"Amega Wand" Chrystal/Mineral healing scam

[alawaiman]

My father has come to me with this new product called "Amega" which is an item that contains special minerals or chrystals. "wanding" it over someone's area of pain or illness aparantly heals it. I think it is a scam and should go through the million dollar challenge because I have seen no scientific evidence of such a device. It sounds like a scam to me, especially since each wand costs $250.

check amega global's website and tell me what you think.

[Akhenaten]

I think you have a great deal to learn about:

1. The philosophy of the MDC.

2. How the MDC works.

3. The purpose of this sub-forum.

4. The requirement for evidence in this Forum.

5 The reasons that 'argument from incredulity' is a logical fallacy.

6. The correct, polite way to request feedback from the members of this Forum.

7. The correct spelling of 'crystals'.

8. The importance of 'first impressions'.


Doubtless you will learn many of these things once your thread has been moved to the correct sub-forum. Shouldn't be long.


Cheers,

Waenre

[Madalch]

My father has come to me with this new product called "Amega" which is an item that contains special minerals or chrystals. "wanding" it over someone's area of pain or illness aparantly heals it. I think it is a scam and should go through the million dollar challenge because I have seen no scientific evidence of such a device. It sounds like a scam to me, especially since each wand costs $250.

check amega global's website and tell me what you think.
I'm pretty sure that it is a scam, but I doubt they'd try to apply for the challenge. For one thing, the manufacturers know it won't win (since their product is a scam), and for another, they make far more money selling it to gullible people.

[Akhenaten]

Here's a testimonial from the Australian version of the site (exactly as it appears):


Hi my name is Mark Krivokuca 18 years of age, living on the Gold Coast of Australia and I am a Tennis Player and Coach. Usually after a few sets of tennis I would start to feel very tired. However since I started using Amega Global products, my Energy  has increased phenomenally. I am now able to run more and do extreme exercises longer, with very little fatigue. It is quite extraordinary, as I now feel Supercharged with increased Energy, more active and hitting Aces all day long. Thanks Amega Global, for helping me achieve a Winning formula.





No matter what else, I definitely need some more Energy  

Perhaps if the author was more Supercharged with increased Energy   he/she would have the Winning formula for editing the HTML more carefully.

I suspect they aren't quite the real deal. Just a suspicion, mind.

[sadhatter]

I think you have a great deal to learn about:

1. The philosophy of the MDC.

2. How the MDC works.

3. The purpose of this sub-forum.

4. The requirement for evidence in this Forum.

5 The reasons that 'argument from incredulity' is a logical fallacy.

6. The correct, polite way to request feedback from the members of this Forum.

7. The correct spelling of 'crystals'.

8. The importance of 'first impressions'.


Doubtless you will learn many of these things once your thread has been moved to the correct sub-forum. Shouldn't be long.


Cheers,

Waenre

I am all for calling out an idiot when one wanders in. But Mrs Manners is gearing up to break down your door.

This poster simply seems a bit new to the MDC and possibly dosn't spend a great deal of time in skeptical forums, so they don't realize that poor spelling is very frowned upon. Their post may have been a bit hard to read due to some grammar and spelling mistakes, but for the first reply to their first post, that is a bit ....unfriendly.

[Akhenaten]

When I first joined the Forum, I lurked for an entire year without posting.

I read the MA and the various FAQs and help files, and visited all the sub-forums, reading and learning from the more experienced posters.

I did this because I was aware of the high standards I knew that the JREF held itself to and the last thing I wanted to do was embarrass myself in such august company.

It's quite likely that a year is a bit excessive. It's even more likely, however, that 2 minutes is not enough.

I hope that my 'bit unfriendly' will encourage the new poster to find a compromise solution somewhere between these two extremes.

Frankly, I find this:



check amega global's website and tell me what you think.





to also be a bit unfriendly, and I crafted my response in what I thought to be a style appropriate for that demand from a newcomer.

Your mileage may vary.


Akhenaten


ETA: I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but the OP was originally made in the MDC sub-forum.

[Hokulele]

This poster simply seems a bit new to the MDC and possibly dosn't spend a great deal of time in skeptical forums...


I thought the poster sounded like an advertisement (description of the product, cost, and website plug), but YMMV.

[Madalch]

Does it come with Olpha?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Does it come with Olpha?

Is it made by Oompa-Loompas?

[bigtim]

Yeah, I presume such newbie posts like this are nothing more than attemps to drive up web-site stats.

[Hokulele]

Yeah, I presume such newbie posts like this are nothing more than attemps to drive up web-site stats.


OK, I was bored and Googled a bit.

Most of the Amega Global products work off of the foundation of zero point energy. If you don’t know what zero point energy is (and neither did I when I first heard of it), it is defined as: “the infinite, formless, non-frequency energy that contains all potential in the Cosmos’ quantum vacuum. When this energy is condensed down into matter, information is stored in the molecular structures and has vibratory frequency, commonly known as the electromagnetic spectrum”

Mized® Fusion Technology is a process that changes the structure of molecules and charges matter to give off a zero point energy force that is called AMized® resonance. This allows your body to be able to access the healing energy from within itself. It helps to balance the energy in your body and bring everything such as mental, emotional, physical and even spiritual into a unison.

Now unless your a scientist, let me put it into plain English for you. When you use a product that has been charged with zero point energy, it reminds your body cells “where they came from”. In other words, it reminds them that they were once healthy cells and to return to such a state. Thus, it puts the body in a favorable state to return to ”source” from within and subside the pain that it is having. Getting rid of pain is not the only benefit that coming in contact with zero point energy could afford you.


:eusa_eh:

[Stray Cat]

As the OP hasn't stuck around to read any responses since posting, I'm presuming it's spam.

[Fnord]

Hmm ... buzzwords check out ...

balance the energy
electromagnetic spectrum
fusion technology
healing energy
non-frequency energy
quantum vacuum
resonance
spiritual
vibratory frequency
zero point energy

There's at least one "Your / You're" error.

But there's no bolding, italics, underlines, CAPS LOCK, colours or multiple-sized fonts.

Can't be real.

[Fnord]

As the OP hasn't stuck around to read any responses since posting, I'm presuming it's spam.

Maybe he felt that at least one response was too hostile to merit sticking around.

[Stray Cat]

Maybe he felt that at least one response was too hostile to merit sticking around.
Then perhaps he/she should charge him/herself up with one of those wands in order to be able to counter the negative force of the sceptic power.

[Alley Cat]

I am all for calling out an idiot when one wanders in. But Mrs Manners is gearing up to break down your door.

This poster simply seems a bit new to the MDC and possibly dosn't spend a great deal of time in skeptical forums, so they don't realize that poor spelling is very frowned upon. Their post may have been a bit hard to read due to some grammar and spelling mistakes, but for the first reply to their first post, that is a bit ....unfriendly.

Yes, I agree. I think some of the old lags who've responded here are the victims of some serious bullying elsewhere in this playground and have forgotten how to play nicely.

I'm ashamed for them.

WELCOME Alawaiman :)

[Akhenaten]

Yes, I agree. I think some of the old lags who've responded here are the victims of some serious bullying elsewhere in this playground and have forgotten how to play nicely.

I'm ashamed for them.

WELCOME Alawaiman :)





Well, for my own part, I can but acknowledge your vast experience here and hope that one day I might aspire to attaining similar insights into the history of the other contributors.

[Alley Cat]

Well, for my own part, I can but acknowledge your vast experience here and hope that one day I might aspire to attaining similar insights into the history of the other contributors.

You're welcome ;)

[Ladewig]

Most of the Amega Global products work off of the foundation of zero point energy. If you don’t know what zero point energy is (and neither did I when I first heard of it), it is defined as: “the infinite, formless, non-frequency energy that contains all potential in the Cosmos’ quantum vacuum. When this energy is condensed down into matter, information is stored in the molecular structures and has vibratory frequency, commonly known as the electromagnetic spectrum”

Mized® Fusion Technology is a process that changes the structure of molecules and charges matter to give off a zero point energy force that is called AMized® resonance. This allows your body to be able to access the healing energy from within itself. It helps to balance the energy in your body and bring everything such as mental, emotional, physical and even spiritual into a unison.

Now unless your a scientist, let me put it into plain English for you. When you use a product that has been charged with zero point energy, it reminds your body cells “where they came from”. In other words, it reminds them that they were once healthy cells and to return to such a state. Thus, it puts the body in a favorable state to return to ”source” from within and subside the pain that it is having. Getting rid of pain is not the only benefit that coming in contact with zero point energy could afford you.

My first response was to label it as gibberish, but then I realized that the whole thing was worded to not run afoul of any government regulations related to false advertising claims. In any case, it is too nonsensical to even be classified as wrong.

[AvalonXQ]

Maybe he felt that at least one response was too hostile to merit sticking around.

I wouldn't blame him.

[Akhenaten]

I am all for calling out an idiot when one wanders in. But Mrs Manners is gearing up to break down your door.

This poster simply seems a bit new to the MDC and possibly dosn't spend a great deal of time in skeptical forums, so they don't realize that poor spelling is very frowned upon. Their post may have been a bit hard to read due to some grammar and spelling mistakes, but for the first reply to their first post, that is a bit ....unfriendly.





Maybe he felt that at least one response was too hostile to merit sticking around.





Yes, I agree. I think some of the old lags who've responded here are the victims of some serious bullying elsewhere in this playground and have forgotten how to play nicely.

I'm ashamed for them.

WELCOME Alawaiman :)





I wouldn't blame him.





Have a look at the time the OP was made.

Have a look at the poster's profile, noting especially the 'last activity' bit.

Notice anything?

[Stray Cat]

Have a look at the poster's profile, noting especially the 'last activity' bit.

Notice anything?

I'm with you on that one... I checked that out yesterday:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5636241&postcount=12

[Alley Cat]

Oooh! You're so cynical on here.

It's still no excuse to be unfriendly.

I'm always nice to people and chunks of meat.

[Alley Cat]

... well. Maybe Shirley is an exception to my rule :boggled:

[sadhatter]

Yes, I agree. I think some of the old lags who've responded here are the victims of some serious bullying elsewhere in this playground and have forgotten how to play nicely.

I'm ashamed for them.

WELCOME Alawaiman :)

Um i said a bit unfriendly , not that they were scum of the earth that require sympathetic shame.

[Wolrab]

Have a very happy 2674th Akhenaten! (or is it 2676? I forget)

[Hokulele]

Maybe he felt that at least one response was too hostile to merit sticking around.


Considering that his/her profile indicates he/she couldn't have read at least one response (he/she left immediately after posting and hasn't been back), I consider this to be unlikely.

[Wolrab]

Have a very happy 2674th Akhenaten! (or is it 2676? I forget)
Oops...my bad....that would be when you called it a wrap.

[rjh01]

I think he is a school kid. Need to wait until it is his turn to be one the computer again. If it was spam then the same spam would be with several similar forums and it is not.

I think we should just let this thread die until he comes back.

[Akhenaten]

Have a very happy 2674th Akhenaten! (or is it 2676? I forget)





I get a little fuzzy on the details myself. I wonder if an Amega Wand (chrystal powered) would help to improve my memory.

Many thanks, Wolrab.

:)


Considering that his/her profile indicates he/she couldn't have read at least one response (he/she left immediately after posting and hasn't been back), I consider this to be unlikely.





Funny that. It's almost like us shameful, cynical old lags had checked that out before we made any comment in order to avoid embarrassing ourselves by being a bit unfriendly.


I think he is a school kid. Need to wait until it is his turn to be one the computer again. If it was spam then the same spam would be with several similar forums and it is not.

I think we should just let this thread die until he comes back.





Not too sure, rjh. I wonder what the more experienced posters think.

[alawaiman]

To the people who have viewed or responded to this post,

First of all , I would like to apologize for any feelings I may have hurt or anyone I may have offended(Akhenaten) by not using the "spell check" tool on my post. It was very late at night and I had just finished work. My father was rambling on about this new product and I had my suspicions. I have been a fan of James Randi for a few years now an have quite a good understanding on how he approaches these types of situations.
The purpose of the post was just to ask if anyone has ever heard about the product and had opinions. Yes, I am new to the forum and did not expect people to fall off their chairs because I misspelled certain words. I will try to be more careful. I found it interesting how this forum became an argument on how to treat new forum members and not about the actual topic at hand.
I appreciate those who identified that certain individuals were a bit rude. I was a bit shocked myself. After all, I thought this was a forum where people have discussions and could be themselves. Seeing that this forum uses little face icons and coloring, I thought it was like any other forum. I didn't know it would be a presidential debate where every word was nitpicked. (Did I spell that one right?) hehe,

Anyways, The question still remains and I hope to see more posts and replies. Thank you for your comments up to now and hope to hear of any evidence or more significant information about this "Amega" product line.

[Sean84]

*snip*

Anyways, The question still remains and I hope to see more posts and replies. Thank you for your comments up to now and hope to hear of any evidence or more significant information about this "Amega" product line.

The question is: Will it blend?

[Stray Cat]

I have been a fan of James Randi for a few years now an have quite a good understanding on how he approaches these types of situations.
Apparently you don't.

Anyways, The question still remains and I hope to see more posts and replies. Thank you for your comments up to now and hope to hear of any evidence or more significant information about this "Amega" product line.
Because if you did, perhaps you'd realise that if there were any credible evidence to show it worked, you'd have found it by now.

[Akhenaten]

First up, my sincere apologies to you.


To the people who have viewed or responded to this post,

First of all , I would like to apologize for any feelings I may have hurt or anyone I may have offended (Akhenaten) by not using the "spell check" tool on my post.





Not at all mate. My feelings are not something I bring to the Forum. Picking on a spelling mistake was a cheap snipe at a suspected spammer, which you aren't. I reiterate my apology.



It was very late at night and I had just finished work. My father was rambling on about this new product and I had my suspicions. I have been a fan of James Randi for a few years now an have quite a good understanding on how he approaches these types of situations.





Not quite as cynically as me. That's why he has a famous website and I don't. The cream always rises to the top, as they say.



The purpose of the post was just to ask if anyone has ever heard about the product and had opinions.





Yeah, it's a total scam, as you correctly suspected.



Yes, I am new to the forum and did not expect people to fall off their chairs because I misspelled certain words. I will try to be more careful. I found it interesting how this forum became an argument on how to treat new forum members and not about the actual topic at hand.





We're a strange lot. None stranger than me. Although, in fairness to myself, 'falling off chairs' is a tad over the top.

None the less. I hope you took notes, because you will find that it's ever thus.



I appreciate those who identified that certain individuals were a bit rude. I was a bit shocked myself. After all, I thought this was a forum where people have discussions and could be themselves.





There's a nasty undercurrent of telling it like it is here. It has advantages.



Seeing that this forum uses little face icons and coloring, I thought it was like any other forum. I didn't know it would be a presidential debate where every word was nitpicked. (Did I spell that one right?) hehe,





:)



Anyways, The question still remains and I hope to see more posts and replies. Thank you for your comments up to now and hope to hear of any evidence or more significant information about this "Amega" product line.






Sincere replies are being crafted, even as you read this.


Again, my apologies

Notwithstanding that, the points in my initial response to you are still valid.


Welcome to Thunderdome, and long may you enjoy your time here.



ETA: Also, what Stray Cat said. I'm just being a bit mellow at the moment :)

[rjh01]

<snip>

Not too sure, rjh. I wonder what the more experienced posters think.

Is there any doubt now? I stick to my post.

Back to the OP. There are many scams. Far too many for a handful of skeptics to debunk. However it is not up to these people to debunk them. It is up to the people who promote these things to provide the evidence that they work. The question you must ask is 'have they provided that evidence?'

[Akhenaten]

Agreed rjh.

The person bringing a new claim here has the responsibilty for doing the initial reasearch.

Getting us to do it is kinda cheating.


Regards, as always.

[rjh01]

They come here ask a question and then after they have the answer they leave. It would be much better if they got the answer because we taught them how to do a search and get the answer. Then when they get another similar issue they know how to find the answer themselves.

[alawaiman]

Apparently you don't.


Because if you did, perhaps you'd realise that if there were any credible evidence to show it worked, you'd have found it by now.

Tell me Mr. Cat, what is the purpose of a forum? Discussion, experience, opinions maybe? Or is it a place for people like you to be selfrighteous and critisize others. If thats what it is for you, then I suggest you take a step back and think about what you are doing.

I am looking for anyone who has personal experience with the product, have talked to friends who have used it, or have testimonials. Obviously no one here knows anyone who uses the product, so I assume it is still small time and has not quite spread around the general public. That's the answer I was looking for.

[Akhenaten]

Tell me Mr. Cat, what is the purpose of a forum? Discussion, experience, opinions maybe? Or is it a place for people like you to be selfrighteous and critisize others. If thats what it is for you, then I suggest you take a step back and think about what you are doing.

I am looking for anyone who has personal experience with the product, have talked to friends who have used it, or have testimonials. Obviously no one here knows anyone who uses the product, so I assume it is still small time and has not quite spread around the general public. That's the answer I was looking for.





And yours is the answer I was looking for.

I think perhaps I might refer you back to Post #2.


Byee!


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/209954b06e8b167056.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=18240)

[Stray Cat]

Tell me Mr. Cat, what is the purpose of a forum? Discussion, experience, opinions maybe? Or is it a place for people like you to be selfrighteous and critisize others. If thats what it is for you, then I suggest you take a step back and think about what you are doing.
The purpose of a sceptics forum is to be sceptical about extraordinary claims that come along without extraordinary evidence to back them up.

I am looking for anyone who has personal experience with the product, have talked to friends who have used it, or have testimonials.
Then you would need a new age, hippy, crystal lickers forum.

Obviously no one here knows anyone who uses the product, so I assume it is still small time and has not quite spread around the general public. That's the answer I was looking for.
Maybe no one here uses the product because it is unsubstantiated woo that doesn't really work for anything except extracting the money from gullible people's pockets.

But if you can find any evidence to show that it does work or how it works, then I'm sure there will be plenty of people here (myself included) that will look into it.

Until then...

[Sledge]

You came to a skeptics forum to find people who've used a magical crystal healing wand? Good luck with that.

[Stray Cat]

You came to a skeptics forum to find people who've used a magical crystal healing wand? Good luck with that.
My dowsing pendulum told me the wand didn't work so I passed the opportunity to buy one for myself :)

[Sledge]

I was going to buy one until Derren Brown used NLP techniques to convince me it was a bad idea. That man has POWERS.

[applecorped]

And yours is the answer I was looking for.

I think perhaps I might refer you back to Post #2.


Byee!


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/209954b06e8b167056.gif


:hbd::hbd::hbd::hbd::bigclap:bigclap:bigclap:bigcl ap:dc_biggrin::dc_biggrin::dc_biggrin::dc_biggrin: :dc_biggrin::dc_biggrin:

[alawaiman]

It seems that people here think that I am looking for people to prove that the product works, but in actuality it is the opposite. I am a skeptic and don't believe in any type of psychic powers or supernatural healing products. I just wanted information from people who knew if the wand was tested or willing to be tested or anything of that nature. I just wanted to know people's "first hand" experience. Obviously there isn't any. Maybe there are many many many products out there like this and this is one of a million and you guys are use to seeing things like this. Maybe the forum is only for issues, items, or people that claim to have evidence. If so, I am sorry and didn't know. I just had a rather simple question and it seems no one knows of the product. Thanks for letting me know.:relieved:

[JimBenArm]

Smegma wands can heal?
Wow, who knew?

[rjh01]

It seems that people here think that I am looking for people to prove that the product works, but in actuality it is the opposite. I am a skeptic and don't believe in any type of psychic powers or supernatural healing products. I just wanted information from people who knew if the wand was tested or willing to be tested or anything of that nature. I just wanted to know people's "first hand" experience. Obviously there isn't any. Maybe there are many many many products out there like this and this is one of a million and you guys are use to seeing things like this. Maybe the forum is only for issues, items, or people that claim to have evidence. If so, I am sorry and didn't know. I just had a rather simple question and it seems no one knows of the product. Thanks for letting me know.:relieved:

If you want testimonials I am sure you can find heaps on the site's web page. They might be all invented and 100% useless. But if that is what you want then you can have it.

Or there might be people who have tried it and found that whatever they used it for went away shortly after they used it. Is that evidence that the product worked? No. Most things cure themselves.

[Akhenaten]

You came to a skeptics forum to find people who've used a magical crystal healing wand? Good luck with that.





I might just add my good luck wishes to a brand new poster who believes that criticism of his/her posts is best dealt with by sending abusive PMs to his/her detractors.

That'll end well.


No, wait . . .

[alawaiman]

I might just add my good luck wishes to a brand new poster who believes that criticism of his/her posts is best dealt with by sending abusive PMs to his/her detractors.

That'll end well.


No, wait . . .


And what of people who lie?

[Audible Click]

I might just add my good luck wishes to a brand new poster who believes that criticism of his/her posts is best dealt with by sending abusive PMs to his/her detractors.

That'll end well.


No, wait . . .

I'd venture to say that sending abusive PM's to posters it not the way to do "research" on the Amega wand. Is it that he/she only wants positive feedback on this?

[alawaiman]

I'd venture to say that sending abusive PM's to posters it not the way to do "research" on the Amega wand. Is it that he/she only wants positive feedback on this?

I thought I was clear when I explained that I don't believe in this product and that it should take the $1 million challenge to prove that it is a fake and stop taking people's money. These products are extremely expensive and I'm disappointed that people I know are buying it. But I guess there are so many things that need to take the $1 million challenge that it would take too much time and resources for the JREF to pose challenges to people/products and instead wait for people to challenge the JREF.

I didn't send an abusive PM BTW. I told him that if he didn't like my post, he should ignore it.

[Akhenaten]

I thought I was clear when I explained that I don't believe in this product and that it should take the $1 million challenge to prove that it is a fake and stop taking people's money. These products are extremely expensive and I'm disappointed that people I know are buying it. But I guess there are so many things that need to take the $1 million challenge that it would take too much time and resources for the JREF to pose challenges to people/products and instead wait for people to challenge the JREF.

I didn't send an abusive PM BTW. I told him that if he didn't like my post, he should ignore it.



my bolding

I think you have a great deal to learn about:

1. The philosophy of the MDC.

2. How the MDC works.
3. The purpose of this sub-forum.

4. The requirement for evidence in this Forum.

5 The reasons that 'argument from incredulity' is a logical fallacy.

6. The correct, polite way to request feedback from the members of this Forum.

7. The correct spelling of 'crystals'.

8. The importance of 'first impressions'.


Doubtless you will learn many of these things once your thread has been moved to the correct sub-forum. Shouldn't be long.


Cheers,

Waenre





Try and restrict your responses to the thread will you? PMs are for a completely different purpose.

[rjh01]

alawaiman. That is the problem with the MDC. A person who has a product that is eligible for the challenge must apply to the JREF. Anyone with such a product should know that the product does not work. Hence they will do anything except apply.


Edit. Please read this http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

[alawaiman]

Even though it takes a lot to do the MDC and it will expire soon, I still wish we had enough resources to be proactive and approach parties with the challenge. I find it amazing that people with these products/claims don't line up for the MDC because it just proves that these are scams. I know it's an old story, yet millions will go on believing strange things because they wish it to be real; not the other way around. So sad

[alawaiman]

[QUOTE=rjh01;5649475]alawaiman. That is the problem with the MDC. A person who has a product that is eligible for the challenge must apply to the JREF. Anyone with such a product should know that the product does not work. Hence they will do anything except apply.



Agreed, but Randi himself said that many of these people are self deluded in which they actually believe. They somehow brainwashed themselves. So for those people, why don't they do the MDC?

[Czarcasm]

The people buying the product may be deluded, but the people manufacturing the product know damn well what it does or does not do, and they are the ones that must(but will never) apply. We can't force them to do so.

[AvalonXQ]

The people buying the product may be deluded, but the people manufacturing the product know damn well what it does or does not do, and they are the ones that must(but will never) apply.

I have no evidence one way or the other, but I would expect that the manufacturers probably do believe in the product.

[quarky]

In some ways, these things can work...by engaging a person's confirmation biases and placebo-readiness.

In that regard, the more expensive, the better.

The knock-off version I made at home for free, for instance, didn't work at all.

[Akhenaten]

I have no evidence one way or the other, but I would expect that the manufacturers probably do believe in the product.





Cool. You're just the person I've been looking for.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

[Hokulele]

I have no evidence one way or the other, but I would expect that the manufacturers probably do believe in the product.


Which is why they sell it as a pyramid scheme.


Wait...

[AvalonXQ]

Cool. You're just the person I've been looking for.

Would you like to buy a bridge?

See, the problem is, I'm a person likely to believe that you believe you own the bridge. I'm not a person likely to believe that you actually own it.

[Akhenaten]

See, the problem is, I'm a person likely to believe that you believe you own the bridge. I'm not a person likely to believe that you actually own it.





Good-oh. I understand the distinction there, although I don't know that the immediate course of action to be followed in either case would be all that different.

I'm sure I have a fuller answer than that, but I need to think about it for a bit before I try and type it out.

The question of honest delusion vs scammer seems to come up a lot in this forum, and I'm genuinely interested in exchanging views with you about it, so I'll try and make sure that I express my own as clearly as possible from the outset.

I'll get back to you as soon as I can.


Cheers.

[moneca.ca]

hi, i am responding to your inquiry of the amega wand. i got mine about two weeks ago and i love my wand. jesus, everyone is jumpy on this. how would you feel if you had to sell a wand. what in the right mind person would admit that they bought a wand.
i saw the grey hairs in the room and said to myself, eh, if these sane looking people says it works, i better listen. what the heck, if i dont like it, i will send it back. if it does what it says, i can flog the bejesus out of this.

the first day, i was stressed cause i had heard from friends and business associates who did not want me to do the wand that it did not work. if it did, it was not effective. can you imagine how i felt. rats, i have been taken. i will send it back.

i wore the thing for a day and i was feeling good. by the second day i was full on electric with energy. i was so grateful that i tried it out. i am sold, lock stock and barrel. thank god! now i am the number one on google search for amega wand and vancouver. i am hoping that one day i will be number one for canada and the states. it is so much fun.

now i have to get my hands on the pendant. the demand is overwhelming. people are calling from everywhere to join. yahoo! moneca.ca

[Sean84]

cool story ad, bro

[Stray Cat]

hi, i am responding to your inquiry of the amega wand. i got mine about two weeks ago and i love my wand. jesus, everyone is jumpy on this. how would you feel if you had to sell a wand. what in the right mind person would admit that they bought a wand.

Yes, I see your point. Totally.

[JoeyDonuts]

Zero-Point Energy?!?

Are you freaking serious? It's like they watched a few episodes of Stargate Atlantis and then the Beastmaster movie...annnnd Healing Product!

Nothing in that word salad of pseudoscientific gobbledygook passes for even competent science fiction, let alone making a claim of product effectiveness.

Figures that a shill would be showing up before too long. From the sounds of things, this is an MLM combined with alt-med crap.

I don't doubt people are lining up to buy it. Stupidity and wishful thinking unfortunately trump common sense every time. Nobody ever notices the federally-mandated "This product is not approved to treat or prevent any disease" disclaimer and wonder "Huh? Why's that? I should check into this further."

While you're at it, moneca - can you hook me up with some Kevin Trudeau books, some Monavie...I'll take a couple cases of Supple, Dr. Pewty's Elixir Of Poifunous Vipers, and a three-month training certificate to Yellow Bamboo Martial Arts.

[Akhenaten]

What an interesting thread.

[Stray Cat]

It's Bloomin' Likely I Maybe Persuaded to agree there Akhenaten

[Dockie]

hi, i am responding to your inquiry of the amega wand. i got mine about two weeks ago and i love my wand. jesus, everyone is jumpy on this. how would you feel if you had to sell a wand. what in the right mind person would admit that they bought a wand.
i saw the grey hairs in the room and said to myself, eh, if these sane looking people says it works, i better listen. what the heck, if i dont like it, i will send it back. if it does what it says, i can flog the bejesus out of this.

the first day, i was stressed cause i had heard from friends and business associates who did not want me to do the wand that it did not work. if it did, it was not effective. can you imagine how i felt. rats, i have been taken. i will send it back.

i wore the thing for a day and i was feeling good. by the second day i was full on electric with energy. i was so grateful that i tried it out. i am sold, lock stock and barrel. thank god! now i am the number one on google search for amega wand and vancouver. i am hoping that one day i will be number one for canada and the states. it is so much fun.

now i have to get my hands on the pendant. the demand is overwhelming. people are calling from everywhere to join. yahoo! moneca.ca


Wow..... yeah...... hummm......... Sounds err, kind of, well, like, amazing...

Why didn't your friend and business partners want you to "do the wand"? Out of concern for you or a dastardly plan to have it all to themselves?
If the latter, well, you certainly showed them, didn't you?

Can "The Wand" be used on pets and other domestic animals?

"Full on electric with energy"? Isn't that dangerous? And only on the second day!! Did your girlfriend\wife\partner notice?

You really sell this stuff??

Next the pendant!!?? And then what??


The blimp? sorry...

[Sledge]

Does anyone else feel they'd be slightly more likely to pay attention to spambots if they used proper spelling, grammar and punctuation? Ok, I still wouldn't buy anything from them, but it might take an extra second or two to go "Spambot. Jeez, how stupid do they think we are?"

[Akhenaten]

Does anyone else feel they'd be slightly more likely to pay attention to spambots if they used proper spelling, grammar and punctuation? Ok, I still wouldn't buy anything from them, but it might take an extra second or two to go "Spambot. Jeez, how stupid do they think we are?"





Unfortunately, for certain values of 'us' the answer is 'quite a bit' and they wouldn't be entirely wrong.

I don't believe I'll be posting any examples, but I might point out that I wouldn't need to go to far to find some.

[Toke]

If testimonials is enough to convince you of a products effectiveness, why go for something like a wand.
There are plenty of older stuff around, particularly assorted crystals.
They cost a lot less than 250$.

Some of those magic stones are just polished pebbles, you could find some unpolished ones in many driveways for free.

[Sledge]

Unfortunately, for certain values of 'us' the answer is 'quite a bit' and they wouldn't be entirely wrong.

I don't believe I'll be posting any examples, but I might point out that I wouldn't need to go to far to find some.

I was thinking of us more as the enlightened, brilliant members of the JREF forums. Then I had a look at some of the bilge posted here and was forced to concede the point. :(

[Akhenaten]

Unfortunately, for certain values of 'us' the answer is 'quite a bit' and they wouldn't be entirely wrong.

I don't believe I'll be posting any examples, but I might point out that I wouldn't need to go to far to find some.





I was thinking of us more as the enlightened, brilliant members of the JREF forums. Then I had a look at some of the bilge posted here and was forced to concede the point. :(





I think your initial speculations are more-or-less correct.

When I said that I wouldn't have to go far, I was referring to those morons a couple of threads over from this one.

Apologies for the confusion.

;)

[Sledge]

I think we all know who you mean. :D

[Akhenaten]

Cool! Telepathy!

I must submit an MDC challenge.

[Hokulele]

Pyramid. Scheme.

Argh, it is adposts like these that make me want to stab out my eyes with a magical crystal zero-point energy wand. Maybe then I won't need to wear glasses.

[Akhenaten]

Pyramid. Scheme.

Argh, it is adposts like these that make me want to stab out my eyes with a magical crystal zero-point energy wand. Maybe then I won't need to wear glasses.





All of us old lags are like that.

Rather than the blinding thing, which sounds a bit messy, may I recommend that you spend more time sitting in your Pyramid, chanting the mystical incantations that I can send you for only $29.95 (+ P&H)?



As seen on on TV!
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/209954b868f86039c0.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=19226)

[Hokulele]

How much would the Pyramid cost?

[Akhenaten]

Well, I prefer to build my own. How many slaves do you have?

I have some spare reedcutters here that aren't doing anything much, and they have a proven ability to cross large bodies of water without boats and stuff, so I'd be happy to lend you a few.

You'll just need to provide a few big rocks (2-3 million should do) and about 1000 lb of Electrum for the pyramidion thingy.

[Hokulele]

Ah right, I forgot about the Electrum. I am sure I can have that shipped from Amazon.com.

[Akhenaten]

Ah right, I forgot about the Electrum. I am sure I can have that shipped from Amazon.com.





I would have thought Nile.com would have more sources.



Do I get extra points for a triple-entendre?

[moneca.ca]

hi dockie,

what makes us think that we are different than animals. as a shiatsu therapist, i think that when i work on animals, i am having the same effect upon the animal as my clients and as other therapists have on me. i am connecting to the energetics of the magic of healing. as a cranial sacral therapist, i am affecting the fluid body and influencing the rhythms of the muscles and bones.

as for the wand, i am going to write an article on moneca.ca this week about the effect of the wand to change my sleeping patterns. being an insomniac for all of my life, the last 30 years, i have been instantly sleeping by midnight. cant keep my eyes open. that is really ridiculous since i have always resigned myself to a 2 am bedtime. having to be up by 7 for my kid, that is not enough sleep. last night i was so sleepy that i went to bed at 12 and i was up at seven on my own rhythms. hallelujah.

as for crystals, i am a healer for the last ten years. i am a trained lastone therapist. i collect stones. as well i have a habit of breaking stones and crystals so i dont carry them around. i have a crystal wand i paid 60 dollar for, as well as others that i have bought for other amounts. first, they are heavy. second they break. the wand is light and since it is stainless steel, it is practical as well as durable...it will last 10,000 years.

i am very aware that everything has resonance yet only when i started with my wand this month did i feel the beat of everything around me. i am not a woo woo therapist, i broke my back falling from the grand canyon in 1992 so for me, i was always invested on a physical level of training because i did not want to be lumped as a flake.
i am not a skeptic but i am open to at least seeing if i have a affiliation with a tool or a toy. i am glad that i took a look at the amega wand. it has taught me a lot. in a very short amount of time. things that people, stones and nature had not. as well as therapy schools, courses and actual on the table bodywork. wait, i take that back, i have had sessions where i was connected with the energy of prana and chi but it is not something that i could find always. either the talent of the giver was finite, they moved away or retired. the technique required time and practise which as a mother of a ten year old working mom, it is hard to find and commit too.
as a blogger, i plan to teach wand and body awareness. not to be a paramid schemer but to be paid to educate and profide a service for those who hear what i am saying and know that i do no harm in providing a tool and an outlook of life from my own personal practise of service. something i have been doing all my life.

as for the dastardly plan, the issue was that the company i wanted to work for but was not that good at was an ionizing water machine system. as the wand company has a similar system but infused with the zero point energy. get it. as a therapist, i am always looking to supplement my income to take the physical load off of my hands on manual labor. so selling things i like are part and parcel of my business model. so is sending my clients to naturapaths and yoga studios but i dont get commissions from that recommendations.

the wand business is just starting and it is interesting how many people have read my blog and want to get the wand. trained prof mlmers are finding me. people who are more into the wand are emailing me. this is more focus than i have had on any inquires about water ionizers. you know i got into ionization because i understand ph and acid/alkaline. yet i did not feel comfortable selling water systems because i am not a plumber.

as for what is next the pendant because i want continuous zero point energy on my body. a body that has researched radically since breaking my back in 1992. when i loan my wand out, i am breaking that connection and i want to do some more observation of continuous use. i got into the company mainly to test out the zero point repair blanket and in time i may get the energetics of the water system. how many ionize systems can a girl have?!?!

i guess, i could be spending money on a coach bag or a diamond ring but then i would have to get a pair of stilleto heels! nah, i think i will stick with my chung shis since i have been wearing those seven days a week for three years. i love my chung shis too!!! but i dont get a commission for recommending those either! boo hoo.

namaste.

[Stray Cat]

i am not a skeptic
Really?

[AvalonXQ]

Will the Amega wand work on your insomnia even if you're not physically touching it?
If so, we can perform a simple experiment. Have someone else place the wand in a box and a "dummy" wand (without the Amega crystals but approximately the same size and weight) into another identical box. Then randomize which of the two boxes you use for your insomnia on each day, and record whether or not it works each day.
After a few trials, you can see whether you sleep better with the wand when you can't actually tell whether or not you're using it.

[Sledge]

Will the wand have any effect on typing skills? THAT I'd be interested in.

[Akhenaten]

Miss May,* the lady teacher at Petersham Public School who taught me to write in 1959, used a ruler across my knuckles to reinforce some of the more difficult lessons.

Perhaps the Amega Wandpos could be used in a similar fashion.


*I owe her big-time. I imagine she's long-gone by now, given that she was ancient when she was my teacher but I hope I've done her proud.

[Comrade Raptor]

Well, with a rocking testimonial like that from an authentic shiatsu healer, I believe I shall get in on this medical innovation early, buy several hundred thousand of these magic wands, and then live like a king when medical science proves it's all true and everybody wants one.

What could go wrong? Nothing. It's a perfect plan, I say.

[Toke]

Well, with a rocking testimonial like that from an authentic shiatsu healer, I believe I shall get in on this medical innovation early, buy several hundred thousand of these magic wands, and then live like a king when medical science proves it's all true and everybody wants one.

What could go wrong? Nothing. It's a perfect plan, I say.

Sure, and get some of those water for gas thingies while you are at it.
They are at least as effective.:D

[Akhenaten]

Well, with a rocking testimonial like that from an authentic shiatsu healer, I believe I shall get in on this medical innovation early, buy several hundred thousand of these magic wands, and then live like a king when medical science proves it's all true and everybody wants one.

What could go wrong? Nothing. It's a perfect plan, I say.





Sounds good to me. You can store them under one of my Brooklyn Bridges if you like.

[Toke]

Sounds good to me. You can store them under one of my Brooklyn Bridges if you like.

I thought you had sold those?
Or was it only two of them.

[Akhenaten]

Well, I did have a big deal going, but it was suspended by an arch-rival to whom I owed some money after a bad run playing pontoon.

I'll get over it somehow.

[Stray Cat]

I always end up getting my wand out when I play cards...



... I really should learn not to get involved playing strip poker.

[Freethinker]

what makes us think that we are different than animals. as a shiatsu therapist, i think that when i work on animals, i am having the same effect upon the animal as my clients and as other therapists have on me.

I don't doubt this a bit.

[Akhenaten]

I always end up getting my wand out when I play cards...



... I really should learn not to get involved playing strip poker.





Nah, you just need to get better at it.

:)


I don't doubt this a bit.





Geeze, you read further than I did.

I agree with your analysis, of course.

[Stray Cat]

Nah, you just need to get better at it.

:)

I know... otherwise pretty soon there wont be a casino that'll let me back in. :eye-poppi

[Senex]

Will the Amega wand work on your insomnia even if you're not physically touching it?
If so, we can perform a simple experiment. Have someone else place the wand in a box and a "dummy" wand (without the Amega crystals but approximately the same size and weight) into another identical box. Then randomize which of the two boxes you use for your insomnia on each day, and record whether or not it works each day.
After a few trials, you can see whether you sleep better with the wand when you can't actually tell whether or not you're using it.

Miss May,* the lady teacher at Petersham Public School who taught me to write in 1959, used a ruler across my knuckles to reinforce some of the more difficult lessons.

Perhaps the Amega Wandpos could be used in a similar fashion.


Experiments and negative reinforcement -- two of my favorite things.

The writing experiment would not only provide more feedback more quickly than the sleep experiment -- but it would also avoid the bias of self-reporting. However, rapping the knuckles was discredited during the early sixties; meatier body parts have been scientifically proven as safer and more efficatious.

I could stand behind moneca with an Amega Wand and several placebo wands. Looking over her shoulder while she writes her blog post I could use the wands in random order as negative reinforcement when a new sentence has been started and the previous sentence fails to stand alone as a standard English sentence. Careful monitoring of spelling and capitalization mistakes could conclusively prove if proximity to the Amega Wand was any more beneficial than other wands.

Perhaps a positive finding can could get an invitation to this year's TAM for another test. It could prove more entertaining than the lady trying to see playing cards through envelopes.

[Akhenaten]

Well, my knuckles have toughened up some over the last half-century, and my spelling has remained fairly consistent, albeit thoroughly un-American, so for the price of an airfare I'd be more than willing to offer my services as a control in any proposed experiments.

Wooden rulers preferred, but not essential. I do tend to need a lot of negative reinforcement some days, especially before coffee.

[Akhenaten]

I know... otherwise pretty soon there wont be a casino that'll let me back in. :eye-poppi





Faites vos jeux!

[Comrade Raptor]

Sounds good to me. You can store them under one of my Brooklyn Bridges if you like.

Just because I have a brain the size of a walnut doesn't mean I'm dumb. I know there's no money in real estate now.

It's all about the wands. And possibly tulip futures. They're still big, right?

Plus I've got a hedge going on some lottery tickets. When I'm a megazillionaire, then perhaps I shall look into your bridges. And buy both of them!

That'll show you. Show you indeed.

[Akhenaten]

Mentioning tulip futures kind of tips your hand a bit. That's a pretty obscure reference for anyone but a Dutchman, and I think you're fibbing about the walnut-sized brain.

Still, I'd like to hear more about these hedges made from lottery tickets. They sound very pretty.

[Sledge]

... I knew about tulip futures, and I've never even seen a clog or banged a hooker. :(

[JimBenArm]

What's all this about wands made from smegma? I mean, gross!
I don't care if it does heal, you ain't touching me with that thing!

[Akhenaten]

... I knew about tulip futures, and I've never even seen a clog or banged a hooker. :(





You are also way excluded from the list of people with walnut-sized brains, my erudite friend.

[Akhenaten]

What's all this about wands made from smegma? I mean, gross!
I don't care if it does heal, you ain't touching me with that thing!





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[Sledge]

So I'm too clever for the smegma wand to work? :( Why must intelligence always get in the way of these fantastic innovations?

[Toke]

Mentioning tulip futures kind of tips your hand a bit. That's a pretty obscure reference for anyone but a Dutchman, and I think you're fibbing about the walnut-sized brain.

Still, I'd like to hear more about these hedges made from lottery tickets. They sound very pretty.

Tulip futures are not that obscure in Europe, and anyway it have recently been in the news (http://www.cracked.com/article_18397_5-economic-collapses-more-ridiculous-than-this-one.html).

[Comrade Raptor]

I spent the last 20 minutes trying to come up with a semi-witty follow-up, but I got nothin'. In my own defense, I'm still getting over a pretty mean flu.

And the cracked article is where I picked up the tulip reference, yes. Not for the first time, but it freshened the memory.

[Akhenaten]

Well, colour me embarrassed then.

Here I was, blissfully thinking only about six people in the world outside of the Netherlands would have heard of tulip futures, and feeling quite smug about being one of them, and now it turns out that the whole planet is discussing the subject.

I know I need to get out more, but the men in white coats keep dragging me back inside. I shall have to work on a cunning disguise. Perhaps if were to stop wearing the Double Crown and the turquoise pectoral . . .

[Madalch]

Well, colour me embarrassed then.

Here I was, blissfully thinking only about six people in the world outside of the Netherlands would have heard of tulip futures, and feeling quite smug about being one of them, and now it turns out that the whole planet is discussing the subject.

I've heard about them. But I have Dutch ancestry, so I also know about boerenkool and Boer Harms.

Just to spread the joy:

Cib8aUhfFWI

[Akhenaten]

I have no idea what that was about, but it was absolutely great, and I watched it twice.

If the spambots come back I'm going to watch it again instead of responding to them.


Thanks Madalch.

:)

[Madalch]

I have no idea what that was about, but it was absolutely great, and I watched it twice.

If the spambots come back I'm going to watch it again instead of responding to them.


Thanks Madalch.


The gist is: "I am Farmer Harms, and I come from Drenthe, and I love disco.
I know it is hard to believe, but it is so.
When I hear disco, then my legs start to dance
Then my wife says (something or other)
Without disco in my house I cannot live
You can give the other garbage to the cows/pigs/goats (depending on the verse)"

It gives me a lot more energy than a bunch of magic rocks.

ETA: Non-musical magic rocks, that is. The song itself does rock, indeed.

[Akhenaten]

Excellent!

I had another watch and sang along this time. Definitely my favourite song ever for at least the rest of this week.

:)

[quarky]

Nobody is taking the wand seriously around here.

What if I could get you one for 1/2 price?

[Akhenaten]

Wand?

[Madalch]

i am always looking to supplement my income to take the physical load off of my hands on manual labor. so selling things i like are part and parcel of my business model.

You know, if you could prove that these crystals can be distinguished from ordinary rocks by their energy, you could win $1 million (US) from James Randi.

You would need a testimonial from a real scientist, of course- well, I am a real scientist, and not too far from Vancouver. I can teach you enough about the scientific method that you could succeed in the Million Dollar Challenge- if these crystals actually work, that is.

[Stray Cat]

It'd never work Madalch... Randi keeps Kryptonite to hand to counter act any superpowers ensuring no one will ever pass the MDC

[biomorph]

hi dockie,

what makes us think that we are different than animals.


animals don't verbalise thier delusions?

as a shiatsu therapist, i think that when i work on animals, i am having the same effect upon the animal as my clients and as other therapists have on me.

sure, that is no effect whatsoever.......
i am connecting to the energetics of the magic of healing.
somehow I doubt it.

as a cranial sacral therapist, i am affecting the fluid body and influencing the rhythms of the muscles and bones.
don't believe you. I dont think your doing anything except deluding your self .

as for the wand, i am going to write an article on moneca.ca this week about the effect of the wand to change my sleeping patterns.

got any real data, thought not.

being an insomniac for all of my life, the last 30 years, i have been instantly sleeping by midnight.

you've been an insomniac all your life? you probably need some exercise to get you tired, and rest your over active imagination.
cant keep my eyes open.
even when writing this post, your eyes are still shut ,grasshopper...

that is really ridiculous since i have always resigned myself to a 2 am bedtime.
not as ridiculous what i've read here from you, deary me......

having to be up by 7 for my kid, that is not enough sleep. last night i was so sleepy that i went to bed at 12 and i was up at seven on my own rhythms. hallelujah.
So? we all do that, and not enough sleep? try working. that'll get you tired, and maybe you won't have enough time or energy to sit there scamming with your fake products.

as for crystals, i am a healer for the last ten years.

trans: i've been deluded for the last ten years.

You haven't healed anyone really.


i am a trained lastone therapist.
i collect stones. as well i have a habit of breaking stones and crystals so i dont carry them around. i have a crystal wand i paid 60 dollar for, as well as others that i have bought for other amounts. first, they are heavy. second they break. the wand is light and since it is stainless steel, it is practical as well as durable...it will last 10,000 years.

only 10,000? hey, bargain.
hope your gonna be around to honor any warranty claims......

i am very aware that everything has resonance yet only when i started with my wand this month did i feel the beat of everything around me.

so did i when i put that reggae track on.....so?


i am not a woo woo therapist,

Well , walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....

i broke my back falling from the grand canyon in 1992 so for me, i was always invested on a physical level of training because i did not want to be lumped as a flake.

ydayadayada, the word is fake, not flake, and yes your being a fake.


i am not a skeptic but i am open to at least seeing if i have a affiliation with a tool or a toy.


don't let those batteries run out lol

i am glad that i took a look at the amega wand.

so am i, saves me getting fooled too.


it has taught me a lot.

Well it would if you knew nothing to start with. what it hasn't taught you of course is to be aware you've been conned, and how to understand how.
Your post has however taught me that buyers of fraudulent claptrap cant face the reality that they've been taken for a ride. shame your wand cant do that either......

in a very short amount of time.
things that people, stones and nature had not.
because those things weren't teaching you anyway. why should they?
Not that your incapable of learning of course, lol

as well as therapy schools, courses and actual on the table bodywork. wait, i take that back, i have had sessions where i was connected with the energy of prana and chi but it is not something that i could find always. either the talent of the giver was finite, they moved away or retired. the technique required time and practise which as a mother of a ten year old working mom, it is hard to find and commit too.

on the connection thingy, how? with electrodes? hahaha....

as a blogger, i plan to teach wand and body awareness.
scammer and spammer.

not to be a paramid schemer but to be paid to educate and profide a service for those who hear what i am saying and know that i do no harm in providing a tool and an outlook of life from my own personal practise of service.

Its not a question of "do no harm" its a question of "am i fooling myself?"

something i have been doing all my life.
yup fooling yourself........thats no recommendation, all your life.
just shows your a slow learner........

as for the dastardly plan, the issue was that the company i wanted to work for but was not that good at was an ionizing water machine system. as the wand company has a similar system but infused with the zero point energy. get it. as a therapist, i am always looking to supplement my income to take the physical load off of my hands on manual labor. so selling things i like are part and parcel of my business model. so is sending my clients to naturapaths and yoga studios but i dont get commissions from that recommendations.

explain the zero point energy thing again? didn't quite catch that in your sales (scam)pitch


the wand business is just starting and it is interesting how many people have read my blog and want to get the wand. trained prof mlmers are finding me. people who are more into the wand are emailing me.
there's one born every minute.


this is more focus than i have had on any inquires about water ionizers. you know i got into ionization because i understand ph and acid/alkaline. yet i did not feel comfortable selling water systems because i am not a plumber.

Well plumbing at least is an honest trade,or at least compared with this scam. go get a real job. at least then you'd be tired enough to go to sleep. haha

as for what is next the pendant because i want continuous zero point energy on my body.

might as well keep it in tune with your zero energy brain functions too I guess..
a body that has researched radically since breaking my back in 1992. when i loan my wand out, i am breaking that connection and i want to do some more observation of continuous use. i got into the company mainly to test out the zero point repair blanket and in time i may get the energetics of the water system. how many ionize systems can a girl have?!?!
you got into it because your probably lazy, like scamming people, and believe in nonsense, simple really, ...

i guess, i could be spending money on a coach bag or a diamond ring but then i would have to get a pair of stilleto heels! you might not have spent it at all. so what?


nah, i think i will stick with my chung shis since i have been wearing those seven days a week for three years. i love my chung shis too!!! but i dont get a commission for recommending those either! boo hoo.

namaste.

funny how its all tied up with, wanting money, and trying to convince others to buy delusional claptrap.

heard it all before, stop wasting your time, get a life, get a job, get an education.

[Hokulele]

Well, colour me embarrassed then.

Here I was, blissfully thinking only about six people in the world outside of the Netherlands would have heard of tulip futures, and feeling quite smug about being one of them, and now it turns out that the whole planet is discussing the subject.


I had read about them some time ago in the Michael Pollan book, The Botany of Desire.

[Akhenaten]

1. That just sounds so much like a book that would be on your reading list.

2. A botany book by a guy named Pollan? How . . . apt.

:)

[alawaiman]

Wow, I finally came back and see the type of response I initially hoped for. But I guess it all boils down to the MDC which I doubt the owners of the "Amega" company will do, but I feel that someone who bought one of those wands should volunteer for(moneca). If you feel it works, get a legit scientist to back you up and go for it. If you truly believe, you will get recognition from skeptics and $1 mill. I honestly think skeptics admitting this thing works is worth more, although I know you will make some kind of excuse to back out of the challenge.

[Akhenaten]

Wow, I finally came back and see the type of response I initially hoped for. But I guess it all boils down to the MDC which I doubt the owners of the "Amega" company will do, but I feel that someone who bought one of those wands should volunteer for(moneca). If you feel it works, get a legit scientist to back you up and go for it. If you truly believe, you will get recognition from skeptics and $1 mill. I honestly think skeptics admitting this thing works is worth more, although I know you will make some kind of excuse to back out of the challenge.





I'm starting to take a real shine to you, alawaiman.

:)


Good on you for staying with us.

[Stray Cat]

Sorry... out of Alawaiman and Moneca who's good cop and who's bad cop?

[Sean84]

Sorry... out of Alawaiman and Moneca who's good cop and who's bad cop?

They aren't tag-teaming?

[bluesjnr]

Well this fair brightened up my day. The thread that is, not the magic wand type thing.

I can't wait for the bit where somebody (guess who) who was formerly sceptical about this gadget is converted.

[Akhenaten]

Sorry... out of Alawaiman and Moneca who's good cop and who's bad cop?





I thought they were the 'perps', and you and I were doing the GC/BC thing, although I admit, I think I've mixed that up a few times too.

Umm . . .

Truth is, the sidebar conversations are all that's keeping this thing going, but I got nothin' at the moment.

A picture might help.

Maybe The Three Amegas or A Phish Called Wanda?

Like I said, I got nothin' and I'm just tap dancing until something turns up.

Madalch is winning the thread by heaps, as far as I can tell.

[Akhenaten]

They aren't tag-teaming?





I think one of the two is quite sincere, but has badly underestimated the power of the collective. We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.



Well this fair brightened up my day. The thread that is, not the magic wand type thing.





It's the Tulips. Perfect for any occasion. Apparently they have a big future.



I can't wait for the bit where somebody (guess who) who was formerly sceptical about this gadget is converted.





I was thinking about doing the Bizzaro World thing and being converted the other way. Don't let on, 'kay?

[Stray Cat]

Maybe The Three Amegas or A Phish Called Wanda?
Very good...

... I got "Wand flew over the cookoo's nest"

[Comrade Raptor]

Well this fair brightened up my day. The thread that is, not the magic wand type thing.

I can't wait for the bit where somebody (guess who) who was formerly sceptical about this gadget is converted.


*pfft* Banishing aches and pains is kid play.


Now if it will banish Leprechauns and/or Faeries, then I might be on board. I've got squatters in my toadstools.

"Alright you deadbeat Fey creatures, it's time to pay rent or zappo!"

[Senex]

Well, my knuckles have toughened up some over the last half-century, and my spelling has remained fairly consistent, albeit thoroughly un-American, so for the price of an airfare I'd be more than willing to offer my services as a control in any proposed experiments.

Wooden rulers preferred, but not essential. I do tend to need a lot of negative reinforcement some days, especially before coffee.

I have certain standards for any control group I'm willing to put my name to. I have a vivid recollection of a photo of an Australian beach volleyball athlete flashing a sign to her partner behind her back during the Sydney olympics. She could be in my control group.

Australia has few inhabitable areas. Can I see your potential target area in this photo? (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/815316-naked-people-hug-at-sydney-opera-house-for-spencer-tunick-photo)

I have standards I must keep.

[Akhenaten]

The couple at front-centre seem 'interesting'.

Would pay to see again.



As an aside, does that photo seem fake, somehow, or is it just a depth-of-field issue making the difference in foreground/background focus seem exagerrated?

[Tanstaafl]

The people buying the product may be deluded, but the people manufacturing the product know damn well what it does or does not do, and they are the ones that must(but will never) apply. We can't force them to do so.


I'm not an expert on the latest MDC rules, but I don't think this is correct. Though with the current "media presence" rule, it might be a de facto requirement.

Traditionally, you only had to show that you could make something happen through paranormal means. It didn't matter if your demonstration used a device that someone else manufactured.

Since you now need to have a media presence, it could be very difficult for someone other than the manufacturer to meet that requirement.

[mrwater]

I have purchased the Amega wand... out of curiosity. I have to say, it does seem to work as the manufacturer states. Todate, I have used it on 14 people, urging each to be "painfully honest" about any improvements. I don't intend to mislead, so I must be told the truth. Although I have 4 stating they experienced no improvement, all others were surprised their pains were gone... totally! Actually, I am glad to have purchased this product... even though I appear to be an idiot to many on this thread.

[Sledge]

You'd appear far less of an idiot if you didn't give the impression of someone who joined purely to sing the praises of a magic wand.

[Toke]

Snip...
As an aside, does that photo seem fake, somehow, or is it just a depth-of-field issue making the difference in foreground/background focus seem exagerrated?

For all I know it is some foto/lens technique, there are a lot of those.

[Madalch]

I have purchased the Amega wand... out of curiosity. I have to say, it does seem to work as the manufacturer states. Todate, I have used it on 14 people, urging each to be "painfully honest" about any improvements. I don't intend to mislead, so I must be told the truth. Although I have 4 stating they experienced no improvement, all others were surprised their pains were gone... totally! Actually, I am glad to have purchased this product... even though I appear to be an idiot to many on this thread.
If you can get it to work reliably, you too could win a million dollars.

[JimBenArm]

I have purchased the Amega wand... out of curiosity. I have to say, it does seem to work as the manufacturer states. Todate, I have used it on 14 people, urging each to be "painfully honest" about any improvements. I don't intend to mislead, so I must be told the truth. Although I have 4 stating they experienced no improvement, all others were surprised their pains were gone... totally! Actually, I am glad to have purchased this product... even though I appear to be an idiot to many on this thread.

Well, I'm completely convinced.

You've got 9 liars on your hands. At the least.

And I'm sure you only APPEAR to be an idiot...

[mrwater]

Hey, I found this forum by searching Google. I was searching for information about Amega, and found this thread. It is VERY simple to understand... I am only lending information about something YOU SELFRIGHTIOUS IDIOTS can't... or won't... try to understand.

I have had heated discussions with physicist, doctors, educators, polititians, and other "experts" of their chosen field of study. Most all times, I feel relief when I see in their eyes.... then from their words... "You know, you may be on to something."

[Sledge]

Whilst I'm not surprised by this response, I'm surprised it happened this fast.
Hey, I found this forum by searching Google. I was searching for information about Amega, and found this thread.Why were you searching for information on something you already own and use? And what made you think this would be the place to find it? There's two pages of results before Google brings up this thread.
It is VERY simple to understand... I am only lending information about somethingNo, at best you're posting anecdotes. At worst you're trying to advertise the thing. Right now, you're not convincing me of your good intentions.
YOU SELFRIGHTIOUS IDIOTS can't... or won't... try to understand.Understand what? That as soon as it became clear we wouldn't swallow bovine excrement, you resort to abuse? I think we all understand that very well.
I have had heated discussions with physicist, doctors, educators, polititians, and other "experts" of their chosen field of study.I'll bet you have.
Most all times, I feel relief when I see in their eyes....When you leave?
then from their words... "You know, you may be on to something."I think what they actually said was "You know, you may be on something." Of course, you could always tell us who these "physicist [sic], doctors, educators, polititians [sic], and other 'experts' in their chosen field of study" are. I look forward to your excuse for not doing so.

[Toke]

I have purchased the Amega wand... out of curiosity. I have to say, it does seem to work as the manufacturer states. Todate, I have used it on 14 people, urging each to be "painfully honest" about any improvements. I don't intend to mislead, so I must be told the truth. Although I have 4 stating they experienced no improvement, all others were surprised their pains were gone... totally! Actually, I am glad to have purchased this product... even though I appear to be an idiot to many on this thread.

I assume you have a conspiracy at hand to explain why this have not been taken up by real medicine?

[Akhenaten]

I have purchased the Amega wand... out of curiosity. I have to say, it does seem to work as the manufacturer states.





I am Farmer Harms, and I come from Drenthe, and I love disco.



Todate, I have used it on 14 people, urging each to be "painfully honest" about any improvements.





Are you sure it wasn't frogate? It can be difficult to tell for someone other than an expert in the field.



I don't intend to mislead, so I must be told the truth.





I know it is hard to believe, but it is so.



Although I have 4 stating they experienced no improvement, all others were surprised their pains were gone... totally!





When I hear disco, then my legs start to dance.



Actually, I am glad to have purchased this product... even though I appear to be an idiot to many on this thread.





That feeling will pass, fairly soon, I believe.



Hey, I found this forum by searching Google.





Then my wife says (something or other).



I was searching for information about Amega, and found this thread.





Without disco in my house I cannot live.



It is VERY simple to understand... I am only lending information about something YOU SELFRIGHTIOUS IDIOTS can't... or won't... try to understand.





You can give the other garbage to the cows/pigs/goats (depending on the verse).



I have had heated discussions with physicist, doctors, educators, polititians, and other "experts" of their chosen field of study. Most all times, I feel relief when I see in their eyes.... then from their words... "You know, you may be on to something."





You should listen to Boer Harms. He will offer relief too, and it's free.

[Toke]

Akhenaten,
That youtube video was 3.16 min I will never get back.
On the plus side I found the source for Twinstead's previous avatar.:D

[JimBenArm]

Hey, I found this forum by searching Google. I was searching for information about Amega, and found this thread. It is VERY simple to understand... I am only lending information about something YOU SELFRIGHTIOUS IDIOTS can't... or won't... try to understand.

I have had heated discussions with physicist, doctors, educators, polititians, and other "experts" of their chosen field of study. Most all times, I feel relief when I see in their eyes.... then from their words... "You know, you may be on to something."

Or you may just be on something.

We may never know.

[Sledge]

I already did that joke. :mad:

[JimBenArm]

I already did that joke. :mad:

You expect me to read what you write?

(Sorry, guess I should read the thread before posting.)

[Sledge]

No worries. It was a good enough line to get aired twice, in case people didn't want to wade through my line-by-line attack of verbal diarrhea.

[Madalch]

When I hear disco, then my legs start to dance.
Then my wife says (something or other).


Maybe one of our resident Dutchmen will chime in with a better translation. If none of the people who swear by this wand want to prove that it works for a million dollars, then we may still get something useful out of the thread.

[Akhenaten]

I thought your words fit perfectly.

:)

[Comrade Raptor]

Oh look, another completely random, innocent, and totally not in the least fake testimonial.

Golly gee, these magic wands are looking better every time I come back. For quality assurance like that, I'd expect to pay hundreds of dollars!

So how much does one of these miracle sticks go for? Is there a money back guarantee if I'm not completely satisfied (or still have leprechauns)?

I mean, some guy who only just joined to post to this thread about this amazing product, he can't be a dishonest shill. No way.

[Toke]

Comrade Raptor,
You are absolutely right, testimonials is clearly the best evidence there is, it is clearly proved by their proliferation on assorted helpful home pages and pop ups.:D

I am also sure that there is a full money back guarantee.*

*Deducting a few hundred in handling and shipment fees.

[Comrade Raptor]

Maybe I should make my own wand, and then market it on the web as a plain stick that does absolutely nothing.

Then I can get some testimonials describing in lurid detail how, unlike all those other products, this one actually worked as promised!

I'll guarantee that if it actually does anything at all, I'll issue a full refund.

[Toke]

Maybe I should make my own wand, and then market it on the web as a plain stick that does absolutely nothing.

Then I can get some testimonials describing in lurid detail how, unlike all those other products, this one actually worked as promised!

I'll guarantee that if it actually does anything at all, I'll issue a full refund.

I suspect that there is already such a site for HI-FI gear.

[Comrade Raptor]

I suspect that there is already such a site for HI-FI gear.


Quite probably. I'd imagine that's an old gag.

[Dockie]

A huge Amega Blimp could cure the world of all its ills in no time at all!!!

[Stray Cat]

A huge Amega Blimp could cure the world of all its ills in no time at all!!!

Originally I thought a scheme like that would never get off the ground, but then it occurred to me:

The giant blimp could be filled cheaply with the foul smelling gas that is rising from the amount of bull poo that this company spew out on their website.

Now is poo gas lighter than air or would it have to be ignited to be used like a hot air balloon? Scientists please?

[Akhenaten]

I'm not a scientist, but I saw one on TV once and he said that poo gas (methane) is 1.013 times heavier than air, so a blimp full of it would fly like a barbed-wire kite.

Lighting it up would be a whole 'nother thing though, and it would fly really, really fast for a little bit.

[Toke]

Lighting it up would be a whole 'nother thing though, and it would fly really, really fast for a little bit.
Perhaps the sight would take peoples mind off their pains for a while?

[Madalch]

I'm not a scientist, but I saw one on TV once and he said that poo gas (methane) is 1.013 times heavier than air, so a blimp full of it would fly like a barbed-wire kite.


Methane is only 62% as heavy as air. Ethane would be heavier than air.

[quarky]

bio-gas has a water molecule in it. Methane is refined poo-gas.

[Akhenaten]

Methane is only 62% as heavy as air. Ethane would be heavier than air.





Okie dokes, and thank you.

I'm in no way equipped to even discuss this much less argue about it. I used the specific gravity figure from this page (http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/Encyclopedia.asp?GasID=41) to come up with the figure I used, and I'm not even mildly surprised that I got it wrong.


Cool! That means the poo gas blimp is feasible.

I believe Stray Cat and I can have a lot of fun with this propose a number of novel hypotheses with which to stimulate ongoing discussion of the matters at hand.



ETA: Thanks to you as well, quarky

:)

[Hokulele]

More feasible than a "healing" wand that works on zero-point energy.


Zero-point energy. *Snork*

[Madalch]

I used the specific gravity figure from this page (http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/Encyclopedia.asp?GasID=41) to come up with the figure I used, and I'm not even mildly surprised that I got it wrong.

Um- you were looking at "Gas density (1.013 bar and 15 °C (59 °F)) : 0.68 kg/m3"? That 1.013 bar is a pressure measurement, not part of the density (the density of a gas will depend on both pressure and temperature, so they both have to be specified). The density of the gas if 0.68 kilograms per cubic metre.

Compare air: "Gas density (1.013 bar and 15 °C (59 °F)) : 1.202 kg/m3"

Methane is much less dense than air.

[JimBenArm]

More feasible than a "healing" wand that works on zero-point energy.


Zero-point energy. *Snork*
Hey it worked in for Syndrome in "The Incredibles", now, didn't it? What more proof do you need?

[Madalch]

bio-gas has a water molecule in it. Methane is refined poo-gas.

Bio-gas is a mixture, and it is incorrect to say it contains "a" water molecule. It will contain some water vapour, which can easily be at least partially removed simply by cooling to a lower temperature or by compression.

[Toke]

Bio-gas is a mixture, and it is incorrect to say it contains "a" water molecule. It will contain some water vapour, which can easily be at least partially removed simply by cooling to a lower temperature or by compression.

Regular work air compressors have a small cooling plant to chill the air coming out and thereby separating (most of) the water.
There are often a small separate cooling unit for air that have to be "extra dry" like for control valves on the main engine.

It looks like Akhenaten took the number appearing most often on the page describing methane. :)

[Akhenaten]

Um- you were looking at "Gas density (1.013 bar and 15 °C (59 °F)) : 0.68 kg/m3"? That 1.013 bar is a pressure measurement, not part of the density (the density of a gas will depend on both pressure and temperature, so they both have to be specified). The density of the gas if 0.68 kilograms per cubic metre.

Compare air: "Gas density (1.013 bar and 15 °C (59 °F)) : 1.202 kg/m3"

Methane is much less dense than air.





Regular work air compressors have a small cooling plant to chill the air coming out and thereby separating (most of) the water.
There are often a small separate cooling unit for air that have to be "extra dry" like for control valves on the main engine.

It looks like Akhenaten took the number appearing most often on the page describing methane. :)





Thanks fellers. In my defence can I just point out that all I was doing was helping Stray Cat (whom I notice is lying low through all of this) to make some funnies about a blimp full of farts.

Went over like a lead balloon, it did.


:)

[Stray Cat]

Yes but to be fair to Akenaten, the whole powering a blimp by use of poo gas is still in it's infancy and we're still learning... I realise we're not at the same scientific level as Amega is, but if we can just get some shills to post testimonials to say our poo gas powered blimp works, then all these sciency numbers about gas density don't amount to hill of beans.

Even though we may use a hill of beans to produce the poo gas we need.

ETA: I'm not laying low... I was busy debunking a UFO video on YouTube. I did it seriously, with pictures that weren't even funny ones.

[Akhenaten]

Legend. Cheers mate.


:)

[Toke]

Good point Stray Cat.
It is pretty obvious that testimonials are far more important to wands and other magic than some silly numbers.

[quarky]

Bio-gas is a mixture, and it is incorrect to say it contains "a" water molecule. It will contain some water vapour, which can easily be at least partially removed simply by cooling to a lower temperature or by compression.

Funny you say that. I was aware of it relative wrongness when I wrote that, and I considered scrapping the post. But it had a bit of general truth to it, hence I was too lazy to refine it.

As per methane digester scenarios, of the small scale variety, its helpful to expect your methane to be contaminated with H2O, making it a less awesome fuel.

[alawaiman]

I don't know how to convince you that I'm actually a true skeptic and this just happened to be my first post. You know the saying on assuming, so don't do it. I am very interested in JR and am a fan. I appreciate what he has done to prove Uri Geller, Peter Popoff, James Hydrick, etc of their frauds. I am not trying to promote this "wand" product. I just want to force these people, or people who buy the product, to do the MDC so they stop selling it and admit they are wrong, whether self deluded or not. People believe in what they want to believe, not in what is true. I too wish crystals and other objects could heal, but the reality is they don't and we need to move on to find real medicinal cures with real proven science. If you still believe I am promoting this wand, then oh well, because in actuality, I am not!!

[Sledge]

I don't know how to convince you that I'm actually a true skeptic and this just happened to be my first post.
Be sceptical. Post about something other than this wand.

*thinks*

Nope, that's all I can think of. Doesn't sound too difficult.

[Akhenaten]

I don't know how to convince you that I'm actually a true skeptic and this just happened to be my first post.





The best way to convince people of your motives, should you feel the need to do so, is to have a posting history that you can refer them to.

Occasional postings to no one in particular in a a single thread that's going nowhere aren't going to do it for you.



You know the saying on assuming, so don't do it.





Do you know the saying, "You're not the boss of me"?



I am very interested in JR and am a fan.





I always preferred Dynasty myself, but that was mainly because of Linda Evans and Joan Collins, I think.



I appreciate what he has done to prove Uri Geller, Peter Popoff, James Hydrick, etc of their frauds.




Oh! That JR!

Good-oh then. Why not start a thread about that, instead of these wand thingies?



I am not trying to promote this "wand" product.





I'm sure most of us know that already. If we'd thought otherwise, you'd have heard about it by now. We give very good hints about these things.



I just want to force these people, or people who buy the product, to do the MDC so they stop selling it and admit they are wrong, whether self deluded or not.





I'm afraid you're going to need a better plan than just telling us about it.



People believe in what they want to believe, not in what is true.





One of the aims of this Forum is to try and make these two things be the same.



I too wish crystals and other objects could heal, but the reality is they don't and we need to move on to find real medicinal cures with real proven science.





I think someone else is on that already.



If you still believe I am promoting this wand, then oh well, because in actuality, I am not!!





I believe you mentioned that earlier.


Why not try posting some stuff in some other threads and let this one die? Periodically bumping it isn't the best look.



ETA: I talk too much. Just do what Sledge said.

[alawaiman]

Lol Akhenaten, I am not your boss, but just felt like saying it.
I will take both of your advices and try to get involved in other posts. I am just so busy; that's why I only check on this one every so often. I would post about Peter Popoff etc, but they have already been proven wrong. There is no more to discuss as far as they are concerned. I will try to take the time in going to other posts. Thanks

[Akhenaten]

No worries, matey. Hope to see more of you around the place.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/209954b7bb91e6c88e.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=19096)

[Sledge]

I am the master of brevity. :D

Seriously, join in the fun elsewhere. Debate the existence of God, address the thorny issue of global warming, be disgusted by holocaust deniers or consider whether UFOs are alien spaceships.

Wait, scratch that last one.

[Akhenaten]

Ooh my wordy lordy yes, stay away from that big boy. Toxic, it is.

:)

[Stray Cat]

Wands work beyond the boundaries of what we call nature. :duck:

[Akhenaten]

Wands work beyond the boundaries of what we call nature. :duck:





Just on spec, as it were, I thought I'd Google "blimp wand".

Somewhat surprisingly, this page was the SECOND reference listed.

I didn't look into the top reference because I figure that whatever it's about, the people responsible are probably even crazier than we are.

Scary, eh?

[Stray Cat]

Anymore posts like that and you'll single handedly get this page to number one on the Google rankings... then we'll be even more crazy than they are muaahaaaahaaa!!!!

[23_Tauri]

No more required. It's now the top hit.... :D

I quite like number 3 on the list, it has a 'saucer model' blimp, especially designed to befuddle....

http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/rc-blimp-envelope-silver-mylar-p-941.html

[Akhenaten]

No more required. It's now the top hit.... :D

I quite like number 3 on the list, it has a 'saucer model' blimp, especially designed to befuddle....

http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/rc-blimp-envelope-silver-mylar-p-941.html





I've had an RC Goodyear blimp on back order from the US for some time, so it's good to know I can get spare envelopes as well.

It seems that the inmates have taken over the asylum at last.

No wonder the Amega folks are having a hard time flogging their magic wands - all us kooks have already spent our money on much cooler toys.

:)

[Wanderer]

Hi everyone,

As you can see, I'm very new here.

Next, let me tell you I have an Amega AMwand on order, hoping to receive it as early as this Wednesday. I won't be posting my Amega link even if it were allowed. I've given a quick read to about 30 messages in this thread.

Here is what I'd like to know. What sort of information would you be looking for that would persuade you that the wand helps improve one's health? I'm sincerely wanting to know what you're looking for.

I should tell you I'm just a guy. I don't have a laboratory or access to a research facility. So it may be that I would not be able to provide what you need to satisfy you, but I am interested in finding out if there is way to meet your needs.

For instance, I've seen some videos on YouTube that persuaded me to order a wand. There were a couple of women, both in their 90's, who were able to move their arms above their heads after being wanded.

That was enough for me to order the wand...that and a dog whose hind legs didn't work, but then it is walking after being wanded.

But that is my standard, not yours. Tell me what you would want to observe before you'd agree that the wands are worthwhile? Would you need to experience it yourself? Or maybe a close relative, that you know for a fact to be impaired physically in some way, would need to experience dramatic improvement?

I dunno - I'm just thinking out loud here - you tell me what your criteria are.

[Akhenaten]

1. Use your wand to resurrect Imhotep.

2. Have him post here.


http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/HostedStuff/Hook.jpg

[Tizzy]

1. Use your wand to resurrect Imhotep.

2. Have him post here.


http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/HostedStuff/Hook.jpg

3. He must also lead us to his tomb.

4. Can only post in hieroglyphs.

[Wanderer]

1. Use your wand to resurrect Imhotep.

2. Have him post here.




The wand doesn't raise people from the dead. Besides if it did, he'd stink up the room, so I suggest we bring his carcass to your house for the test. :D

[Akhenaten]

The wand doesn't raise people from the dead. Besides if it did, he'd stink up the room, so I suggest we bring his carcass to your house for the test. :D





This is part of what you posted earlier, mate:


Tell me what you would want to observe before you'd agree that the wands are worthwhile?





I've told you.

In any case, the mighty Imhotep is always welcome in the House of Pharaoh.


Ankh udja seneb,

Waenre

[Wanderer]

This is part of what you posted earlier, mate:





I've told you.

In any case, the mighty Imhotep is always welcome in the House of Pharaoh.


Ankh udja seneb,

Waenre

Fair enough, you would like to see a certain long dead pharoah raised from the dead before you'd be convinced regarding the wand's performance. I promise you you will never be satisfied by the performance of the wands if that remains your only standard of worth.

Your welcome to come back and participate should you limit your requirements to what the wand would need to do for the living in order to gain your acceptance.

I'm certain that the wand would not raise anyone from the dead whether they be 5,000 years dead or 5,000 seconds. (The 5,000 seconds is given as an example because sometimes we aren't sure whether a person is dead or not...not that the wand reaches across the River Styx.)

Perhaps there are others here who have a different standard, that is, what would they require as proof as to its performance among the living?

[Akhenaten]

Fair enough, you would like to see a certain long dead pharoah raised from the dead before you'd be convinced regarding the wand's performance.





Imhotep??? Pharaoh???

20 000 demerits. Educate thyself, fellah, lest thee embarrass thyself further.



I promise you you will never be satisfied by the performance of the wands if that remains your only standard of worth.





Correct.



Your welcome to come back and participate should you limit your requirements to what the wand would need to do for the living in order to gain your acceptance.





Geeze. Thanks very much.

Ambitions ≠ Capabilities

Lurk moar.



I'm certain that the wand would not raise anyone from the dead whether they be 5,000 years dead or 5,000 seconds. (The 5,000 seconds is given as an example because sometimes we aren't sure whether a person is dead or not...not that the wand reaches across the River Styx.)





Believe it or not, I know what dead is. Thanks anyway.




Perhaps there are others here who have a different standard, that is, what would they require as proof as to its performance among the living?





Perhaps. Want a little wager on it? I'm game.

[Dockie]

snip, snip

For instance, I've seen some videos on YouTube that persuaded me to order a wand. There were a couple of women, both in their 90's, who were able to move their arms above their heads after being wanded.

That was enough for me to order the wand...that and a dog whose hind legs didn't work, but then it is walking after being wanded.
........


The elderly, and animals, a crippled one at that, being "wanded"!!!!!!

I'm not sure i like the sound of that.

The only vaguely relevant definitions in the Shorter Oxford Dictionary:

2 - Beat with a wand or switch.
3- Scan a bar code using a wand.

Do senior citizens deserve either?

[Brainache]

Fair enough, you would like to see a certain long dead pharoah raised from the dead before you'd be convinced regarding the wand's performance. I promise you you will never be satisfied by the performance of the wands if that remains your only standard of worth.

Your welcome to come back and participate should you limit your requirements to what the wand would need to do for the living in order to gain your acceptance.

I'm certain that the wand would not raise anyone from the dead whether they be 5,000 years dead or 5,000 seconds. (The 5,000 seconds is given as an example because sometimes we aren't sure whether a person is dead or not...not that the wand reaches across the River Styx.)

Perhaps there are others here who have a different standard, that is, what would they require as proof as to its performance among the living?

Hi Wanderer, welcome to the forum.

I hope this isn't too personal of a question, but do you have a specific illness or injury that you bought this wand to treat? If so, maybe you could demonstrate its effectiveness on yourself and show us the results. Post a video of before, during and after treatment. I know this won't totally convince anyone here, but it might be a start.

Was there anything apart from the corny testimonials for this thing that convinced you that it might work for you?

Have you ever bought any other crystal based zero point energy healing devices? If so, how effective were they?

[Ladewig]

Hi everyone,

As you can see, I'm very new here.

Next, let me tell you I have an Amega AMwand on order, hoping to receive it as early as this Wednesday. I won't be posting my Amega link even if it were allowed. I've given a quick read to about 30 messages in this thread.

Here is what I'd like to know. What sort of information would you be looking for that would persuade you that the wand helps improve one's health? I'm sincerely wanting to know what you're looking for.

I should tell you I'm just a guy. I don't have a laboratory or access to a research facility. So it may be that I would not be able to provide what you need to satisfy you, but I am interested in finding out if there is way to meet your needs.

For instance, I've seen some videos on YouTube that persuaded me to order a wand. There were a couple of women, both in their 90's, who were able to move their arms above their heads after being wanded.

That was enough for me to order the wand...that and a dog whose hind legs didn't work, but then it is walking after being wanded.

But that is my standard, not yours. Tell me what you would want to observe before you'd agree that the wands are worthwhile? Would you need to experience it yourself? Or maybe a close relative, that you know for a fact to be impaired physically in some way, would need to experience dramatic improvement?

I dunno - I'm just thinking out loud here - you tell me what your criteria are.
Thanks for the post.

I am a bit worried that you may not understand science. I get that impression from your saying that you don't have a laboratory or research facility. Neither one of those is needed for you to perform the type of science necessary to provide evidence. In fact a somewhat famous scientific experiment of special healing properties was conducted by an 11-year-old. Here is her wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa).

You ask what would be necessary for me to believe. The answer is a double blind test of some sort. But let me say that even a single blind test, like the one Emily used, would be enough for me to call for more research into this wand.

A place to start would be having a friend agree to wave the wand over you, but then add a slight twist. Have the friend flip a coin and if the result is tails, have the friend wave the purchased wand over you and if the result is tails, then have the friend wave a stick over you. Obviously, this has to be done in such a way as for you to not see which item is being waved. Ideally, you should not watch that person's face (he may unintentionally give you clues about which one is being waved; for the same reason, he should avoid talking more than is necessary). If after 12 or 14 times, you can always, or almost always, tell them apart, then you are ready for the next step - which would be double blind testing.

[Akhenaten]

Thanks for the post.

I am a bit worried that you may not understand science. I get that impression from your saying that you don't have a laboratory or research facility. Neither one of those is needed for you to perform the type of science necessary to provide evidence. In fact a somewhat famous scientific experiment of special healing properties was conducted by an 11-year-old. Here is her wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa).

You ask what would be necessary for me to believe. The answer is a double blind test of some sort. But let me say that even a single blind test, like the one Emily used, would be enough for me to call for more research into this wand.

A place to start would be having a friend agree to wave the wand over you, but then add a slight twist. Have the friend flip a coin and if the result is tails, have the friend wave the purchased wand over you and if the result is tails, then have the friend wave a stick over you. Obviously, this has to be done in such a way as for you to not see which item is being waved. Ideally, you should not watch that person's face (he may unintentionally give you clues about which one is being waved; for the same reason, he should avoid talking more than is necessary). If after 12 or 14 times, you can always, or almost always, tell them apart, then you are ready for the next step - which would be double blind testing.





My sincere thanks to you, Ladewig, for reminding me of where I am.

I shall hold my tongue for a bit, in hope that the wisdom of your suggestions bear fruit.

Cheers.


@ Wanderer

My apologies. Sometimes I forget the 'benefit of the doubt' thingy; not toward these wands, necessarily, but towards people such as yourself who come here to learn.

Be well.

[Starthinker]

I'm kinda surprised that people who believe in the healing powers of crystals don't make a pilgramage to The Grotto of the Redemption (http://www.westbendgrotto.com/). Yes, the web page is hokey and from a distance it doesn't look like much but I really don't doubt their claim that it's the largest collection of crystals in the world. There are quartz crystals there as big as my leg. I'm not the slightest bit religious but I really feel drawn to the place and it's really a shame that it's touted as a religious destination because, well, it's amazing (http://www.starthinker.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=21&sid=46eeed0aa3070f608080102727624635).

Anyway, the crystals. If crystals really do have healing powers then this must be the black hole of all healing powers. I don't recall reading anything about miracles happening at the grotto, but if someone really believes in crystal power then this place is the place to visit. Is it the church keeping the new agers away? The theme? Cause I really can't believe this place doesn't get attention from anyone interested in crystal in any capacity.

[CORed]

The question is: Will it blend?

Amega smoke. Don't breathe it.

[Audible Click]

Hi everyone,

As you can see, I'm very new here

For instance, I've seen some videos on YouTube that persuaded me to order a wand. There were a couple of women, both in their 90's, who were able to move their arms above their heads after being wanded.

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Welcome to the forum. Do you often buy things after seeing them on YouTube?



Your welcome to come back and participate should you limit your requirements to what the wand would need to do for the living in order to gain your acceptance.



Hint: Anyone can post in any thread as long as they are not suspended or banned and follow the rules in the Membership Agreement. This is not your thread try to remember that, please.

[Sean84]

*snip*
Tell me what you would want to observe before you'd agree that the wands are worthwhile?
*snip*

Put the wand in one hand and a clump of bovine feces in the other. Take to the the streets and randomly wave one or the other at passers-by. Report back which has the greater effect (video evidence would help). If you perform this test I will agree that the wands are worthwhile, though probably not for the reason you want.

[Wanderer]

Welcome to the forum. Do you often buy things after seeing them on YouTube?



Hint: Anyone can post in any thread as long as they are not suspended or banned and follow the rules in the Membership Agreement. This is not your thread try to remember that, please.

Here's what happened. Someone recommended the wand to me, so I looked into it further which included watching some YouTube videos. I believe it's the first thing I've purchased after watching a YouTube video.

Yes, of course they can. I probably didn't express myself all that well. It looked to me at the time that Akhenaten was bowing out from wanting to participate. It's fair to say his original request was unhelpful. He has since apologized, which was magnanimous of him to do.

[Ladewig]

Here's what happened. .


Have you received it yet?

[notwithout]

From Ladewig

A place to start would be having a friend agree to wave the wand over you, but then add a slight twist. Have the friend flip a coin and if the result is tails, have the friend wave the purchased wand over you and if the result is tails, then have the friend wave a stick over you. Obviously, this has to be done in such a way as for you to not see which item is being waved. Ideally, you should not watch that person's face (he may unintentionally give you clues about which one is being waved; for the same reason, he should avoid talking more than is necessary). If after 12 or 14 times, you can always, or almost always, tell them apart, then you are ready for the next step - which would be double blind testing.

Wanted to add two suggestions to this informal protocol. Before beginning the test, Wanderer should have his friend wave the Wand and stick over him in full sight to make sure he can appreciate a clear difference between the two while unblinded. Would also suggest Wanderer be blindfolded during the test. This way he can sit/stand/lay down comfortable. I’m trying to avoid any “Well I tried it on my back but couldn’t really tell if it worked because I was standing on my head at the time so I wouldn’t see the experimenter” issues.

[Ladewig]

From Ladewig



Wanted to add two suggestions to this informal protocol. Before beginning the test, Wanderer should have his friend wave the Wand and stick over him in full sight to make sure he can appreciate a clear difference between the two while unblinded. Would also suggest Wanderer be blindfolded during the test. This way he can sit/stand/lay down comfortable. I’m trying to avoid any “Well I tried it on my back but couldn’t really tell if it worked because I was standing on my head at the time so I wouldn’t see the experimenter” issues.

Very much yes.

[Wanderer]

Have you received it yet?

UPS sent me a notice that it was still in LA over the weekend. It will probably arrive here Thursday, late in the day. I'll most likely be traveling this weekend.

I have four neighbors who have significant health problems. One has Alzheimers. Another has Parkinson's, while another needs two crutches due to her severe hip degeneration. The fourth has OCD, two bad shoulders even after surgery and a broken ankle.

I could use it too. After back surgery and moderate hip and knee arthritis, I have difficulty walking even a block.

I'm hoping to get permission to videotape them. I just purchased a real cheap video recorder. This technology sort of stuff is new to me - I've just mastered using a telephone. LOL!

[Ladewig]

I'm hoping to get permission to videotape them.

What exactly do you plan to videotape?

[Stray Cat]

This technology sort of stuff is new to me - I've just mastered using a telephone. LOL!
Or the "talking box" as technophobes refer to it. It is a truly magical piece of apparatus, it allows global connection to the ears of many people regardless of distance and works by sending your voice invisibly, around the world.

It only differs from a crystal wand in one vital aspect... The talking box actually works.

[Akhenaten]

Have you received it yet?





UPS sent me a notice that it was still in LA over the weekend. It will probably arrive here Thursday, late in the day. I'll most likely be traveling this weekend.





Considering your numerous health and other problems, wouldn't "No." have been easier to type?

In any case, you already had this thing on order on the 9th of April, anticipating delivery by the 14th, and now, on the 20th, you say that it's still completing a four-day trip to you from either Louisiana or Los Angeles. Do you live on Mars or something?

It's a bloody stick, for goodness sake, and given that I regularly have things like computer components or music CDs shipped to Australia from the US or Europe in 3-4 days, I'd say that somebody is telling tall tales.



I have four neighbors who have significant health problems. One has Alzheimers. Another has Parkinson's, while another needs two crutches due to her severe hip degeneration. The fourth has OCD, two bad shoulders even after surgery and a broken ankle.





Presumably you're laying a bit of groundwork here, creating a scenario where you and your magic stick are going to cure all the people in the retirement village/disaster area where you live.

Have you ever heard the expression, "Gilding the lily"?



I could use it too. After back surgery and moderate hip and knee arthritis, I have difficulty walking even a block.





One definition is "To make superfluous additions to what is already complete."



I'm hoping to get permission to videotape them.





What are "them"?



I just purchased a real cheap video recorder.





That's nice for you, although with the poor quality of TV programming these days you'd have been better off getting a PS3. In any case, what does this have to do with either your magic stick or with your plans to videotape "them"?



This technology sort of stuff is new to me - I've just mastered using a telephone. LOL!





Yeah, that's hilarious. We'll just ignore the fact that you're sitting at a computer, will we?

[Toke]

I take it that after you are finished with the neighbours you could sprint through the nearest hospital waving the wand over your head and clearing out the place.

[Alley Cat]

Or the "talking box" as technophobes refer to it. It is a truly magical piece of apparatus, it allows global connection to the ears of many people regardless of distance and works by sending your voice invisibly, around the world.

how would you know?

[Stray Cat]

how would you know?
Because I own one... it now lives discarded at the bottom of the same drawer as my collection of crystal wands.

[Alley Cat]

Because I own one... it now lives discarded at the bottom of the same drawer as my collection of crystal wands. So, if you can't quite part with them, then you're still clinging to the hope these things have magical powers? Why not try them out and see? :D

[George152]

So, if you can't quite part with them, then you're still clinging to the hope these things have magical powers? Why not try them out and see? :D

The only magical power such things have is to be able to remove money from the pockets of the gullible :-(

[Foolmewunz]

Hi,
I'm Skip. I'm new here so I'm can't post links, yet, but you can reach me at WWW dot becauseyou'reafrakkingidiot dot com.

I saw this threads when I googling because I wanted to know if any you else had tried this amazingful stick Amega wands. I live in Simi Valley (pay no attention to my Russian IP address, that is mistake, I am certain) and I am telling you, buddy, that my brother, Oleg Chip, got last month one of these and while I am normally skeptical person, but gosh, I just want to know just how is working. Why, he cleared up his acne, grew four inches taller, and has been nominated as prom queen, all because of the wondrous Amega Wand and its amazing minero-crystalTM powers.

But wait, there's more.....

My sister, Hungry Alice, took the wand to Dunkin' Donuts and she was their ten trillionth custsomer and now we will get free donut holes for the rest of eternity.

And just this morning, I waved the wand over Mr. Freely, our gerbil, and he developed a cure for cancer before lunchtime!

I'm now wondering that if it works for everyone so wonderfullness, maybe I should use to cure my haemorrhoids. Anyone have any experience in "that area" or how I would apply the wand for the best treatement? Is poster named Goose, or Duck or some kind of poultry having expertise I believe?

[Toke]

:D
Nominated

[Stray Cat]

So, if you can't quite part with them, then you're still clinging to the hope these things have magical powers? Why not try them out and see? :D
No, I'm waiting for the time to be right to put them on eBay and sell them to idiots worthy customers.

[hetfield]

Hello,
I am new here. I am a AMWand owner, and I also believe that it works the way it says it should. It does not claim to raise the dead, it doesn't even claim to heal anything. It does claim to help your body heal itself. It does help relive pain in my lower back and right hip just by carrying it in my shirt pockets like a pen. It helps relieve my wife's migraines. Everybody I have showed it to has noticed some sort of pain relief from it.
When my step father tried a so called strength test on me before he used the wonderful, he never told me why. But it did work. If he told me what it was beforehand I would of told him to go fly a kite. So I borrowed it from him and tried it different people to see what was what.

Basically all I am saying is some of the opinions on here are from lack of experience with this item, I am not saying go out and buy it before you try it but, at least try it before you make opinions based on what you believe. If nothing else Amega Global will provide a refund if you don't like it.

[Foolmewunz]

Psssst! Psssst!

Beat it, Oleg! I'm working this side of the street. There's an empty spot up near the Rosicrucians parking lot.

[Akhenaten]

Hello,
I am new here. I am a AMWand owner, and I also believe that it works the way it says it should. It does not claim to raise the dead, it doesn't even claim to heal anything. It does claim to help your body heal itself. It does help relive pain in my lower back and right hip just by carrying it in my shirt pockets like a pen. It helps relieve my wife's migraines. Everybody I have showed it to has noticed some sort of pain relief from it.
When my step father tried a so called strength test on me before he used the wonderful, he never told me why. But it did work. If he told me what it was beforehand I would of told him to go fly a kite. So I borrowed it from him and tried it different people to see what was what.

Basically all I am saying is some of the opinions on here are from lack of experience with this item, I am not saying go out and buy it before you try it but, at least try it before you make opinions based on what you believe. If nothing else Amega Global will provide a refund if you don't like it.





You're not even trying any more, are you?

[Audible Click]

Hello,
I am new here. I am a AMWand owner, and I also believe that it works the way it says it should. It does not claim to raise the dead, it doesn't even claim to heal anything. It does claim to help your body heal itself. It does help relive pain in my lower back and right hip just by carrying it in my shirt pockets like a pen. It helps relieve my wife's migraines. Everybody I have showed it to has noticed some sort of pain relief from it.
When my step father tried a so called strength test on me before he used the wonderful, he never told me why. But it did work. If he told me what it was beforehand I would of told him to go fly a kite. So I borrowed it from him and tried it different people to see what was what.

Basically all I am saying is some of the opinions on here are from lack of experience with this item, I am not saying go out and buy it before you try it but, at least try it before you make opinions based on what you believe. If nothing else Amega Global will provide a refund if you don't like it.

What else might they do? Invade Poland? Declare Russia a true democracy? Wave their wands and hope it cures their bunions?

[Hokulele]

Basically all I am saying is some of the opinions on here are from lack of experience with this item, I am not saying go out and buy it before you try it but, at least try it before you make opinions based on what you believe.


OK then, send me yours. I can PM you a shipping address and I will be more than happy to subject it to the blind test mentioned earlier on this thread.

You did try a blind test before believing in it yourself, yes?

[hetfield]

I am sure there are plenty of people in your area that have one, seek em out.
As far as a blind test, I can try it out on the next person. As far as I am concerned trying it without Pryor knowledge of what it can do was a blind test.
I use mine everyday. You want to try it, jump on a plane and fly on over. Ill be glad to show it to you. If you want to buy one i will ship it to you then. LOL.
I know it is hard to believe, and I sounds like a bunch of b/s. I am just giving my experienced opinion with it.

[hetfield]

Smartphone mistake.lol

[Sledge]

and I sounds like a bunch of b/s.
Only part of your post I could agree with.

[hetfield]

And you can believe what ever you want.

[Sledge]

And you can breathe oxygen. Do you have anything else pointless to add?

[Akhenaten]

And you can believe what ever you want.





Thank you.

I believe you are a troll/spammer.

[Sledge]

I believed in Harvey Dent. It did not turn out well.

[hetfield]

Thank you.

I believe you are a troll/spammer.

Not likely.
I am just voicing an opinion. I have tryed it, you haven't.

Did you go out and buy a cell phone or did you tell your neighbor he is full of it when he said he can a call without being attached to the house? Did you try a microwave when it was invented? You do have a PC with an internet connection so you tryed that I see. Open your mind and go out and try something new. I did and I don't believe in God. I see you believe in trolls, cause I don't.

[Sledge]

Extraordinary claims require... oh hell, you know the rest.

[Akhenaten]

Not likely.
I am just voicing an opinion. I have tryed it, you haven't.





How do you know what I've tried?



Did you go out and buy a cell phone or did you tell your neighbor he is full of it when he said he can a call without being attached to the house?





You think the above mess is an actual sentence, don't you?

Guess what.



Did you try a microwave when it was invented?





They haven't been invented yet where I live. What do they do?




You do have a PC with an internet connection so you tryed that I see.





You can see no such thing, can you? How could you possibly know where I'm posting from or what I'm using to do it.



Open your mind and go out and try something new.





Do you think you're more open-minded than I am? Why?

Do you think you have tried more new things than me? Why?



I did and I don't believe in God. I see you believe in trolls, cause I don't.





Trolls exist. I have evidence.

[Ladewig]

I have no idea whether or hetfield is a sincere user or a company shill. In either case, there will be no way to get him or her to approach the issue with an open mind.

For those of you lurking or stumbling on the JREF message board while searching for information on this product, it is important that we take a moment and talk about why so very many people will offer testimonials of products that have no power at all.

Placebos can have a significant effect on how people report the effectiveness of a medical treatment. The effect is most noticeable when the measurement of success is subjective, such as reporting pain levels. Because a device like this wand cannot produce any objective measurements in patients, it is a classic example of the placebo effect. One of the factors that influence the level of this effect is the investment of money. After people spend money on a cure, they are less likely to admit to themselves that the cure has no value. The story that hetfield tells indicates another common factor. WHen a friend or relative offers help for a medical condition, people are less likely to announce that the treatment provided no relief at all. That's why the most important part of this thread has been about the blinded tests.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that this wand has the power that its makers claim. I am willing to admit that I could be 100% wrong and there is an exceptionally easy way to prove it. Hetfield, one-million dollars is waiting for you if you can distinguish between someone waving the wand over you from someone waving a stick over you. All yours for one hours work - one million dollars. Feel free to claim it.

[Foolmewunz]

Akhenaten! Sledge!

Ladewig's making sense, again! Make 'im stop!

[Sean84]

The only conclusion I can draw from these corporate shills satisfied customers is that their magic wands severely impair the literacy of their users.

As for open-mindedness, I'm still waiting on the results of my proposed wand vs. bovine excrement experiment.

*snip*
If you want to buy one i will ship it to you then. LOL.
*snip*

Way to out yourself there, Shilly Shillerman IV.

[Hokulele]

I am sure there are plenty of people in your area that have one, seek em out.


Why won't you send me yours?

As far as a blind test, I can try it out on the next person. As far as I am concerned trying it without Pryor knowledge of what it can do was a blind test.


Um, do you know what a blind test entails? It is more than what you described here.

I use mine everyday. You want to try it, jump on a plane and fly on over. Ill be glad to show it to you. If you want to buy one i will ship it to you then. LOL.


Really? You have so little faith in the product you want me to spend my money to see if it works? The company I work for provides free demonstration units of our products to prospective customers simply because we know if they try it, there is a good chance they will buy it. We never make them purchase it first (money back guarantee, *snork*) or make them "jump on a plane and fly over". We have full confidence that our product can speak for itself, and yes, it is far more expensive than any magic wand.

If you do not believe that a sample use of the product will convince me of its value, why should I?

I know it is hard to believe, and I sounds like a bunch of b/s. I am just giving my experienced opinion with it.


It is so hard to believe, you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is.

[dafydd]

I have no evidence one way or the other, but I would expect that the manufacturers probably do believe in the product.

Ah,such innocence.Touching,isn't it?

[dafydd]

hi dockie,

what makes us think that we are different than animals. as a shiatsu therapist, i think that when i work on animals, i am having the same effect upon the animal as my clients and as other therapists have on me. i am connecting to the energetics of the magic of healing. as a cranial sacral therapist, i am affecting the fluid body and influencing the rhythms of the muscles and bones.

as for the wand, i am going to write an article on moneca.ca this week about the effect of the wand to change my sleeping patterns. being an insomniac for all of my life, the last 30 years, i have been instantly sleeping by midnight. cant keep my eyes open. that is really ridiculous since i have always resigned myself to a 2 am bedtime. having to be up by 7 for my kid, that is not enough sleep. last night i was so sleepy that i went to bed at 12 and i was up at seven on my own rhythms. hallelujah.

as for crystals, i am a healer for the last ten years. i am a trained lastone therapist. i collect stones. as well i have a habit of breaking stones and crystals so i dont carry them around. i have a crystal wand i paid 60 dollar for, as well as others that i have bought for other amounts. first, they are heavy. second they break. the wand is light and since it is stainless steel, it is practical as well as durable...it will last 10,000 years.

i am very aware that everything has resonance yet only when i started with my wand this month did i feel the beat of everything around me. i am not a woo woo therapist, i broke my back falling from the grand canyon in 1992 so for me, i was always invested on a physical level of training because i did not want to be lumped as a flake.
i am not a skeptic but i am open to at least seeing if i have a affiliation with a tool or a toy. i am glad that i took a look at the amega wand. it has taught me a lot. in a very short amount of time. things that people, stones and nature had not. as well as therapy schools, courses and actual on the table bodywork. wait, i take that back, i have had sessions where i was connected with the energy of prana and chi but it is not something that i could find always. either the talent of the giver was finite, they moved away or retired. the technique required time and practise which as a mother of a ten year old working mom, it is hard to find and commit too.
as a blogger, i plan to teach wand and body awareness. not to be a paramid schemer but to be paid to educate and profide a service for those who hear what i am saying and know that i do no harm in providing a tool and an outlook of life from my own personal practise of service. something i have been doing all my life.

as for the dastardly plan, the issue was that the company i wanted to work for but was not that good at was an ionizing water machine system. as the wand company has a similar system but infused with the zero point energy. get it. as a therapist, i am always looking to supplement my income to take the physical load off of my hands on manual labor. so selling things i like are part and parcel of my business model. so is sending my clients to naturapaths and yoga studios but i dont get commissions from that recommendations.

the wand business is just starting and it is interesting how many people have read my blog and want to get the wand. trained prof mlmers are finding me. people who are more into the wand are emailing me. this is more focus than i have had on any inquires about water ionizers. you know i got into ionization because i understand ph and acid/alkaline. yet i did not feel comfortable selling water systems because i am not a plumber.

as for what is next the pendant because i want continuous zero point energy on my body. a body that has researched radically since breaking my back in 1992. when i loan my wand out, i am breaking that connection and i want to do some more observation of continuous use. i got into the company mainly to test out the zero point repair blanket and in time i may get the energetics of the water system. how many ionize systems can a girl have?!?!

i guess, i could be spending money on a coach bag or a diamond ring but then i would have to get a pair of stilleto heels! nah, i think i will stick with my chung shis since i have been wearing those seven days a week for three years. i love my chung shis too!!! but i dont get a commission for recommending those either! boo hoo.

namaste.

A trained stone therapist,what a joke.At which scientific instute did you train? If you charge for your services you should be prosecuted for fraud.Electricians,plumbers and the the like have to pass exams before they can practise their trade and I feel that woo merchants like yourself should made to prove that you can actually heal with lumps of crystal and stones,in order to protect the weak-minded and the gullible.You would never subject yourself to such a test though,would you? The MDC is here,go for it.

[Hokulele]

If you want to buy one i will ship it to you then. LOL.


Oh, and since I forgot to mention this in my previous post.



Pyramid.

Scheme.

[Foolmewunz]

Nobody is taking the wand seriously around here.

What if I could get you one for 1/2 price?

One Google over here finds it going for USD 149, already - a little lower than half-price.

Wait a while, everyone! I'll underbid Quarky in a couple of weeks when the prices drop even further. (Or I'll just give you my laser pointer or ballpoint pen - they work equally well according to some of the other discussion sites.)

[Foolmewunz]

A trained stone therapist,what a joke.At which scientific instute did you train? If you charge for your services you should be prosecuted for fraud.Electricians,plumbers and the the like have to pass exams before they can practise their trade and I feel that woo merchants like yourself should made to prove that you can actually heal with lumps of crystal and stones,in order to protect the weak-minded and the gullible.You would never subject yourself to such a test though,would you? The MDC is here,go for it.

Oooh, good catch. I just re-read the Moneca C.A. post (what is that a website of some kind that he/she says he/she'll be posting to?) as it was oriiginally Wall O' Words and I didn't read the details.

Fell from the Grand Canyon, eh? And the Amega wand has cured his/her broken back! Why, I'm sold! Get me two (we have the beast with two backs often at Chez Foolmewunz)!

[dafydd]

I am sure there are plenty of people in your area that have one, seek em out.
As far as a blind test, I can try it out on the next person. As far as I am concerned trying it without Pryor knowledge of what it can do was a blind test.
I use mine everyday. You want to try it, jump on a plane and fly on over. Ill be glad to show it to you. If you want to buy one i will ship it to you then. LOL.
I know it is hard to believe, and I sounds like a bunch of b/s. I am just giving my experienced opinion with it.

"There's one born every minute." P.T. Barnum

“No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” H.L. Mencken.

[Madalch]

Did you go out and buy a cell phone or did you tell your neighbor he is full of it when he said he can a call without being attached to the house? Did you try a microwave when it was invented? You do have a PC with an internet connection so you tryed that I see. Open your mind and go out and try something new. I did and I don't believe in God. I see you believe in trolls, cause I don't.

The difference between a cell phone, a microwave, and a crystal rod is that there is an easily-understood mechanism for the workings of the cell phone and microwave, while there is no plausible mechanism for the healing crystals. Anyone can understand the concepts of radio communication (which most of us have been familiar with for decades), and microwaves can be detected, measured, and generated in a number of different ways.

The healing energy that is supposedly given off by these crystals cannot be detected (other than by people saying "Hey! My back doesn't hurt!"), measured, or reproduced. There is no power source for the crystal, yet no decrease in energy over time.

If you've got one you want me to test, send it here. But I'm not paying money for one that is 99.999% likely to be a scam. That money would be much better invested in lottery tickets.

[Ladewig]

"There's one born every minute." P.T. Barnum


"And in the post war years, there were two born every minute." P.J. O'Rourke


Way to out yourself there, Shilly Shillerman IV.

Driving his Chevy Shillverado down Shilling Blvd, like he was mayor of Shillverton.

[Akhenaten]

Driving his Chevy Shillverado down Shilling Blvd, like he was mayor of Shillverton.





You did skepticism proud, but there's only so much one Ferengi can do.

Welcome to the Dark Side.

;)

[alawaiman]

Hey all,
Wow, it seems there has been much discussion about this "wand". I'm trying to convince my dad to do the bind test but he still insists "no need, it's been proven". He refuses to do a true blind test. I've been so busy that I haven't been looking at this page for weeks. I hope someone really does do the test and lays this silliness to rest.:boggled:

[Akhenaten]

Lay it to rest? It's been pushing up daisies since February.

Do you really think you'll trick the members of this Forum into taking this stick seriously enough to organise some kind of test? Really?

You're selling these things, mate, so it's pretty much your responsiblity.

[Ladewig]

Hey all,
Wow, it seems there has been much discussion about this "wand". I'm trying to convince my dad to do the bind test but he still insists "no need, it's been proven".

His perspective does make sense. Right now, he has a device that reduces his pain. If he took a blinded test that showed that the whole thing was placebo, then he would have nothing. He have less than nothing because he would be out $250. I would guess that he could recoup about half of that by selling it on eBay.

If it is important for you to win the argument, try to convince him that there is $1,000,000 waiting for him if he can pass a couple of blinded tests.


He refuses to do a true blind test. I've been so busy that I haven't been looking at this page for weeks. I hope someone really does do the test and lays this silliness to rest.:boggled:

This silliness will never be laid to rest. There are people who will always desire a mystical healing wand and as long as there are con-artists to sell them, there will be people who buy them.

I have no statistics to back up this assertion, but I believe there are a lot of people over 50 who would choose the wand if given a choice between a goose that laid golden eggs and a wand that heals all illnesses and makes one feel young again.

[Stray Cat]

Well I certainly wont be buying another of those geese... that was a right royal rip off! :rolleyes:

ETA: DAMMIT!!! I just realised, I bumped this thread.... sorry.

[Alley Cat]

Well I certainly wont be buying another of those geese... that was a right royal rip off! :rolleyes:

Can I borrow your wand when you've finished with it...?

[alawaiman]

If I was selling these "wands" I would try to sell them directly because I believe it is some kind of pyramid scheme. So obviously I'm not selling them. So please don't tell me what I am or am not doing. I'm not telling what you are or aren't doing. It seems someone on this thread has bought one, let me know the results. I'm waiting with excitement.

One test that seems popular is wanding lemon slices. Apparently it reduces the acidity. So you could try that test and then have someone taste wanded and unwanded slices.

[Akhenaten]

If I was selling these "wands" I would try to sell them directly because I believe it is some kind of pyramid scheme. So obviously I'm not selling them. So please don't tell me what I am or am not doing.





I won't tell you that you are wasting your time then, or that you are not managing to convince anyone here that these "sticks" have any value.



I'm not telling what you are or aren't doing.





That's because you don't know.



It seems someone on this thread has bought one, let me know the results.





No.



I'm waiting with excitement.





My hovercraft is full of eels.



One test that seems popular is wanding lemon slices. Apparently it reduces the acidity. So you could try that test and then have someone taste wanded and unwanded slices.





How do you know this? Who are you talking to? Why?

[Sean84]

If I was selling these "wands" I would try to sell them directly because I believe it is some kind of pyramid scheme.
You are trying to convince people because it is some kind of pyramid scheme.

So obviously I'm not selling them.
Very clearly wrong.

So please don't tell me what I am or am not doing. I'm not telling what you are or aren't doing.
I'm doing exactly that. Deal with it.

It seems someone on this thread has bought one, let me know the results. I'm waiting with excitement.
The other shill? He outed himself already.

One test that seems popular is wanding lemon slices. Apparently it reduces the acidity. So you could try that test and then have someone taste wanded and unwanded slices.
In no way whatsoever is that a test. That is a lemon tasting. That is meaningless for your ridiculous piece of junk.

[Foolmewunz]

Counting down to next unsolicited but very concerned newbie poster testimonial..... 10..... 9..... 8.....