This is the Day

[Paul Bethke]

Greetings to ALL out Yonder

Let me wish you ALL an amazing 2004 To coincide with TAM 2004.
I have waited a long time for this opportunity---BUT here we are at last.
In brief the blinding of Randi and others will take place on the Thursday at 9:30 PM. during the scheduled program----
Thursday, Jan. 15 2004
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading.

This will give you ALL something to talk about---By rights the Show should go on.

The Blinding will also give me an introduction into the technical world where I can promote my manifesto.

Look folks there is no such thing as a big miracle or a small miracle they are all the same.
It is just that Randi through his promotion of his beliefs has given me the opportunity to go for the big guy.

I am not trying to remove Randi from the scene –he does a good job.
It is that he must learn that his interpretation of the Scriptures is erroneous---That’s ALL
This will give him and everyone else something to think about.

Cheers
Paul

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Greetings to ALL out Yonder

Let me wish you ALL an amazing 2004 To coincide with TAM 2004.
I have waited a long time for this opportunity---BUT here we are at last.
In brief the blinding of Randi and others will take place on the Thursday at 9:30 PM. during the scheduled program----
Thursday, Jan. 15 2004
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading.

This will give you ALL something to talk about---By rights the Show should go on.

The Blinding will also give me an introduction into the technical world where I can promote my manifesto.

Look folks there is no such thing as a big miracle or a small miracle they are all the same.
It is just that Randi through his promotion of his beliefs has given me the opportunity to go for the big guy.

I am not trying to remove Randi from the scene –he does a good job.
It is that he must learn that his interpretation of the Scriptures is erroneous---That’s ALL
This will give him and everyone else something to think about.

Cheers
Paul :cool:

[shemp]

I won't be there, but please put me on the blinding list too.

If I am not blinded at that very moment, I shall seek legal recourse!

[Peter Jenkins]

:tr:
Perhaps, this is not an appropriate forum to feed the troll.
P

[Doubt]

Originally posted by Peter Jenkins
:tr:
Perhaps, this is not an appropriate forum to feed the troll.
P

Troll? No.

A persistent woo-woo with a track record of failed blindings? Yes.

Paul is kind of like the Coyote in the Road Runner cartoons. It is funny to watch him fail over and over again. With Paul around, you get the idea the biblical prophecy is produced by Acme.

Where is that blinding list anyway?

[Cleopatra]

Dear skeptics.

I prayed to God and I am sure that nothing bad will happen you in TAM :)

[Mark]

I wonder. Not a miracle, but is this guy unstable enough to try some sort of actual attack? I'm sure I don't know. Maybe the moderators should consider contacting the FBI at this point. I consider his posting a potential threat.

That he is nuts is obvious. The question is, how nuts?

[xouper]

Paul Bethke: Let me wish you ALL an amazing 2004 To coincide with TAM 2004. I have waited a long time for this opportunity---BUT here we are at last. In brief the blinding of Randi and others will take place on the Thursday at 9:30 PM. during the scheduled program---- Thursday, Jan. 15 2004 8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading. ... Look folks there is no such thing as a big miracle or a small miracle they are all the same.I know this may come as a disappointment, Paul, but apparently there isn't going to be any such miracle. Perhaps you missed GOD's recent post on the JREF forum announcing he wasn't going to grant your request to blind anyone. Sorry, dude.

You shouldn't have any trouble finding GOD's post in this thread:
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32522

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Mark
I wonder. Not a miracle, but is this guy unstable enough to try some sort of actual attack? I'm sure I don't know. Maybe the moderators should consider contacting the FBI at this point. I consider his posting a potential threat. meh. Paul is looney tunes, but I don't think he's dangerous. He's been at this for years now and has never threatened physical violence.

Besides, most of the people on his blinding list, including myself, have asked to be there. Though many of us will be at TAM2, many will not. His "event" can only be shown true if he gets all of us, not just the ones in Vegas. He knows that.

I wouldn't worry about it.

[Paul Bethke]

Cleopatra

Dear skeptics.

I prayed to God and I am sure that nothing bad will happen you in TAM

Dear Cleo
Your prayer is of no importance because there is no god that will hear you. Because I am the ONLY ONE who can pray---That is communicate with the GOD of Israel—AND He is the ONLY GOD.


Hello xouper

I know this may come as a disappointment, Paul, but apparently there isn't going to be any such miracle. Perhaps you missed GOD's recent post on the JREF forum announcing he wasn't going to grant your request to blind anyone. Sorry, dude.

You shouldn't have any trouble finding GOD's post in this thread:

You must not believe everyone!

Regards
Paul

[Mark]

Originally posted by Upchurch
meh. Paul is looney tunes, but I don't think he's dangerous. He's been at this for years now and has never threatened physical violence.

Besides, most of the people on his blinding list, including myself, have asked to be there. Though many of us will be at TAM2, many will not. His "event" can only be shown true if he gets all of us, not just the ones in Vegas. He knows that.

I wouldn't worry about it.

I'm not overly worried about it...but I don't think the odds are zero, either. I mean he is threatening violence; "divine" violence, I grant you, but violence nonetheless. I guess the difference this time is that there is an actual location that he can get to, rather than impotent cyber threats.

I agree it's unlikely. But it's not impossible. He needs to be watched, I think.

[Paul Bethke]

Upchurch
meh. Paul is looney tunes, but I don't think he's dangerous. He's been at this for years now and has never threatened physical violence.

Besides, most of the people on his blinding list, including myself, have asked to be there. Though many of us will be at TAM2, many will not. His "event" can only be shown true if he gets all of us, not just the ones in Vegas. He knows that.

I wouldn't worry about it.

Hi Churchie
I like your suit—I can always rely on you to qualify the situation.
BTW don’t you think that the timing is perfect?
The TAM takes place on a Thursday.

Cheers
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Mark
I'm not overly worried about it...but I don't think the odds are zero, either. I mean he is threatening violence; "divine" violence, I grant you, but violence nonetheless. I guess the difference this time is that there is an actual location that he can get to, rather than impotent cyber threats.

I agree it's unlikely. But it's not impossible. He needs to be watched, I think.

Mark my words what I say I will do—Watchme—I need to be watched.

Hey Mark don’t worry be happy

Regards
Paul

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke


Dear Cleo
Your prayer is of no importance because there is no god that will hear you. Because I am the ONLY ONE who can pray---That is communicate with the GOD of Israel—AND He is the ONLY GOD.

I prayed in Hebrew you know.... ask God if you don't believe me.

Mr. Bethke with all my respect I don't like what you plan to do to my friends while they will be having fun in Vegas.

Can you punish them in some other way? I don't know... what if you inspire uncontrollable lust for each other and the meeting is turned into a Dionysiac orgy?

I bet this is what most of them will have in mind anyway... ;)

[Mark]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke


Mark my words what I say I will do—Watchme—I need to be watched.

Hey Mark don’t worry be happy

Regards
Paul

Having worked in the religious broadcasting field (I was very hungry at the time, and, yes, I do have a number of disgusting stories about the weasels in that business), I have met your type before, Paul. Many times. Almost all of them were trying to overcome the fact that in real life they were just pathetic losers.

I don't know you (and please don't confuse that with a desire to), and don't know your circumstances...but anyone who issues a threat (even a dopey, impotent one like yours) needs to be watched. Don't take it as a compliment; you bore me.

[GroundStrength]

Originally posted by Mark


Having worked in the religious broadcasting field (I was very hungry at the time, and, yes, I do have a number of disgusting stories about the weasels in that business), I have met your type before, Paul. Many times. Almost all of them were trying to overcome the fact that in real life they were just pathetic losers.


Mark,
Ever have a show in Houston?

[NoZed Avenger]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Can you punish them in some other way? I don't know... what if you inspire uncontrollable lust for each other and the meeting is turned into a Dionysiac orgy?



Ten bucks says I get put into the "control group" for this test and miss everything.


N/A

[Mark]

Originally posted by GroundStrength


Mark,
Ever have a show in Houston?

No...I was a DJ in Southern California. The owners of the rock station I was working at decided that religion was more profitable, and switched to a "Christian" format. It was...for them.

One of the more interesting things was that there was one (and only one) program where the host seemed sincere: it was a lady who was running a home for severely mentally retarded people...full time care types. She used to get zero donations from listeners, zip, nada; while the hucksters and faith healers used to rake in the dough. I always found that interesting...much like a train wreck is interesting. She was finally forced to cease operating the home (I don't know where the patients ended up); meanwhile, the hucksters went merrily on and on. Praise the Lord...in a pig's eye.

[Paul Bethke]

Mark
Having worked in the religious broadcasting field (I was very hungry at the time, and, yes, I do have a number of disgusting stories about the weasels in that business), I have met your type before, Paul. Many times. Almost all of them were trying to overcome the fact that in real life they were just pathetic losers.

I don't know you (and please don't confuse that with a desire to), and don't know your circumstances...but anyone who issues a threat (even a dopey, impotent one like yours) needs to be watched. Don't take it as a compliment; you bore me.

You have never met anyone like me because I am unique in my presentation.
I am merely repeating what took place in the Scriptures to get people to pay closer attention to what is written.

(I was very hungry at the time, and, yes, I do have a number of disgusting stories about the weasels in that business),

I am aware of these things---

Cheers

Paul

[Mark]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke


You have never met anyone like me because I am unique in my presentation.
I am merely repeating what took place in the Scriptures to get people to pay closer attention to what is written.



I am aware of these things---

Cheers

Paul

Actually, Paul, you remind me very much of a specific individual. So much so that I wonder...have you ever gone by the nickname "The Fanatic?" He was a fellow who once told me, in all seriousness, that it was perfectly OK for Christians to kill non-Christians.

[Phil]

Originally posted by Mark


No...I was a DJ in Southern California. The owners of the rock station I was working at decided that religion was more profitable, and switched to a "Christian" format. It was...for them.

One of the more interesting things was that there was one (and only one) program where the host seemed sincere: it was a lady who was running a home for severely mentally retarded people...full time care types. She used to get zero donations from listeners, zip, nada; while the hucksters and faith healers used to rake in the dough. I always found that interesting...much like a train wreck is interesting. She was finally forced to cease operating the home (I don't know where the patients ended up); meanwhile, the hucksters went merrily on and on. Praise the Lord...in a pig's eye.
Similar situation for me years ago. Working at a Golden Oldies station in Houston who sold out to a Baptist ministry. I stayed on for a summer, but aside from some Al Green, Aretha, and Elvis records I played, hated the music.

Also, I'm not real familiar with Paul, but I don't like the threat of violence either, from anyone, especially as you point out when he knows the location where many of us are going to be.

Having said that, Cleo's orgy idea has promise.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Hi Churchie
I like your suit
Thanks. I liked it too.
BTW don’t you think that the timing is perfect?
The TAM takes place on a Thursday.Perfect in what way? As far as I can see, it'll just mean that there are more people together to witness your utter impotence to command or predict God's wrath for the ....how many times? We must be approaching the two year mark, give or take? That makes it about 100 Thursdays that absolutely nothing happened.

Besides, I thought you swore to never come back after the last big failure. Well, that's what I get for believing a false prophet like yourself. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
--Albert Einstein (attributed)
Cheers.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Phil


Having said that, Cleo's orgy idea has promise.

I'll bring the soy sauce.

[Girl 6]

The only blinding that is going to happen is on Friday during the P&T show when you guys get to see my fabulous outfit. :p

G6

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Girl 6
The only blinding that is going to happen is on Friday during the P&T show when you guys get to see my fabulous outfit. :p

G6 *note to self: protective eyewear*

[Doubt]

Originally posted by Girl 6
The only blinding that is going to happen is on Friday during the P&T show when you guys get to see my fabulous outfit. :p

G6

Dilated pupils <> blinding.

But I am sure you could find some way to render us blind. Just remember that less is more……

:D

[Paul Bethke]

I do not think this is funny putting me here.
I do not have a sense of humour.

Cheers

Paul

[Lisa]

Paul, someone is merely giving this thread the attention and consideration it deserves.
Hey, weren't we all supposed to be struck blind during last year's TAM? What happened?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
I do not think this is funny putting me here.
I do not have a sense of humour.How can you not, Paul? You've been yanking our chains for years.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Lisa

{quote] Paul, someone is merely giving this thread the attention and consideration it deserves.
Hey, weren't we all supposed to be struck blind during last year's TAM? What happened?[/quote]

Well Sweetie certain things take longer----The timing for the other events that I have planned would not have coincided at that time----BUT now everything is perfect.


Hey Churchie

[quote] Perfect in what way? As far as I can see, it'll just mean that there are more people together to witness your utter impotence to command or predict God's wrath for the ....how many times? We must be approaching the two year mark, give or take? That makes it about 100 Thursdays that absolutely nothing happened.

Besides, I thought you swore to never come back after the last big failure. Well, that's what I get for believing a false prophet like yourself. [/quote}

You keep a good record---Anyway as I mentioned to Lisa, the timing is now perfect.

Keep Well
Paul

[Lisa]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Lisa


Well Sweetie certain things take longer----The timing for the other events that I have planned would not have coincided at that time----BUT now everything is perfect.



Keep Well
Paul
Paul, I'm glad all the men in my life don't take as long as you do.
cheers,
Lisa

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
You keep a good record---Anyway as I mentioned to Lisa, the timing is now perfect.I've heard that before too. Is the timing more or less perfect than the other times that the timing was perfect?

[Lisa]

I don't see how the timing at last year's TAM could be more perfect. The show was on, and a lot of the people who are on the blinding list were all sitting in the same room! Assuming god has (spits) realplayer, he could even verify our identities, thereby reducing the possibility of collateral damage.

[Paul Bethke]

Hi Churchie and Lisa

Lisa
I don't see how the timing at last year's TAM could be more perfect. The show was on, and a lot of the people who are on the blinding list were all sitting in the same room! Assuming god has (spits) realplayer, he could even verify our identities, thereby reducing the possibility of collateral damage.

Churchie I've heard that before too. Is the timing more or less perfect than the other times that the timing was perfect?

Now listen both of you-----The perfect time is the right time, any other time is not the perfect time—timing must be right to be perfect.

Again what if I am a year out---The event will not be any less spectacular—In actual fact it will be more spectacular because it will occur on a Thursday during the Show.

But again like I have said this event must coincide with OTHER events---AND those events have just recently taken place. Last year the events that I was waiting for had not taken place---I did not want to enter the public arena until they had.

So now I am ready to make my move.

Anyway I have sent James a reminder.

Cheers
Paul

[Lisa]

I alt-tabbed out of EveryQuest for this?
Paul, we got your warning last year too. The merriment helped with the pre-show jitters. Thanks.
And another thing before I go back to my game: what is it with all these EVENTS? Event this event that. Shock and surprise us one day by making sense.
cheers,
Lisa

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Now listen both of you-----The perfect time is the right time, any other time is not the perfect time—timing must be right to be perfect.So this time is more perfect than the last perfect time. Got it.

But wait!Again what if I am a year out---The event will not be any less spectacular—In actual fact it will be more spectacular because it will occur on a Thursday during the Show.So, let me see if I have this straight. This is the perfect time, but if it isn't the perfect time, the perfect time will be just as perfect as this perfect time would have been? Assuming, of course, that it had been perfect in the first place, which it will be?

How could anyone argue against that? :D
But again like I have said this event must coincide with OTHER events---AND those events have just recently taken place. Last year the events that I was waiting for had not taken place---I did not want to enter the public arena until they had. So, your predicition that certain events would happen before TAM1 did not occur? What does the Bible call a prophet whose predictions do not come true again?

Cheers!

[Luciana]

Now that this thread has been moved to its proper place, I'll give it five stars. :halo::th:

[GroundStrength]

Watching Upchurch flog the false prophet is one of my favorite things here on the JREF boards. I do so hope t won't come to an end with TAM2.


wait that sounded bad..oh, well

[whitefork]

"Flogging the false prophet".

Sounds like a fine new euphemism to me.

But remember, it was a flogging post that got Paul banned for a brief time a while back so don't let's encourage him.

Maybe I'll bring Beth back to join the festivities.

[Girl 6]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
I do not think this is funny putting me here.
I do not have a sense of humour.

Cheers

Paul

:roll:

THAT was hilarious!

G6

[Mark]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
I do not think this is funny putting me here.
I do not have a sense of humour.

Cheers

Paul

True, you don't. How sad for you.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Dear Cleo
Your prayer is of no importance because there is no god that will hear you. Because I am the ONLY ONE who can pray---That is communicate with the GOD of Israel—AND He is the ONLY GOD.
Thank you, Mr. Bethke :)

(I wouldnt want to sell myself short, but there is a lot of competition out there...)

[biglee]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
I do not think this is funny putting me here.
I do not have a sense of humour.

Cheers

Paul

But wait, Paul's a liar, we all know that, yet here he appears to be telling the truth, except he can't tell the truth because he's a liar...and...and...

Damn that Harry Mudd!!!

L.E.E.

[Julia]

Say Paul, I'm dissapointed. I may not be able to make it until Friday. Are you up to making an exception? A last minute blinding? I'm planning on wearing a sleek, sexy black dress that would look great with a cane and dark glasses for accessories.

As is often the case, I think Cleo has so far come up with the best plan.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Greetings to ALL out Yonder

Let me wish you ALL an amazing 2004 To coincide with TAM 2004.


Supposedly, there is a Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times!" I hope for an amazing 2004, but hopefully one that will not coincide with TAM2. You see, 2004 starts some time before TAM2, and any coincidence would indicate that God is doing a very poor job making sure that the years progress at the correct times.

I have waited a long time for this opportunity---BUT here we are at last.

Doesn't this seem remarkably reminiscant of the Jehovah's Witnesses? I warrant you will find yourself waiting again mister Bethke.

In brief the blinding of Randi and others will take place on the Thursday at 9:30 PM. during the scheduled program----
Thursday, Jan. 15 2004
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading.

Just like the other ones that you predicted huh? Is this blinding some sort of toggle switch? Perhaps when you blind someone who is already blind, you restore their sight!


This will give you ALL something to talk about---By rights the Show should go on.

Don't bet on it.


The Blinding will also give me an introduction into the technical world where I can promote my manifesto.

Lookie here, I can predict things too. The blinding will not happen, and you will be ignored. I am curious about that manifesto though, care to e-mail me a copy?


Look folks there is no such thing as a big miracle or a small miracle they are all the same.

What about a miracle so small it never happens? A very small, no-tricks-involved miracle would net you a million dollars, just from Randi, and plenty more from skeptical agencies around the world. Look, you can't say you're not in this for personal gain, seeing what you just said about the manifesto and all. Why not go for it, and set up the arrangements ahead of time?


It is just that Randi through his promotion of his beliefs has given me the opportunity to go for the big guy.

By "the big guy", do you mean Randi or someone else? If it's randi, then I would question what you mean by the promotion of his beliefs. Randi was an important (founding IIRC) member of CSCIOP, which as Randi notes has mostly religious members. Randi promotes skeptical thinking which rests on these beliefs:

-The universe exists.
-Entities can be proven to exist if their existance is falsifyable, i.e. you can prove something exists by showing evidence for it that allows for nothing else.
-There is no reason to posit that for which there is no evidence.

Are these beliefs Randi's? Not really, skeptical thinking works remarkably well, and is usefull to a large number of people in a large number of situations. Randi is promoting critical thinking for a very narrow (considering the applications) application, that is avoiding supernatural swindles. JREF is no peddler of atheism.


I am not trying to remove Randi from the scene –he does a good job.
I aint gonna hoiwt 'im, juss give 'im somtin' to think about.


It is that he must learn that his interpretation of the Scriptures is erroneous---That’s ALL
His what now? Hwat about Richard Dawkins, a far higher profile person with the same veiw of the scriptures as Randi? What about any other number of people who's view of the scripture is as apathetic or as negative as Randi's?


This will give him and everyone else something to think about.

If I understood the webcast correctly, Randi is actively ignoring you now.

I suppose it's too much to ask of God to get our attention by positive means?


Cheers
Paul

Because James Randi, a great magician and debunker of scams is going to be blinded by your God? Are you sick?

Paul Bethke's sig line

Luke 21: 31---Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
In context: (skepticsannotatedbible.com, of course)

21:9
And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

21:8
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them

21:9
But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

Nice and vague, don't you think?

21:10
Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom


Alright vague enough. Certainly seen that, but no more than usual.

21:11
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Plagues and pestilences? Not so much actually. SARS, I suppose, and how many people, as a percentage of the world population, did that kill? Earthquakes, yeah, the one in Iran recently, but other than that, not so much. Oh yeah, I ain't seen any fearful signs from heavan either, unless you count the a meteor shower (a fairly regular occurence).

21:12
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

You been to a synagogue (or has Luke, for that matter?) lately? Even been arrested?

21:13
And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

Uh huh.

21:14
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

And certainly don't change it when it doesn't work the first time!

21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Does this count as not resisting? I can throw on more acid if you feel it necessary.

21:16
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Have any of the apostles, or you, been put to death by their families of late? I think not, but feel free to prove me wrong.

21:17
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Have the apostles been hated of late? You, Bethke are hated for different reasons.

21:18
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

Are you, or the apostles, bald, by any chance?

21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

We'll have patience too. How many times has Randi supposed to have been blinded now?

21:20
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Comapssed with armies? Aff. desolation thereof nigh? Neg.

21:21
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Can't god use normal prepositions?

21:22
For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

I'll wait.

21:23
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Cause God Hates women, especially those with babies or young children. But that doesn't give you permission to have an abortion, oh no, just cause god loves to kill babies doesn't give you an excuse. (partially stolen from landoverbaptist)

21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Swords? Swords? See, this is just the sort of thing I would have never expected, given, you know, guns and such. Jeez, can't you just shoot the pregnant women?

21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

They always do that.

21:26
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

I'd like you to try and ask someone out to prom.

21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Not so much.

21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

That's right folks. When these things begin to pass. Not happening, back to your daily routine.

21:29
And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

aha! (http://www.godhatesfigs.com)

21:30
When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

Depending of course on the type of tree. Them tropical trees are not so useful in that regard.

21:31
So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


That's right. When these things come to pass.

[fishbob]

I won't be there either. Please put me on the blinding list too.

Wait - Wait a second - I'm getting a premonition, maybe worth a cool million . . . . . P. . . aul ? i . .z . .. . a. .. .. tw . it.

OK $1.95.

[Charlie in Dayton]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Greetings to ALL out Yonder

Let me wish you ALL an amazing 2004 To coincide with TAM 2004.
I have waited a long time for this opportunity---BUT here we are at last.
In brief the blinding of Randi and others will take place on the Thursday at 9:30 PM. during the scheduled program----
Thursday, Jan. 15 2004
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading...


Paul

Okay, I need to get my affairs in order here, as I'm on PeaBrain's list (how ya doin', Paulie? Long time no type...).

Seeing as I'm unable to attend TAM2 (...sob...someone send me a shot of G6 in all her glory to soothe my soul...), I need to prepare for The Blinding.

I can't remember if Vegas is on Mountain time or Pacific time.

Here in the Eastern Time Zone, do I reach for my dark glasses and cane at 6:30 PM or 7:30 PM?

[Dinonychus]

Originally posted by Charlie in Dayton


Okay, I need to get my affairs in order here, as I'm on PeaBrain's list (how ya doin', Paulie? Long time no type...).

Seeing as I'm unable to attend TAM2 (...sob...someone send me a shot of G6 in all her glory to soothe my soul...), I need to prepare for The Blinding.

I can't remember if Vegas is on Mountain time or Pacific time.

Here in the Eastern Time Zone, do I reach for my dark glasses and cane at 6:30 PM or 7:30 PM?

The captain will be turning on the prepare-for-blnding sign at 12:30AM this Friday morning Eastern Standard Time.

[Dinonychus]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Greetings to ALL out Yonder

Let me wish you ALL an amazing 2004 To coincide with TAM 2004.
I have waited a long time for this opportunity---BUT here we are at last.
In brief the blinding of Randi and others will take place on the Thursday at 9:30 PM. during the scheduled program----
Thursday, Jan. 15 2004
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading.

This will give you ALL something to talk about---By rights the Show should go on.

The Blinding will also give me an introduction into the technical world where I can promote my manifesto.

Look folks there is no such thing as a big miracle or a small miracle they are all the same.
It is just that Randi through his promotion of his beliefs has given me the opportunity to go for the big guy.

I am not trying to remove Randi from the scene –he does a good job.
It is that he must learn that his interpretation of the Scriptures is erroneous---That’s ALL
This will give him and everyone else something to think about.

Cheers
Paul

That's crazy!

And in case anybody hasn't told you, Paul, you are crazy!

[Zep]

I suspect I will also not be able to see when Mr Bethke starts the blinding schtick. But it will probably be because it will be after 2:30am in the morning, when all good suns are long gone to beddies!

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by Dinonychus


That's crazy!

And in case anybody hasn't told you, Paul, you are crazy! He has been told. Believe you me, he has been told.

:crazy:

Hans

[Paul Bethke]

A very good morning to you ALL out yonder.

I got up early this morning to see what had transpired in my absence while I was in the mode of sleep---AND what did I find they have moved me out of my humorous situation and relocated me back to the original Topic. Could it be that they lost their humour?

As many of you know we are only going over old ground---Nothing new.
So what makes this Thursday any different from any other of the past 100 Thursdays?

Beginning with you Lisa
I alt-tabbed out of EveryQuest for this?
Paul, we got your warning last year too. The merriment helped with the pre-show jitters. Thanks.
And another thing before I go back to my game: what is it with all these EVENTS? Event this event that. Shock and surprise us one day by making sense.
cheers,
Lisa

Look Sweetie what we have here is a world gone crazy---Now you may remember from my previous ramblings that I said I will initiate the setting up of the Kingdom of GOD on this earth----Absurd I know BUT never the less that is my goal.

There is no magic wand waving that will achieve this –So I must do it in stages.
It would not suit my purpose to disclose my intentions beforehand---It must be a surprise.
Suffice to say the Randi event will herald the beginning of these stages.

Hi Churchie
So this time is more perfect than the last perfect time. Got it.
But wait!
So, let me see if I have this straight. This is the perfect time, but if it isn't the perfect time, the perfect time will be just as perfect as this perfect time would have been? Assuming, of course, that it had been perfect in the first place, which it will be?

How could anyone argue against that?
So, your predicition that certain events would happen before TAM1 did not occur? What does the Bible call a prophet whose predictions do not come true again?

You are perfectly correct in all you have said EXCEPT on one point.
I did not predict that certain events would take place before TAM1----I was waiting for certain events to take place.

Now that they have taken place---TAM2 is perfect.
I have no influence in these events taking place---They must run their natural coarse.
To have interfered with those events taken place would have suppressed certain actions that have occurred.

What are these events---They are the political strategies of the ruling government.
My intention is to displace the present government and install a new one.
One who is more favourable with the Laws of GOD.

Hello GroundStrength
Watching Upchurch flog the false prophet is one of my favorite things here on the JREF boards. I do so hope t won't come to an end with TAM2.

Not so Sir---TAM2 will be all about this false prophet who proved to be TRUE.
Subsequent discourses should be packed with awe.

Greetings Kullervo
"Flogging the false prophet".
Sounds like a fine new euphemism to me.
But remember, it was a flogging post that got Paul banned for a brief time a while back so don't let's encourage him.
Maybe I'll bring Beth back to join the festivities.

Fame always comes with a beating—If we can endure it we succeed.

Hi Girl 6
THAT was hilarious!
The relocation is also hilarious.

Hello Yahwee
Did you know that the star should have six points. You have lost one---Or are you trying to make a point?

Howdy Biglee
But wait, Paul's a liar, we all know that, yet here he appears to be telling the truth, except he can't tell the truth because he's a liar...and...and...
Damn that Harry Mudd!!!

OK I am only a liar if what I say does not happen on Thursday------Then you can overlook ALL my other statements---agreed?

Good day Julia
Say Paul, I'm dissapointed. I may not be able to make it until Friday. Are you up to making an exception? A last minute blinding? I'm planning on wearing a sleek, sexy black dress that would look great with a cane and dark glasses for accessories.

As is often the case, I think Cleo has so far come up with the best plan.

No exceptions the LIST is sealed. BUT maybe I can arrange for something else at a latter date.
Cleo is being naughty.

Greetings neutrino_cannon
His what now? Hwat about Richard Dawkins, a far higher profile person with the same veiw of the scriptures as Randi? What about any other number of people who's view of the scripture is as apathetic or as negative as Randi's?

With respect to you I will choose to comment on this one point at this time----Because much of what you have said I have dealt with in numerous other posts---
AND my intention for posting here at this time was merely to announce Thursday’s event.

When James is blinded according to my prediction every one else will have to reconsider their view in the light (darkness) of what was done.

Regards ALL
Paul

[Zep]

So are you still saying YOU are going to do the blinding? Or are you just waiting for God to do it for you now that everything is "perfect"?

Will it be messy?

[Cleopatra]

What Towlie has to say about that? I am very much interested.

A friendly suggestion Mr.Bethke in all seriousness: It's better for you to clarify that it's not you that will do the blinding. It's not very wise to post threats even vague ones to people that they are going to be gathered in a specific place a specific time. I hope you get my drift.

[Paul Bethke]

Charlie in Dayton
Okay, I need to get my affairs in order here, as I'm on PeaBrain's list (how ya doin', Paulie? Long time no type...).

Seeing as I'm unable to attend TAM2 (...sob...someone send me a shot of G6 in all her glory to soothe my soul...), I need to prepare for The Blinding.

I can't remember if Vegas is on Mountain time or Pacific time.

Here in the Eastern Time Zone, do I reach for my dark glasses and cane at 6:30 PM or 7:30 PM?

Hi Charlie I am doing fine how goes it your way?
Now you have given me something to think about---I never took the time zone into account.
Well It will have to leave it as said---9:30 PM Eastern Time.
Eastern Time is 4:30am my time so I best check Vegas time in relation to SA Time.
It just means that the event will take place in a different schedule

5:00-7:00 Welcome Reception
7:00-7:45 Intro: James Randi
7:45-8:30 Jamy Ian Swiss
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading
11:00-midnight Rick Maue, Theatrical Séances (optional event)

Thanks for that insight---Keep well



Hi Zep
So are you still saying YOU are going to do the blinding? Or are you just waiting for God to do it for you now that everything is "perfect"?
Will it be messy?
To answer your question:-I will need to quote from the Scriptures :-
Lk 17:6 Jesus replied, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea ’ and it will obey you.

No it will not be messy at all—Perhaps funny in one sense.
That is why I want to inform those who will be blinded not to panic—BUT to stay calm.

It is described quite clearly in a passage of Scripture taken from Acts 13:11--- You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun.” Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand. When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord.

Good afternoon Cleo
What Towlie has to say about that? I am very much interested.

A friendly suggestion Mr.Bethke in all seriousness: It's better for you to clarify that it's not you that will do the blinding. It's not very wise to post threats even vague ones to people that they are going to be gathered in a specific place a specific time. I hope you get my drift.

What I said to Zep applies---I must take the responsibility for what I do---It is my faith and understanding---GOD does nothing without His Prophets.
I can do nothing without GOD AND GOD can do nothing without me.
The prophets of old were ALL held accountable for their actions.

I don’t know how well you know the Scriptures BUT consider what Elijah did in 2 Kings Chapter one.

Anyway as I said to Zep it won’t be messy.

Cheers
Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
You are perfectly correct in all you have said EXCEPT on one point.
I did not predict that certain events would take place before TAM1----I was waiting for certain events to take place.

Now that they have taken place---TAM2 is perfect.
I have no influence in these events taking place---They must run their natural coarse.
To have interfered with those events taken place would have suppressed certain actions that have occurred.

What are these events---They are the political strategies of the ruling government.
My intention is to displace the present government and install a new one.
One who is more favourable with the Laws of GOD. Okay, TAM2 is perfect. All of the signs and portents have occurred and not only will those of us on the list be blind by tomorrow night (Thursday, January 15, 2002), but there will be a new government in place.

Now, hypothetically speaking, if I wake up this Friday morning and I can still read the news that GWB is still the President of the US, that would mean your prophecy didn't come true, wouldn't it? Wouldn't that make you a false prophet?

Just checking, for clarity's sake. I want this to be perfect.

[Lisa]

Paul, I'm preparing to leave for the airport, so I gotta keep this short. Do not call me "sweetie". My husband of 17 years can call me "sweetie". I am not, never was, nor never will be your "sweetie". I'm sure the familiarity might make you look cool to the guys who hang with you in your mom's basement, but that doesn't go over well with adults who don't know each other.
Looking forward to hearing your non-blinding excuses when I get home Monday.
cheers,
Lisa

[Paul Bethke]

Greetings Churchie
Okay, TAM2 is perfect. All of the signs and portents have occurred and not only will those of us on the list be blind by tomorrow night (Thursday, January 15, 2002), but there will be a new government in place.

Now, hypothetically speaking, if I wake up this Friday morning and I can still read the news that GWB is still the President of the US, that would mean your prophecy didn't come true, wouldn't it? Wouldn't that make you a false prophet?
Just checking, for clarity's sake. I want this to be perfect.

Churchie you have surprised me beyond words----I am in South Africa I am not any where near GWB----
Besides this is to do with the coming elections that will take place here in April, May 2004.

My intentions is to influence the elections to the extent that we will be able change the present Government to one that will install the Laws of GOD.

I trust that this explanation may give you a slightly better understanding---If this is not perfectly clear please give me another opportunity to explain.

Cheers
Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Churchie you have surprised me beyond words----I am in South Africa I am not any where near GWB----
Besides this is to do with the coming elections that will take place here in April, May 2004.Ah, my bad. I forgot you weren't in the US, and I made a typo in the date. I meant 2004, not 2002.

Elections and governments aside, let me restate my question:

Now, hypothetically speaking, if I wake up this Friday morning and I can still read the news, that would mean your prophecy didn't come true, wouldn't it? Wouldn't that make you a false prophet?

[Paul Bethke]

Hello again Upchurch

Ah, my bad. I forgot you weren't in the US, and I made a typo in the date. I meant 2004, not 2002.

Elections and governments aside, let me restate my question:

Now, hypothetically speaking, if I wake up this Friday morning and I can still read the news, that would mean your prophecy didn't come true, wouldn't it? Wouldn't that make you a false prophet?

Now there is progress---Like I mentioned the change is not a wand waving exercise, but a calculated strategy.
Once the Randi event takes place I will then begin to implement other events that will prove that the Scriptures are the inspired Word of GOD.
From that time onwards there will be a host of miraculous signs and wonders to bring about the Kingdom of GOD.
The details of these signs and wonders are quite numerous so I will elude from mentioning them now.

ALL said and done—That should be perfectly clear.

Regards
Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
ALL said and done—That should be perfectly clear.Yes, you've said all that, but you haven't answered my question. Hypothetically speaking, if I am not blind at 9:31 pm EST, January 15, 2004, that means that your prediction of the blinding event did not occur. Within this hypothetical situation, that would make you a false prophet.

Yes or no?

[Paul Bethke]

Lisa

Let me start by apologising for calling you Sweetie. Familiarity was not my intentions.

Paul, I'm preparing to leave for the airport, so I gotta keep this short. Do not call me "sweetie". My husband of 17 years can call me "sweetie". I am not, never was, nor never will be your "sweetie". I'm sure the familiarity might make you look cool to the guys who hang with you in your mom's basement, but that doesn't go over well with adults who don't know each other.
Looking forward to hearing your non-blinding excuses when I get home Monday.
cheers,
Lisa

BUT before you go of on a tangent like you did --you should consider your previous post, which perhaps your husband might not appreciate.

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Lisa

Well Sweetie certain things take longer----The timing for the other events that I have planned would not have coincided at that time----BUT now everything is perfect.

Keep Well
Paul


Originally posted by Lisa
Paul, I'm glad all the men in my life don't take as long as you do.
cheers,
Lisa

A simple request would have sufficed ---the basement statement is juvenile.

Regards
Paul

[Jeff Wagg]

Originally posted by Kullervo
"Flogging the false prophet".

Sounds like a fine new euphemism to me.

But remember, it was a flogging post that got Paul banned for a brief time a while back so don't let's encourage him.

Maybe I'll bring Beth back to join the festivities.

Erm..well...that particular prophet actually delivers, so I wouldn't call it 'false."

[Paul Bethke]

Good evening Upchurch

{quote] Yes, you've said all that, but you haven't answered my question. Hypothetically speaking, if I am not blind at 9:31 pm EST, January 15, 2004, that means that your prediction of the blinding event did not occur. Within this hypothetical situation, that would make you a false prophet.

Yes or no?[/quote]

As we ALL know we have reached this point before again and again and I have on each occasion come back to give a final date to a final date. I say this so that you will know that I know that you know that this has been the case for the last 100 Thursdays.

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

Now is that perfectly clear?

Regards
Paul

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Good evening Upchurch

{quote] Yes, you've said all that, but you haven't answered my question. Hypothetically speaking, if I am not blind at 9:31 pm EST, January 15, 2004, that means that your prediction of the blinding event did not occur. Within this hypothetical situation, that would make you a false prophet.

Yes or no?

As we ALL know we have reached this point before again and again and I have on each occasion come back to give a final date to a final date. I say this so that you will know that I know that you know that this has been the case for the last 100 Thursdays.

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

Now is that perfectly clear?

Regards
Paul
cool :cool:

[Jeff Wagg]

One last thing..how will I know if I'm blind, and not that someone has just turned off the lights? Do you consider a blindfolded person to be blind?

Can you describe the blindness? Will it be our eyes that are non-functional, or something between them and the brain, such as the optic nerve?

And most importantly...will it hurt?

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

Now is that perfectly clear?

Regards
Paul

It seems that we have a deal. Now. Who will find us avatars with shades ? A practical way to do it is ask Pyrrho to lent us his avatar for the occasion!!

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jeff Wagg
And most importantly...will it hurt?


From what I have heard my suggestion of punishment ( the Dionysiac orgy) might have hurt more... :cool:

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

Now is that perfectly clear? Perfectly. I just wanted to hear it from your own lips (so to speak).

See ya on Friday! :D

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
It seems that we have a deal. Now. Who will find us avatars with shades ?

:D

[Paul Bethke]

Upchurch

Perfectly. I just wanted to hear it from your own lips (so to speak).

See ya on Friday!

You cannot SEE when you are blind----Blind people cannot SEE----You can hear.

Cheers
Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
You cannot SEE when you are blind----Blind people cannot SEE----You can hear. Oooh. Is that how it works? Okay. Well, we'll find out on Friday, then. ;)

Cheers! :D

[Girl 6]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
As we ALL know we have reached this point before again and again and I have on each occasion come back to give a final date to a final date. I say this so that you will know that I know that you know that this has been the case for the last 100 Thursdays.

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

Now is that perfectly clear?

Regards
Paul

Paul,

Just let me say something that I usually say when I'm in my old 'hood to people like you. GIVE IT UP! YOU ARE SO TIRED WITH THIS F*ING ROUTINE OF YOURS!!!

I've been here since the day you first appeared with this LAME prediction of yours claiming that you will blind us all (well, at least the ones that are on your list--I'm on it, by the way, and I CAN STILL SEE YOUR BEHIND HERE).

I had more respect for you when you disappeared after your last proclamation. You promised to go away if the last blinding event didn't take place. Well, what happened? Here you are yet AGAIN.

You have broken your promise to this community. Do you not have ANY regard for your own words? Do you act like this in real life? Do you make promises that you intend to break? Then, don't even bother parading around here like you have some integrity. YOU HAVE NONE.

Let's get down to it. YOU ARE FAKE!!!

I know you aren't going away because you totally believe your ridiculous assertions. And, the funny thing is that you come up with some jive *ss f*cking excuse for the inability of your LAME god to perform this.

And, don't even bother to explain yourself to me. I've been there and have done that. Accept the fact that you have no skills to carry out any of your weak threats. Furthermore, your god must have forsaken you and left you out here blowing in the wind. You are just a blowhard that definitely needs some hot air to be propped up.

G6

[Luciana]

Someone stole Girl 6's password!!!


It's just that we're not used to seeing you that angry. :D And for the record, I agree with everything you say...

Bethke: take your meds and get out of this chair, ok?

[Jeff Wagg]

Yikes...I am now officially more afraid of Girl 6 than of being blinded.

[Girl 6]

Originally posted by Luciana Nery
Someone stole Girl 6's password!!!


It's just that we're not used to seeing you that angry. :D And for the record, I agree with everything you say...

Bethke: take your meds and get out of this chair, ok?

:roll:

Sorry, he's getting on my bad side. And, believe me when I say this: you don't want to get on my bad side. :D

It's one thing to come on here and claim this on a repeating basis. But, it's another to promise something and not carry it out time and time again. It's tired and I'm not interested in hearing this broken groove any longer.

If I had ANY god-like skills, I'd blow him out of here.

G6

[The Bad Astronomer]

I normally don't read threads started by trolls, but I had to check this one out.

Originally posted by Girl 6
And, believe me when I say this: you don't want to get on my bad side.

I have carefully and studiously examined you from all angles, and you don't have a bad side.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Girl 6

You have broken your promise to this community. Do you not have ANY regard for your own words? Do you act like this in real life? Do you make promises that you intend to break? Then, don't even bother parading around here like you have some integrity. YOU HAVE NONE.

Now what do we have here?
Wisdom have once again been proved correct.

Your opinion is worth as much as your avatar.

Cheers
Paul

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Your opinion is worth as much as your avatar.


Wow, so you agree then? Certainly, if her opinion is nearly as good as her avatar, than it's gold.

[Paul Bethke]

Howdy RussDill
Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Your opinion is worth as much as your avatar.

Wow, so you agree then? Certainly, if her opinion is nearly as good as her avatar, than it's gold.

No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude.
Degrading to say the least. Lacks integrity.
The proverb out of the heart the mouth speaks is certainly true here.
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!

Cheers
Paul

[Mercutio]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
[B
No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude.
Degrading to say the least. Lacks integrity.
The proverb out of the heart the mouth speaks is certainly true here.
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!

Cheers
Paul [/B]You, sir, have overstepped the bounds of civility now. I demand that you apologize to Girl 6 immediately. Failing that (and I do not really expect you to behave honorably), you demonstrate to all the level of your discourse here, and deserve the scorn that will be heaped upon your head.




G6, put this oaf out of your mind...would a nice foot massage help?

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude. Degrading to say the least. Lacks integrity.


eh? So I take it then you are against women wearing shorts or bathing suits....It's really too bad you can't respect someone just because they are creative *and* a woman.


The proverb out of the heart the mouth speaks is certainly true here.
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!


I'm confused, what has she spoken that would not be indictative of a good heart?

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude.
Degrading to say the least. Lacks integrity.
The proverb out of the heart the mouth speaks is certainly true here.
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!

Cheers
Paul


You didn't exactly express your opinion about Girl 6's avatar but you compared her opinion with an image. Tell me that you don't insignuate that somebody here tries to deprive you of the right to express your opinion.

After all, we have been hearing you in peace threatening some of us...


Also G6 raised some issues here regarding your integrity as a poster based on facts. You didn't address that. It must be her avatar that has blinded you.

[jj]

Ok, Paul, who did you bribe to hit the light switch? :D

You do realize, that with the number of ironic individuals here, the chance that the lights do NOT go out at 9:30 is somewhere between slim and none, don't you?

So, you might be right after all, only not in any way you imaged, just in a mundane, secular fashion wherein the people you've been threatening for years continue to react in an ironic fashion.

[Girl 6]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude.
Degrading to say the least. Lacks integrity.
The proverb out of the heart the mouth speaks is certainly true here.
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!

Cheers
Paul

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

:(

G6

[GroundStrength]

Hello GroundStrength

quote:

Watching Upchurch flog the false prophet is one of my favorite things here on the JREF boards. I do so hope t won't come to an end with TAM2.


Not so Sir---TAM2 will be all about this false prophet who proved to be TRUE.
Subsequent discourses should be packed with awe.

I'll tell you what big boy IF you successfully supernaturally blind those at TAM II...

I WILL KISS YOUR @SS AS LONG AS YOU STAY BENT OVER!!!

Politely,
Scott

[jj]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Yes, you've said all that, but you haven't answered my question. Hypothetically speaking, if I am not blind at 9:31 pm EST, January 15, 2004, that means that your prediction of the blinding event did not occur. Within this hypothetical situation, that would make you a false prophet.

Yes or no?

Whoa, whoa, what does Revelation say about any new prophecy? Hold on here!

[jj]

Originally posted by Girl 6


Paul,

Just let me say something that I usually say when I'm in my old 'hood to people like you. GIVE IT UP! YOU ARE SO TIRED WITH THIS F*ING ROUTINE OF YOURS!!!

(middle of excellent rant excised for brevity)

And, don't even bother to explain yourself to me. I've been there and have done that. Accept the fact that you have no skills to carry out any of your weak threats. Furthermore, your god must have forsaken you and left you out here blowing in the wind. You are just a blowhard that definitely needs some hot air to be propped up.

G6

AMEN, sister!

Has he been around any spoiled rye bread lately?

[jj]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Howdy RussDill




No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude.
Degrading to say the least. Lacks integrity.
The proverb out of the heart the mouth speaks is certainly true here.
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!

Cheers
Paul

You, who have emitted false prophecy and threats of blinding on numerous occasions, have the guts to say of someone else "Lacks integrity"?

Paul, thou art the very avatar of hypocracy.

Bethke blinding thread.
More hot air than Bikini
During the old tests.

(edited for typokinesis)

[Nyarlathotep]

I propose a series of sporting events between Mr. Bethke and Lifegazer, we could call it "Battle of the Self Deluded Wannabe Messiahs" and market it on Pay per view. While I think about it, I think we could throw Iacchus in there too, if only for a bit of variety. He doesn't quite have the Messiah complex of the other two but it seems to be lurking at the edges of his reasoning and he is every bit as self deluded.

I don't call people woo-woo's merely because they hold paranormal beliefs, but reading this thread has convinced me that if anyone deserves to be called a woo-woo, it is Paul Bethke.

[Suezoled]

I'm actually willing to bet that Paul Bethke speaks words of holy ridicule but falls asleep dreaming of that flesh whom any man (and a few women) would sin over; Girl 6. As he cannot hold her, he holds himself, and is derisive about his loss.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Suezoled
I'm actually willing to bet that Paul Bethke speaks words of holy ridicule but falls asleep dreaming of that flesh whom any man (and a few women) would sin over; Girl 6. As he cannot hold her, he holds himself, and is derisive about his loss.

Well, if he keeps holding himself that way HE will be the one going blind before too long.

[xouper]

jj: ... hypocracy ...The coining of new words, whether intentional or not, is one of the sniftiest features of internet forums. I especially like jj's word.

hypocracy - noun. 1. a less than normal government. [from the Greek hupo-, under, beneath and the Greek -krati, strength, power.]

Which leads to someone who is a:

hypocrat - noun. 1. an official of a hypocracy. 2. a less than normal government official.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by xouper
The coining of new words, whether intentional or not, is one of the sniftiest features of internet forums. I especially like jj's word.

hypocracy - noun. 1. a less than normal government. [from the Greek hupo-, under, beneath and the Greek -krati, strength, power.]

Which leads to someone who is a:

hypocrat - noun. 1. an official of a hypocracy. 2. a less than normal government official.

:D :D :D

You are a pervert.

[jj]

Originally posted by xouper
The coining of new words, whether intentional or not, is one of the sniftiest features of internet forums. I especially like jj's word.

hypocracy - noun. 1. a less than normal government. [from the Greek hupo-, under, beneath and the Greek -krati, strength, power.]

Which leads to someone who is a:

hypocrat - noun. 1. an official of a hypocracy. 2. a less than normal government official.

Ok, ok, ok, so tell me, how is it properly spelled? Telling a dyslexic that they misspelled something is sever a nurprise.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
No I do not agree---It is crude—horribly crude.
Degrading to say the least. It's called "art", Paul. Not all pictures of women's bodies are necessarily pornography or dirty.
Lacks integrity.What do you know of integrity, Paul? You have lied time and again on this forum and have neither the integrity to stop or to admit to it when you've been caught. I wonder if you will have integrity at 9:31 EST tomorrow?
BUT that is my opinion and a good one at that!Your opinion is worth about as much as your integrity and honesty.

That and $20 would buy you a cup of coffee.

Jeers

[xouper]

jj: Ok, ok, ok, so tell me, how is it properly spelled? Telling a dyslexic that they misspelled something is sever a nurprise.JJ, I am not complaining, but perhaps I could have made that more clear? :)

As we all know (or should know) it's generally considered bad form to comment about another's spellign on a forum. Rather, I prefer to assume you knew the proper spelling and I was just enjoying the serendipity.


hypocrisy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hypocrisy)

[jj]

Originally posted by xouper
JJ, I am not complaining, but perhaps I could have made that more clear? :)

It looked more like a gentle ribbing than a complaint, and it DOES create an interesting greek-based word by accident.

As we all know (or should know) it's generally considered bad form to comment about another's spellign on a forum. Rather, I prefer to assume you knew the proper spelling and I was just enjoying the serendipity.

Um, I wasn't objecting. I was, rather, simply being dyslexic. I've only been doing that for 50 years now. :)


hypocrisy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hypocrisy)

Ahh, yes. Thanks.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Upchurch
again on this forum and have neither the integrity to stop or to admit to it when you've been caught. I wonder if you will have integrity at 9:31 EST tomorrow?


No he won't. I am willing to make a wager that come 9:31 EST tomorrow he will merely claim that the timing was not, in fact, perfect and that it has been put off until some other time.

[Pirate_Lad]

Bethke,

You're a boring man with a worn-down shtick.

That's something I can tolerate, as it's not as uncommon as you may think.

But by insulting one of the most well-respected members of the forum (G6), you have managed to slowly ooze through the bottom of the barrel and through the topsoil, placing yourself squarely within the fossilized remains of dinosaur crap.

Many of the people here have too much good taste & manners to respond to your taunts. I am under no such compunction.

So at this point, please allow me to urge you in a most heartfelt manner to drink everything under your sink. You are a liar, an idiot, and an oxygen thief. Whatever freakish combination of events transpired to allow your birth is all the evidence needed to disprove a benevolent god.

Please, go away. We're all very tired of you.

[Suezoled]

I think Pirate Lad is feeling a touch antagonistic towards some other forum members. I dunno why; I just get that feeling.

[Pirate_Lad]

Originally posted by Suezoled
I think Pirate Lad is feeling a touch antagonistic towards some other forum members. I dunno why; I just get that feeling.

Heeeeey, you should apply for the million!

:D

[Zep]

Originally posted by xouper
The coining of new words, whether intentional or not, is one of the sniftiest features of internet forums. I especially like jj's word.

hypocracy - noun. 1. a less than normal government. [from the Greek hupo-, under, beneath and the Greek -krati, strength, power.]

Which leads to someone who is a:

hypocrat - noun. 1. an official of a hypocracy. 2. a less than normal government official. Very clever, sir, this is a keeper. And a round of applause to jj too, for (inadvertently) giving birth to the idea.

That's why English grows...

[Charlie in Dayton]

Originally posted by Dinonychus
The captain will be turning on the prepare-for-blnding sign at 12:30AM this Friday morning Eastern Standard Time.

D@mn...Paul, can ya delay mine for about ten minutes? I got this hot auction goin' on eBay and I need to get that last sniper's bid in...:D

[Charlie in Dayton]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Charlie in Dayton
Hi Charlie I am doing fine how goes it your way?
Now you have given me something to think about---I never took the time zone into account.
Well It will have to leave it as said---9:30 PM Eastern Time.
Eastern Time is 4:30am my time so I best check Vegas time in relation to SA Time.
It just means that the event will take place in a different schedule

5:00-7:00 Welcome Reception
7:00-7:45 Intro: James Randi
7:45-8:30 Jamy Ian Swiss
8:30-10:00 Ian Rowland, Cold Reading
11:00-midnight Rick Maue, Theatrical Séances (optional event)

Thanks for that insight---Keep well



PB, you ol' theological skank, you...

I can see you having trouble with the concept of time zones (h3ll's b3ll's, I can see you having trouble with the concept of telling time period), but I draw the line at god having trouble figuring out how to invalidate everyone's optic nerve permissions simultaneously when we're spread out all over the world...

Sure you're not just the teensiest bit concerned about the fact that you're so full of it, it's running out your ears and really making a mess of your shirt?

[MRC_Hans]

I dunno, I consider Paul Bethke quite useful. I'm a person who likes to think the best of people, and from time to time, I encounter somebody on the internet, and very occasionally in real life, where I think: Hey, what's wrong here? Surely nobody can be THAT nuts and still write or speak coherently? .... And then I think of Paul and remember: Sure they can!

Hans

[Paul Bethke]

GOOD morning ALL

Quite some varied response-----Normally I would respond to you ALL BUT I do not have the time.
SEEING that this will be the LAST discussion of these sorts it is not necessary.

One thing is for sure I have learned a lot about people on this forum, which I will take into account for the future.

As I said it is 9:30 Eastern Time.

Fare Ye Well-----

Paul

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by jj


AMEN, sister!

Has he been around any spoiled rye bread lately?
Amen, too. Cogito ergot sum
;/ )}
T. Leary

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Quite some varied response-----Normally I would respond to you ALL BUT I do not have the time.
SEEING that this will be the LAST discussion of these sorts it is not necessary.Nervous, Paul? Funny, I'm not in the least.

But then, if I'm wrong, all I loose is my sight. If you're wrong, you loose your faith.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
SEEING that this will be the LAST discussion of these sorts it is not necessary.
Come on, Paul, we've heard you make this promise before (always preceding a failure). Even if blinding people is not within your power, keeping your promises should be.

[Paul Bethke]

Hi Churchie
Nervous, Paul? Funny, I'm not in the least.

But then, if I'm wrong, all I loose is my sight. If you're wrong, you loose your faith.

Nervous---No--excited yes.
Churchie ole man I can never loose my faith—Because if you understood what faith is, you will understand that to get to where I am one must go through many trials, these I have passed.

Hypothetically if nothing were to happen---The Scriptures would be false.
I would like Job maintain my integrity---That is keep the Commandments—that is faith.

BTW you will not loose your sight---Because it will only be temporary-----BUT you will gain something that could never have come through any other avenue.

Don’t panic—Stay calm.

Regards
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Tricky
Come on, Paul, we've heard you make this promise before (always preceding a failure). Even if blinding people is not within your power, keeping your promises should be.

Sure I have made these statements before---BUT look at the coverage I have----There is no one on the Forum who has not heard them.

Like David and Goliath. David became famous for slaying Goliath.
I will slay so to speak the Goliath of Atheism---
It will be very interesting to hear how they try and explain what has happened.

Cheers
Paul

[Suezoled]

[walks around with vendor hat on] Cigars! Cigarettes! Old fashion wooden mallets to boff people with! Cigars! $1 each! Cigarettes!..... $5 for a pack! Mallets are rentals at $2 a wack!

[RussDill]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

I will slay so to speak the Goliath of Atheism---
It will be very interesting to hear how they try and explain what has happened.


What an exciting day, I'll try not to drive around that time.

[Suezoled]

HEY! How come Upchurch can avoid going to TAM and STILL be chosen as someone who's gonna be blinded? :(

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Tricky
Sure I have made these statements before---BUT look at the coverage I have----There is no one on the Forum who has not heard them.

So that's what this is all about. You want to make sure that everyone here is aware that you are insane. Well, you've certainly succeeded there. Congratulations.

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Like David and Goliath. David became famous for slaying Goliath.
I will slay so to speak the Goliath of Atheism---
It will be very interesting to hear how they try and explain what has happened.
It will be more likely that you will have to explain why you failed. Except that you promised you wouldn't discuss this again after tonight. Of course, you are not capable of keeping your promise, so I expect we will hear from you again. After all, there may be new posters here who are not yet aware of your insanity. You must enlighten them!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Nervous---No--excited yes.
Churchie ole man I can never loose my faith—Because if you understood what faith is, you will understand that to get to where I am one must go through many trials, these I have passed.I understand what faith is. It's belief despite evidence to the contrary. Like tonight, when your prediction fails once again, you won't believe yourself to be a false prophet, even though above you admited that is what you would be if none of us were blinded. Faith is denial of what is plain to see.
Hypothetically if nothing were to happen---The Scriptures would be false.
I would like Job maintain my integrity---That is keep the Commandments—that is faith.You have no integrety, Paul. You lie, cover up, back peddle, and make false promises with the best of them.
BTW you will not loose your sight---Because it will only be temporary-----BUT you will gain something that could never have come through any other avenue.You're right about one thing. I won't loose my sight. Because you, Paul, are a false prophet who is trying to use religion to extort money.
Don’t panic—Stay calm.I don't feel panic. I feel pity. :nope:

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Suezoled
HEY! How come Upchurch can avoid going to TAM and STILL be chosen as someone who's gonna be blinded? :( 'cause I'm just that much of a pain in the rear.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

As we ALL know we have reached this point before again and again and I have on each occasion come back to give a final date to a final date. I say this so that you will know that I know that you know that this has been the case for the last 100 Thursdays.

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

Now is that perfectly clear?

Regards
Paul [/B]

To: Paul Bethke

You are a very stupid person.

[ca3799]

Since I'm new to the forum, I probably cannot be added to this years blinding list (I believe the list is closed for this year). I would, however, like to be added to next years list.

So to ensure my inclusion, I must ask: Paul, shouldn't you be out, uh, applying the missionary position to someone, instead of goofing off with folks here.

TIA for my inclusion!!

[Suezoled]

Originally posted by Upchurch
'cause I'm just that much of a pain in the rear.

Okay, then I wanna be a pain in the rear like Upchurch!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Suezoled

Okay, then I wanna be a pain in the rear like Upchurch! Practice, practice, practice.

[jj]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey

Amen, too. Cogito ergot sum
;/ )}
T. Leary
:dl:

Yes, B. Leary, Paul, B. Leary.

[jj]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Tricky


Sure I have made these statements before---BUT look at the coverage I have----There is no one on the Forum who has not heard them.


I haven't "heard" a one, Paul, I've read them.


Like David and Goliath. David became famous for slaying Goliath.
I will slay so to speak the Goliath of Atheism---
It will be very interesting to hear how they try and explain what has happened.

Cheers
Paul

Let's see: Goliath: Large, David: Small.
Christian Churches: Large, JREF: Small.

Careful, careful, lest thou be cast as the philistine!

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Dear Cleo
Your prayer is of no importance because there is no god that will hear you. Because I am the ONLY ONE who can pray---That is communicate with the GOD of Israel—AND He is the ONLY GOD.
Regards
Paul

Could you please ask him to stop all the violence in the "holy" land then?

Thanks.

[tamiO]

I am on the blinding list and thought I should get clear on the time as the hour draws near. Is this 9:30 pm Mountain Time? 10:30 central?

Do I have time to watch a movie and south park?

[Zep]

Tami,

Paul seems to be quite clear: 9:30pm EASTERN US time is his predicted event time. That makes it 7:30pm in Las Vegas, assuming LV is on Mountain Time. HOWEVER, my recall is that LV stays on Pacific time so that it is in sync with Los Angeles. So this would make the "blinding time" be at 6:30 pm in Las Vegas. Won't you all still be at dinner then?

But never fear. God will sort this out when the time comes! But don't tell Paul, OK? :)

[geni]

What is that in gmt (I've lost my timezone map again)?

[Zep]

This l'il site (http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/timer.pl) has a clock that shows all, and is halfway reliable.

[geni]

6am? Well I'm not on the list but I wont be able to see anything at that time because with any luck I will be asleep.

[Zep]

OK, it's now (looks at clock) Jan. 15, 09:31:49 PM EST according to US Naval Observatory Master Clock Time.

Paul, that means the deadline has passed. Do you agree?

OK, all those "blinded" in any way, please raise your hands so we can count you. All those NOT "blinded" in any way, please sign in here and let us know you are still OK.

Paul, don't go away, please. I'll be asking questions...

[Zep]

More than 35 minutes since, Paul. No shouting and screams yet...

[Upchurch]

I guess we can all see the truth now.

[Zep]

Was there any blaring of trumpets or anything at TAM2?

[Charlie in Dayton]

neutrino_cannon has challenged PeaBrain to meeting of the minds in Flame Wars...

Check out the action here at "Myopia, God, and recurrent nonevents" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33904).

...oh, by the way, Paul, I can still see...anyone want to take bets on whether I won't be able to after 12:31 AM EST 16 Jan 2004 (which comes to 9:31 PM in Vegas)?

...[crickets chirping]...

...didn't think so...:D

[Charlie in Dayton]

The crickets lost their bet, and so did you, PB...:D

...nyaah nyah nyah nyaah nyah...I can still see, and Paul's a lame-o excuse for a prophet of doom...nyaah nyah nyah nyaah nyah...:D

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Tricky


Sure I have made these statements before---BUT look at the coverage I have----There is no one on the Forum who has not heard them.

Like David and Goliath. David became famous for slaying Goliath.
I will slay so to speak the Goliath of Atheism---
It will be very interesting to hear how they try and explain what has happened.

Cheers
Paul



it migt have been interesting to hear the explanaions for what happened, only nothing did happen. I a posting from my room at TAM, Rowlands talk came and went without anyone even geting piece of dust in their eye.




So now what do you say, Bethke

[Hotfoot]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep




it migt have been interesting to hear the explanaions for what happened, only nothing did happen. I a posting from my room at TAM, Rowlands talk came and went without anyone even geting piece of dust in their eye.




So now what do you say, Bethke Liar! Deciever! Bringer of falsehoods! The photographs of the blinding will soon be developed! The anguished cries of the blinded resonated through the city of sin. Even now, the shocked skepchicks are holding an emergency prayer meeting which is being broadcast live on the internet (PM me for details, I accept all major credit cards, paypal, and checks or money order). Randi has yet made no comment, but once the reality of the situation had set in, everyone was asked to leave the conference hall. Undoubtedly, tomorrow will see a drastic change in the conference.

[Dinonychus]

This is Dino, live at TAM2 where it is now 11:53pm local time and everyone here is doing fine. The skepchick slumber party started about 90 minutes ago and everyne here laughed when the clock struck 6:30pm local time and not a single person was blinded here in Las Vegas unless it was for a good reason. Being on Bethke's blinding list isn't a good reason.



In case anybody is wondering, Hal still does have a sense of humor. Bad thng is he still has his bad puns.

I hate Web TV.

[Cleopatra]

Dino.

Tell them to pick up the phone !@#$%^

I have been calling Renata, Moe Faux, Girl 6 and none of them answers their phone!!!!


Kisses to everybody :)

[Zep]

If only I had made a bet... If ONLY I had made a bet...

[Checkmite]

I'm blind, and I'm not even on the list. I was forced to write this post using a speech-to-text application.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Dinonychus
This is Dino, live at TAM2 where it is now 11:53pm local time and everyone here is doing fine. The skepchick slumber party started about 90 minutes ago and everyne here laughed when the clock struck 6:30pm local time and not a single person was blinded here in Las Vegas unless it was for a good reason. Being on Bethke's blinding list isn't a good reason.



In case anybody is wondering, Hal still does have a sense of humor. Bad thng is he still has his bad puns.

I hate Web TV.

OK. I do not care about PB anymore!

I, and I am sure that I am not the only one, just want to hear some more details about this Skeptchick Slumber Party.

:p