How's the Tea Bag Convention Going?

[Foolmewunz]

Now that the New Right has commenced eating its own young and cannibalizing its senior spokespersons, how's it going in Nashville? Is anyone here insane enough to be attending?(Be still my heart.)

We don't get a lot of "pop" news (Fox) over here, so all I've seen is a couple of articles from pinko sources like MSNBC and CNN, and all I can gather is that several people don't like the organizer because he's trying to make money off of Joe the Plumber, and Sarah's going to give her fee to candidates "from the movement"(whatever that is) at "sometime in the future" (whenever that is).

Oh, and I saw a BBC article a few days ago where one of the subheads said that they were going to "ban" all but favorable journalists, but that proved to be a quote from a blogger and the real issue seems to be that the organizers don't have enough space for all the press who've expressed interest. Does anyone have a better "read" on that topic? I can't find anything else on the subject.

Do we even have any regulars here from Nashville?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I only heard about Palin's pay issue, which sounds really weird.

[Foolmewunz]

Not much of a news event, evidently. One of the organizers is claiming 500 turned up, but others have said as little as 300 and as much as 600.

Whichever number, I don't think we're going to be seeing conservatives argue like the DC demonstrations that there were a trillion people there.

They barely covered Sarah's speaker's fees, and certainly lost the guy a bundle of money unless he had big donations from people who didn't show. I saw one article that said that some of the disaffected original Teaparty members who split the group were going to have a counter press conference, but I can't see that they got any coverage, either.

The rabble were fun. This group - trying to merge itself into the GOP - is just plain dull.

[Dancing David]

Chai latte sales are high in Nashville.

[King of the Americas]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=166664

[Thunder]

I heard Palin is calling for a new revolution. And she said "freedom" is given to us by God.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I heard Palin is calling for a new revolution. And she said "freedom" is given to us by God.

Wow... quoting the Declaration of Independence. What a @#$%ing psycho, eh?

[Thunder]

Wow... quoting the Declaration of Independence. What a @#$%ing psycho, eh?

please cite the exact quote where the Declaration of Independence says that "Freedom is given to us by God".

[Sword_Of_Truth]

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

[ANTPogo]

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The "Creator" of the men who wrote the Declaration isn't anywhere close to Palin's God.

[Thunder]

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

isn't it "inalienable rights"?

i don't see the word "freedom" in there. do you?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

isn't it "inalienable rights"?

i don't see the word "freedom" in there. do you?

And here we go with the semantic back-pedalling and hair-splitting.

You burned yourself, Parky. Just admit it and move on.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The "Creator" of the men who wrote the Declaration isn't anywhere close to Palin's God.

Did she stop her speech to define "God" or did she just say "God" and move on?

[Thunder]

And here we go with the semantic back-pedalling and hair-splitting.

You burned yourself, Parky. Just admit it and move on.

you have some homework to do in the other thread, my friend.

[ANTPogo]

Did she stop her speech to define "God" or did she just say "God" and move on?

Considering she apparently had to write notes on her hand to remind her to talk about "tax cuts" and "lift American spirits" at a Tea Party convention pre-approved Q&A session, I seriously doubt she could define "God".

In other words, I don't believe she was consciously attempting to reference the Declaration there, but instead was just spewing her usual talking points about "God" and "freedom".

[FarmallMTA]

The tea party is going just fine, thanks. See these developments:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34923900/

And gnash your liberal dentures.

[Dancing David]

And here we go with the semantic back-pedalling and hair-splitting.

You burned yourself, Parky. Just admit it and move on.

I don't see god or freedom.

[Cleon]

The tea party is going just fine, thanks. See these developments:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34923900/

And gnash your liberal dentures.

You're crediting Brown's win to the tea baggers?

Huh. I credit the Democrats.

[Thunder]

The tea party is going just fine, thanks. See these developments:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34923900/

And gnash your liberal dentures.

Massholes vote for Brown, because the Dem stupidly says that Curt Schilling is a Yankees fan, and you see that as a crushing defeat?

i see it more as evidence of the stupidity of voters in MA.

[FarmallMTA]

You're crediting Brown's win to the tea baggers?

Huh. I credit the Democrats.

Uh, huh. Perhaps in your world negativity gets the credit. In the Tea Party world, positivity and hope for real change that we can believe in guides the movement.

[quixotecoyote]

I don't see god or freedom.

Now let's be fair, I'm sure when Sot said "quoting the DoI" he really meant "paraphrasing the DoI in such a way that the meaning is changed from rhetorical deist flourish to fundamentalist crazy talk"

[Thunder]

as long as the Democrat who runs against Brown gets his Yankee fans straight, we will win back the seat in 2016.

[Cleon]

Uh, huh. Perhaps in your world negativity gets the credit. In the Tea Party world, positivity and hope for real change that we can believe in guides the movement.

And the fact that the Democrats ran a complete non-campaign in which their clueless candidate showed open contempt for her electorate had nothing to do with it. Ya. :rolleyes:

[BenBurch]

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Rights are one thing, but freedom isn't GIVEN to anybody. Ever. It has to be earned anew with each and every generation. If you ever get to where you take freedom for granted, you are likely already in chains.

[Thunder]

And the fact that the Democrats ran a complete non-campaign in which their clueless candidate showed open contempt for her electorate had nothing to do with it. Ya. :rolleyes:

no way man.

The election of Scott Brown was a referendum by the American people, against Obama-Commy-Care, death panels, and the Bolshevization of America!!!!!

:D

[Cleon]

Hey FarmallMTA...Since, in the recent past, you've made such an issue out of Obama's use of teleprompters, do you have any comment about Sarah Palin's need to keep talking points written on her hand (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html)?

[JoeTheJuggler]

The tea party is going just fine, thanks. See these developments:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34923900/

And gnash your liberal dentures.

Did you miss that word "Convention"?

Maybe that's why you tried to use "going" to mean "doing".

[JoeTheJuggler]

Hey FarmallMTA...Since, in the recent past, you've made such an issue out of Obama's use of teleprompters, do you have any comment about Sarah Palin's need to keep talking points written on her hand (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html)?

That's hilarious!

Frankly, I'm a bit skeptical of this story, but the video and images look pretty realistic.

And here's what seems to have been written on her hand:

Energy
Budget cuts
Tax
Lift American
Spirits

I can't imagine how this could help her. If someone asks a question about energy or budget cuts or tax, she needs to look at her hand to figure out the subject of the question? Or is it that no matter what the question, she wants to work these points into the answer even if it's not on-point?

And wouldn't paper have been less messy? :)

[Bikewer]

I see Palin talked quite a bit about God; saying that we should become a "God-fearing nation" again, (Again? We're vastly more religious than almost any European nation)
and that the president needs to consult with God as we mere human beings can't know everything....
She did not go into detail as to how the deity should transmit pithy wisdom to the president.....

[ANTPogo]

That's hilarious!

Frankly, I'm a bit skeptical of this story, but the video and images look pretty realistic.

Yeah, I'm a little skeptical myself. But it's a telling comment about Palin that even if false, this story about her is entirely believable.

[Walter Ego]

Considering she apparently had to write notes on her hand to remind her to talk about "tax cuts" and "lift American spirits" at a Tea Party convention pre-approved Q&A session, I seriously doubt she could define "God".

In other words, I don't believe she was consciously attempting to reference the Declaration there, but instead was just spewing her usual talking points about "God" and "freedom".

Did she mention "O'Biden"? :D

[leftysergeant]

I can't imagine how this could help her. If someone asks a question about energy or budget cuts or tax, she needs to look at her hand to figure out the subject of the question? Or is it that no matter what the question, she wants to work these points into the answer even if it's not on-point?

She's talking to teabaggers. Does logic matter?

[GanipGnop]

She did not go into detail as to how the deity should transmit pithy wisdom to the president.....

I figure the usual way, (voices in the head, animal entrails divination, and psychics) isn't that how Reagan and the Bush's did it? :p

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I don't see god or freedom.

They never taught you what a "synonym" is in school?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Now let's be fair, I'm sure when Sot said "quoting the DoI" he really meant "paraphrasing the DoI in such a way that the meaning is changed from rhetorical deist flourish to fundamentalist crazy talk"

You're going to have to explain how "freedoms given by God" is fundamentalist crazy talk.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

In other words, I don't believe she was consciously attempting to reference the Declaration there, but instead was just spewing her usual talking points about "God" and "freedom".

Do you have any evidence of what she was thinking or is your interpretation of her comments entirely faith based?

[BenBurch]

You're going to have to explain how "freedoms given by God" is fundamentalist crazy talk.

Well, it presumes that there is a "god."

And there really isn't, you know. Its a fairy tale like the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Well, it presumes that there is a "god."

So anyone who says "God" is now a crazy fundamentalist?

You need a forklift to carry that tar and brush, Ben?

[leftysergeant]

Do you have any evidence of what she was thinking or is your interpretation of her comments entirely faith based?

The bolded word shows where you are straying from the logical point. The Artic MILF doesn't really think very often.

[Walter Ego]

Considering she apparently had to write notes on her hand to remind her to talk about "tax cuts" and "lift American spirits" at a Tea Party convention pre-approved Q&A session, I seriously doubt she could define "God".

In other words, I don't believe she was consciously attempting to reference the Declaration there, but instead was just spewing her usual talking points about "God" and "freedom".

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-02-07-palinhandclose.jpg

[applecorped]

The bolded word shows where you are straying from the logical point. The Artic MILF doesn't really think very often.


MILF? Do tell.

[leftysergeant]

MILF? Do tell.

If she looked like Greta van Sustern she would have gotten about 500 votes for Governor of Alaska.

[ANTPogo]

Do you have any evidence of what she was thinking or is your interpretation of her comments entirely faith based?

Historical precedent. Sarah Palin knows little, and desires to know even less. The likelihood of her slipping a clever reference to the Declaration into her speech is pretty small, especially when we already know she's a self-absorbed fundamentalist with a limited view of the world and a really tenuous grasp of things like politics, history, economics, and how to write a coherent speech.

But if you think that the woman who apparently wrote the lamest, most obvious, most meaningless cheat-sheet notes on her hand during a pre-arranged Q&A session packed with her supporters, and still had to look down at it during the questions, is the type to make subtle callbacks to the seminal documents of our nation's political underpinning, well...more power to ya.

EDIT: I'm actually starting to hope that the whole notes-on-hand thing really is false. Because otherwise, that makes her widespread support among a certain chunk of the electorate even scarier.

[BenBurch]

So anyone who says "God" is now a crazy fundamentalist?

You need a forklift to carry that tar and brush, Ben?

No, but to even take the question seriously, you first need to show that there is a 'god.'

Until then it may be ignored.

[BenBurch]

MILF? Do tell.

Ask the folks at Hustler Video, who have made a lot of money with porn by Palin look-alike Lisa Ann...

[Walter Ego]

I'm actually starting to hope that the whole notes-on-hand thing really is false. Because otherwise, that makes her widespread support among a certain chunk of the electorate even scarier.

It's true (http://trueslant.com/nickobourn/2010/02/07/sarah-palin-caught-writing-notes-on-hand-for-tea-party-interview/).

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-02-07-palinhandclose.jpg

[Magyar]

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

HMM, Last I checked MY creators were my mother and father and I see NOTHING in those words to indicate a necessity to claim an imaginary sky fairy.

So the delusions of a wacko woman who, I don't even understand why would consider running considering the end is neigh, is pretty much irrelevant to the quote above

[Magyar]

You're going to have to explain how "freedoms given by God" is fundamentalist crazy talk.

EXACTLY the same way as presents come from Santa and are made at the workshop hidden at the north pole.

Silly rabbits bring you chocolates on Easter and the tooth fairy brings you money for your old dentin.


Now the Wacko scale is a sliding one, and people fall at different spots on the bell curve,
BUT if you believe that ANYTHING is actually delivered to you by this imaginary fairy then you're DEFINATELY on the bell curve.

[Magyar]

It's true (http://trueslant.com/nickobourn/2010/02/07/sarah-palin-caught-writing-notes-on-hand-for-tea-party-interview/).

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-02-07-palinhandclose.jpg

WOW and she had the balls to rail about Obama using a teleprompter,
can she spell hypocrisy - nahhh probably not - not enough space on her palm

[Walter Ego]

Orly Taitz is in Nashville being snubbed by both teabaggers and the press.

The woman dubbed by the Orange County Register as “queen of the birthers” arrived at the National Tea Party Convention today and did what she always does: hustle around talking to reporters and trying to get media coverage...

For several minutes, she tried to make her case to Carl Cameron of Fox News, to no avail. As I spoke to John Avlon of The Daily Beast, Taitz ran over and asked Avlon when his book “Wingnuts” will be coming out and whether she could get a copy. (She’s profiled in the book.)

http://washingtonindependent.com/75958/orly-taitz-in-nashville

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4336437464_b4f0075bf0.jpg

Ignoring Taitz is a mistake on the part of both the baggers and the republicans as the majority of republicans (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5593640#post5593640) believe Obama's birth certificate is a fake. ;)

[Alferd_Packer]

EDIT: I'm actually starting to hope that the whole notes-on-hand thing really is false. Because otherwise, that makes her widespread support among a certain chunk of the electorate even scarier.

People who cheated in High School?

[Alferd_Packer]

Orly Taitz is in Nashville being snubbed by both teabaggers and the press.



http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4336437464_b4f0075bf0.jpg

Ignoring Taitz is a mistake on the part of both the baggers and the republicans as the majority of republicans (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5593640#post5593640) believe Obama's birth certificate is a fake.


I Love that woman. The more she talks, the crazier her supporters look.

Go Orly!

[Freddy]

Well, it presumes that there is a "god."

And there really isn't, you know. Its a fairy tale like the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

Yes, but you said "fundamentalist." You don't get to unilaterally redefine "fundamentalist" to mean anyone who believes in God. Fundamentalists are a proper subset of religious believers, at least as the term is generally used. Palin seems to qualify as a fundamentalist, but most of the people who wrote the DoI believed in some sort of God. Lots of people who are not fundamentalists believe that rights come from God. It's a mainstream belief. And I have news for you: natural human rights are a fairy tale as well.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Historical precedent. Sarah Palin knows little, and desires to know even less. The likelihood of her slipping a clever reference to the Declaration into her speech is pretty small, especially when we already know she's a self-absorbed fundamentalist with a limited view of the world and a really tenuous grasp of things like politics, history, economics, and how to write a coherent speech.

But if you think that the woman who apparently wrote the lamest, most obvious, most meaningless cheat-sheet notes on her hand during a pre-arranged Q&A session packed with her supporters, and still had to look down at it during the questions, is the type to make subtle callbacks to the seminal documents of our nation's political underpinning, well...more power to ya.

EDIT: I'm actually starting to hope that the whole notes-on-hand thing really is false. Because otherwise, that makes her widespread support among a certain chunk of the electorate even scarier.

Right... so do you have any evidence that you know what she was thinking?

I heard you can get a million bucks if you can prove this.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Ignoring Taitz is a mistake on the part of both the baggers and the republicans as the majority of republicans (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5593640#post5593640) believe Obama's birth certificate is a fake. ;)

And 61% of democrats think 9/11 was an inside job.

[Cain]

I do not think Sarah Palin is aging well. She has those deep set eyes. I also remember reading something about released e-mails where she attempted to make the costs of a tanning bed appear as minimal as possible.

[applecorped]

WOW and she had the balls to rail about Obama using a teleprompter,
can she spell hypocrisy - nahhh probably not - not enough space on her palm


On the upside, she writes her own material.

[Walter Ego]

And 61% of democrats think 9/11 was an inside job.

False even according to the poll you posted yourself as "evidence."
You are pushing CTs. You are a truther. ;)

Btw, where are those posts of me "conversing" with those Holocaust deniers? I'm still waiting.

[BenBurch]

Yes, but you said "fundamentalist." You don't get to unilaterally redefine "fundamentalist" to mean anyone who believes in God. Fundamentalists are a proper subset of religious believers, at least as the term is generally used. Palin seems to qualify as a fundamentalist, but most of the people who wrote the DoI believed in some sort of God. Lots of people who are not fundamentalists believe that rights come from God. It's a mainstream belief. And I have news for you: natural human rights are a fairy tale as well.

No. I didn't say the word "fundamentalist" I said that the question presumes facts not in evidence and that consideration is therefore a waste of time.

[BenBurch]

No. I didn't say the word "fundamentalist" I said that the question presumes facts not in evidence and that consideration is therefore a waste of time.

ETA: I agree with you on Natural Rights as well.

[Thunder]

Btw, where are those posts of me "conversing" with those Holocaust deniers? I'm still waiting.

in another thread, he called me a "Holocaust Cheerleader Denier".

:p

[Thunder]

And 61% of democrats think 9/11 was an inside job.

LIE

this is a lie because you are familiar with the Rasmussen poll, and YOU know it does not say this.

therefore, this is a lie. the poll found that only 35% of Democrats believed that Bush knew of the 9-11 attacks before they happened.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

please stop.

[ANTPogo]

Right... so do you have any evidence that you know what she was thinking?

I heard you can get a million bucks if you can prove this.

Is there any particular reason you're so intent on defending Sarah Palin? Do you really not see what the rest of us are seeing?

And 61% of democrats think 9/11 was an inside job.

Okay, so you haven't read anything I've said on this subject. Either that, or you're willfully ignoring it.

Neither one speaks well of you.

[ANTPogo]

On the upside, she writes her own material.

In crayon, no doubt.

[steve s]

And wouldn't paper have been less messy? :)


But more obvious. But if she had used an index card instead of her hand she wouldn't have looked like a 15 year-old trying to cheat during an exam.

Steve S

[tyr_13]

Do conservatives really think teleprompters are that bad?

[King of the Americas]

Cheat notes on your hand...???

What is she in Junior High...???

Run Sarah Run, RUN Sarah RUN, RUN SARAH RUN!!!

Can you think of a bigger wetter dream, than Sarah Palin being a Presidential candidate on the Tea Party or GOP ticket, for Democrats?

This politician has the intellectual depth of a tennis court puddle, and apparently a memory to match.

[Thunder]

Do conservatives really think teleprompters are that bad?

not many people can memorize a 30 page speech.

[King of the Americas]

In crayon, no doubt.

Crayons don't write on skin, silly...

[Thunder]

um...why does the GOP even entertain this gal?

did they not get a bad enough beating in 2008?

perhaps they would like another one. well, we shall oblige them in 2012, if they make such a request.

if the GOP is smart, they will distance themselves, and soon, from this moron.

cause if she is their candidate, in 2012, she will receive a beating like no other in modern history.

[Giz]

LIE

this is a lie because you are familiar with the Rasmussen poll, and YOU know it does not say this.

therefore, this is a lie. the poll found that only 35% of Democrats believed that Bush knew of the 9-11 attacks before they happened.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

please stop.

To quote from your link:

"Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. "

That's still crazy numbers.

[ravdin]

LIE

this is a lie because you are familiar with the Rasmussen poll, and YOU know it does not say this.

therefore, this is a lie. the poll found that only 35% of Democrats believed that Bush knew of the 9-11 attacks before they happened.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

please stop.

So according to this poll, one in three Democrats is retarded. I agree with you completely- there's no need to lie or exaggerate if you're trying to make Democrats look bad!

[Thunder]

So according to this poll, one in three Democrats is retarded. I agree with you completely- there's no need to lie or exaggerate if you're trying to make Democrats look bad!

yes. 1/3rd of Democrats gave a pretty stupid answer to a dinner time political poll.

and then they went back to eating their potatoes and veggies.

though....over all...22% of all Americans agreed with the 35% of Democrats.

[ravdin]

yes. 1/3rd of Democrats gave a pretty stupid answer to a dinner time political poll.

and then they went back to eating their potatoes and veggies.

though....over all...22% of all Americans agreed with the 35% of Democrats.

That demonstrates what we already know: not all Democrats are idiots and not all idiots are Democrats.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

We hold these truths to be self evident. That all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
HMM, Last I checked MY creators were my mother and father and I see NOTHING in those words to indicate a necessity to claim an imaginary sky fairy.

So the delusions of a wacko woman who, I don't even understand why would consider running considering the end is neigh, is pretty much irrelevant to the quote above

Those are Thomas Jeffersons "delusions", actually.

You fail American history.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Is there any particular reason you're so intent on defending Sarah Palin? Do you really not see what the rest of us are seeing?

You're confusing what I am defending against with who I am defending. I agreed with another poster here when he said that Palin is too damaged by her own missteps to be an effective candidate (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5594443&postcount=19).

But this isn't about Sarah Palin. We have you claiming that a State Governor and former candidate for Vice President of the United States cannot possibly been aware of the Declaration of Independence, ergo she must only have been talking as a religious whack-job when she echoed one of the most common themes in American political speech.

I've asked you for evidence of these psychic powers of yours but you have failed or refused.

We have other posters making blanket arbitrary declarations that all people who profess a belief in God are crazy fundamentalists. And thus far, I see only one person who has called foul.

When did religious bigotry, magic abilities and papal-like infallibility become the SOP on a "critical thinkers" forum?


Okay, so you haven't read anything I've said on this subject. Either that, or you're willfully ignoring it.

35% of the democrat respondents to the Rassmussen poll feel the response to an attack on the nation is to throw republicans in jail. 26% feel an appropriate response might be to throw republicans in jail.

That makes 61% of democrats who can't be trusted to handle the nations security. Semantic hair-splitting over my wording might make you feel better for the moment, but it won't make that problem go away.

[Upchurch]

They never taught you what a "synonym" is in school?

Make you a deal: You teach us what those words mean, we'll teach you what "quote" means.

[BenBurch]

Crayons don't write on skin, silly...

She found that out and then somebody helpfully offered a marker...

[ANTPogo]

But this isn't about Sarah Palin. We have you claiming that a State Governor and former candidate for Vice President of the United States cannot possibly been aware of the Declaration of Independence, ergo she must only have been talking as a religious whack-job when she echoed one of the most common themes in American political speech.

I've asked you for evidence of these psychic powers of yours but you have failed or refused.

I already explained my reasoning back in post 43. Sarah Palin needs to write cheat-sheet notes on the palm of her hand to remind her to answer pre-selected questions with such complex things as "tax cuts" and "raise American spirits"! And that's far from the dumbest thing she's ever done (though, admittedly, it is pretty close). In all of her many rambling, barely-coherent speeches in the past, she's never evinced even the slightest hint of the political awareness that would make me think she's actually referencing the Declaration there.

So while it's possible she's intentionally referencing the Declaration, the historical likelihood of such a thing is pretty small. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you know.

We have other posters making blanket arbitrary declarations that all people who profess a belief in God are crazy fundamentalists. And thus far, I see only one person who has called foul.

No, all people who profess a belief in God are not crazy fundamentalists.

Sarah Palin is, though. And since she's who we're talking about, well...

When did religious bigotry, magic abilities and papal-like infallibility become the SOP on a "critical thinkers" forum?

I don't know. It'd help if you informed us which forum you're talking about, since your description certainly doesn't match this one.

35% of the democrat respondents to the Rassmussen poll feel the response to an attack on the nation is to throw republicans in jail. 26% feel an appropriate response might be to throw republicans in jail.

Perhaps you'd like to cite the part of the Rassmussen report which talks about the respondents' feelings about jail time for...well, anyone.

Or do you still insist on repeating the bizarre assertion that "knew about it in advance" somehow is equivalent to "was behind the whole thing"?

[Sporanox]

I already explained my reasoning back in post 43. Sarah Palin needs to write cheat-sheet notes on the palm of her hand to remind her to answer pre-selected questions with such complex things as "tax cuts" and "raise American spirits"! And that's far from the dumbest thing she's ever done (though, admittedly, it is pretty close).

So which is it? :boggled:


In all of her many rambling, barely-coherent speeches in the past, she's never evinced even the slightest hint of the political awareness that would make me think she's actually referencing the Declaration there.

So while it's possible she's intentionally referencing the Declaration, the historical likelihood of such a thing is pretty small. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you know.


We're not talking about rocket science here. In fact, a well-trained monkey could approach the same capability. Sarah might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she is an adult and has a functioning brain.

A middle school student could have made the same reference. I don't see your astonishment.

[ANTPogo]

So which is it? :boggled:

Sorry, I was trying to say that it's far from being the dumbest thing she's ever done (meaning, as dumb as this thing was, she does so many dumb things that there have actually been dumber things she's done), not that it's far from the dumbest thing on the hypothetical list of dumb things Palin has done (implying that this particular thing she did wasn't really all that dumb, since there were progressively dumber things higher up on the list).

My hyperbole was in terms of volume, not ranking, if that makes any more sense.

We're not talking about rocket science here. In fact, a well-trained monkey could approach the same capability. Sarah might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she is an adult and has a functioning brain.

A middle school student could have made the same reference. I don't see your astonishment.

I am less optimistic about modern middle school students. But nevertheless, while Palin is certainly capable of functioning in modern society, in terms of political speechifying, she does not think in terms of the actual political documents of the Founding Fathers, like the Declaration, and certainly not in terms of the actual verbiage used in those documents. Instead, she's the type of person skewered in that Onion article about the man who's the passionate defender of what he thinks the Constitution says, with no connection to what the actual document says.

[applecorped]

In crayon, no doubt.

No doubt? I have doubts. Crayon doesn't write well on skin.

[ANTPogo]

No doubt? I have doubts. Crayon doesn't write well on skin.

I completely missed that the context was strictly about Palin writing on her hand. This is why focusing too much on mockery at the expense of others is a bad thing, no matter how justified you think you are: it can leave you blinkered.

As a result, I'd better bow out of the Palin thing now, since I'm already getting far too carried away.

[Sporanox]

Yeah, it seems Palin has that energizing effect on people - all people, one way or another.

My hyperbole was in terms of volume, not ranking, if that makes any more sense.

That actually did make a weird kind of sense. :D

[joobie]

Do conservatives really think teleprompters are that bad?

well, ronald reagan used them when he spoke. i haven't been able to find any criticism of that, although maybe my google-fu is weak.

[King of the Americas]

well, ronald reagan used them when he spoke. i haven't been able to find any criticism of that, although maybe my google-fu is weak.

It was a cheap shot she took at the President, not unlike the rest of the speech.

Sure Palin used cheat notes on her hand, but that in and of itself isn't a dis-qualifier for anything, and bashing her with it accomplishes nothing. In fact, it just makes her look even more adorable to her fans. Who hasn't jotted down a note on their hand? Her popularity isn't gonna take a hit from this...

Rather what we SHOULD be focused on was the complete lack of anything substantiative, within her speech.

[Snide]

I completely missed that the context was strictly about Palin writing on her hand. This is why focusing too much on mockery at the expense of others is a bad thing, no matter how justified you think you are: it can leave you blinkered.

As a result, I'd better bow out of the Palin thing now, since I'm already getting far too carried away.Actually, it made for a better joke. I knew you were joking; not sure about others. That she would try to write on her hand in crayon makes it funnier.

[Snide]

It was a cheap shot she took at the President, not unlike the rest of the speech.

Sure Palin used cheat notes on her hand, but that in and of itself isn't a dis-qualifier for anything, and bashing her with it accomplishes nothing. In fact, it just makes her look even more adorable to her fans. Who hasn't jotted down a note on their hand? Her popularity isn't gonna take a hit from this...

Rather what we SHOULD be focused on was the complete lack of anything substantiative, within her speech.What is funny about it to me is that she wrote on her hand apparently to answer impromptu questions. Perhaps because she didn't want another Katie Couric incident? And yet, looking at the notes on she wrote on her hand, I can easily see how having to depend too much on such prep could cause (an) impromptu response(s) exactly like in the Couric interview.

[Dancing David]

They never taught you what a "synonym" is in school?

You never been on the JREF before?

[Dancing David]

Well, it presumes that there is a "god."

And there really isn't, you know. Its a fairy tale like the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

Well the Easter Bunny brought me choclate!

[King of the Americas]

What is funny about it to me is that she wrote on her hand apparently to answer impromptu questions. Perhaps because she didn't want another Katie Couric incident? And yet, looking at the notes on she wrote on her hand, I can easily see how having to depend too much on such prep could cause (an) impromptu response(s) exactly like in the Couric interview.

Oh, I'll gladly concede that it is comedic gold... I am really looking forward to the Daily Show tonight.

But the thing Democrats should focus on, in their talking points, should only be how the GOP plans contain no specifics. And in this regard, Palin is excelling...

Maybe she should have used the other hand also, to provide a few more details.

I know I am repeating myself, but "We win they lose." is NOT a national security plan!

[Greg_in_CO]

In fact, it just makes her look even more adorable to her fans. Who hasn't jotted down a note on their hand? Her popularity isn't gonna take a hit from this...



I was pretty sure this would be the reaction from her base too. Looks like that is how it is playing out:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/08/fox-palin-telepalmer/

:rolleyes:

[King of the Americas]

I was pretty sure this would be the reaction from her base too. Looks like that is how it is playing out:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/08/fox-palin-telepalmer/

:rolleyes:

Like I said, we're better off pointing out her complete lack of specifics behind those issues...

I am guessing Jon Stewart won't be as kind in his analysis.

[Praktik]

I dunno, I think her hand needed another correction.

"Lift American Republican Spirits"

And the kernel of truth inside this joke is that the spirit of independence that may have permeated the Teabag movement at its outset is now gone (or at least marginalized). Its a GOP vehicle, and all that populism is being harnessed to GOP ends.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Re: Thomas Jefferson's beliefs:


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.


Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.


Yep, the Creator of the DoI meant the Christian God alright!