of 9-11 Truth. It just makes my day.

:)

Jews are no better than anyone else Parky.

[Alt+F4]

Well It's good to see that you are all not in the least bit concerned by Dr.Judy Wood. lol

That's pretty impressive for somebody who is seldom even mentioned in either Truther or debunker circles and can still arouse such .....can we say panic ?

Not panic, disgust.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by bill smith http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5545937#post5545937)
Well It's good to see that you are all not in the least bit concerned by Dr.Judy Wood. lol

That's pretty impressive for somebody who is seldom even mentioned in either Truther or debunker circles and can still arouse such .....can we say panic ?

this is a joke...right?

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by bill smith http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5545937#post5545937)
Well It's good to see that you are all not in the least bit concerned by Dr.Judy Wood. lol

That's pretty impressive for somebody who is seldom even mentioned in either Truther or debunker circles and can still arouse such .....can we say panic ?

this is a joke...right?
Are you finished your mental wrestling with the last post Parky ? lol

[Cl1mh4224rd]

this is a joke...right?


Most likely just more trolling, so... yes. I'm surprise there are still plenty who do not have bill smith on ignore. He can't possibly be that much fun to engage. :confused:

[bill smith]

Not panic, disgust.


Well....panicky disgust then.

[Pardalis]

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.


Except Avatar was mostly made in New Zealand.

[bill smith]

Dusty Wood took the brutal, senseless murder of Michael Zebuhr and tried to turn it around to fit her sick agenda:



She knows a teenager later admitted to the murder and was sentenced to 30 years in prison.

That bag of bile deserves ever bit of ridicule she gets.

I hope somebody is checking regularly that the teenager has not escaped.

[tsig]

Oh she has a lot more than a mere PhD Scott. She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World. Mackey could sit at her knee for instance.

And who knows ? I woudn't rule out a merging of theories at some point or one dropping their theories in favour of the other.I never rule anything out Scott. especially on 9/11.

.

Not quite true Bill.

You do rule out that 19 men hijacked the planes and flew them into the towers thereby causing damage and fire that destroyed the buildings.

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by bill smith http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5545553#post5545553)
Oh she has a lot more than a mere PhD Scott. She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World.

trolling noted.

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by bill smith http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5545553#post5545553)
Oh she has a lot more than a mere PhD Scott. She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World.

trolling noted.

Is trolling illegal ? By my defnition it is merely fishng. For instance if I drop a tasty bit of bait and you take it- who made the mistake ? The fisherman or the fish ?

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

At the same time you know like 100 cats are going to be better for it. :D

... and, just like that: 3bodyproblem wins the thread. :D

[Alt+F4]

I hope somebody is checking regularly that the teenager has not escaped.

You had better put the Minneapolis Police Department on your list of 9/11 conspirators.

Notice what Dusty Wood did when she said she received an email from the "real killers"? She posts it on her website! She doesn't go to the police, doesn't try to figure out who sent it, didn't supply this information to the defense team of the teenager who was charged with the murder.

In typical "truther" fashion, she did nothing.

[bill smith]

You had better put the Minneapolis Police Department on your list of 9/11 conspirators.

Notice what Dusty Wood did when she said she received an email from the "real killers"? She posts it on her website! She doesn't go to the police, doesn't try to figure out who sent it, didn't supply this information to the defense team of the teenager who was charged with the murder.

In typical "truther" fashion, she did nothing.
I have to laugh at you guys. We all know perfectly well that you will sit down to watch a TV show about a lone voice in the bckground fighting against hopeless odds to expose the evil establishment where the overnment owns the police and the media and every one else of consequence. And the joke is that all the way through you identify with the lonely idealist. lol

You really have to get it straight in your heads you know- which side you are really on ?.

[Thunder]

You know, I have a good friend and co-worker, named Bill Schmidt. I wonder...

Billy boy..is that you???

[bill smith]

You know, I have a good friend and co-worker, named Bill Schmidt. I wonder...

Billy boy..is that you???

Already the boy comes with the accusations. Oy vay. if he woiked as good as he talks....

[Alt+F4]

I have to laugh at you guys. We all know perfectly well that you will sit down to watch a TV show about a lone voice in the bckground fighting against hopeless odds to expose the evil establishment where the overnment owns the police and the media and every one else of consequence. And the loke is that all the way through you identify with the lonely idealist. lol

Is Dusty Wood getting her own bio-pic on Lifetime?

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Is Dusty Wood getting her own bio-pic on Lifetime?

Cartoon Network, more likely. :D

[9/11-investigator]

I think we may have a contender for first stundie winner that is also a head of state.

You missed the statements by Italian ex-president Cossiga years ago saying that the 9/11-attacks were carried out by the Mossad and CIA.

And there are of course lesser Gods like cabinet ministers (state secretary I believe it is called here) like the British Michael Meacher and German von Buelow who are also convinced 9/11 was an 'inside job'.

[9/11-investigator]

hell, pretty much every truther at JREF is an anti-Semite.

Could it be that in this case the truth is 'anti-semitic'?

Question for Parky: suppose an Israeli is sitting in an orchard taking a nap and all over sudden an apple falls on his head. Must we then consider gravity to be an anti-semitic force?

[Telltale Tom]

Exerpt from Dr.Mahatir's statement.

'' “A lot of people in America (the apologists will dismiss them as conspiracy theorists) questioned whether the towers collapsed because the planes crashed into them or that something else caused them to come down. These people have reproduced videos taken by media people showing the attack and the collapse of the towers, pointing out certain peculiar features. I have seen the three-hour long video which is widely distributed.”

He argued that the collapse of the twin towers was typical of controlled demolitions which are common in the United States.

In his posting, he also provides a link to a video on the Internet which is based on a book written by a conspiracy theorist who claims that elements in the US government had staged the attacks.''

Anybody know which video ?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/22428

Fantastic Bill, this is the breakthrough we need.

There must be thousands of licensed engineers in Malaysia and Mahatir can get them mobilized to look at the results and perhaps start to do a proper independant investigation. Richard Gage could help by giving a tour of Malaysia and Indonesia and that way we could get a lot more than 80 or so structural engineers from around the world who have signed the petition so far.

When they provide the proof in a way that the New York structural engineers understand, we are sure to get thousands more than the five who have signed up.

So lets start a fund raiser to send Richard Gage to meet with Dr Mahatir to start a new investigation.

[Thunder]

Question for Parky: suppose an Israeli is sitting in an orchard taking a nap and all over sudden an apple falls on his head. Must we then consider gravity to be an anti-semitic force?

I should expect such a stupid question, from a pseudo-skeptic.

[triforcharity]

Could it be that in this case the truth is 'anti-semitic'?

Question for Parky: suppose an Israeli is sitting in an orchard taking a nap and all over sudden an apple falls on his head. Must we then consider gravity to be an anti-semitic force?

Only if the gravity said something like "I will get you, you stinkin Jew!"

Then, maybe.

[Thunder]

You missed the statements by Italian ex-president Cossiga years ago saying that the 9/11-attacks were carried out by the Mossad and CIA.

well, like true skeptics, we disregarded his statement, since he provided ZERO evidence.

like true skeptics, we believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. we don't simple believe anything a politician says, like you guys clearly do.

[triforcharity]

Fantastic Bill, this is the breakthrough we need.

There must be thousands of licensed engineers in Malaysia and Mahatir can get them mobilized to look at the results and perhaps start to do a proper independant investigation. Richard Gage could help by giving a tour of Malaysia and Indonesia and that way we could get a lot more than 80 or so structural engineers from around the world who have signed the petition so far.

When they provide the proof in a way that the New York structural engineers understand, we are sure to get thousands more than the five who have signed up.

So lets start a fund raiser to send Richard Gage to meet with Dr Mahatir to start a new investigation.

You do realize that telephones and computers are much cheeper. Right??

[Scott Sommers]

You missed the statements by Italian ex-president Cossiga years ago saying that the 9/11-attacks were carried out by the Mossad and CIA.

And there are of course lesser Gods like cabinet ministers (state secretary I believe it is called here) like the British Michael Meacher and German von Buelow who are also convinced 9/11 was an 'inside job'.

Yes, yes, 911 Truth is the devisive issue of our time. It's tearing at the very social fabric of our society. Politically, it rips apart political parties, governments and nations. There are huge protests in the streets and thousands of professionals from areas as diverse as the construction industry, the police and fire departments, as well as law support the call for a 'new investigation'. That is, except for law. I wrote Lawyers for 911 Truth and they told me they had folded because of lack of interest. Oh well, you can't win everything. Good luck you guys. And try and to stay out of the mental ward.

[atecom]

You do realize that telephones and computers are much cheeper. Right??

Gage doesn't want them to realise that.

[mike3]

Excerpt:

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

The former premier also blamed Jews for hindering progress in US foreign policy.

Complete woo here (http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031).

:dl:

This is easy to refute: just because someone can do something, doesn't mean they did. Especially when all "evidence" presented for the claim turns out to be worthless upon further examination.

[Furcifer]

Could it be that in this case the truth is 'anti-semitic'?

Question for Parky: suppose an Israeli is sitting in an orchard taking a nap and all over sudden an apple falls on his head. Must we then consider gravity to be an anti-semitic force?

The Joo owns all the apple orchards and just took out a triple indemnity insurance policy for accidental injury due to falling apples. The NYFD is shaking the tree, and just for kicks all the stems have been coated in nano thermite.

Isn't that what you mean? :rolleyes:

[TheDaver]

Excerpt:

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

The former premier also blamed Jews for hindering progress in US foreign policy.

Complete woo here (http://thejakartaglobe.com/home/if-us-could-create-avatar-it-could-fake-911-attacks-mahathir/354031).

:dl:
Except that 9/11 happened in 2001 and Avatar was made in 2009.

How do people like this get elected? Maybe I should run, myself.…

[Alt+F4]

I think the biggest conspiracy here is that Jim Cameron is able to convince people that Avatar, Aliens, The Abyss and Terminator 2 isn't all the same movie.

[Firestone]

well, like true skeptics, we disregarded his statement, since he provided ZERO evidence.

like true skeptics, we believe that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. we don't simple believe anything a politician says, like you guys clearly do.Just for the record, Cossiga was being sarcastic, as anyone but truthers by now should understand.

From the relevant thread:

Cossiga has also been prime minister of Italy.

Of course, as has been pointed out before, it doesn't really matter.

A careful reading of the article in the Corriere della Sera leaves little doubt that Cossiga is being sarcastic about the perceived tendency of the Italian left to blame everything on Berlusconi, the Americans and the Zionists.

The "exceptional scoop" he announces in the article has (of course) failed to materialize.

Hi guys,

I'm from Italy, so I know very well the sarcasm of our former president Cossiga. Before doing a translation of the article, I'd like to point out that Cossiga does NOT thrust in CT about 9/11, and he said that a lot of time. Italian CTers (like Giulietto Chiesa) seems to have a very short memory, and while they point to his latest interview on Corriere della Sera thinking Cossiga is a CTer, they forget to mention many other interviews released by the former president, like this one on La Stampa (sorry, but the forum does not allow me to link) another important italian newspaper. (to be precise, this is not an interview but an article written by Cossiga himself)

I won't translate all this one, but just the most important sentence (BTW, if you are interested in the full translation, just ask me ^_^):

"Rifiuto la teorica «complottista» che è un'abile e talvolta sincera contraffazione della realtà per il timore di essa: Moro sarebbe stato rapito dalle «così dette» Brigate Rosse, strumento della CIA, o del KGB o della P2 o del… Priorato di Sion"

Which could be literally translated as follows (bold are by me):

"I refuse the conspiracy theory, which is a smart and sometimes sincere contrafaction of reality caused by the fear of that (reality).

He also says:

"Ricordando quanto «aperta» sia la società americana [...] mi sembra improbabile anzi impossibile che l’11 settembre sia stato frutto di un complotto americano"

"Rememering how is "open" american society, I think is very unlikely, I may say impossible, that 9/11 was an inside job".

So, as you can see, Cossiga isn't a CT, but just a man with a strange sense of humour.

After this introduction, I think is time to translate the interview you are talking about in this topic.
Bolds are by me

"As I've been told, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow (interview appeared on 30 november 07) the most important chain of newspaper of our country should give the proof, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (which in reality is an audio tape, NdR) in which appear Osama, leader of "the great and powerful movement of islamic revenge Al Quaeda" - God bless him! - and in which are formulated threats to our ex president Berlusconi, is nothing more than a fake realized inside Mediaset studios (the huge television group owned by Berlusconi) in Milan and sent to arabic television Al Jazeera.

The trap was organized to create solidarity for Berlusconi, which is having lot of problem related for the tangle between RAI and Mediaset. From sources near to Palazzo Chigi, the nevralgic center of italian intelligence, we know that the video is fake because Osama admits that he was the mind behind the attacks against the twin towers, while all the democratic parties in Europe and USA know very well that the attack was organised by CIA and Mossad, whit the help of sionistic world, just to accuse arab countries and induce occident to intervein both in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is why nobody in parlament gave solidarity to Berlusconi, which is the author of the fake video".


Pape

[bill smith]

Just for the record, Cossiga was being sarcastic, as anyone but truthers by now should understand.

From the relevant thread:

Original

Rifiuto la teorica «complottista» che è un'abile e talvolta sincera contraffazione della realtà per il timore di essa: Moro sarebbe stato rapito dalle «così dette» Brigate Rosse, strumento della CIA, o del KGB o della P2 o del… Priorato di Sion


Babelfish Translation

Refusal “the complottista” theoretical that is un' skillful and sometimes sincere counterfeiting of the truth for the fear of it: Moor would have been kidnapped from “thus said” Red Brigades, instrument of the CIA, or the KGB or of or of… Priorato di Sion

Your Translation

I refuse the conspiracy theory, which is a smart and sometimes sincere contrafaction of reality caused by the fear of that (reality).

[Redtail]

Original

Rifiuto la teorica «complottista» che è un'abile e talvolta sincera contraffazione della realtà per il timore di essa: Moro sarebbe stato rapito dalle «così dette» Brigate Rosse, strumento della CIA, o del KGB o della P2 o del… Priorato di Sion


Babelfish Translation

Refusal “the complottista” theoretical that is un' skillful and sometimes sincere counterfeiting of the truth for the fear of it: Moor would have been kidnapped from “thus said” Red Brigades, instrument of the CIA, or the KGB or of or of… Priorato di Sion

Your Translation

I refuse the conspiracy theory, which is a smart and sometimes sincere contrafaction of reality caused by the fear of that (reality).

The bolded should tell you something.

[bill smith]

Fantastic Bill, this is the breakthrough we need.

There must be thousands of licensed engineers in Malaysia and Mahatir can get them mobilized to look at the results and perhaps start to do a proper independant investigation. Richard Gage could help by giving a tour of Malaysia and Indonesia and that way we could get a lot more than 80 or so structural engineers from around the world who have signed the petition so far.

When they provide the proof in a way that the New York structural engineers understand, we are sure to get thousands more than the five who have signed up.

So lets start a fund raiser to send Richard Gage to meet with Dr Mahatir to start a new investigation.

Are there really 80 structural engineers around the world who say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions ? Jeez two would be impressive let alone 80.

This 9/11 ''secret' is way out in the open wwith half the world pretending they don't see. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. lol

[Redtail]

Are there really 80 structural engineers around the world who say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions ? Jeez two would be impressive let alone 80.

This 9/11 ''ssecret' is way out in the open wwith half the world pretending they don't see. It would be hiarious if it wasn't so sad. lol

Far more than 80 actors, directors, and film critics say that Avatar sucks. Avatar has made somewhere around $1,000,000,000. The moral of this story is that what people "say", even if they are experts in the field, means hummingbird **** to reality.

[Telltale Tom]

Are there really 80 structural engineers around the world who say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions ? Jeez two would be impressive let alone 80.

This 9/11 ''secret' is way out in the open wwith half the world pretending they don't see. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. lol

Well we have included a few people who design roads in that number but I am sure we will reach 80 eventually And there must be thousands in Malaysia alone so this should be a go.

[peteweaver]

Each frame of CGI in the film avatar takes 52 hours to render. Rendering technology in 2001 was even slower.

[1stClassAlan]

Oh dear! Our Dr Judy Woods has rather gone down hill hasn't see? What looks she had have most definately crashed faster than freefall !

But besides the jollyjapes - she was first to post stuff about faster than freefall ( before withdrawing it sometime later ) I Emailed her personally and then the Uni over and over without reply - funnily enough I had the same result from Prof S. Jones until he was sacked. Now, of course, being sacked by a supposed overbearing employer in the pay of The Establishment could be looked on as a badge of honour in some scripts but in these two cases even their supporters seem to have quietly put their coats on and left the room.

Dr Judy posted vast tomes on the structural failure of the Towers whilst proclaiming her engineering credentials as if she was working in heavy materials where in the more exacting truth all her studies involve the small mechanics of dentistry - not that we don't need dentures that last!

Prof Bezant sent me 87 pages of reply and was most courteous even when I presumed to "improve" them.

[bill smith]

Well we have included a few people who design roads in that number but I am sure we will reach 80 eventually And there must be thousands in Malaysia alone so this should be a go.

Well then let's say that 70 structural engineers around the world say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions. That's stunning whatever way you look at it.

[thecritta]

[QUOTE=parky76;5544736]id still like to know why 9-11 Truthers are soo very racist against Arabs.[/QUOTE

What huh? Your not being serious right you are only joking arent you
i have no problem with arabs they are human just like everyone else,

Although i do remember watching a comedy show on Tv where they
had Yasser Arafat wearing his turbine around his head and some guy
come up behind him with a white plate and started using his turbine
as a tea towel to dry the plate rolf lol anyone know what i am talking
about i wish i knew the name of the show so i could watch it again lol.

[Dave Rogers]

Well then let's say that 70 structural engineers around the world say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions. That's stunning whatever way you look at it.

Stupidity so often is.

Dave

[Telltale Tom]

Well then let's say that 70 structural engineers around the world say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions. That's stunning whatever way you look at it.

I agree Bill .. its stunning
We may not have popular support or any of the tall building people in our crowd, but we will keep going.

[bill smith]

I agree Bill .. its stunning
We may not have popular support or any of the tall building people in our crowd, but we will keep going.

Absolutely

[Alferd_Packer]

I agree Bill .. its stunning
We may not have popular support or any of the tall building people in our crowd, but we will keep going.

hmmm, you don't have the support of the people that actually know about this field. I would say that is a big hole in you support base, wouldn't you?

[9/11-investigator]

Just for the record, Cossiga was being sarcastic, as anyone but truthers by now should understand.

Could you point out the sarcasm to me? Thanks.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

[beachnut]

Could you point out the sarcasm to me? Thanks.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."
No surprise you support the dumbest ideas on 911 including the idiot in the OP who hates Jews like you do and fits in with the dirt dumb mentality of neoNAZIs. Perfect match, you and the dolt in the OP making up lies and wrong for 8 years. Thank goodness for the Internet where idiotic ideas can find company.

PrisonPlanet, great source for idiotic junk. Good job; when you cite PrisonPlanet, you have debunked yourself. Very nice, indeed

[Arus808]

Each frame of CGI in the film avatar takes 52 hours to render. Rendering technology in 2001 was even slower.

Yes it was, and would have taken a data center room full of servers in order to do that for 30 seconds of "footage".

Squaresoft's Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within - One entire floor of their Honolulu office was used to help animate that film. I had the pleasure of seeing their server room just for rendering animation sequences for that film.

The kind of power needed and the number server racks to do the rendering needed for what happened on 9/11 would have taken several floors of server racks in the WTC towers themselves to render.

[dudalb]

Each frame of CGI in the film avatar takes 52 hours to render. Rendering technology in 2001 was even slower.


Which is why Avatar cost so freaking much to make.

[Brainache]

I agree Bill .. its stunning
We may not have popular support or any of the tall building people in our crowd, but we will keep going.

Absolutely

You're funny.

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.




Translation: "If a Hollywood hack can produce an overblown remake of 'Pocahontas', then George W Bush is a mass murderer."

Makes sense to me... Call the Cops!

[dudalb]

You're funny.




Translation: "If a Hollywood hack can produce an overblown remake of 'Pocahontas', then George W Bush is a mass murderer."

Makes sense to me... Call the Cops!

Substitute "Dances With Wolves" for "Pocahontas" and I agree.....

[Thunder]

now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries

and the evidence he provided is??????

thought so. big talk.....little evidence.

[9/11-investigator]

No surprise you support the dumbest ideas on 911 including the idiot in the OP who hates Jews like you do and fits in with the dirt dumb mentality of neoNAZIs.

OMG, still the same dull vocabulary.

PrisonPlanet, great source for idiotic junk. Good job; when you cite PrisonPlanet, you have debunked yourself. Very nice, indeed

beachnut has some difficulty understanding the difference between the medium and the message.

Here is the original quotation from Italy's nr 1 newspaper:

http://www.corriere.it/politica/07_novembre_30/osama_berlusconi_cossiga_27f4ccee-9f55-11dc-8807-0003ba99c53b.shtml

Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla Cia americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan.

Any questions, beachnut? Just ask, that's why we're here for.

[Thunder]

Osama Bin Laden in esso 'confessa' che Al Qaeda sarebbe stato l'autore dell'attentato dell'11 settembre alle due torri in New York, mentre tutti gli ambienti democratici d'America e d'Europa, con in prima linea quelli del centrosinistra italiano, sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla Cia americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan.


what evidence did this moron provide?

we should simply take his word for it because he is a former President of Italy?

sorry...but I don't trust politicians THAT much.

This is JREF. we trust...but verify.

[twinstead]

I wish it were REALLY as easy as just saying something or quoting somebody saying something for it to be true.

I am a millionaire
I am a millionaire
I am a millionaire
The former president of Italy said I am a millionaire


Crap. It indeed does NOT work!

[9/11-investigator]

what evidence did this moron provide?

Not much really except that he was well acquainted with the world of secret services. An expert now that you mention it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Did you verify that Cossiga is a moron? I mean, this is JREF afterall!

[beachnut]

OMG, still the same dull vocabulary.

beachnut has some difficulty understanding the difference between the medium and the message. ...

Any questions, beachnut? Just ask, that's why we're here for.It does not take fancy vocabulary to describe your failed delusions on 911 or your support for biased bigoted dolts who share your insane claims on 911.

Do you support the Jew hating dolt in the OP who said, "if US could Create Avatar, It could fake 911"? Or are you posting idiotic neoNAZI web sites because you lack the knowledge to know they are wrong and they hate Jews like you do?

Please explain why you can't figure out 911 and have to post dirt dumb delusions. I am just asking as you requested to find out why you support idiots who spew delusions on 911 and do it so poorly. ?

[twinstead]

Not much really except that he was well acquainted with the world of secret services. An expert now that you mention it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Did you verify that Cossiga is a moron? I mean, this is JREF afterall!

So when an 'expert' agrees with you, he's an expert, but when an 'expert' doesn't (NIST scientists, etc)....fill in the blank.

[Firestone]

what evidence did this moron provide?

we should simply take his word for it because he is a former President of Italy?

sorry...but I don't trust politicians THAT much.

This is JREF. we trust...but verify.Once again, read the full article (and not the very partial and misleading "translation" given by prisonplanet), or read the whole thread I linked to this morning.

Cossiga was SARCASTIC, and he didn't say that 9/11 was an inside job. He said that "within a few days" (remember that was more than 2 years ago) an article would appear with the claim that 9/11 was an inside job.
Of course that article never appeared, as Cossiga was being facetious about the perceived habit of the Italian left to blame everything on the US and Israel.

[twinstead]

Of course that article never appeared, as Cossiga was being facetious about the perceived habit of the Italian left to blame everything on the US and Israel.

Interesting.

[newton3376]

Oh she has a lot more than a mere PhD Scott. She is the singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World. Mackey could sit at her knee for instance.

Saying that she is the "singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World." is just you parroting what Jim Fetzer said on hardfire in his debate with Mark Roberts.

Perhaps you should watch her interview with Dr Greg Jenkins (also a truther if memory serves) where she makes several basic errors in physics....including what it would take to "dustify" or vaporize steel, how a freaking microwave oven actually works, and difference between various form of directed energy.

There is more but those three are the most laughable...

And who knows ? I woudn't rule out a merging of theories at some point or one dropping their theories in favour of the other.I never rule anything out Scott. especially on 9/11.

Unfortunately for you....the merging of two or more equally inane, disproven theories is one really big inane, disproven theory.

The problem with Dr Judy Woods and many other truthers is that it doesn't take much to show your average, competent engineer that they are full of it....

Dr. Judy Woods>>>>Show Greg Jenkins interview

Richard Gage>>>>>>Show Gage doing the cardboard box demo in the hardfire debate

Jim Fetzer>>>>>>>>Not technically qualified

David Ray Griffin>>>Not technically qualified

Steven Jones>>>>>Show evolution from conventional explosives, to thermite or thermate, to "nano/super" thermite, to some strange undefined combination of "nano/super" thermite and conventional explosives.

We could also add David Chandler, Tony Szamboti, and Anders Bjorkman to the list for the ridiculous crap they have said here and elsewhere, but most people....including truthers have no idea who they are.

This why most engineers, scientists, and ......well.......EVERYONE justs ignores truthers and laughs at them. Your "1,000" engineers over at AE911 signed their name to a petition, but thats where it ends.

This is a case where "absence of evidence" really is "evidence of absence"......

[CompusMentus]

Saying that she is the "singlemost technically qualified scientist on 9/11 matters in the World." is just you parroting what Jim Fetzer said on hardfire in his debate with Mark Roberts.


Fetzer has repeated that claim many times on his various radio shows. He once asked Dr Judy if she could explain what direct energy weapons were exactly, her reply was (from memory) "They are weapons that use energy, that's directed. That's all we need to know" I kid you not. that is the extent of her hypothesis.

It's well worth listening to the Fetzer/Wood interviews they are comedy gold.


Compus

[9/11-investigator]

It's well worth listening to the Fetzer/Wood interviews they are comedy gold.Compus

Much unlike Jones, Gage and Griffin.

[dudalb]

Much unlike Jones, Gage and Griffin.

They provide their share of laughs as well.....

[bardamu]

Could it be that in this case the truth is 'anti-semitic'?

Question for Parky: suppose an Israeli is sitting in an orchard taking a nap and all over sudden an apple falls on his head. Must we then consider gravity to be an anti-semitic force?

If he takes out insurance against being hit on the head by an apple then gets his friends to shake the tree while he takes a nap under it, would it be anti-semitic to call him a fraudster?

[Corsair 115]

Well we all have James Cameron's personal testimony to the fact that he is the One True Leader, and it is quite public and proves that he is the leader of the NWO:

"I'm the King of the World"


Well, I didn't vote for him.

[Comsat Angel]

I agree Bill .. its stunning
We may not have popular support or any of the tall building people in our crowd, but we will keep going.

Hey - if Kubrick could film "2001" that means NASA faked the moon landings! If Speilberg could film "Saving Private Ryan" that means WW2 never happened! And if King Features could film "Flash Gordon" that means we were travelling to other star systems in the 1930's!

Wow! Isn't credulous inanity* great!

*Or insanity. Take your pick.

[dtugg]

Much unlike Jones, Gage and Griffin.

They provide their share of laughs as well.....

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/SG-exAPo-1I/AAAAAAAABz0/edWgNWJOiTs/s400/GageWithBoxes.jpg

[Justin39640]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/SG-exAPo-1I/AAAAAAAABz0/edWgNWJOiTs/s400/GageWithBoxes.jpg

... and there, in a nutshell, is why no one takes him seriously. (except a few thousand morons)

[newton3376]

Fetzer has repeated that claim many times on his various radio shows. He once asked Dr Judy if she could explain what direct energy weapons were exactly, her reply was (from memory) "They are weapons that use energy, that's directed. That's all we need to know" I kid you not. that is the extent of her hypothesis.

lol

What always strikes me as funny if that truthers will listen to Judy Woods even though she has never worked with directed energy weapons.....I have and yet when I try to correct the EPIC FAIL I tend to be ignored by truthers....

It's well worth listening to the Fetzer/Wood interviews they are comedy gold.p

LOL

[sadhatter]

I think this fits with my " look around , who do you see?" school of thought on woo.

If this is the type of person they have on their side, i am not exactly shaking in my boots.

[bill smith]

I think this fits with my " look around , who do you see?" school of thought on woo.

If this is the type of person they have on their side, i am not exactly shaking in my boots.

Why would you be shaking in your boots ? Are you a perp ?

[sadhatter]

Well then let's say that 70 structural engineers around the world say that the WTC buildings were controlled demolitions. That's stunning whatever way you look at it.

Not at all bill.

What you are really saying is that everyone else in the world with an appropriate degree at this point in time is against you.

That is not amazing, i could find you many more than 80 people in professional fields who believe in faeries, does that mean that they exist?

And if we are supposed to be amazed at your 80 people, what about our 100X+ of that amount? You parade 80 around like it is an accomplishment, while our numbers mean nothing. And that is not even scratching the surface of the differential of facts and qualifications between our competing sides.

[sadhatter]

Why would you be shaking in your boots ? Are you a perp ?

Yes i am an illuminatti scumdog sent from the planet Scumdogia, in order to get information to general zog about our impending takeover, and while i am here assassinate Alex Jones , kill babies , torch the planet and generally act like a jerk.

If your wondering as to why i would tell you this, our new motto is " they fear us more when they know that we don't lie. ".

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by bill smith http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5553633#post5553633)
Why would you be shaking in your boots ? Are you a perp ?

I am, Bill. I helped carry out 9-11. I helped with the preparation in NYC. that's why I was in Hong Kong on 9-11. whatcha' gonna do about it?

:D

[bill smith]

Originally Posted by bill smith http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5553633#post5553633)
Why would you be shaking in your boots ? Are you a perp ?

I am, Bill. I helped carry out 9-11. I helped with the preparation in NYC. that's why I was in Hong Kong on 9-11. whatcha' gonna do about it?

:D



Is that where you were on 9/11Parky ?

[9/11-investigator]

What you are really saying is that everyone else in the world with an appropriate degree at this point in time is against you.

That is not amazing, i could find you many more than 80 people in professional fields who believe in faeries, does that mean that they exist?

And if we are supposed to be amazed at your 80 people, what about our 100X+ of that amount? You parade 80 around like it is an accomplishment, while our numbers mean nothing. And that is not even scratching the surface of the differential of facts and qualifications between our competing sides.

Your 'logic' is breathtaking: if somebody shuts up, it means he is in sadhatter's corner. Fascinating.

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

[NutCracker]

Much unlike Jones, Gage and Griffin.

Let us see.. a physics professor who is unaware of gravitational potential energy, an architects who believes a stack of cardboard boxes is a model for a high-riser and a theology professor who does what he is trained to do: give fact free and contra-factual sermons as if the underlying thesis is an established fact do quite well in the comedy department, thank you very much.

[Furcifer]

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

lol.

[dudalb]

Let us see.. a physics professor who is unaware of gravitational potential energy, an architects who believes a stack of cardboard boxes is a model for a high-riser and a theology professor who does what he is trained to do: give fact free and contra-factual sermons as if the underlying thesis is an established fact do quite well in the comedy department, thank you very much.

Hey, we are talking to a holocaust denier and a Nazi apologists,so the above is exactly the kind of people you could expect him to follow.....

[NutCracker]

Your 'logic' is breathtaking: if somebody shuts up, it means he is in sadhatter's corner. Fascinating.

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

Yes.. accusing the other side of 'breathtaking logic' and using breathtaking logic in a single post. All is possible (except for the 'Official Story' to be, well, true) in the Loose Brains Movement.

[sadhatter]

Your 'logic' is breathtaking: if somebody shuts up, it means he is in sadhatter's corner. Fascinating.

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

When all you have to do is say " they work for the evil!" of course i cannot. The problem is you have no standard of proof. I could find a group of 80 engineers living in the mountains with no human contact , and all you have to do is yell " they is evil" and by your standards of proof you win.

Again, every engineer other than those 80 is against you. And they have things like evidence, real, repeatable evidence. You have the cute lil phrase alphabet soup, i think i know who i am siding with.

[9/11-investigator]

I could find a group of 80 engineers living in the mountains with no human contact

No you can't.

Again, every engineer other than those 80 is against you.

You keep repeating that phrase but come up with a name then! Just name one (I have heard that phrase somewhere before in a different context, can't remember where; maybe dudalb can help me out :rolleyes:)

[9/11-investigator]

Hey, we are talking to a holocaust denier and a Nazi apologists,so the above is exactly the kind of people you could expect him to follow.....

Gage, Griffin and Jones, Nazis, really?

Ach mein Lieber!

Are you not afraid that your status as an intellectual giant (within the safe confinment of this forum that is) will crumble faster then a high rise building stuffed with nano-thermite?

[dudalb]

But not as fast as somebody building a model of the Two Towers out of cardboard boxes.....

[9/11-investigator]

But not as fast as somebody building a model of the Two Towers out of cardboard boxes.....

Did you know that your fellow Londoner bishop Williamson is back in the news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfPLiOYfZ3s
(part 1, french/german speakers only)

You do realize that he diagnosed 9/11 correctly as an Israeli outside job a few weeks after the event? It took me 5 years to realize that. But then again, the bishop is a global hero while I post on JREF. :D

[Thunder]

You do realize that he diagnosed 9/11 as an Israeli outside job a few weeks after the event? It took me 5 years to realize that.

and what incredible evidence did the good Bishop use to make such a BS accusation..just WEEKS after 9-11?????

how much research into 9-11 did he conduct?

how many intelligence services, engineers, architects, did he consult?

fascinating stuff..you bring to JREF. just fascinating.

[bill smith]

and what incredible evidence did the good Bishop use to make such a BS accusation?

how much research into 9-11 did he conduct?

how many intelligence services, engineers, architects, did he consult?

fascinating stuff..you bring to JREF. just fascinating.

This controversial Bishop had been excommunicated years ago from from the Church or something like that and then suddenly the Pope accepted him back. He had previously said that that the amount ofJews that were gassed was enormously exaggerated. So when the Pope took hin back there was great stress and consternation here nd there.

Eventually the Pope was pressured into making a statement...This is just recent so i'm sure you must have heard about it ? I have links if you need.

Well anyway the Pope said that Holocaust denial or minimisation could not be tolerated.

You know what he was saying of course.......

Naughty Pope...

But that's not my conspiracy.

[dudalb]

Did you know that your fellow Londoner bishop Williamson is back in the news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfPLiOYfZ3s
(part 1, french/german speakers only)

You do realize that he diagnosed 9/11 correctly as an Israeli outside job a few weeks after the event? It took me 5 years to realize that. But then again, the bishop is a global hero while I post on JREF. :D



Londoner?????
I have spent a total of 8 weeks in the UK in my life, on vacation.
I was was born in the East San Francisco Bay Area,raised there, and except for my time in the US Army, have lived all my life in California, currently in Sacramento.
Where you picked up I am a Brit, let alone a Londoner, I can't understand.
As for bishop Williamson, he is not a global hero. He is a nutter who is considered an embarassment by his own church. He is the UK's answer to Mel Gibson. Some Global hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson_(bishop)

The guy think The Sound Of Music is a sinful film, for Heaven's sake.

[bill smith]

Londoner?????
I have spent a total of 8 weeks in the UK in my life, on vacation.
I was was born in the East San Francisco Bay Area,raised there, and except for my time in the US Army, have lived all my life in California, currently in Sacramento.
Where you picked up I am a Brit, let alone a Londoner, I can't understand.
As for bishop Williamson, he is not a global hero. He is a nutter who is considered an embarassment by his own church. He is the UK's answer to Mel Gibson. Some Global hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson_(bishop)

The guy think The Sound Of Music is a sinful film, for Heaven's sake.

If you do a search of that wiki document does the word 'minimisation' in it's English or American forms appear ?

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

The guy think The Sound Of Music is a sinful film, for Heaven's sake.

Well, of course he does. Nazi soldiers actually get shot at, at one point in it. ;)

[beachnut]

Did you know that your fellow Londoner bishop Williamson is back in the news?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfPLiOYfZ3s
(part 1, french/german speakers only)

You do realize that he diagnosed 9/11 correctly as an Israeli outside job a few weeks after the event? It took me 5 years to realize that. But then again, the bishop is a global hero while I post on JREF. :D
Do neoNAZIs try to post on topic? Your web site is pure anti-intellectual claptrap.

Or do you think this tripe supports the delusions of the person discussed in the OP? Your web site is a weak anti-semitic attempt at blaming Jews for 911 and you post in this thread because the OP is about an anti-semitic dolt who makes up lies about 911 like you do; and you share the same hate for Jews as the moron, Mahathir Mohamad.

But your posts are off topic.

[Brainache]

Your 'logic' is breathtaking: if somebody shuts up, it means he is in sadhatter's corner. Fascinating.

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

You know how long it took to find this list of peer reviewed engineering articles? About ten seconds, but I'm a slow typist:

http://www.debunking911.com/paper.htm

If you scroll down the page you will see a long list of scholarly papers written by Engineers from many different countries. Not one of them published by Bentham. I wonder why?

[tsig]

Your 'logic' is breathtaking: if somebody shuts up, it means he is in sadhatter's corner. Fascinating.

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

"b) and don't post on JREF"

I guess this automatically disqualifies anything you have said.

[Dave Rogers]

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

In other words, if we rule out everybody who disagrees with AE911T, then nobody disagrees with AE911T. Like, wow.

Dave

[twinstead]

You know how long it took to find this list of peer reviewed engineering articles? About ten seconds, but I'm a slow typist:

http://www.debunking911.com/paper.htm

If you scroll down the page you will see a long list of scholarly papers written by Engineers from many different countries. Not one of them published by Bentham. I wonder why?

I'd be curious what 911-investigator thinks about those papers

[sadhatter]

No you can't.

Wow, just wow.

So i need something cleared up.

Did you

A) Misunderstand what i meant by the 80 engineers in the mountains comment?

or

B) realize you couldn't reply to it, so you just made up something nonsensical?

I just need to know how to word my reply.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Your 'logic' is breathtaking: if somebody shuts up, it means he is in sadhatter's corner. Fascinating.

But seriously, can you show for an organization of 80+ structural engineers who are:

a) not on the payroll of NIST, FBI, CIA and the rest of the alfabet soup
b) and don't post on JREF

and nevertheless defend the theses as dreamt up by the US gov?

See, I knew you couldn't.

We don't need to provide any such persons or organizations. The ones who have already come forward are sufficient.

You gave up your game plan when you said "and don't post on JREF".

Prior to your joining JREF, you had only the "no NIST, FBI, CIA, yadda, yadda, yadda" rule. Any further experts we provide you with, will only result in you adding another group to your disregard list. This is the Inflationary Model of Conspiracy Theories in effect.

You've shown you can't even deal with the inrformation you've already been given. Finish what's on your plate first, young man.

[George152]

I'd be curious what 911-investigator thinks about those papers

The argument disqualifies itself. You used the word 'think'

[1stClassAlan]

Just for the record - if anyone is still in doubt - I am most certainly a Brit and resident there for upwards of sixty years.

I watched the Towers come down about four hours behind with my brother - I've had high-rise structural responsibility as a site supervisor ( used to be Site Agent in my time ! ) and he's worked as a materials stress analyst in the aircraft industry - we both turned to each other saying "all the connectors failed" :jaw-dropp But of course, knowing the method of construction and the extent of damage - not that surprising.

Looking at another post above - I would think any number of highly religious people would find fault with The Sound of Music - don't forget that the heroine Maria is a NUN and ends up enTRAPPED ( ha,ha,ha ) by a rich and randy aristo with seven children. Mein Gott!

[dafydd]

Most likely just more trolling, so... yes. I'm surprise there are still plenty who do not have bill smith on ignore. He can't possibly be that much fun to engage. :confused:

His/her lumbering,unintentional attempts at humour amuse me,and it's always fun to see Bill endorsing every crackpot theory that comes along.Just how inept can one troll be?

[twinstead]

Just how inept can one troll be?

I fear we have only scratched the surface...





Ah come on bill. I'm just joshin' with ya ;)