Interisting what God told this poor women

[buka001]

I came across this news article in South Africa.

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/f4d0841ec904462d8363630534d26222/11-02-2010-09-29/God_told_me_Id_be_raped

Surely if God is all knowing he would have told her alot earlier that she would get raped so she could have done something to prevent it. Why did God wait until the perpetrators had tied her up?

Why did God not strike down the perpertrators with lightning on the way to the house?

Why did God let her suffer such a terrible ordeal?

[slingblade]

There are no gods to save us.



Well? I suppose you expect some to tell you about god's mysterious ways, but it seems a rather pointless question to me, sorry. We can all cite some horrible thing that happened to someone, and ask why no god intervened, and we're pretty much going to hear the same answers each time. It's not exactly the world's most original question, after all. :p

[Safe-Keeper]

Despite her nightmare experience, which came after armed robbers overpowered her family in their home in a security complex in Centurion, she was still planning to swim the Midmar Mile this coming weekend.

She said she had been looking forward to it for a year and would not allow this incident to take away her enjoyment of life.
That's one tough cookie.

[Hux]

Yes indeed one tough cookie. Pity she doesn't question why the creator of the universe just sat back and let it happen.

[Safe-Keeper]

God has a weird kind of definition of "hurt", though. "Oh heaven no, I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna rape you really quick". Like saying you're not robbing someone, just, you know, taking their money and the dog they're walking.

[Sun Countess]

It sounds like a "footprints in the sand" type of reasoning that she was using to give herself strength to get through such a horrific ideal.

Later the (armed) robbers took him (her husband) away. One stayed with Hettie where she lay with her hands tied, half under the bed.

She said while she was lying like this, she heard the Lord tell her: "Hettie, you are my bride".

She answered: "Yes, Jesus, I know."

She said the Lord then told her that the man would rape her but not hurt her. The rapist was also not violent.
Not violent? Oh, yes he most definitely was. He had a weapon and her hands were tied while he violated her. How is that not violent?

It's stuff like the above that reminds me of the mental gymnastics some theists will use to explain how their god is loving, while committing atrocious acts against his most beloved creations. (Job, Abraham, Lot's wife and daughters, Mary, etc.)

If the best God or Jesus can do is lie beside you while you sit and take it, that's not very omnipotent, IMO.

[The Fallen Serpent]

If the best God or Jesus can do is lie beside you while you sit and take it, that's not very omnipotent, IMO.
Not only is it not very omnipotent, it is somewhat impotent.

What? Is that offensive?

[Madalch]

Not violent? Oh, yes he most definitely was. He had a weapon and her hands were tied while he violated her. How is that not violent?

Some people actually believe that rape is not real physical harm- it's just sex, after all, and everyone likes sex, right? It's not like he gave her a black eye or anything that shows or requires medical attention.

(Paraphrasing -their- opinion, not giving mine. I hope that's obvious.)

[Elizabeth I]

She said she knew people would say she was living in denial. She herself was a therapist, however, and knew what trauma involved...

Both she and Louis felt sorry for the rapist. They thought he was pathetic. He probably had never experienced the love of a woman.

This woman said she was a therapist? And yet she can somehow confuse rape with love? But she's not in denial?

I'm very very very sorry for her experience and she needs help.

[Trent Wray]

I just realized what this is analogous to.

This woman is basically a hostage to her "god", even to the degree that she'll take being raped and burglarized, and then having the incident spread out into public as "news" to be peered at by complete strangers, thus devaluing not only herself, but the trauma as well.

She is a hostage, and is not only okay with it, she sides with the captor / "god" she is a hostage to. And her captor goes wherever she goes, always with her in her mind.

It's essentially the same as ... Stockholm Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome).

[kerikiwi]

And yet she can somehow confuse rape with love?



No she does not confuse rape with love. She contrasts rape with love.

[Elizabeth I]

And yet she can somehow confuse rape with love?

No she does not confuse rape with love. She contrasts rape with love.

My question came off this quote from the news story:

Both she and Louis felt sorry for the rapist. They thought he was pathetic. He probably had never experienced the love of a woman.

It sounded to me, taken together with the other remarks attributed to the victim, that she was saying that the rapist had never experienced the love of a woman, so had gone hunting for it, with rape as his method.

[kerikiwi]

My question came off this quote from the news story:


It sounded to me, taken together with the other remarks attributed to the victim, that she was saying that the rapist had never experienced the love of a woman, so had gone hunting for it, with rape as his method.

I realise that is what you were referring to.
But your interpretation is mistaken.
It is not she who is confusing rape with love. She is saying that the rapist is confusing rape with love and that he is pathetic.

[Roadtoad]

Someone needs to come up with a facepalm smilie. This is just too sick and bizarre.

Okay, for the slower students in the class: RAPE IS A CRIME OF VIOLENCE. Sex is the weapon involved here, as well as whatever else is used to subdue the victim.

Second: This is not something a "holy" god would sit back and allow to happen. One would think, given what's been said in the Bible itself, that a "holy" god would give adequate warning to prevent such a crime from happening in the first place, not only for the sake of the victim, but of the perpetrator as well. The only way a "holy" god would allow this to happen is if he didn't exist.

Waitaminit...

[Elizabeth I]

I realise that is what you were referring to.
But your interpretation is mistaken.
It is not she who is confusing rape with love. She is saying that the rapist is confusing rape with love and that he is pathetic.

He may be pathetic, but he is no less so than she. And I think a case can be made for my interpretation being correct. Your assertion that it is not is just that - an assertion.

[AvalonXQ]

Not violent? Oh, yes he most definitely was. He had a weapon and her hands were tied while he violated her. How is that not violent?

I assume she means that there was no physical injury -- he didn't hit her or otherwise use actual physical force, just the threat of physical force.
It's one of those ambiguities in the word "violent", but I think it's clear what she was trying to convey.

[sgtbaker]

I realise that is what you were referring to.
But your interpretation is mistaken.
It is not she who is confusing rape with love. She is saying that the rapist is confusing rape with love and that he is pathetic.

The point is, a therapist should know that you cannot cure a rapist with love. The need/ability to commit that kind of crime is a mental defect. Rape is about power and not the absence or longing for love. I think that is what Elizabeth I was saying.

[Sun Countess]

I assume she means that there was no physical injury -- he didn't hit her or otherwise use actual physical force, just the threat of physical force.
It's one of those ambiguities in the word "violent", but I think it's clear what she was trying to convey.

I understand what she was trying to convey, but I can still wish she hadn't said it. I don't like seeing victims downplay the vileness of this or any other violent crime. I can just reiterate what RoadToad (*waves - good to see you posting*) said above: Rape is a crime of violence.

It's one of those things that can't be said enough. Rape is a crime of violence. The violence is inherent in the act, whether or not there's a black eye or broken ribs to accompany it.

Regarding the hilite: I'm pretty sure some physical force was also used, unless you think she spread her legs willingly and helped him in.

[kerikiwi]

The violence is inherent in the act.

Exactly.
Like cases of kidnapping: so often we are told that the victims are not being ill-treated.
Well, yes they are. They are not allowed to leave.