Ghosts are made of neutrinos?

[Cainkane1]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.

Comments?

[madurobob]

Yeah, um, I think first you need to have actual evidence of a ghost, before you go explaining just what they're made of. Otherwise you're really just making **** up.

[Cainkane1]

Yeah, um, I think first you need to have actual evidence of a ghost, before you go explaining just what they're made of. Otherwise you're really just making **** up.
I don't believe in ghosts myself. I'm quoting a TV program that caters to people who do.

[madurobob]

I don't believe in ghosts myself. I'm quoting a TV program that caters to people who do.

I assumed as much - the "you" in my statement wasn't referring to cainkane1, but rather to the "expert" on the program.

[paiute]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.

Comments?

Isn't that called assuming facts not in evidence?

[madurobob]

And, I suppose it would be too much to expect this "expert" to outline other examples of neutrinos organizing into something else and how this happens?

I bet his answer would be "its quantum".

[Pure Argent]

No, ghosts aren't made of neutrinos. That's Thornton's Planet.

[Bikewer]

In fact, ghosts can't walk through walls. It's always the first thing they try after death; they bump their noses and start grumbling to themselves.

[Dancing David]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.

Comments?

That would explian why people never see one, since neutrinos don't not interact with the EM force.

[Drewbot]

... since neutrinos don't not interact with the EM force.

Which proves ghosts are not made of Neutrinos, because don't ghosts also interfere with EM fields? See Electromagnetic detector

http://www.trifieldmeter.com/

[Horatius]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.

Comments?



It would also explain the complete lack of any actual ghosts here on Earth, as they'd be flying off at the speed of light. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Speed)

[twistor59]

I always struggled with the physical properties of ghosts:

you can see and hear them (Woooooooo), so they must take part in the electromagnetic interaction to some extent

a)they can pass through walls, but they can walk around on the surface of the earth, so:
b) they're probably held there by gravity otherwise they'd float off, but
c) they must experience a reaction force from the ground otherwise they'd sink into it, sort of conflicts with (a)

So strange that some people will be suggesting that they're imaginary.

[KingMerv00]

Neutrinos are affected by gravity and almost never interact directly with matter. That means all of the ghosts created on Earth's surface have either fallen to the center of the Earth or have fallen with enough speed to pass through the core, out other the other side and fly off into space.

[sadhatter]

Ghosts are as made of neutrinos as Orcs are made of cream cheese.

I agree with the previous poster, i love how without proving ghosts exist, they are already trying to figure out what they are made of.

[schrodingasdawg]

Actually, ghosts are made entirely of WIMPs, but are a homeopathic preparation of neutrinos that were once dissolved in the WIMPs. All that remains to be proved is the existence of WIMP memory.

[madurobob]

Ghosts are as made of neutrinos as Orcs are made of cream cheese.
:)

I"m kinda bummed that "cream cheese orc" yields no results in google.

[sadhatter]

:)

I"m kinda bummed that "cream cheese orc" yields no results in google.

If it makes you feel any better it makes me think of an orc desperately trying to make a bagel, but being unsuccessful.

[Blackwell]

:)

I"m kinda bummed that "cream cheese orc" yields no results in google.

Haha -- so I'm not the only one who ran that Google query...

[King of the Americas]

I used to be a ghost, until I wandered into honeymoon suite...

The next thing I remember was a white guy slapping me until I was screaming.

But that was a long time ago. And it may not have actually happened. ;)

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On a more serious note, what is the energy/force that makes our brain work. The neurons in your brain 'fire' or move. This movement, indicates 'alive'...when it stops, we rekon 'dead'...

The whatever is moving...what 'it' made out of? I mean, is it electricity?

Does it have a heat signature?

[jiggeryqua]

I always struggled with the physical properties of ghosts:

you can see and hear them (Woooooooo), so they must take part in the electromagnetic interaction to some extent

a)they can pass through walls, but they can walk around on the surface of the earth, so:
b) they're probably held there by gravity otherwise they'd float off, but
c) they must experience a reaction force from the ground otherwise they'd sink into it, sort of conflicts with (a)

So strange that some people will be suggesting that they're imaginary.

There are famous ghosts, up northwards in England, in the cellar of a pub (hmm...), of the Roman 4th Legion (I heard it as the 4th, is there an expert to hand?), which reportedly materialise from the knees up, as the original roman road is below the level of the cellar floor.

[Dmarie]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.

Comments?

I think you're referring to an episode of American Paranormal which aired on the National Geographic Channel. A team of scientists investigated the Eastern State Penitentiary and this team wanted to test certain hypothesis for possibe explanations regarding the paranormal claims reported there.

One member of the team, a theoretical astrophysicist, initially proposed that ghosts may be comprised of neutrinos. Because neutrinos do not have electrons, they can pass through solid matter just as alleged ghosts or apparitions do. But the problem is, without electrons, neutrinos cannot emit light or electromagnetic radiation. So if ghosts are made of neutrinos, "ghost hunters" would have a problem detecting them visually or their activity by video/photos and EMF detectors.

[Brian-M]

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[Brian-M]

On a more serious note, what is the energy/force that makes our brain work. The neurons in your brain 'fire' or move. This movement, indicates 'alive'...when it stops, we rekon 'dead'...

The whatever is moving...what 'it' made out of? I mean, is it electricity?

Does it have a heat signature?


Neurons communicate with each-other chemically. Internally, an electric pulse (generated by chemical energy) travels along the axon. Neurons produce small amounts of heat and tiny electromagnetic fields as they function.

[Andrew Wiggin]

:)

I"m kinda bummed that "cream cheese orc" yields no results in google.

Don't worry. It will, now that it's been said.

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[ynot]

"Ghosts are made of neutrinos?"

Nah . . . Neutrinos are made of ghosts.

[Dancing David]

I always struggled with the physical properties of ghosts:

you can see and hear them (Woooooooo), so they must take part in the electromagnetic interaction to some extent


Boom chakalaka, boom chakalaka is what they should say.

[shemp]

It would also explain the complete lack of any actual ghosts here on Earth, as they'd be flying off at the speed of light. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino#Speed)

Maybe they're "tired neutrinos"?

[Cainkane1]

That was it. That was the program. Ghosts don't exist but the world would be very interesting if they did.

[idoubtit]

I'll second exactly what Dmarie said - I saw the same show. It was actually a nice takedown by the science side. The best part was how noticeable the infrasound was. They used an infrasound generator that made people feel depressed and uneasy but the suggestion was that the building or area itself may have natural infrasound present that makes people react. (For more, read Vic Tandy's papers on the web.)

Of course, they had to end with some mystery so ruined the whole foundation of rationality.

I'm really taken by the idea that environmental factors + individual perception influence people's interpretation of an experience.

[JoeTheJuggler]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.


First, they'd have to prove ghosts exist before worrying over what they're made of.

Second, you still couldn't walk through walls if you were made of neutrinos. If the wall is transparent to you (that is, you can interpenetrate the wall), then the floor would be the same.

There's also the problem of photons somehow reflecting off neutrinos so that the ghost is visible. . . .

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

And, I suppose it would be too much to expect this "expert" to outline other examples of neutrinos organizing into something else and how this happens?

I bet his answer would be "its quantum".
And no problem with them remaining coherently organized over long periods of time.

Does radioactive decay produce ghosts, or are they not made of electron neutrinos?

~~ Paul

[GanipGnop]

l always thought ghosts were made of fairy farts and BS. This story reminds me of the Startrek TNG episode where Geordie and Ensign Ro become "out of phase" with the universe during a transporter accident while helping a Romulan vessel. They can walk through walls but magically they don't fall through the deck they also ride in a shuttle and it doesn't leave them behind floating in space. It turns out a Romulan crewman is also out of phase I forget how it happened but he gets on the Enterprise and chases Ensign Ro "through" the ship he catches her and is about to kill her when Geordie runs in and pushes the Romulan out of the ship into space. Up until that point it never occurred to me what's keep them from falling out of the ship into space.

[MattusMaximus]

That would explian why people never see one, since neutrinos don't not interact with the EM force.

Which would display a rather interesting inconsistecy in the claims of ghost hunters since they say that EMF meters can "detect" ghosts :rolleyes:

ETA: oops missed it... what Dmarie said :o

[schrodingasdawg]

Does radioactive decay produce ghosts, or are they not made of electron neutrinos?

Well, either ghosts undergo flavor oscillations and are sometimes made of electron neutrinos, or they are made up of mass eigenstate neutrinos and thus have some probability of being found to be made of electron neutrinos.

[sphenisc]

And, I suppose it would be too much to expect this "expert" to outline other examples of neutrinos organizing into something else and how this happens?

I bet his answer would be "its quantum".

Then it woud be a Faddeev–Popov ghost.

[tsig]

Maybe they're "tired neutrinos"?


Quantum neutrinos. If it ain't got quantum it ain't got nothin'.

As in:

ghosts are made of quantum neutrinos and therefore can exist in a bi-state both in and not in this world. We see them not with the eyes of reason but by the rules of quantum equivalencies.Ghosts cannot be expected to follow the normal laws of time-space limitations but to exhibit exactly those characteristics that we see.:boggled:

ETA: further investigation is required. send money.

[likelystory]

Neutrinos are affected by gravity and almost never interact directly with matter. That means all of the ghosts created on Earth's surface have either fallen to the center of the Earth or have fallen with enough speed to pass through the core, out other the other side and fly off into space.

How would the neutrinos continue to pass through the core if affected by gravity? Doesn't gravity act central to house the neutrinos indefinetly?

[Fredrik]

How would the neutrinos continue to pass through the core if affected by gravity? Doesn't gravity act central to house the neutrinos indefinetly?
If you throw a rock (or anything else) up in the air with a speed of about 11 km/s or more, it will never fall down again. The speed it needs to have to never come back is called "escape velocity". Neutrinos move close to the speed of light, which is (exactly) 299792.458 km/s, almost 30000 times greater than escape velocity.

But the real problem would be for the neutrinos to stick together to form a body, since they don't interact with each other either (at least not significantly).

[Brian-M]

If you throw a rock (or anything else) up in the air with a speed of about 11 km/s or more, it will never fall down again.


You're ignoring the effect of the atmosphere. In reality you'd have to throw it a lot faster to compensate for wind-resistance. (But as most neutrinos never interact with even a single molecule of air, your point is still valid.)

[Andrew Wiggin]

Actually, the phenomenon usually seen as a ghost is a floating phosphorescent unicorn fart. Unicorn farts can drift right through walls... When one sees a presumed ghost, one can be sure that an invisible unicorn is somewhere nearby. You can tell by the creepy hair-raising goosebumpy feeling that you get when being watched by invisible horny equines.

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[commandlinegamer]

There are famous ghosts, up northwards in England, in the cellar of a pub (hmm...), of the Roman 4th Legion (I heard it as the 4th, is there an expert to hand?), which reportedly materialise from the knees up, as the original roman road is below the level of the cellar floor.

You're referring to the Treasurer's House in York. Great story; I'd like a little more hard evidence though.

http://www.britannia.com/history/legend/yorkghosts/yorkgt05.html

Beautiful city BTW; well worth a visit whether you're there for the woo (ghost tours are everywhere) or not.

[Pedro De Mello]

:)

I"m kinda bummed that "cream cheese orc" yields no results in google.

LOL. Your comment is now the second directory that appears when one types it... you started history here! In ten years comes the action flick!:cool:

[Denver]

I was watching a TV program called Paranormal something or the other and a so called expert said that since ghosts can walk through wall they could not be made of atoms. He said they would have to be made of neutrinos.

Comments?


From the Lyrics of Little Neutrino by Klaatu:


It's only you
It can't be me
For I myself refuse to be
I am someone you'll never know
I am the little neutrino

And now I'm passing through
The one who is known as you
And yet, you'll never know I do
I really do


Nice ghostly flavor to it.

[jhunter1163]

LOL. Your comment is now the second directory that appears when one types it... you started history here! In ten years comes the action flick!:cool:

I get 18,400 hits, mostly recipes. But this thread has the #1 and #2 entries.

[The Fallen Serpent]

... invisible horny equines.

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Damn those invisible horny equines.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/3/

[Soapy Sam]

These would be special, heavy, extremely sluggish neutrinos, I expect?

This reminds me of an SF short , in which ghosts were in fact subatomic particles and tended to be blown away on the solar wind unless they had enough mass to hang around. Anyone remember who wrote it?

[Brian-M]

I get 18,400 hits, mostly recipes. But this thread has the #1 and #2 entries.


Try typing "cream cheese orc" instead of cream cheese orc -- the quotation marks tell Google to search for the entire phrase instead of the individual words.

With the quotation marks I only get the two results (both from this thread), but if I click on repeat the search with the omitted results included, I get sixty-two results -- all of them from this thread. :)