Surprise –Surprise.

[Paul Bethke]

GOOD afternoon to ALL out yonder.

Surprise –Surprise.

One must always have an alternative plan of action---So as many of you have anticipated---I will change my mind and issue a new date.
BUT this time it will be Friday 16th January 2004.9:30 PM Eastern Time.
Then there is Saturday the 17th.

Charlie in Dayton
...oh, by the way, Paul, I can still see...anyone want to take bets on whether I won't be able to after 12:31 AM EST 16 Jan 2004 (which comes to 9:31 PM in Vegas)?

...[crickets chirping]...

...didn't think so...

I am sorry to put you folks through this trepidation---BUT---
Randi’s commentary is a good reason for the postponement-----

From Randi’s commentary.
This page will be posted while the entire JREF is in Las Vegas at The Amaz!ng Meeting 2, and I hope that those attending will check in to read it, particularly because the author of our opening piece will be present. You may wish to meet him and discuss his comments….

Extract from Jacob Spinney
My name's Jacob Spinney. I am an 18-year-old student from Phoenix, AZ.
I'm not the kind of atheist who would ever convert to a belief just because of an emotional appeal. I need evidence, and after I made this clear, they told me about a "retreat" they were having. In this retreat they were going to have an author/"campus crusader," Tom Short, speak on the proof that shows "Christianity is a thinking persons religion." So I signed up basically for the ability to honestly tell myself that I gave Christianity a chance.


Dinonychus
This is Dino, live at TAM2 where it is now 11:53pm local time and everyone here is doing fine. The skepchick slumber party started about 90 minutes ago and everyne here laughed when the clock struck 6:30pm local time and not a single person was blinded here in Las Vegas unless it was for a good reason. Being on Bethke's blinding list isn't a good reason.

Hotfoot
Liar! Deciever! Bringer of falsehoods! The photographs of the blinding will soon be developed! The anguished cries of the blinded resonated through the city of sin. Even now, the shocked skepchicks are holding an emergency prayer meeting which is being broadcast live on the internet (PM me for details, I accept all major credit cards, paypal, and checks or money order). Randi has yet made no comment, but once the reality of the situation had set in, everyone was asked to leave the conference hall. Undoubtedly, tomorrow will see a drastic change in the conference

Hey Hotfoot you should be 21 by now?
I was not aware that you could see into the future!!

Enjoy what is left of TAM2

Randi’s closing statement on his commentary.
That's all, folks. I'll hustle to get another page ready in time for next week, if and when I recover from TAM2

There is no vindictiveness in my actions---I am aware that religion—especially Christianity has gone ALL-wrong and is full of hypocrisy and has obscured the TRUTH that is why I must get back to the BASICS.

Evidence first then we can talk—How’s that?



Cheers
Paul

[Cleopatra]

I am telling you Paul but you just don't listen.

If you promised for a gangbang to happen in TAM all of them would be on their knees praying for your prophecy to be fulfilled...

I talked to the ladies who are in Vegas tonight they asked me to send you kisses.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmouts.

:)

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Cleo

Cleopatra I am telling you Paul but you just don't listen.

If you promised for a gangbang to happen in TAM all of them would be on their knees praying for your prophecy to be fulfilled...

I talked to the ladies who are in Vegas tonight they asked me to send you kisses.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmouts.

No I do not think that would be a good idea to have that sort of things happening---
GOD destroyed a whole nation of gangbangers.

BTW I SEE I have to many surprises on the board.
Maybe the Moderators can take one off?

Cheers
Paul

[Zep]

Paul, can you type the word "God" with lower case letters in it, or are you too pathologically obsessive and always have use capital letters, eg. "GOD"?

[Paul Bethke]

Hello and howdy ZEP

Zep
Paul, can you type the word "God" with lower case letters in it, or are you too pathologically obsessive and always have use capital letters, eg. "GOD"?


"GOD" typed this way from my point of view distinguishes from ALL the other Gods that people worship.

I refer to the GOD of Israel, as being the ONLY GOD ALL other Gods are the imaginations of men.

Now sometimes this GOD tells His prophets to do certain things for emphasis---Like changing the dates!!!!

Cheers
Paul

[geni]

Thou shall not waste internet bandwith ch3 v45 from the lost book of works

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke before the TAM2 blinding date.
Hello Tricky

Sure I have made these statements before---BUT look at the coverage I have----There is no one on the Forum who has not heard them.

Like David and Goliath. David became famous for slaying Goliath.
I will slay so to speak the Goliath of Atheism---
It will be very interesting to hear how they try and explain what has happened.

Cheers
Paul

Paul Bethke:

And, it very interesting to hear when a stupid person explains what has not happened,
but your explanation and continued predictions do not make you less stupid.

[Suezoled]

well if I had believed in you before I would have most certainly lost my faith in you before now. You are quite the showman... for small change.

[Upchurch]

Remember our talk about integrety, Paul? This is what I was talking about.

[MRC_Hans]

:rolleyes:

It never ceases to amaze me that people can be this crazy and still remember to breathe in and out alternately.

Hans

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Churchie
Remember our talk about integrety, Paul? This is what I was talking about.

Sure but one can relent if the situation changes---My integrity stays in tact.
The question remains—Can I do what I predict or not?

Look I can sympathise with you ALL for having to constantly remind me of my failures as you put them—BUT there are reasons.
The means justifies the end result.

Are you ready for the next date-----Friday 16th January 2004. 9:30 PM Eastern Time?
That I understand to be 6:30 PM where you are.

Cheers for now

Paul

[biglee]

You know Paul, I haven't responded directly to you in quite some time, but this time, it requires a direct response.
But this will be the last time. You're boring, and I'm too busy for this idiocy.

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Howdy Biglee

quote:
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But wait, Paul's a liar, we all know that, yet here he appears to be telling the truth, except he can't tell the truth because he's a liar...and...and...
Damn that Harry Mudd!!!
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OK I am only a liar if what I say does not happen on Thursday------Then you can overlook ALL my other statements---agreed?

and

Originally posted by Paul Bethke If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.]

It didn't happen. So you're a liar, again. In fact, I've lost count of the lies. If you actually beleive yourself to be a prophet, you're a miserable failure. No one believes you're talking to god, because if he were, he'd tell you to stop acting like an idiot. Prophets require creditibility to be effective, you have none. Proclaiming "I changed my mind" hours after the fact, instead of before, destroys, rather the maintains your integrity.

But, it's been perfectly obvious for some time now that it's not about prohecy, it about attention. Comments like:

"Mark my words what I say I will do—Watchme—I need to be watched."

"You have never met anyone like me because I am unique in my presentation."

I pity you Paul, you're so desperate for attention, that you don't care that only attention you receive is scorn and ridicule. And that's truly sad.

Goodbye Paul, I'd say it's been fun, but that'd be a lie, and I don't want to steal your thunder.

[Hotfoot]

I was 21 yesterday. Today I'm 22. My vision is still 20/15. Keep prayng dude, you're better than eating carrots.

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Hottie

Hotfoot
I was 21 yesterday. Today I'm 22. My vision is still 20/15. Keep prayng dude, you're better than eating carrots.

Well let me take this opportunity to wish you everything of the best for the future. Your destiny is your own choice.

Cheers
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Hello again.

biglee
You know Paul, I haven't responded directly to you in quite some time, but this time, it requires a direct response.
But this will be the last time. You're boring, and I'm too busy for this idiocy.

Thanks anyway for your time to make this response it is very much appreciated.

It didn't happen. So you're a liar, again. In fact, I've lost count of the lies. If you actually beleive yourself to be a prophet, you're a miserable failure. No one believes you're talking to god, because if he were, he'd tell you to stop acting like an idiot. Prophets require creditibility to be effective, you have none. Proclaiming "I changed my mind" hours after the fact, instead of before, destroys, rather the maintains your integrity.

But, it's been perfectly obvious for some time now that it's not about prohecy, it about attention. Comments like:

"Mark my words what I say I will do—Watchme—I need to be watched."

"You have never met anyone like me because I am unique in my presentation."

I pity you Paul, you're so desperate for attention, that you don't care that only attention you receive is scorn and ridicule. And that's truly sad.

Goodbye Paul, I'd say it's been fun, but that'd be a lie, and I don't want to steal your thunder.

Like I said thanks for the comments---I now understand how the prophets of old felt.

Keep well
Paul

[jj]

Paul, please remember what it says about false prophets in Revelation.

22:18 - If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[Paul Bethke]

Hello jj
grumpy old skeptic

Paul, please remember what it says about false prophets in Revelation.

22:18 - If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

What you and others need to understand that whether or not my prediction about blinding materialises or not my message is exactly the same as that of Jesus and the apostle Paul.

Just because the blinding event does not take place as I say that does not make me a liar or false. Just ineffective.

Now without credentials people will ignore the message as has been demonstrated.
Again if I know for certainty that the blinding event will take place and it does not----Then it stands to reason that I must announce my attentions again and again.

Now whatever is said is true only to the point of nothing happening----BUT when it does take place there will be a change of attitude---So until then I must renew my prediction each time.

Sure I know that each time I speak with finality BUT that is prophecy, as I understand it.
The delay brings out the truth in people and from the different responses I learn to understand people better.

So let me take Biglee’s advise and say this
The blinding will take place regardless------Be it whenever----But it will take place.

So 16th January 2004 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time is as good a time as any.

Regards
Paul

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

So let me take Biglee’s advise and say this
The blinding will take place regardless------Be it whenever----But it will take place.

So 16th January 2004 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time is as good a time as any.

Regards
Paul

Paul, does that mean in 30 years when Upchurch is 92 or so (sorry, Upchurch :D ), if he goes blind, it will not be due to old age, but rather due to your prophecy?

[jj]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


Paul, does that mean in 30 years when Upchurch is 92 or so (sorry, Upchurch :D ), if he goes blind, it will not be due to old age, but rather due to your prophecy?

When each of us dies, that person will, effectively, be blind. This is, I think, Bethke's real point.

I would, though, if I believed in god, be very concerned of being a false prophet. :)

[jj]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello jj
grumpy old skeptic



quote:
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Paul, please remember what it says about false prophets in Revelation.

22:18 - If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
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What you and others need to understand that whether or not my prediction about blinding materialises or not my message is exactly the same as that of Jesus and the apostle Paul.

Just because the blinding event does not take place as I say that does not make me a liar or false. Just ineffective.


But you're adding to the prophecies in the bible, and that runs very clearly afoul of Revelation 22:18!

According to the author of Revelation any more prophecy at all will cause one to be cursed. Perhaps, then, it's that curse that prevents your blinding from working? :D

[BillHoyt]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello jj
grumpy old skeptic



What you and others need to understand that whether or not my prediction about blinding materialises or not my message is exactly the same as that of Jesus and the apostle Paul.

Just because the blinding event does not take place as I say that does not make me a liar or false. Just ineffective.

Now without credentials people will ignore the message as has been demonstrated.
Again if I know for certainty that the blinding event will take place and it does not----Then it stands to reason that I must announce my attentions again and again.

Now whatever is said is true only to the point of nothing happening----BUT when it does take place there will be a change of attitude---So until then I must renew my prediction each time.

Sure I know that each time I speak with finality BUT that is prophecy, as I understand it.
The delay brings out the truth in people and from the different responses I learn to understand people better.

So let me take Biglee’s advise and say this
The blinding will take place regardless------Be it whenever----But it will take place.

So 16th January 2004 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time is as good a time as any.

Regards
Paul

Cliff Notes version:

"The blinding will happen. On this date and time. Or maybe some other. If it doesn't ever happen, that doesn't make me wrong."

[Paul Bethke]

Evening jj
grumpy old skeptic

But you're adding to the prophecies in the bible, and that runs very clearly afoul of Revelation 22:18!

According to the author of Revelation any more prophecy at all will cause one to be cursed. Perhaps, then, it's that curse that prevents your blinding from working?

Let me clarify what prophecy is-----Prophecy is carrying out what is already written---NOT adding. I am repeating what has already taken place. Blinding people was done on a few occasions as recorded in the Scriptures.

So I am merely predicting that I will repeat what has already been done—NOTHING NEW.
If I predict that the sun will stop---This is ONLY repeating what has already been done.

So Grumpy cheer up.

Cheers
Paul

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Joshua Korosi


Originally posted by Paul Bethke

So let me take Biglee’s advise and say this
The blinding will take place regardless------Be it whenever----But it will take place.

So 16th January 2004 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time is as good a time as any.

Regards
Paul


Paul, does that mean in 30 years when Upchurch is 92 or so (sorry, Upchurch ), if he goes blind, it will not be due to old age, but rather due to your prophecy?


It would appear that way BUT I have an agenda that needs to be carried out long before then.

Keep well
Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


Paul, does that mean in 30 years when Upchurch is 92 or so (sorry, Upchurch :D ), Wha? Where's the love? You KNOW I'll only be 89 in 30 years.









or is that in 60 years?

[GroundStrength]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Joshua Korosi




It would appear that way BUT I have an agenda that needs to be carried out long before then.

Keep well
Paul

Does this scare anyone else?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Sure but one can relent if the situation changes---My integrity stays in tact.
The question remains—Can I do what I predict or not?Actually, my first question is, what changed? Not that you've ever outlined what the events were that led you to believe that the even was to be yesterday, but what happened to make you modifiy your prediction? Miscalculation in the position of the stars? Chicken bones didn't line up exactly right when you threw them? Is God just yanking your chain? What gives?

[jj]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

Let me clarify what prophecy is-----Prophecy is carrying out what is already written---NOT adding. I am repeating what has already taken place. Blinding people was done on a few occasions as recorded in the Scriptures.

Sorry, Paul, you're making new prophecy when you prophesize that somebody who wasn't alive at the time of writing of Revelation is going to be blinded.

You ARE doing exactly what Revelation says not to do, Paul, you just are.

Good luck!

[xouper]

Upchurch: Actually, my first question is, what changed? Not that you've ever outlined what the events were that led you to believe that the even was to be yesterday, but what happened to make you modifiy your prediction? Miscalculation in the position of the stars? Chicken bones didn't line up exactly right when you threw them? Is God just yanking your chain? What gives?What happened is that GOD officially denied his request.

HE said so HIMSELF last month in the following thread:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32522

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by xouper
What happened is that GOD officially denied his request. Oh. So he did. How 'bout that? You don't usually get such straight forward and definitive answers from the big guy.

[LFTKBS]

Paul -

Would it be possible for you to blind yourself using the powers with which GOD has annointed you?

I submit that you cannot blind yourself, no matter how hard you try.

Even if you jabbed an icepick into your eye, you would not go blind. This is my prophecy. Prove me wrong.

[FFed]

Dude you really need to get a life.

Or at the very least go out and get laid.

[Morwen]

Originally posted by GroundStrength


Does this scare anyone else?

Given our li'l prophet previous record of sterling success? Not even one tiny little bit, no.

(Edited: typo)

[Chad Noles]

So 16th January 2004 at 9:30 PM Eastern Time is as good a time as any.

There must not be any good time.

[Solitaire]

Remote Viewers Blind To Amazing Meeting
Skeptic Newswire – Monday, January 19, 2004

While skeptics around the world attended the Amazing
Meeting this past weekend, the CFI has been performing
a series of experiments with remote viewers at various
locations around the world in an attempt to discover
precisely what happened at the Skeptic Chick’s Pajama
Party. Repeat attempts to glean inside information resulted
failed. “It’s as if some force blinded them,” said the director
of the experiment. “I didn’t see anything,” said one participant
sadly. The experiment was dutifully concluded and a period of
wild fanaticizing ensued.

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Churchie


Sure but one can relent if the situation changes---My integrity stays in tact.
The question remains—Can I do what I predict or not?

Look I can sympathise with you ALL for having to constantly remind me of my failures as you put them—BUT there are reasons.
The means justifies the end result.

Are you ready for the next date-----Friday 16th January 2004. 9:30 PM Eastern Time?
That I understand to be 6:30 PM where you are.

Cheers for now

Paul

Moving the goal post,


all in the kingodom of GOD is ambiguous


all in the Kingdoem of GOD is subject to convenience

all in the Kingdom of got is flexible

all in the Kindom of GOD is subject to change whenever the management sees fit. Changes will be communicated by spokespersons chosen by management.

[Kopji]

ooo, letsee... there was something of a freak snow storm went through beautiful downtown Flagstaff this evening. Nowhere else, just in this one little spot - LIKE A TARGET!!!

To a god wayyyy out there somewhere looking down at earth this is pretty darn close to Vegas.

And the snow was "Blinding" even.
I, I ... BELIEVE!

Aww darn I lost it again...

[EvilBiker]

Argh. Both LightPiercingDarkness and Paul Bethke cycle back into existence, like unwanted dirty comets.

I've been trying to put some significance to this event - sadly, the only conclusion I can come up with is that idiocy is everlasting.

[Zep]

Hear ye the word of GOD. Amen.

Revelations, Ch19, verse 20.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Letters to the Ephesians, Ch4, verse 29.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Thanks be to GOD.

Paul, it doesn't look good for you, my man. These are the big guy's pretty definite instructions about the sort of thing you are doing. Time for a little reflection and re-evaluation of your thought processes, yes?

[Paul Bethke]

What a dilemma-- What a dilemma-- What a dilemma.

Do you great minds still not understand?---That what I have said will occur.
A prophet makes the prediction based on the content of Scripture-----So what has been recorded as history is the licence to repeat that event again.

So what has been recorded I will repeat again in this day and age.
Jesus walked on the water---So if my faith is as his was when he was on earth some 1970 years ago I can do exactly what he did and more.

Now there is something for you great minds to think about.

Have a good day

Paul

[sparklecat]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Jesus walked on the water---So if my faith is as his was when he was on earth some 1970 years ago I can do exactly what he did and more.


Sorry then, but going by the evidence thus far, your faith wouldn't even come close.

Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.


Justine

[BillHoyt]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
It would appear that way BUT I have an agenda that needs to be carried out long before then.

Keep well
Paul

"Keep well" after threatening to blind people? What smarmy hypocrisy! But it gets worse, doesn't it. Paul here says he is engaging in prophesy. Prophecy is a prediction of the future. How does prophecy include "an agenda?" But worse yet is that Paul says "I have an agenda," not that he needs to carry out God's agenda Paul does indeed describe an agenda, not a prophesy. "I have an agenda" describes Paul's own agenda, not God's.

Given the above, do we not simply have a threat here? Granted it is paranormal in nature. But we must remain open-minded skeptics and accept it as a threat. We must also recognize the frustration in Paul's posts, and the possibility that he may not limit himself to a paranormal modus operandi.

In case I haven't been abundantly clear yet, the JREF rules against threats need to be enforced here. If we don't treat paranormal threats as any other threat, then we are not open-minded about the possibility of the paranormal. We can't have it both ways.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Evening jj
grumpy old skeptic



Let me clarify what prophecy is-----Prophecy is carrying out what is already written---NOT adding. I am repeating what has already taken place. Blinding people was done on a few occasions as recorded in the Scriptures.

So I am merely predicting that I will repeat what has already been done—NOTHING NEW.
If I predict that the sun will stop---This is ONLY repeating what has already been done.

So Grumpy cheer up.

Cheers
Paul
This post, and this thread, has been reported on the basis of a possible violation of the Forum rules regarding threats. The relevant rule reads as follows:


5. Posts that demonstrate a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person may be edited or deleted.
-This is clearly tricky, but examples might include specific and credible threats of violence to ones self or others. This does not mean that a poster will always be immune from insults or challenges to his/her postings. As noted above, the nature of the forum inevitably involves occasional strong emotions and opinions. While the JREF believes the most powerful arguments are based on logic, evidence, and reason, it also does not guarantee that every one of the thousands of members of this forum feel the same way. Thus, we strongly urge basic civility be the norm, but warn users that tempers can wear thin from time to time.
-Moderators will use extreme caution in this area, and will immediately notify Forum Administrator(s) of any action taken.
-Generally, no editing/deleting of posts is allowed simply because of the content of the post if it does not violate the other conditions listed here.
-Moderators should notify posters of requests to delete posts within a specified period before deleting them themselves, unless said posts are clearly illegal or are significant violations of this policy, in the opinion of the forum management.

Paul Bethke's continuing announcements that he is going to blind people by divine means does not meet the test of a credible threat.

Bethke is nothing more than a silly troll. I could invoke Forum Rule #7, but I decline to do so in this case, as his trolling is not particularly egregious.

[jj]

Originally posted by Pyrrho

This post, and this thread, has been reported on the basis of a possible violation of the Forum rules regarding threats. The relevant rule reads as follows:
---
Bethke is nothing more than a silly troll. I could invoke Forum Rule #7, but I decline to do so in this case, as his trolling is not particularly egregious.

For the record, it wasn't me who reported it!

I suppose, if we take Bethke seriously, that's a threat, but given his present accuracy, well, um, it would be about as credible as me saying that I'll make the sun blow up yesterday...

Paul, read Revelation. Perhaps some repentance is in order?

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
"GOD" typed this way from my point of view distinguishes from ALL the other Gods that people worship.

I refer to the GOD of Israel, as being the ONLY GOD ALL other Gods are the imaginations of men.

Now sometimes this GOD tells His prophets to do certain things for emphasis---Like changing the dates!!!!

Cheers
Paul

Ah! Maybe you should embolden it, as well. "GOD"

Sorta like the way I type the "WAR ON DRUGS" now. I find it really grabs the attention and lends an air of importance to a word.

Why do you think "GOD" has told you he will blind people. Why you? One time I thought God spoke to me. No lie. I was just waking up from a good sleep and my dream of having a conversation with someone was still playing... I only heard two lines of the conversation.

"Is this really God?" I asked as I came to... and in this big booming voice I heard "YES!"

At the time I was a little delusional and hanging out with new age types. Of course, my story only excited and encouraged them.

I had the idea I was here for a higher purpose, a secret mission, if you will. To bring more positive thought into reality and tip the scales to achieve a critical mass and we would all live in peace and love amongst the entities that existed on higher dimension.

This only lasted for a few months before I no longer needed that coping mechanism and started to really think critically about my beliefs.

Have you been through tremendously stressful times in your life? Because if you actually hear a voice speaking to you, it could well be an auditory hallucination and a sign of (possibly) something serious like a brain tumor.

Certainly you have had your doubts as to your own sanity. I mean, when you think about it, God wants to blind James Randi.

And if I am getting this correctly, God also wants to blind the people on the blinding list, as well.

God wants you to help him somehow? What exactly is your mission in all this? Are there times when you think "this doesn't make sense, but it's what God wants?"

Please, if you would share with me some details of your experiences that led you to believe all of this. I bet it's an interesting story.

[clinttaylor]

**spoken in a taunting manner**
























Nobody went blind!!
Nobody went blind!!
Nyah, nyah, nya nah, nah!!!





















But my feet were itching real bad....

[Zep]

Paul Bethke: What a dilemma-- What a dilemma-- What a dilemma.

Do you great minds still not understand?---That what I have said will occur.
A prophet makes the prediction based on the content of Scripture-----So what has been recorded as history is the licence to repeat that event again.

So what has been recorded I will repeat again in this day and age.
Jesus walked on the water---So if my faith is as his was when he was on earth some 1970 years ago I can do exactly what he did and more.

Now there is something for you great minds to think about.

Have a good day

PaulTo be honest, I had to read this through a few times to see if I could make any sense out of it. Now I'm fairly good at comprehension, even with people writing English as a second language, but this is bordering on pure surrealism. And since Paul is finding it harder and harder to respond coherently, I'm wondering if we have either a gross troll, or more likely someone who needs genuine psychiatric help...

In which case I would rather we leave him well alone - in responding to him in a taunting fashion (tempting though it is!), we may be fueling a personal fire that does not need to be so.

[MRC_Hans]

Uhhh, obviously PB is in need of help, badly. The post you quote is either from a joker or a lunatic, and since we can probably rule out the humoristic interpretation......

Maybe it's wrong to taunt him, but it really seems he needs no taunting. He is obviously craving for attention, and I suppose that if we tried to ignore him, he would just step up his lunacy till he got it.

Hans

[Paul Bethke]

Hello jj grumpy old skeptic AND ALL

For the record, it wasn't me who reported it!

I suppose, if we take Bethke seriously, that's a threat, but given his present accuracy, well, um, it would be about as credible as me saying that I'll make the sun blow up yesterday...

Paul, read Revelation. Perhaps some repentance is in order?

Hey Grumpy there are more threats in Revelations than you would care to mention ASK Ole Pyrrho---I have quoted many sections from there.

In actual fact the total message from the Scriptures are threats and threatening.

Consider this one from Zephania—1:2 I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth,”
declares the LORD. 3 “I will sweep away both men and animals; I will sweep away the birds of the air and the fish of the sea. The wicked will have only heaps of rubble when I cut off man from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.

So JUST because I quote the Scriptures I must take the responsibility for what happens.

Regards
Paul

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
-This is clearly tricky, but examples might include specific and credible threats of violence to ones self or others.
I had nothing to do with it. I am the sweetest guy you will ever meet. Well, except for the people I have dragged into Flame Wars and (metaphorically) beaten within an inch of their lives.

Of course, I would never make the mistake challenging Paul B. and his god. there is such a thing as being bored to death.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Tricky

I had nothing to do with it. I am the sweetest guy you will ever meet. Well, except for the people I have dragged into Flame Wars and (metaphorically) beaten within an inch of their lives.



:rolleyes:

Yeah you, cheri, have blinded us with your flaming wit....

[Paul Bethke]

Greetings tamiO

I have had no voices—Just a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures—Perhaps my profession as a high voltage technician helps me understand what can not be seen.

The evidence of electricity only becomes evident when the kettle boils.
The evidence of the reality of “GOD” can only be experienced when you put His commands into practice.

So the blinding of Randi and Co. will give those who do not believe in “GOD” the evidence of FAITH.

Keep Well
Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false. At no point was I blind on January 15, 2004, or any of the days following. By your own words, you are false.
Now is that perfectly clear? It is to me. Is it perfectly clear to you? Or have you lied?

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Perhaps my profession as a high voltage technician helps me understand what can not be seen.
Watt's the problem here? This guy has a lot of potenial, but currently is meeting a lot of resistance. Ohm my, I'm shocked.
But if he succeeds, I'll take out my Martin and perform as Blind Long Island Iced Tea on the blues circuit.

[jj]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey

Watt's the problem here? This guy has a lot of potential, but currently is meeting a lot of resistance. Ohm my, I'm shocked.
But if he succeeds, I'll take out my Martin and perform as Blind Long Island Iced Tea on the blues circuit.

Will you coloumb your hair so we can siemen next to you? I'll help you kirkoff your band, and get Mho to stop his impedence, too. Perhaps the conservatives will offer too much reactance, though, since they're going through a negative phase? Oh, the magnitude of it all!

(blast it, Jeff, you took all the good ones, those are a big reach!)

[Jeff Corey]

Yeah, I guess I was a bit wired when I posted that.
I'm out of gauss, now.

[jj]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
Yeah, I guess I was a bit wired when I posted that.
I'm out of gauss, now.
I knew you'd get a charge out of that!

You were just coiling to strike again, weren't you? That's no farad! I mean, did you ask Henry about it, or just decide by induction?

[jj]

double post
double post

[Zep]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Consider this one from Zephania—1:2 I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth,”
declares the LORD. 3 “I will sweep away both men and animals; I will sweep away the birds of the air and the fish of the sea. [b]The wicked will have only heaps of rubble when I cut off man from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD. Zephaniah 3:13
The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

Paul, you have some reading and thinking to do.

[kittynh]

Paul, your plan failed because we all were given magic amythest crystals at the beginning of the conference. We weren't told why, but were asked to keep them with us at all times! It wasn't until Sunday that we were told they were supposed to have magic qualities that would protect us!

[jj]

Originally posted by Zep
Zephaniah 3:13
The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

Paul, you have some reading and thinking to do.


Malachi 1:14

But cursed be the deceiver, ... : for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.

Habakkuk 2:9

Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil!


2:10
Thou hast consulted shame to thy house by cutting off many people, and hast sinned against thy soul.

2:11
For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.

[jj]

Originally posted by kittynh
Paul, your plan failed because we all were given magic amythest crystals at the beginning of the conference. We weren't told why, but were asked to keep them with us at all times! It wasn't until Sunday that we were told they were supposed to have magic qualities that would protect us!

Did you get them from a guy who called himself "Lord Obsidian"? :)

[Yahweh]

To the people who reported the thread,

Paul Bethke is like a bunny, he wouldnt hurt anyone.

From his posts, he doesnt appear to be threatening anyone, but he is warning them of the clear and present danger ahead.

He's been at these forums for years, and he doesnt seem like the type to hurt anyone. And bunnies are soft, its fun to feed carrots to bunnies.

[Paul Bethke]

My capacitance for the corona is of a peak nature, To be able to dissipate all this influx of harmonics I need to filter it through.

What is said in the Scriptures is true and it has taken me back to my original understanding.
To SEE they must first become blind.

Potentially speaking I will continue,
I generate the true message. And I will not alternate, it is direct, and I will transform this world.


Regards
Paul

[Zep]

Man, I gotta get me some of that sh*t...

[Paul Bethke]

Hello Churchie

Originally posted by Paul Bethke

If you are not blind at 9:31 PM EST January 15, 2004 then I am unable to carry out what I predict---That will make me false.

At no point was I blind on January 15, 2004, or any of the days following. By your own words, you are false.
quote:

Now is that perfectly clear?

It is to me. Is it perfectly clear to you? Or have you lied?


Looking back at all the pics and fun everyone seems to have had----I can now go ahead with PLAN B.
PLAN A was to let ALL think that I am unable to carry out my prediction.

Cheers for now.

Paul

[Lothian]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hello Churchie




Looking back at all the pics and fun everyone seems to have had----I can now go ahead with PLAN B.
PLAN A was to let ALL think that I am unable to carry out my prediction.

Cheers for now.

Paul Does PLAN B involve taking photographs of demons in your cellar?

[Zep]

I don't think we have any further hope of getting any logical or rational responses from Paul Bethke from now on. (Not that his previous reponses have been entirely rational either, but let that pass.) He has made vast prophecy (again) in the name of his god, called fire and brimstone down on us in a specific curse, and (as expected) both he and his god have failed to deliver. And now he is making pathetic excuses.

In the past, failed seers and prophets were usually burned at the stake for witchcraft (well, they are in the Christian Bible anyway), but I'm sure we don't need to be doing that here at JREF, even metaphorically. Education with facts in the face of ignorance is our goal, not torture of a tortured individual.

So can I suggest we leave Paul alone now to stew away in his own little world? That's what I'm going to do anyway.

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
My capacitance for the corona is of a peak nature, To be able to dissipate all this influx of harmonics I need to filter it through. ..
Potentially speaking I will continue,
I generate the true message. And I will not alternate, it is direct, and I will transform this world.

OK, whether you're AC or DC (or both), you still have a faulty ground.
"I don't know why you were inverted..,"
George Harrison

[Paul Bethke]

Hi Jeff I hope you don’t blow a fuse or trip.

Originally posted by
Jeff Corey

OK, whether you're AC or DC (or both), you still have a faulty ground.
"I don't know why you were inverted..,"
George Harrison


I am totally insulated from all factors of lightning. My surge arresting is of a phenomenal discharge capability --Having been rectified—I will go on to suppress all sources of interference.

Illuminatedly

Paul

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Looking back at all the pics and fun everyone seems to have had----I can now go ahead with PLAN B.
PLAN A was to let ALL think that I am unable to carry out my prediction.:dl:

And what did you accomplish with PLAN A? We never thought you could carry out your prediction before. At best, you've maintained the status que.

You know, I don't even find myself remotely curious what PLAN B is. huh.

[alfaniner]

Time to pull the plug on this thread.

[Paul Bethke]

alfaniner

Time to pull the plug on this thread.

BLACKOUT

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
Hi Jeff I hope you don’t blow a fuse or trip.




I am totally insulated from all factors of lightning. My surge arresting is of a phenomenal discharge capability --Having been rectified—I will go on to suppress all sources of interference.

Illuminatedly

Paul

Or as Homer Simpson once said:

God is smiteful god!
Oh god! Tell me who to smote and they shall be smoten!

:p

[shanek]

Originally posted by Paul Bethke
PLAN A was to let ALL think that I am unable to carry out my prediction.

For the record, it was a rousing success.

[KonTiki]

I think that the only way this thread could be any more amusingly futile is if Answer were to join in. String theory, anyone? :p

[deBergerac]

The problem with being new in the forum is that sometimes one is not up to date. There were a lot of people at TAM talking about not being blind, a lot more than I usually encounter, now I understand why. :)

[jj]

Hasn't it occurred to anyone yet that all this is is an enormous wind-up?

This guy hasn't tried to blind anyone and knows it ain't a-gonna happen. He's just pulling our collective legs.

[Charlie in Dayton]

Originally posted by jj
Hasn't it occurred to anyone yet that all this is is an enormous wind-up?

This guy hasn't tried to blind anyone and knows it ain't a-gonna happen. He's just pulling our collective legs.

Well, I'll agree that he's pulling something...

[Zep]

Originally posted by jj
Hasn't it occurred to anyone yet that all this is is an enormous wind-up?

This guy hasn't tried to blind anyone and knows it ain't a-gonna happen. He's just pulling our collective legs. Uh huh, and we fell for it BIG TIME. :)

But let's wait until he gets to up to Plan 9...from Outer Space. That should be fun.

[jj]

Originally posted by Zep
Uh huh, and we fell for it BIG TIME. :)

But let's wait until he gets to up to Plan 9...from Outer Space. That should be fun.

But, after the incident, who will play the part of the undertaker?:D

[Zep]

Originally posted by jj
But, after the incident, who will play the part of the undertaker?:D It's just a jump to the left...