England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims

[boyntonstu]

England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims, the Nobel laureate and political activist Wole Soyinka has said in an interview in which he also accused Britain of allowing the existence of "indoctrination schools".

His extraordinary attack on what he views as Britain's part in fuelling Islamist terrorism was published on the US news and opinion website The Daily Beast. It was coupled with his assertion that the 1989 fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini against Salman Rushdie meant that the assumption of power over life and death had passed "to every ¬inconsequential Muslim in the world".

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/feb/02/soyinka-england-cesspit-islamists

Has there ever been a case where a book author was sentenced to death by a Priest, Minister, or Rabbi?

Edited breach of Rule 4; please ensure you properly cite & quote referenced material.

[Thunder]

Has there ever been a case where a book author was sentenced to death by a Priest, Minister, or Rabbi?

yes, actually.

this guy:

http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/3855bfbc71487f14

[garethdjb]

Giordano Bruno? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno#Last_years_of_wandering.2C_1585.E2. 80.931592)

[ddt]

Has there ever been a case where a book author was sentenced to death by a Priest, Minister, or Rabbi?

Jan Hus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus)
Martin Luther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther) (*)
Michael Servetus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus)

Any more stupid questions?

(*) I'm aware Luther was never put to death for his heresy. Neither was Rushdie.

ETA: not quite condemned to death, but the OP might also look at the fatwa cherem issued against Baruch Spinoza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza).

[dudalb]

yes, actually.

this guy:

http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/3855bfbc71487f14

The Sandhedrin condemned Jesus to death, but had no legal authority to pass sentence, they had to go to the Roman Procurator for that.

[boyntonstu]

The Sandhedrin condemned Jesus to death, but had no legal authority to pass sentence, they had to go to the Roman Procurator for that.


Source?

AFAIK Jesus was not a historical figure.

What was the name of the book 'Jesus' supposedly authored?

[Thunder]

The Sandhedrin condemned Jesus to death, but had no legal authority to pass sentence, they had to go to the Roman Procurator for that.

oh....now you're just splitting hairs. he was condemned to death by the heads of the people of Judea.

Jesus is much a historical figure as Moses, Abraham, Judah the Maccabee, and King Herod.

[lionking]

oh....now you're just splitting hairs. he was condemned to death by the heads of the people of Judea.

Jesus is much a historical figure as Moses, Abraham, Judah the Maccabee, and King Herod.
Whoa, are you serious here? Herod was an historical figure without doubt. Not the others, including Jesus.

Sorry about the derail.

[WildCat]

Whoa, are you serious here? Herod was an historical figure without doubt. Not the others, including Jesus.

Sorry about the derail.
Exactly, there is an incredible amount of documentation for Herod as well as many ruins built during his reign.

[Thunder]

Exactly, there is an incredible amount of documentation for Herod as well as many ruins built during his reign.

alright, lets get back to the OP..shall we?

Islam bad....Christianity ok...but Judaism good!!!

damn dirty Goys!!

[Damien Evans]

yes, actually.

this guy:

http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/3855bfbc71487f14

If he even existed, he didn't write the book.

[Damien Evans]

Exactly, there is an incredible amount of documentation for Herod as well as many ruins built during his reign.

Including one that most of the world would know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wailing_Wall

[Skeptic]

England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims, the Nobel laureate and political activist Wole Soyinka has said in an interview in which he also accused Britain of allowing the existence of "indoctrination schools".

For all I know that might be true, but just because a Nobel laureate says something doesn't mean it's true. That's not even true in their field of expertise, literature in this case, and certainly not outside their field.

[Arcade22]

Check out my signature! That's the only way it can end when you let hundreds of thousands of Arabs, Africans and Muslims inside Sweden!

[Redtail]

Check out my signature! That's the only way it can end when you let hundreds of thousands of Arabs, Africans and Muslims inside Sweden!

How many get recruited?

[Arcade22]

How many get recruited?

Too *********** many... (http://www.sr.se/ekot/artikel.asp?artikel=3186817)

[Redtail]

Too *********** many... (http://www.sr.se/ekot/artikel.asp?artikel=3186817)
So out of "hundreds of thousands" SAPO is talking about a hundred?

[Arcade22]

So out of "hundreds of thousands" SAPO is talking about a hundred?

One is still one too many.

[Redtail]

One is still one too many.

Right... So condemn hundreds of thousands because of the actions of a hundred... What do the other hundreds of thousands do?

[quadraginta]

Exactly, there is an incredible amount of documentation for Herod as well as many ruins built during his reign.


I've never understood this propensity the ancients had for building ruins.

Doesn't seem very productive,

... or comfortable.

[richardm]

I've never understood this propensity the ancients had for building ruins.


The concept of the roof wasn't invented until about 1100 AD, IIRC.

[quadraginta]

The concept of the roof wasn't invented until about 1100 AD, IIRC.


Ah! That would explain it. Why bother building new stuff if the weather's just gonna screw it up anyway.

Thanks.

[Beerina]

Jan Hus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus)
Martin Luther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther) (*)
Michael Servetus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus)

Any more stupid questions?

(*) I'm aware Luther was never put to death for his heresy. Neither was Rushdie.

It wasn't for lack of trying. And at least one, maybe two were indeed killed. One was a translator (?) of Satanic Verses, at a news conference yet. So you comment is somewhat disingenuous. And several major bookstore chains refused to carry the book for fear of terrorist attacks. Mission accomplished. :rolleyes:

[HansMustermann]

Has there ever been a case where a book author was sentenced to death by a Priest, Minister, or Rabbi?

Before I answer that, let's go into what a fatwa _is_. (Although that kinda gets in the way of a good willy-waving.;))

A fatwa has no official legal power even in Iran or Saudi Arabia, and is technically binding only to the person who issued it. Well, to go into deeper detail, in Sunni Islam it's non-binding, in Shia Islam it could be binding for basically the proclaimer's congregation and non-binding for everyone else. But even countries with Sharia courts, tend to use codified laws based on the Quran, and not go by whatever fatwa some obscure Imam proclaimed this week.

Technically any scholar can issue a fatwa, though if nobody takes you seriously to start with, well, they're not going to follow your fatwa either.

Most fatwa also only deal with matters of faith.

Basically is at its heart no different from when a Rabbi argues whether using a shabbes goy to turn on your lights on Sabbath is ok or still against the spirit of the Law. Or as a real example, when one particular Rabbi argued that to get vaccinated is a religious duty and to not vaccinate is a sin ( http://www.prisonplanet.com/rabbi-not-to-vaccinate-is-a-sin.html ), if he were to proclaim that in front of his congregation as his official religious position, that would be a 100% equivalent of a Muslim fatwa. Or when the Pope argues against condoms based on his interpretation of the Onan incident. You can follow his view if you agree, and nobody will come burn you at the stake if you simply ignore his opinion. That's 100% equivalent to a fatwa.

I.e., to get back to the topic and the question: that's nothing like a legal sentence to death.

It's more like when the occasional deranged minister prays for Obama's death or the death of some abortion doctor. Or when the occasional rabbi argues that it's ok to kill civillians in Palestine.

So in that aspect, yes, there are _plenty_ of priests, and ministers, and rabbis, and probably even shamen, druids, and witches, which commit the equivalent of that fatwa every year.

[dudalb]

Source?

AFAIK Jesus was not a historical figure.

What was the name of the book 'Jesus' supposedly authored?


Most Historians disagree with you.
The Consensus is that Jesus did exist as a historical personage.
But as to whether he was the Son Of God and had supernatural powers...that is a different question.

[Arcade22]

Right... So condemn hundreds of thousands because of the actions of a hundred... What do the other hundreds of thousands do?

Where did i condemn all Muslims in Sweden?

[joobz]

A sense of alienation and persecution is a powerful motivator for extremism. By making arguments equating muslims with cesspits, all you do is reinforce the environment that breeds extremists.

[ddt]

It wasn't for lack of trying. And at least one, maybe two were indeed killed. One was a translator (?) of Satanic Verses, at a news conference yet. So you comment is somewhat disingenuous. And several major bookstore chains refused to carry the book for fear of terrorist attacks. Mission accomplished. :rolleyes:

My footnote was only there because Luther wasn't actually killed - though the Pope outlawed him and permitted anyone to kill him without legal consequence. I would be very surprised if the above you write about Rushdie wouldn't exactly also hold for Luther.

[carlvs]

Where did i condemn all Muslims in Sweden?

I don't know ...maybe your INITIAL post in this thread :(:

Check out my signature! That's the only way it can end when you let hundreds of thousands of Arabs, Africans and Muslims inside Sweden!

[Redtail]

I don't know ...maybe your INITIAL post in this thread :(:

Pretty much...

[Arcade22]

I don't know ...maybe your INITIAL post in this thread :(:

Pretty much...

Perhaps you see the difference in condemning the Swedish state for letting them in and condemning the Muslims who live in Sweden?

[funk de fino]

Perhaps you see the difference in condemning the Swedish state for letting them in and condemning the Muslims who live in Sweden?

You know fine well that does make sense.

[Redtail]

Perhaps you see the difference in condemning the Swedish state for letting them in and condemning the Muslims who live in Sweden?

Wait... What?

[Mojo]

England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims


Nonsense.

I'm off down the pub, Insha'Allah.

[MarkCorrigan]

Perhaps you see the difference in condemning the Swedish state for letting them in and condemning the Muslims who live in Sweden?

Not really, no.

Yes, you're saying that the Swedish government shouldn't have "let them in", but this implies that for a majority, or more likely all, there is something so inately wrong with them that they are liable to become radical militants.