Where is Al Gore?

[Bill Thompson]

Where is Al Gore? Has anyone heard or seen him lately?

The snow storm in the East is the greatest in recorded history.

I have to tell people in New York, "welcome to the club". I live on the west coast and Seattle had the worst snow storm in recorded history last year.

So where is Al Gore? I imagine he is currently inspecting snow fall levels in Rio de Janerio.

Preemptive disclamer. I am just joking around.... a little. Snow fall is serious. Al Gore is not.

[Sporanox]

Well...can we just concentrate on one thread, rather than poking the AGW people with a stick?

[Thunder]

Where is Al Gore? Has anyone heard or seen him lately?

The snow storm in the East is the greatest in recorded history.


eh???

which snow storm was the worst in recorded history?

the one in 2003 that gave us like 28 inches?

AGW does not mean we will have less snow. it actually can and may lead to more frequent snow storms in the Northeast, and drier hotter temps in the Southwest.

[Darth Rotor]

Where is Al Gore?
He's at the Hotel Del Coronado, banging your -- never mind.

Let's try this again.

Where is Al Gore?
Who cares?

[Bill Thompson]

Well...can we just concentrate on one thread, rather than poking the AGW people with a stick?

huh?

I don't know if you can or not. Why ask me?

[Bill Thompson]

eh???

which snow storm was the worst in recorded history?

the one in 2003 that gave us like 28 inches?

AGW does not mean we will have less snow. it actually can and may lead to more frequent snow storms in the Northeast, and drier hotter temps in the Southwest.

Maybe I exaggerate but the snow storm here was the largest in memory.
And people are saying the one in New York is the largest. I do not know if they mean the largest in history or not.

[Bill Thompson]

He's at the Hotel Del Coronado, banging your --

My mom is dead. I hope he is.

[Paulhoff]

Where is Al Gore? Has anyone heard or seen him lately?

The snow storm in the East is the greatest in recorded history.

I have to tell people in New York, "welcome to the club". I live on the west coast and Seattle had the worst snow storm in recorded history last year.

So where is Al Gore? I imagine he is currently inspecting snow fall levels in Rio de Janerio.

Preemptive disclamer. I am just joking around.... a little. Snow fall is serious. Al Gore is not.

Higher temperatures will cause weather chances. So you're saying there aren't any weather changes happening with the hotter waters in the Pacific sending up more moister then normal to the north, therefore more snow.

Paul

:) :) :)

[The Fallen Serpent]

This is something I do not get.... Why do people base their support in the science of AGW behind a politician? Why do people focus their opposition to a scientific hypothesis against a politician?

I never saw an Inconvenient Truth and I have no plan to. He was a good politician, a good civic leader and is a good journalist but ultimately he is not a climate scientist. The science was available before his movie and activism. The science still remains separate from his activism. I am somewhat saddened to have it reinforced that humans must be emotionally pleaded to be convinced of a scientific conclusion.

[Bill Thompson]

Higher temperatures will cause weather chances. So you're saying there aren't any weather changes happening with the hotter waters in the Pacific sending up more moister then normal to the north, therefore more snow.

Paul

:) :) :)

You mean like in the movie "the Day After Tomorrow" which ended in an ice age?

[Darth Rotor]

My mom is dead. I hope he is.
My original bad joke was "wife" but I edited it out to "never mind" to allow you to fill in the blank.

Interesting how you did that.

DR

[Paulhoff]

You mean like in the movie "the Day After Tomorrow" which ended in an ice age?
No, like in real weather that is happening.

Paul

:) :) :)

[Shalamar]

Where is Al Gore? Has anyone heard or seen him lately?

The snow storm in the East is the greatest in recorded history.

I have to tell people in New York, "welcome to the club". I live on the west coast and Seattle had the worst snow storm in recorded history last year.

So where is Al Gore? I imagine he is currently inspecting snow fall levels in Rio de Janerio.

Preemptive disclamer. I am just joking around.... a little. Snow fall is serious. Al Gore is not.

Bad storms in the North East. Correct.

Bad Winter EARLY last year in Seattle. Correct.

But you're being rather dishonest here, aren't you Bill? Seattle just had the warmest January on Record. (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010948491_apwawarmjanuary.html) Why did you leave that out?

By your reasoning, Snow= NO GLOBAL WARMING! Then.. Warm Seattle.. mean.. Yes Global Warming?

Weather =/= Climate.

[steve s]

The snow storm in the East is the greatest in recorded history.


Yeah, so what? You seem to think that the colder it gets, the more likely it is to snow. Not true. The south pole averages about one inch of snow per year. St. Louis averages about 18 inches. Which place is colder?

When you understand why St. Louis gets more snow than the south pole, you'll understand why this storm does nothing to discredit the fact that the earth is warming.

ETA: During the height of the storm I looked at a weather service website that showed the current temperatures. Most of the places that were getting buried were between about 27-31 degrees F. That's hardly what I would call bitterly cold temperatures.


Steve S.

[KingMerv00]

eh???

which snow storm was the worst in recorded history?

To be fair, first blizzard was the second biggest in Philadelphia history. The second blizzard put us well over the top for the snowiest winter.

Where is Al Gore? Has anyone heard or seen him lately?

The snow storm in the East is the greatest in recorded history.

I have to tell people in New York, "welcome to the club". I live on the west coast and Seattle had the worst snow storm in recorded history last year.

So where is Al Gore? I imagine he is currently inspecting snow fall levels in Rio de Janerio.

Preemptive disclamer. I am just joking around.... a little. Snow fall is serious. Al Gore is not.

I haven't looked at the evidence (or lack thereof) for AGW so I don't have an opinion about it either way. That being said, the point you are trying to make is irrelevant. Those who claim AGW exists are saying that worldwide temperature will increase 2C over 100 years. (My numbers may be off. Feel free to correct me.) During that 100 years, it is only natural to expect localized temperature fluctuations.

If you are going to debunk a claim, make sure you debunk the right claim.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Maybe I exaggerate but the snow storm here was the largest in memory.
And people are saying the one in New York is the largest. I do not know if they mean the largest in history or not.

As long as your memory is short.

At any rate, "global warming" is really a term for the global effect of climate change. You can't refute it by pointing to a single weather event.

ETA: I just cited this on another thread too:

Homer: See, Lisa, looks like tomorrow I'll be shoveling ten feet of global warming.

Lisa: Global warming can cause weather at both extremes, hot and cold.

Homer: I see, so you're saying warming makes it colder. Well aren't you the queen of crazy land. Everything the's opposite of everything.

[JoeTheJuggler]

During the height of the storm I looked at a weather service website that showed the current temperatures. Most of the places that were getting buried were between about 27-31 degrees F. That's hardly what I would call bitterly cold temperatures.


Indeed. On one of these threads recently, someone pointed out that warmer temperatures can result in more water in the atmosphere (which falls as rain and snow). So in fact, global warming could explain greater snowfall. (Also, as has been pointed out, decreased precipitation elsewhere.)

[Cleon]

My great-grandfather passed away about ten years ago, at the ripe old age of 101. He smoked cigars his entire life.

Pointing to a snowstorm as "evidence" that AGW is false is like pointing to my great-grandfather as "evidence" that smoking is harmless. It only serves to show that you don't understand the issue at all.

If AGW "skeptics" want to be taken seriously, this is precisely the wrong approach.

[cwalner]

Well, I for one have seen a marked drop in both winter and summer temperatures and rise in precipitation over the last two years compared to the 30 years previous. This therefore proves that the globe is cooling, not warming.


The fact that two years ago I moved from Las Vegas, NV to Indianapolis, IN is purely coincidental and has no effect on these scientific observations

[Thunder]

a world-wide average increase of temperature of 2 degrees could have a dramatic effects on the world's glaciers. if they melt, or even half of them melt, sea levels will rise several feet, the Earth's warm water circulation system could be dramatically altered, and the climate of the Earth could be effected even more.

2 degrees could lead to much worse changes. it would be a very vicious cycle that we would be unable to stop.

AGQ deniers love to forget how very delicate our planet is and how seemingly little causes can have very dramatic effects.

[The Fallen Serpent]

Also part of the problem is the rapid rate of rising temperatures. If the temperature rose 2 degrees over a millenium it is easier to adjust to the changing reality than if it happens over a century. The balance can shift, but rapid sudden changes cause massive sudden side effects.

[casebro]

But El Nino and La Nina do NOT change the temperature of the world. They only release heat from the Pacific, or put heat back in. Their effects are NOT part of global warming.

They have been around for a long, long time. So E.N. & L.N. are not an effect of AGW either.

But what happened to all those hurricane that were predicted as part of Global Warming? Pretty diddly since the year of Katrina.

Seems to me that the normal EN/LN cycle is lots more powerful than AGW...

[Cobalt]

What are you all doing? The OP was properly addressed back in post 4:

Who cares?

[Sporanox]

huh?

I don't know if you can or not. Why ask me?

Because you start threads with little or no basis to back them up, which makes swatting them down about as easy as slapping flies.

In any case, all of this will be rendered moot in a few decades since the Chinese never intend to do anything substantial about carbon emissions, we probably won't either, and it would take over a millennium to erase the effects of our carbon spewing even if the entire world went back to the Stone Age tomorrow. In short, if the AGW people are right, we're all incontrovertibly doomed and my backyard will soon become valuable beachfront property.

[Sporanox]

Of course, I highly generalize when I attribute alarmism to all AGW proponents - seeing as the IPCC is on the verge of being displaced now for what amounts to distasteful sources.

[quixotecoyote]

That's funny. Tell me another.

[Sporanox]

That's funny. Tell me another.

India forms new climate change body (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7157590/India-forms-new-climate-change-body.html)

Dr Pachauri had dismissed challenges like these as based on “voodoo science”, but last night Mr Ramesh effectively marginalized the IPC chairman even further.

He announced the Indian government will established a separate National Institute of Himalayan Glaciology to monitor the effects of climate change on the world’s ‘third ice cap’, and an ‘Indian IPCC’ to use ‘climate science’ to assess the impact of global warming throughout the country.

It certainly seems like some people are trying.