Is this paranormal

[blue deamon]

Hello,

this video is taken from TV show "unsolved history:ninjas"

produced by discovery channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeUvrTf6M-Y



i wonder if this phenomenon is a paranormal thing
and if the discovery channel should win the one ?


And you can download the full show from here






Ninja - demons of the night / Unsolved History 3. Ninjas (2004) DVD5

Who are the ninjas? All the explanation of their supernatural powers, the history of their appearance and disappearance.
Look modern view of the Japanese elite assassins 16 th century, and expand the secrets of the soldiers, which most feared and least understood of all time of their existence. Legends speak of the extraordinary abilities of a ninja - become invisible, clairvoyance and even the ability to fly. But were these mythical abilities, whether real or they - the result of mixing technology and sophisticated weapons, along with superbly conceived training and practice?

</SPAN>Title: Ninja - demons of the night
Original title: Unsolved History. Ninjas
Year: 2004
Genre: Documentary
Director: Peter Karp

Country: United States
Translation: Professional (Polyphony)
Duration: 00: 50 :52

Quality: DVD5
Format: DVD-video
Video: 720x576, 8000 Kb / s
Audio: AC3, 256 Kb / s, (2sh)
Size: 2.57 GB</SPAN>



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[Czarcasm]

Mods-should this be moved? I don't see anything directly pertaining to the MDC here.

[jmercer]

i wonder if this phenomenon is a paranormal thing
and if the discovery channel should win the one ?

What phenomenon? All I saw were carefully prepared and pre-scripted examples of described "skills".

There's nothing paranormal going on in the Martial Arts world, believe me.

[GrandMasterFox]

As for the op, I don't even need to watch the show. Saying something about people from 16th century means absolutely nothing. Show us a live demonstration under controled conditions and you'll get $1,000,000.

Mods-should this be moved? I don't see anything directly pertaining to the MDC here.

Not only that... but the person posted links to a copyrighted material which I can only assume is forbidden.

[blue deamon]

I do not mean the abilities of ninjas themselves

I mean the experiment carried out by a CIA agent
On the remote viewers
He has let them sleep and in their sleep they see things that happen far away from them

[jsfisher]

Infractions issued and off to deep storage in 5...4...3....

[Uncayimmy]

Mods-should this be moved? I don't see anything directly pertaining to the MDC here.

Except for the part where he asked if it was paranormal and if the Discovery Channel could win the $1M.

[MattusMaximus]

Ninjas simply hold no interest for me unless they're on fire. When you get to the part about flaming ninjas, get back to me :)

[Fnord]

Nothing can be paranormal. There is either 'normal' or 'trickery' (or 'delusion' or 'hallucination' or 'arising from a schizophrenic disorder').

The ninja myth is based on a few instances of some highly-skilled assassins successfully doing their jobs, after which the people that should have prevented the assassinations spun stories about super-natural beings that could fly, walk through walls and kill with a touch. I'd probably spin such stories too, if they were my only chances of avoiding a beheading or an order to commit seppuku.

[blue deamon]

But my question is about the phenomenon of remote viewing that in the video on YouTube is it supernatural or what

Who have experience are ordinary people, not the Ninja
I do not care about the whole show, but I am concerned that experience only

Experience is that the remote viewers
were able to see during sleep things happening far away from them

[zooterkin]

Experience is that the remote viewers
were able to see during sleep things happening far away from them

It's a well-known phenomenon; I understand it's called "dreaming".




(By the way, what's a 'deamon'?)

[Fnord]

But my question is about the phenomenon of remote viewing that in the video on YouTube is it supernatural or what...

And my answer was very clear - "Nothing can be paranormal. There is either 'normal' or 'trickery' (or 'delusion' or 'hallucination' or 'arising from a schizophrenic disorder')."

In other words, what was portrayed in the YouTube video was not 'supernatural' - it was a group of ordinary events that someone claimed to be supernaturally related, and you fell for it.

Did the YouTube video portray the actual dreams, or did it merely show the 'dreamers' reporting what they claimed to have dreamed? What is fair to note is that anyone can piece together a YouTube video from various sources - both scripted and unscripted - and use the resulting video as 'evidence' to support a claim of supernatural events. This is not science, it is pure special effects - splicing together two or more unrelated things and then claiming the result is the real deal; like those Chimerae creatures from the old carnival freak shows.

Nothing happened. There is nothing worth further discussion. Move along...

[Denver]

Perhaps the discovery channel should win the one million.

But they'd have to apply for it, and make a paranormal claim, and then demonstrate that claim under controlled conditions.

And if they can't do that, it makes you wonder about the video in the first place.

[GrandMasterFox]

Perhaps the discovery channel should win the one million.

But they'd have to apply for it, and make a paranormal claim, and then demonstrate that claim under controlled conditions.

And if they can't do that, it makes you wonder about the video in the first place.

Not to mention that this is supposably a CIA experiemnt.
So the CIA has developed a super technique for remote viewing which is the most cost effective and useful espionage technique ever.

And they would just let the discovery channel air it for the world to see...

[JWideman]

As I understand it, ninjas flip out and kill people. That's not exactly paranormal.

[Fnord]

As I understand it, ninjas flip out and kill people. That's not exactly paranormal.

No, that's mercenary. Hurt people and break things. That's what they do.

[JoeyDonuts]

There's so much double-talk and outright fabrication surrounding the history of ninjitsu that almost none of it is reliable or authoritative.

Even the so-called modern-day instructors with certificates from Matsuki Hatsumi (sp?) have been called into question.

It's next to worthless as a fighting art, and not much better as a historical study.

As to paranormal claims, forget it. You want remote viewing, play a video game.

[blue deamon]

This is not science, it is pure special effects - splicing together two or more unrelated things and then claiming the result is the real deal;


What are you talking about?
It is a Documentary show
on famous channel

It Supposed to be real

[JoeyDonuts]

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[Stray Cat]

For an insider view (no pun intended) of Remote Viewing read Jim Schnabel's interesting and entertaining book on the subject.
http://jimschnabel.com/remote-viewers/

There's also a lengthy article from the Independent newspaper at the above link.

More recently, the movie 'Men Who Stare At Goats' covers some of the Military experiments into ESP/PSI etc.

The short answer to your question is: If there is anything paranormal going on, no one credible has yet managed to scientifically measure, test or record anything significant.

[zooterkin]

More recently, the movie 'Men Who Stare At Goats' covers some of the Military experiments into ESP/PSI etc.


The book, by Jon Ronson, is a better reference, as the film is a fictionalised account of what he discovered. (The other option would be the forthcoming DVD of TAM London, at which Jon Ronson spoke. :) )

[aggle-rithm]

What are you talking about?
It is a Documentary show
on famous channel

It Supposed to be real

Even if remote viewing is real, it's not very useful. The "viewers" describe or draw very vague images, which are can be linked to the target only with a generous application of metaphor. In other words, you only know what the viewers are describing if you already know what they are describing.

As I said, not very useful.

[Ocelot]

BD in answer to your question, yes remote viewing would be considered to be paranormal if it was in any way reliable under controlled conditions. The sort of sketchy hap-hazard hits that have been recorded by stargate and co have alternative explanations which are not paranormal. These include confirmation bias, post hoc interpretations sensory leakage and inadvertant cold reading. Efforts to eliminate these alternative explanations also seem to eliminate any semblance of success. Not all is lost though because the alternative explanations are actually far more interesting than psychic powers. Great news if you are a psychologist. Not so great if your interest is reliable intelligence. Perhaps this explains why the CIA scrapped this programme and went ahead with the multi billion dollar launch of a fleet of spy satalites.

[Bikewer]

Almost everything we have about the ninja falls into the category of myth. Turnbull, the historian who has written extensively on feudal Japan and the warrior culture of the Samurai, did a book on the ninja some years ago.
He identifies nearly all the supposed abilities, feats, and exploits attributed to ninja from the period after the Meiji Restoration, when the country was busily glorifying the "good old days" in plays, stories, and poetry.
(much as we were doing with the Wild West)
In reality, Turnbull says, the ninja were what we'd call "assymetrical" warriors, peasants for the most part from a couple of recalcitrant provinces that did not like the idea of being ruled by various warlords.

[blue deamon]

OK,thanks to all of you for your answers