Can Christians bring on the end times?

[Greatest I am]

Can Christians bring on the end times?

There is still debate as to the reality of archetypal Jesus.
There are many versions.
Revelation says that at the end of days, we would basically have a number of Jesus’ to chose from and that the elect would be chosen by the one they choose.
If you would count the number Jesus sects, you might agree that it looks like we are there right now, so the question of his reality is now redundant. I do not ask you this with disrespect but to make a point.
How many wives in your sect if you follow Jesus?

He also said that we would not recognize him.
If you asked the real Jesus to stand up, and he did, we could only know him by his philosophy.
Jesus is dead. Long live Jesus.
Philosophy is the Holy Spirit that lives in Jesus, the Man God.
This spirit can only be expressed by a man.
Our first God was a man and our last God shall be as well.
If Jesus cults, from the Vatican on down, would get on with it, Jesus could be here whenever they choose and then the power of God would be Here on earth.
It is said that both Canada and the U S are Christian nations.
I am a Religionist and follow a Godhead that is philosophically superior to Jesus.
Believing this allows me to critique Jesus and his followers.
Just as they critique other Religionists.
What in Hell are you waiting for Jesus followers?
Elect yourselves a Jesus.
As Jesus said, the time of the end is at hand.

Regards
DL

[slingblade]

If Jesus cults, from the Vatican on down, would get on with it, Jesus could be here whenever they choose and then the power of God would be Here on earth.

Since there is no actual god, except that which we have created from our own imaginations, the so-called power of god is here on earth. It's us. It's always and only ever been us.


I am a Religionist and follow a Godhead that is philosophically superior to Jesus.

Nah. It's just the same old fantasy, created by the same old human brain. With some supposed telepathy thrown in.


Believing this allows me to critique Jesus and his followers.

Believing nothing at all allows me to do the same thing.

What in Hell are you waiting for Jesus followers?

You seem to think they were only waiting for you to give your permission. We'll let them know you said it's okay now.


Seriously, what makes you think there are even going to be any "end times?"

Frankly, I think it's far more likely we'll eventually (within several million years, give or take) abandon the planet entirely. Then, when the solar system does....implode, go nova, go BOOM, or whatever old solar systems do when they die, there won't be any people around to be having any "end times."

[SusanB-M1]

I agree completely with slingblade.

It is interesting to note that, however many times it is pointed out that 'Jesus said' actually means that some people thought he, whoever he was, said something and then it has arrived now about a thousadth-hand more or less, they still hear the words ... and then their brains translate it into, 'Well, Jesus said....'

[Hux]

No they cannot. Don't be silly. If you are going to flood assorted boards with the same questions at least look at the replies.

[qayak]

Can Christians bring on the end times?

Perhaps, but the Raelians and Jim Jones were better at it.

[Greatest I am]

Since there is no actual god, except that which we have created from our own imaginations, the so-called power of god is here on earth. It's us. It's always and only ever been us.


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I agree.

This is a way of mobilizing us.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

I agree completely with slingblade.

It is interesting to note that, however many times it is pointed out that 'Jesus said' actually means that some people thought he, whoever he was, said something and then it has arrived now about a thousadth-hand more or less, they still hear the words ... and then their brains translate it into, 'Well, Jesus said....'

If, like me, you thought of Jesus as an archetype then some of his comments, as spoken from the mouth of the writers, might make more sense to you.

They were expressing a wish as far as I am concerned.

Regards
DL

[willhaven]

Does that mean they get raptured and go away?

[slingblade]

I agree.

Sorry, let me stop laughing.

No, you do not agree with me, nor with anything I've said or think. We are so far apart on the matters of which you write, it's like we're in different universes.

I don't spend my time sitting around thinking up questions to ask that challenge other people's ideas of god, so that I can then promote my own special, only-talks-to-me god, whom I contact with telepathy.

No. The one thing we do not do is agree.



This is a way of mobilizing us.


Imagine me still laughing, but slightly outraged and annoyed.

To do what? I don't need mobilizing, and there is no "us" which includes you and I. I'm not a troop in your widdle army against the evil, bad god-botherers.

Honestly, you could not possibly have picked a worse way to respond to what I said than this pernicious butt-kissing.

[kittynh]

oK OK, the people of WASHINGTON NEW HAMPSHIRE also said it was the end times... they started a religion. Still waiting but hey...

show me the white bull, rebuild the temple and then I'll listen.

Until then, piffle. You can't rush God. It's His time not your time dude.

seriously, SHOW ME THE WHITE BULL, not just the "bull"

[Greatest I am]

Does that mean they get raptured and go away?

Those who believe in the rapture are literalists and it is my wish that that absurd notion were true so that we could get rid of them.

Unfortunately, that will not happen.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Sorry, let me stop laughing.

No, you do not agree with me, nor with anything I've said or think. We are so far apart on the matters of which you write, it's like we're in different universes.

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I cannot hear you from way out there.

Regards
DL

[slingblade]

Good. That's better.

[dafydd]

I agree.

This is a way of mobilizing us.

Regards
DL

Mobilizing us? Moblizing us to do what? Who's us?

[Greatest I am]

Mobilizing us? Moblizing us to do what? Who's us?

The world.

Do what.

Whatever the new leader wants as agreed to by the population.

A good place to start would likely be unifying the world to a greater extent so that world problems can be looked at from a world perspective instead of the 100's of perspectives that compete to the point of killing the required changes.

Environment might be at the top of that list.

Regards
DL

[dafydd]

The world.

Do what.

Whatever the new leader wants as agreed to by the population.

A good place to start would likely be unifying the world to a greater extent so that world problems can be looked at from a world perspective instead of the 100's of perspectives that compete to the point of killing the required changes.

Environment might be at the top of that list.

Regards
DL

Good luck with that.

[hgc]

Those who believe in the rapture are literalists and it is my wish that that absurd notion were true so that we could get rid of them.


But according to the prophecy, things will get a lot worse around after they're raptured away. So to wish for it to be true just so the annoying people that warned us about it would disappear is.. absurd.

[Elizabeth I]

To the OP:


WHAT?

[Tricky]

It depends on what "end of times" means. If it's nuclear annihilation, then powerful people have their fingers on the button. Many of those powerful people are Christians. Certainly all of the US Presidents claim to be.

If it's gradual extinction due to pollution, well, most western nations, the world's greatest polluters, are at least nominally Christian.

If it's a comet/asteroid strike, then Christians are off the hook.

[arthwollipot]

It depends on what "end of times" means. If it's nuclear annihilation, then powerful people have their fingers on the button. Many of those powerful people are Christians. Certainly all of the US Presidents claim to be.Wait, there's more than one? Where are you hiding all the others?

[Hokulele]

Wait, there's more than one? Where are you hiding all the others?


Disneyland.

You thought they were all animatronic? Mwahahahaha!

[RSLancastr]

IThey were expressing a wish as far as I am concerned.
As are you. As far as I am concerned.

[RSLancastr]

I read a science fiction book some ten or fifteen years ago, about a Christian group which was trying to bring about the End Times through scientific means. They had genetically engineered some of the creatures described in Revelation, and had created a virus which would reanimate the dead in their graves, etc. It was an interesting read.

[Greatest I am]

Good luck with that.

If predictions are to be believed then we will need some luck.

Regards
DL

[realpaladin]

The world.

Do what.

Whatever the new leader wants as agreed to by the population.

A good place to start would likely be unifying the world to a greater extent so that world problems can be looked at from a world perspective instead of the 100's of perspectives that compete to the point of killing the required changes.

Environment might be at the top of that list.

Regards
DL

I for one welcome our cockroach overlords!

[realpaladin]

If predictions are to be believed then we will need some luck.

Regards
DL

If the predictions want to be accurate, they need an extra-ordinary amount of luck!

[ServiceSoon]

You can't answer this...Can Christians bring on the end times? until you answer this...There is still debate as to the reality of archetypal Jesus.
Then you'd have to figure out which one of these There are many versions. is correct. You're on the right track. Keep up the God work.
It is said that both Canada and the U S are Christian nations.People say a lot of things. Some people say you're weird.
I am a Religionist and follow a Godhead that is philosophically superior to Jesus.AFAIK Jesus doesn't like competition.

[Soapy Sam]

Any numpty with a uranium enrichment programme can bring on the end times.
At this moment, the prime candidates are non Christian, but that's just historical variability.

[dropzone]

When I observed the paintings of Hiëronymus Bosch it seemed he was trying to pictorially describe the Eschaton for sinners that they should seek redemption. As I learned more about the Holocaust I realized that Hitler, the artist, was, to an extent, using the Eschaton symbolically, and that if he was not attempting to immanentize the Eschaton, in that neither he nor his followers would be redeemed, he was following the lead of other artist/theologians to take advantage of such a belief.

[tsig]

If the predictions want to be accurate, they need an extra-ordinary amount of luck!

No. If predictions work there's no such thing as luck.

[Greatest I am]

You can't answer this... until you answer this...
Then you'd have to figure out which one of these is correct. You're on the right track. Keep up the God work.
People say a lot of things. Some people say you're weird.
AFAIK Jesus doesn't like competition.

Then let him step up and say so.

Would the real Jesus please stand up.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Any numpty with a uranium enrichment programme can bring on the end times.
At this moment, the prime candidates are non Christian, but that's just historical variability.

Many have bought into the end times as a bringing down while I see it as a building up.

The God I know, if he had miracles that is, would heal the sick, not kill them.

If Bible God is a killer instead of a healer then I would say that his morals are lower than my Godhead's.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

No. If predictions work there's no such thing as luck.

I would say what you did about prophesy.

Prediction is lesser than prophesy and is related to luck.
Prediction has a range to luckily fall into.

Prophesy has no range but an exact target where luck has no say and is not required.

Then again, English is not my first language.

Regards
DL

[dafydd]

Many have bought into the end times as a bringing down while I see it as a building up.

The God I know, if he had miracles that is, would heal the sick, not kill them.

If Bible God is a killer instead of a healer then I would say that his morals are lower than my Godhead's.

Regards
DL

Do you have any proof of the existence of this godhead? Why doesn't he/she/it have a body?

[Greatest I am]

Do you have any proof of the existence of this godhead? Why doesn't he/she/it have a body?

I have indicated that I have no more proof to offer than anyone else has for their God.

As to why It has no body, I do not think it has a choice.

It is an evolving natural entity.
I do not think it has any more choice about being what it is than a tadpole has in becoming a frog.

Regards
DL

[realpaladin]

No. If predictions work there's no such thing as luck.

You did not see what I did there, did you now?;)

[Kopji]

oK OK, the people of WASHINGTON NEW HAMPSHIRE also said it was the end times... they started a religion. Still waiting but hey...

show me the white bull, rebuild the temple and then I'll listen.

Until then, piffle. You can't rush God. It's His time not your time dude.

seriously, SHOW ME THE WHITE BULL, not just the "bull"


DRUM ROLL...


It is amazing how quickly the presence of White Bull, as channeled by Ian Graham (born in England in 1954) becomes like an intimate friend whispering his words of wisdom into one's heart...

http://www.amazon.com/God-Never-Late-but-Early-Either/dp/1903571022


I remember reading an article a few years ago about a religious sect breeding program intended to produce such a bull, just so that in doing so it might precipitate a war in the Mideast. Could not find it today. The Great White Bull Ian will have to do for now :-)

[Kopji]

This spirit can only be expressed by a man.


Additionally, the word for holy spirit in Hebrew is 'ruach' which is female. This makes you wrong. And not only wrong. Wrongedly wrong wrong.