Two huge earthquakes, yet no psychic predicted them?

[Dr. Lao]

go figure:p

[Spindrift]

Give them time. I'm sure some of them will come up with retro-predictions.

[Denver]

Now that some will perceive a trend, I bet the predictions are about to kick up.

[kuroyume0161]

Yeah, sharp tacks there. There have been many more than two huge earthquakes in the South American region recently - just that several of them were well away from population centers. But I digress (as do idiot psychotics).

[HumanityBlues]

Not true. Psychics will pretend they predicted them AFTER the fact.

I expect this charlatan to: http://spiritmanjoseph.blogspot.com/

He has posted under his predictions: "It will also be a very bad year for weather patterns. We will see more destructive storms, earthquakes & volcano eruptions. 2010 will be the year of the Earthquake with quakes rattling area’s that have never experienced a quake before."

Ironically, he seems unaware of the logical fallacy that every area near a fault line has experienced an earthquake before.

He also wrote this: "One major quake will be at least 6.0 to 8.0 and that particular one may occur near the coast of Venezuela and Brazil. One island will be completely leveled after experiencing the worst quake ever."

If you leave this stuff just vague enough, you can always take credit. Coast of Venezuela and Brazil becomes coast of Chile. In fact, look how many quakes he's predicted. He can't lose.

[kuroyume0161]

Not true. Psychics will pretend they predicted them AFTER the fact.

I expect this charlatan to: http://spiritmanjoseph.blogspot.com/

He has posted under his predictions: "It will also be a very bad year for weather patterns. We will see more destructive storms, earthquakes & volcano eruptions. 2010 will be the year of the Earthquake with quakes rattling area’s that have never experienced a quake before."

Ironically, he seems unaware of the logical fallacy that every area near a fault line has experienced an earthquake before.

He also wrote this: "One major quake will be at least 6.0 to 8.0 and that particular one may occur near the coast of Venezuela and Brazil. One island will be completely leveled after experiencing the worst quake ever."

If you leave this stuff just vague enough, you can always take credit. Coast of Venezuela and Brazil becomes coast of Chile. In fact, look how many quakes he's predicted. He can't lose.

No they can't - fortunately. If I predict that it will rain/snow/be sunny/we'll have full moons that ISN'T prediction. It is playing the odds in your favor. When one of these leeches puts a frigging date and place on a prediction (and it actually happens) then I might start to consider that the ability has any merit beyond self-delusion or sham. Then they have to do it several times to make a case. :)

[Spindrift]

No they can't - fortunately. If I predict that it will rain/snow/be sunny/we'll have full moons that ISN'T prediction. It is playing the odds in your favor. When one of these leeches puts a frigging date and place on a prediction (and it actually happens) then I might start to consider that the ability has any merit beyond self-delusion or sham. Then they have to do it several times to make a case. :)
Yes, they can, unfortunately.
You do realize that these people lie for a living? So lying about a prediction they didn't really make is par for the course. Now will they really have made the prediction? No. But reality usually is not an impediment to them getting people to believe them.

[kuroyume0161]

Yes, they can, unfortunately.
You do realize that these people lie for a living? So lying about a prediction they didn't really make is par for the course. Now will they really have made the prediction? No. But reality usually is not an impediment to them getting people to believe them.

I was ignoring post-diction, obviously. :D

Yes, lying is definitely par for the course. How else could they make pre (post) dictions?

[HumanityBlues]

I was ignoring post-diction, obviously. :D

Yes, lying is definitely par for the course. How else could they make pre (post) dictions?

Hey, the guy has a blogspot blog. He can just go back in time and put an exact date on it and none of us would know the difference unless google cached it. In fact, I'll do it right now on my blog so you can see: http://www.humanityblues.com/2008/02/psychic-predictions-for-2010.html

See. Hehehe. I should really do this for a living.

Edit: Just in case anyone calls me out for the moral ambiguity there, I put a disclaimer on my most recent post.

[Orphia Nay]

Hey, the guy has a blogspot blog. He can just go back in time and put an exact date on it and none of us would know the difference unless google cached it. In fact, I'll do it right now on my blog so you can see: http://www.humanityblues.com/2008/02/psychic-predictions-for-2010.html

See. Hehehe. I should really do this for a living.

:)

[Legend]

Give them time. I'm sure some of them will come up with retro-predictions.

Yeah! I mean c'mon, it's not like they can... oh wait... nevermind.

Alex.

[likelystory]

The Scriptures predicted Earthquakes in diverse places when knowledge and travel increases near the time of the End.

Without the increase of technology of communications then the world as a whole would not know of the different Earthquakes in ''super fast time''.

So that's proof for many including me. Don't miss the boat there Skeptics.

[Legend]

Well I don't know what good a boat's going to do for you in the Apocalypse, but I'll cross my fingers for you in eternal damnation.

Alex.

[Hokulele]

Please name a time in history when knowledge and travel have not increased. Please do not focus solely on Western history.

[likelystory]

Please name a time in history when knowledge and travel have not increased. Please do not focus solely on Western history.

Not until Commercial Air Travel and International Phone Lines...

[Mirrorglass]

Hey, the guy has a blogspot blog. He can just go back in time and put an exact date on it and none of us would know the difference unless google cached it. In fact, I'll do it right now on my blog so you can see: http://www.humanityblues.com/2008/02/psychic-predictions-for-2010.html

See. Hehehe. I should really do this for a living.

Edit: Just in case anyone calls me out for the moral ambiguity there, I put a disclaimer on my most recent post.

That'd be more impressive if the time of the posting wasn't clearly visible below the entry. :D

[Legend]

Not until Commercial Air Travel and International Phone Lines...

Not until the car and the telegraph...

Alex.

[likelystory]

Not until the car and the telegraph...

Alex.

LOL

[Patricio Elicer]

Well, the "Mago Yin", a psychic from El Salvador, "predicted" the Chilean earthquake of February 27th, 2010..... or... did he?

He was interviewed on El Salvador TV program on late 2009, and said: "... amongst the most important earthquakes for 2010, there's a big one for Chile"

knk-xVAWuGk

The said program starts at 1:20 on the video and his "prediction" at 1:36.

Can it be considered a hit?

[Legend]

LOL

Am I missing something in your cryptic borderline nonsensical posts, again?

Try this...

Not until civilians in space and communicative holograms...

Alex.

[Hokulele]

Not until Commercial Air Travel and International Phone Lines...


If knowledge and travel did not increase before then, it kind of makes me wonder how we developed the technology and infrastructure to support these two things.

[likelystory]

Am I missing something in your cryptic borderline nonsensical posts, again?

Try this...

Not until civilians in space and communicative holograms...

Alex.

Hey Fat Cat went to bed hours ago, so what are you doing up?

Aeroplanes and Phones explanation is the answer,ok :)

[Hokulele]

If you are only talking about the modern period, rather than history since the compilation of the bible, judging by the cuts to various space programs, travel and knowledge is decreasing these days.

[Legend]

Hey Fat Cat went to bed hours ago, so what a you doing up?

Well that was lame.

And doesn't make sense.

10 for effort, though.

Alex.

[likelystory]

If you are only talking about the modern period, rather than history since the compilation of the bible, judging by the cuts to various space programs, travel and knowledge is decreasing these days.

Are you kidding? Knowledge increase has gone through the roof. Availibilty of computers and eletronic warfare, nuclear weapons throughout many countries.

All foretold.

[Hokulele]

Are you kidding? Knowledge increase has gone through the roof. Availibilty of computers and eletronic warfare, nuclear weapons throughout many countries.

All foretold.


Pff. That is so 1960's. Now the 1600's, that was a time for knowledge increase.


ETA: Besides, you are just talking about simple improvements in manufacturing and distribution. Where is the knowledge increase?

[Legend]

"Foretold" doesn't mean the same thing in English, likelystory.

Alex.

[Tricky]

Are you kidding? Knowledge increase has gone through the roof. Availibilty of computers and eletronic warfare, nuclear weapons throughout many countries.

All foretold.
I believe she is referring to the fact that we are no longer traveling to or getting knowledge from such places as "the moon".

But you know, all the "foretelling" that you're indicating is about as useful as foretelling when the next sunrise will be. If you can't foretell the time and place of an earthquake, then your scriptures are worthless at foretelling. Same thing for the works of Nostradamus.

[Hokulele]

Or "Mars", or "the asteroid belt", or "Proxima Centauri" ...

[likelystory]

I believe she is referring to the fact that we are no longer traveling to or getting knowledge from such places as "the moon".

But you know, all the "foretelling" that you're indicating is about as useful as foretelling when the next sunrise will be. If you can't foretell the time and place of an earthquake, then your scriptures are worthless at foretelling. Same thing for the works of Nostradamus.

Hey that's your opinion about the prophecies in Scriptures. To others as myself the unfolding events of the world is Scripturally Sound.

Look at Israel,it's a Nation again and it's desert's are huge food producers like never before, all due to technology as foretold by the prophets.

[Hokulele]

Pff. Your scriptures also featured a talking donkey.

[likelystory]

Pff. Your scriptures also featured a talking donkey.

Wouldn't you have liked to of been there to marvel.

[Hokulele]

Wouldn't you have liked to of been there to marvel.


Considering the various restrictions on women at the time, no.

[likelystory]

Considering the various restrictions on women at the time, no.

What's a witnessing a talking donkey got to do with restrictions upon women back then?

[Hokulele]

What's a witnessing a talking donkey got to do with restrictions upon women back then?


You asked if I would have "liked to of [sic] been there" and considering "there" is a place and time that I consider to be relatively barbaric, the answer is no. Now, if you can produce a talking donkey* here and now, I would be interested.






* - Shrek doesn't count.

[likelystory]

You asked if I would have "liked to of [sic] been there" and considering "there" is a place and time that I consider to be relatively barbaric, the answer is no. Now, if you can produce a talking donkey* here and now, I would be interested.






* - Shrek doesn't count.

Oh so if there's a talking donkey in an area of the world that's currently barbaric then it's a no go zone for you.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

The seismograph has been around for over 100 years. All big earthquakes everywhere in the World have been known since then. Modern communications be damned.

[Hokulele]

Oh so if there's a talking donkey in an area of the world that's currently barbaric then it's a no go zone for you.


Correct.

But if there were a talking donkey, I am pretty sure public interest would take it out of the barbaric locations pretty quickly, and I will freely admit that I am far more likely to see and hear a talking donkey than the "End of the World!!!11!" as described in Revelation.

[quarky]

Couldn't a good psychic spend a few hours a day making all manner of predictions in some time-verifiable form, eventually getting lucky with one of them, and then erase all the losers and make a big noise about the inevitable lucky hit?

Or, would that be like cheating?

Tecumseh, whom was actually quite charismatic, made a chilling prediction that fit well with the big New Madrid quake. They just don't make them like him anymore.

[Drewbot]

Wasn't there a guy who came to JREF after every natural disaster and linked to his forum comments elsewhere, and came to the convoluted conclusion that he was predicting it after the disaster happened? I think he said he predicted 9-11 or something like that, 5 or 6 years after the fact.

[Tricky]

Hey that's your opinion about the prophecies in Scriptures. To others as myself the unfolding events of the world is Scripturally Sound.
When your "sound" scriptures actually predict a specific (rather than general) disaster so that people can prepare for it, I'll be impressed. Until then it seems that they are completely useless.

Look at Israel,it's a Nation again and it's desert's are huge food producers like never before, all due to technology as foretold by the prophets.
This is what is known as a "self-fulfilling prophecy". A bunch of people wanted that prophecy to be true (including a lot of Christians who were hoping to jump-start the End of Times) and they worked hard to make it true.

If there was a prophecy that there will be breakfast on my table tomorrow, then I get up and make breakfast, Is that because it was a brilliant prophecy?

[Hokulele]

Wasn't there a guy who came to JREF after every natural disaster and linked to his forum comments elsewhere, and came to the convoluted conclusion that he was predicting it after the disaster happened? I think he said he predicted 9-11 or something like that, 5 or 6 years after the fact.


Raptor Witness did this a lot. Hurricanes, tornadoes, 9/11, and the housing crisis were all his "predictions". Wacky graphics were another one of his specialties.

[Orphia Nay]

Not until Commercial Air Travel and International Phone Lines...

Special Pleading fallacy.

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Special_pleading

Not until the car and the telegraph...

Alex.

:D

[likelystory]

Special Pleading fallacy.

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Special_pleading



:D

The ''to and fro'' in Scripture refers to Air Travel, and the knowledge increase is referring to the communications such as the International Phones with the knowledge increase in media such as television,internet,medicine,contruction,electroni c gadget,DESTRUCTIVE WEAPONS, household goods.....

So I don't have a bout or case of Special Pleading Fallacy.

[Legend]

So you're talking about...

Air Travel

Early 20th Century.

International Phones

Late 19th Century.

television

First half of the 20th Century.

internet

1970s/80s, possibly earlier if you include the way it started in war.

medicine

Since forever.

contruction

Since forever.

electroni c gadget

Since a freakin' long time.

DESTRUCTIVE WEAPONS

First gun, maybe? First catapult, maybe?

household goods

Since forever.

God's has been giving us clues for a damn long time. Of course, "forever" is very encompassing. But when you consider birds use rocks to smash up their food, it's a very, very long time.

Alex.

[likelystory]

So you're talking about...



Early 20th Century.



Late 19th Century.



First hald of the 20th Century.



1970s/80s, possibly earlier if you include the way it started in war.



Since forever.



Since forever.



Since a freakin' long time.



First gun, maybe? First catapult, maybe?



Since forever.

God's has been giving us clues for a damn long time.

Alex.

out of context again..... bye

[Legend]

Oh yeah, of course.

Though, granted your posts use a tiny fraction of the words that should be used when responding to proper argument, are cryptic and in muddled, bearly discernable English, I suppose there's room for debate.

Alex.

[Safe-Keeper]

The ''to and fro'' in Scripture refers to Air Travel, and the knowledge increase is referring to the communications such as the International Phones with the knowledge increase in media such as television,internet,medicine,contruction,electroni c gadget,DESTRUCTIVE WEAPONS, household goods.....
Which begs the question -- how do you know this?

[yomero]

Today, on the first week of Spring season 2010, I predict that this Summer will be hot in South Texas.

[Andrew Wiggin]

No shortage of woo predictions, and given a suitably large and ambiguous set of 'predictions' it's pretty easy to claim success on just about any event, AFTER THE FACT. For actual predictions, I'd look and see if psychics in areas affected by earthquakes evacuated before the quake hit...

A

[Hokulele]

Likelystory, do you understand the difference between knowledge and information? Science and applied science? Contact and communication?

Sometimes it amazes me how much people can twist meanings of things, other times it depresses me.

[likelystory]

Which begs the question -- how do you know this?

It's here now to see if you open your eyes.

[rorylee]

i predict more earthquakes in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and so on =]

[Legend]

It's here now to see if you open your eyes.

You understand the total pointlessness and hypocrisy of what you've said right here?

Alex.

[shadron]

The Scriptures predicted Earthquakes in diverse places when knowledge and travel increases near the time of the End.

Without the increase of technology of communications then the world as a whole would not know of the different Earthquakes in ''super fast time''.

So that's proof for many including me. Don't miss the boat there Skeptics.

We don' need no steenkin super fast communications.

The current state of the art in seismic equipment is that a 5.0 earthquake can be detected from any place in the world at a lab such as the School of Mines in Golden, CO. It might be muted if it is in the shadow of the Earth's liquid core (S-waves - shear body waves - are lost in a liquid environment), but most all display at least the Rayleigh surface waves. That means some 20 or more quakes a day are recorded, and there is no apparent increase with time, only increased sensitivity.

Skeptics are riding in the airplane over your shipboard head.

[GrandMasterFox]

likelystory, here's one for you. You say we're near the end of times?
Okay. How near are we?

A week? A year? 10 years? 20 years? 1000 years?

The 2012 believers will have to put up or shut up at 2012.
Either they'll be right or they'll be wrong and drop the story entirely.

Can you give us a date and state for the record that if the end of times won't happen until that date, you will admit to being wrong?

[Legend]

Hah.

From what I've experienced, 2012 believers are nothing more than attention seekers. Rare would be the person who honestly, to themselves, believes it'll be the end of the world come 2012.

Alex.

[likelystory]

likelystory, here's one for you. You say we're near the end of times?
Okay. How near are we?

A week? A year? 10 years? 20 years? 1000 years?

The 2012 believers will have to put up or shut up at 2012.
Either they'll be right or they'll be wrong and drop the story entirely.

Can you give us a date and state for the record that if the end of times won't happen until that date, you will admit to being wrong?

We are already in the End Times.

In about 30 months there's a change over which should signify the noticable turbulent times.

[GrandMasterFox]

Hah.

From what I've experienced, 2012 believers are nothing more than attention seekers. Rare would be the person who honestly, to themselves, believes it'll be the end of the world come 2012.

Alex.
I think going by history, the most likely occurance is that they will say they were wrong about 2012 but the real date is X.

Most notable example is planet X. But we can still get rid of 2012.

We are already in the End Times.

In about 30 months there's a change over which should signify the noticable turbulent times.
I'm sorry, call me dumb if you will but I have no idea what you just said.

You're willing to say something happens in September 2012 (Am I counting it right?) but I have no idea what you ment will happen.

Can you please explain more or rephrase?

[likelystory]

I think going by history, the most likely occurance is that they will say they were wrong about 2012 but the real date is X.

Most notable example is planet X. But we can still get rid of 2012.


I'm sorry, call me dumb if you will but I have no idea what you just said.

You're willing to say something happens in September 2012 (Am I counting it right?) but I have no idea what you ment will happen.

Can you please explain more or rephrase?

The Turbulent Times begin in about 30 months as there's a ''change''.

[GrandMasterFox]

The Turbulent Times begin in about 30 months as there's a ''change''.

Again, be precise. What does "Trubulent Times" mean?
Perhaps I should be more precise here.

We want to have a simple test of your claim. The prediction itself is the test.
If in 30 months what you say will happen, we must admit you are right.
If in 30 months what you say will not happen, you must admit to being wrong.

Obivously we can only put this to the test if you have a clear description of what will happen.

[Mirrorglass]

Well, duh. There will be unrest in the world, something unexpected will happen, lots of people will die somewhere, and Christians will declare it's the end times. What could be clearer?

[Legend]

Well, duh. There will be unrest in the world, something unexpected will happen, lots of people will die somewhere, and Christians will declare it's the end times. What could be clearer?

:D :D :D

Exactly. There's gonna be murder, and natural disasters, and war, and corruption, and terrorism, and...

Alex.

[dafydd]

We are already in the End Times.

In about 30 months there's a change over which should signify the noticable turbulent times.

Things happen all the time.Who is to say which one is the significant change? We are not in the end times,I'll bet you that nothing out of the ordinary happens in 30 months time.How much?

[likelystory]

Well, duh. There will be unrest in the world, something unexpected will happen, lots of people will die somewhere, and Christians will declare it's the end times. What could be clearer?

The paranormal is revealed in about 30 months with a change of ruler.

The Turbulent Times is all about the paranormal....... Please abstain asking me to elaborate as I may say things that lead to me being banned from this forum.

[kuroyume0161]

The paranormal is revealed in about 30 months with a change of ruler.

The Turbulent Times is all about the paranormal....... Please abstain asking me to elaborate as I may say things that lead to me being banned from this forum.

Please elaborate! :D

[jhunter1163]

Well, the "Mago Yin", a psychic from El Salvador, "predicted" the Chilean earthquake of February 27th, 2010..... or... did he?

He was interviewed on El Salvador TV program on late 2009, and said: "... amongst the most important earthquakes for 2010, there's a big one for Chile"

knk-xVAWuGk

The said program starts at 1:20 on the video and his "prediction" at 1:36.

Can it be considered a hit?

There have been major earthquakes in Chile in the not-too-distant past, so this prediction wasn't TOO far out on a limb. I'd have been more impressed if he'd called the one in Haiti. There hadn't been a major quake there in 200 years.

So, mildly interesting coincidence. Make some predictions for the rest of 2010 and come back and see me in a year.

[Legend]

Elaborate!

Alex.

[rorylee]

Please name a time in history when knowledge and travel have not increased. Please do not focus solely on Western history.
Maybe around NOW for travel, exploring - why we are focused on space now and conquering other planets.

But ever since Lucifer was let out of the bottomless pit(Jesus's stomach ;) ) say a 1000 years after Jesus died we become more efficient :)

[rorylee]

Let me make a prediction without using any abilities.

I predict there will be a huge thunder storm, pretty much world wide on the 21st of Dec 2012 to kick things off, much alike the lighting and earth-shake experienced by many after Jesus was confirmed dead.

You are all wittiness to this if it happens and without using any 'psychic' abilities i have to make this prediction.

[dafydd]

The paranormal is revealed in about 30 months with a change of ruler.

The Turbulent Times is all about the paranormal....... Please abstain asking me to elaborate as I may say things that lead to me being banned from this forum.

Will you take the bet? How much? Will you sign over your possessions and capital to me on 1 Jan 2013?

[Mirrorglass]

The paranormal is revealed in about 30 months with a change of ruler.

The Turbulent Times is all about the paranormal....... Please abstain asking me to elaborate as I may say things that lead to me being banned from this forum.

I assume "the paranormal is revealed" translates to "someone makes a paranormal claim on a forum" and "change of ruler" means some country will have elections/revolution. Seems probable to me.

And are you saying you can't make a prediction about 2012 without swearing?

[Mirrorglass]

Let me make a prediction without using any abilities.

I predict there will be a huge thunder storm, pretty much world wide on the 21st of Dec 2012 to kick things off, much alike the lighting and earth-shake experienced by many after Jesus was confirmed dead.

You are all wittiness to this if it happens and without using any 'psychic' abilities i have to make this prediction.

Okay. If it happens, I'll accept there was something to that maya calendar thingamabob. Would you agree that if it doesn't happen, it means you were wrong?

[Legend]

I put myself in the same boat as Mirrorglass. I will create a thread and a website advertising your prophecy and supremacy over my tiny mind along with handing over every single cent I own to you, if you will admit you're wrong when if it just so happens your "prediction" turns out to be right.

Deal?

Alex.

[likelystory]

I assume "the paranormal is revealed" translates to "someone makes a paranormal claim on a forum" and "change of ruler" means some country will have elections/revolution. Seems probable to me.

And are you saying you can't make a prediction about 2012 without swearing?

I never said or was implying anything about being banned for swearing.

I would be probably banned if I mentioned Polictical Name(s)....... Ok, nuff said. Lips sealed.

[dafydd]

I put myself in the same boat as Mirrorglass. I will create a thread and a website advertising your prophecy and supremacy over my tiny mind along with handing over every single cent I own to you, if you will admit you're wrong when if it just so happens your "prediction" turns out to be right.

Deal?

Alex.

I predict no deal.Over on the HDD thread Dutch has said that there will be a major volcanic eruption in Yellowstone this September,I have offered to bet him 100 euros that this will not occur,but I have had no reaction.The woo fraternity never put their money where their mouths are or admit that they were wrong.

[GrandMasterFox]

I never said or was implying anything about being banned for swearing.

I would be probably banned if I mentioned Polictical Name(s)....... Ok, nuff said. Lips sealed.

Evasive BS... Is there a rule here that says we cannot mention people's name? Heck, check the CT thread for tons of Obaba \ Bush stuff.

Fine, I'll play your game. PM me the name.
I give my word I won't publish it without your consent (and if I do that, that's actually a violation of forum rules so I will be sanctioned).

Also, you still haven't answer the question:
Will you be willing to put this to the test? If the date comes and your prediction failed, will you flat out come and say the words
" I was wrong"?

[Mirrorglass]

I never said or was implying anything about being banned for swearing.

I would be probably banned if I mentioned Polictical Name(s)....... Ok, nuff said. Lips sealed.

I'm pretty sure mentioning political names is allowed. Just don't make any threats in you posts and don't post copyrighted material, and you'll be fine. I don't think there are any Illuminati among the mods, so you won't get banned for exposing the conspiracy.

[dafydd]

Also, you still haven't answer the question:
Will you be willing to put this to the test? If the date comes and your prediction failed, will you flat out come and say the words
" I was wrong"?

Well?

[Mirrorglass]

I think likelystory got suspended, so don't hold your breath waiting for him.

[Legend]

I predict no deal.Over on the HDD thread Dutch has said that there will be a major volcanic eruption in Yellowstone this September,I have offered to bet him 100 euros that this will not occur,but I have had no reaction.The woo fraternity never put their money where their mouths are or admit that they were wrong.

Well it would appear you might be very correct.

**SHOCK** Premonition does exist!

Alex.

[GrandMasterFox]

I think likelystory got suspended, so don't hold your breath waiting for him.

Why do they always get suspended before we get to the good part? :confused:

[dafydd]

Getting yourself suspended just to avoid a bet!

[dafydd]

Well it would appear you might be very correct.

**SHOCK** Premonition does exist!

Alex.

Where is my million dollars?

[Safe-Keeper]

It's here now to see if you open your eyes.I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it. You can't just make a claim and then say that you don't need to back it up. Not that I think it it matters much, given that I've forgotten the question (though I remember that it had to do with the interpretation of a Bible verses and airplanes), but in general, when you make a statement, you should be able to back it up.

[leon_heller]

The Global Consciousness people claim to be able to detect earthquakes before they happen:

http://www.psyleron.com/info/research/other.html

[likelystory]

Why do they always get suspended before we get to the good part? :confused:

If I be wrong then I will let you know.

[Mirrorglass]

I'm glad I was wrong. So? Do you accept that if there is no apocalypse in 2012, then you were wrong?

[likelystory]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it. You can't just make a claim and then say that you don't need to back it up. Not that I think it it matters much, given that I've forgotten the question (though I remember that it had to do with the interpretation of a Bible verses and airplanes), but in general, when you make a statement, you should be able to back it up.

Yes it does cut it because it's a specific ERA and we are living in it. I explained how the Scriptures foretells of a flurry of knowledge and travelling ''to and fro''.

Commerical Air Travel and Fast International Communications via the telephone is the begining of the ERA..... Without the International Telephone then news of Earthquakes would be slow. It's worldwide New Flash every hour or even quicker.

So the Earthquakes in the last few decades and recent Earthquakes are tied into the End Time ERA Prophecies.

Now there's a Big Quake to happen in Jerusalem shortly as foretold in Revelation 11:8-13

[kuroyume0161]

Commerical Air Travel and Fast International Communications via the telephone is the begining of the ERA..... Without the International Telephone then news of Earthquakes would be slow. It's worldwide New Flash every hour or even quicker.

You do realize that 'International Telephone' was established (at least partially) as early as the late 1920s, don't you? By 1930, there were cables across the Atlantic and Pacific connecting the USA, Britain, Egypt, Canada, Australia, South Africa, and Kenya.

Nonetheless, progress on telephony has been long and continuous since the early 1800s. How many hundreds of years do we have left, again? Panic, panic - not.

[likelystory]

You do realize that 'International Telephone' was established (at least partially) as early as the late 1920s, don't you? By 1930, there were cables across the Atlantic and Pacific connecting the USA, Britain, Egypt, Canada, Australia, South Africa, and Kenya.

Nonetheless, progress on telephony has been long and continuous since the early 1800s. How many hundreds of years do we have left, again? Panic, panic - not.

I thought it was from about the 30's onwards.

Probably within a decade the End Time will be done and dusted...

[Legend]

BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Oh God, we need to keep in touch, likelystory.

Alex.

[GrandMasterFox]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it. You can't just make a claim and then say that you don't need to back it up.
No, you're wrong. It is perfectly fine.
In fact I don't really care for any explanation on how he got where he got.

The prediction itself is the actual test in question here.
That is the demonstration in question. If you want to do, for example, an astrology test, then you simply see if the guy is correct or not in his reading.
His explanation of the stars mean nothing.

If the prediction comes true, that would be backing it up.
And since he gave a rather reasonable deadline, I have no problem to wait and see.

So long of course as likelystory realizes that until the day in question, we're still not buying it. But we will if he succeeds.


Now there's a Big Quake to happen in Jerusalem shortly as foretold in Revelation 11:8-13
Can you be a bit more specifc? I can't ask you to give an exact scale, but at the very least is there something visible to be noted? Will buildings collapse? Also, how far that would be?

If I be wrong then I will let you know.
Actually, I[B] will let [B]YOU know :D
If you're still around at the time, I will hold it to you and say:
"NA NA NA NA NA NA"
And you of course will have every right to do it to me if you're right.

Now what about those names you mentioned?

[likelystory]

A tenth of Jerusalem will collapse and 7000 men will die according to Prophecy. Revelation 11:8-13

Now I'm seeing this Earthquake will be key for the Jews to build their Temple upon the site were the Dome of the Rock currently stands.

In an 18th centuary Jewish prophecy,the Vilna Gaon, a rabbinical authority,prophesied that the Hurva Synagoge in Jerusalem, which was built during his day,would be destroyed and rebuilt twice,and when the Hurva was completed the third time,construction on the Temple would begin.

The Hurva which means ''ruin'' was completed and dedicated 0n March 15th 2010. GET READY FOR IT.


So I think the Earthquake will make way for the Temple to be built.

[dafydd]

Yes it does cut it because it's a specific ERA and we are living in it. I explained how the Scriptures foretells of a flurry of knowledge and travelling ''to and fro''.

Commerical Air Travel and Fast International Communications via the telephone is the begining of the ERA..... Without the International Telephone then news of Earthquakes would be slow. It's worldwide New Flash every hour or even quicker.

So the Earthquakes in the last few decades and recent Earthquakes are tied into the End Time ERA Prophecies.

Now there's a Big Quake to happen in Jerusalem shortly as foretold in Revelation 11:8-13

How shortly is shortly? Name a date and I will bet you that it does not happen.

[dafydd]

Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

Here God tells Isaac that his descendents (Hebrews) will be as numerous as the stars. Considering the number of stars there are in the universe, that would have to be on the order of 1020 Jewish people.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Christians say that this verse is a prophecy of Jesus' birth to a virgin. There are a couple problems with this prophecy...First, virgin in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which actually means "young woman". A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Second, nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Damascus is still inhabited today with over a million people, and hardly a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

The river mentioned here is the Nile. The Nile is still one of Egypt's greatest natural resource.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

There are uncircumcised people living in Jerusalem even today.

Ezekiel 29:10-11 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.

Never in its long history has Egypt ever been uninhabited for forty years.

Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Many times, Jews have been pulled up out of their land. The ownership of their land is still being fought for.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because God changed his mind in verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14 says about God never changing his mind.

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Christians say that this prophecy is was fulfilled when Judas received 30 pieces of silver for betraying Jesus. Matthew 27:9 recites this verse, but incorrectly credits Jeremiah with the prophecy.

Matthew 1:22-23 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Again, Jesus is never referred to as Emmanuel (Immanuel).

Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

Nowhere in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled?

Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

There is no passage in the Old Testament that can be attributed to what Jesus is saying here.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus states that all the signs marking the end of the world in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled before his generation ended. That generation ended 2000 years ago, and the world has not come to an end, neither has all those signs been fulfilled.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value.

This prophecy was never spoken by Jeremiah.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Jesus tells the high priest that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Throughout the New Testament, the end of the world is prophesied as being very near, at hand, to be witnessed by those living at the time. Paul often told the people he preached to that they would be witnesses to Jesus' second coming. They are all long gone.

[dafydd]

Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

Here God tells Isaac that his descendents (Hebrews) will be as numerous as the stars. Considering the number of stars there are in the universe, that would have to be on the order of 1020 Jewish people.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Christians say that this verse is a prophecy of Jesus' birth to a virgin. There are a couple problems with this prophecy...First, virgin in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which actually means "young woman". A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Second, nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Damascus is still inhabited today with over a million people, and hardly a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

The river mentioned here is the Nile. The Nile is still one of Egypt's greatest natural resource.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

There are uncircumcised people living in Jerusalem even today.

Ezekiel 29:10-11 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.

Never in its long history has Egypt ever been uninhabited for forty years.

Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Many times, Jews have been pulled up out of their land. The ownership of their land is still being fought for.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because God changed his mind in verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14 says about God never changing his mind.

Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Christians say that this prophecy is was fulfilled when Judas received 30 pieces of silver for betraying Jesus. Matthew 27:9 recites this verse, but incorrectly credits Jeremiah with the prophecy.

Matthew 1:22-23 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Again, Jesus is never referred to as Emmanuel (Immanuel).

Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

Nowhere in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled?

Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

There is no passage in the Old Testament that can be attributed to what Jesus is saying here.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus states that all the signs marking the end of the world in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled before his generation ended. That generation ended 2000 years ago, and the world has not come to an end, neither has all those signs been fulfilled.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value.

This prophecy was never spoken by Jeremiah.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Jesus tells the high priest that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Throughout the New Testament, the end of the world is prophesied as being very near, at hand, to be witnessed by those living at the time. Paul often told the people he preached to that they would be witnesses to Jesus' second coming. They are all long gone.

Take a look here for a longer list of failed bible prophecies.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

[dafydd]

Lol,I quoted myself instead of editing.I just got up,bear with me.

[GrandMasterFox]

A tenth of Jerusalem will collapse and 7000 men will die according to Prophecy. Revelation 11:8-13

Okay, that sounds fairly an accurate number.
But to be on the fair side, let's say between 6900 and 7100 men.
That is acceptable by you of course, I assume?
It's just that if 6999 people die, there's always a possibility that there's an extra missing person that wasn't found that we can't confirm. It's also possible people die out of context in that area and will be falsibly counted.

So I actually think a range would be better.

Is there anyone who thinks that is something likely to occur and thus should be disqualified? I doubt likelystory will manually fake an earthquake...

Now I'm seeing this Earthquake will be key for the Jews to build their Temple upon the site were the Dome of the Rock currently stands.

What part of this will be in the 30 months span?
Will the ground stone be set? Will the construction be complete?


In an 18th centuary Jewish prophecy <snipped>
Sorry to be rude, but I don't care about past events. Only future predictions.
I'm sure you can understand why.

Also, for a third time you dodge the question - Who are these politicians?


How shortly is shortly? Name a date and I will bet you that it does not happen.
Please stop that. It's a test of likelystory's prediction.
He is the claiment so he sets the protocol, not you.

So far, his prediction doesn't same to be insanely vague and pointless like Connie's so he can continue further.

[dafydd]

Okay, that sounds fairly an accurate number.
But to be on the fair side, let's say between 6900 and 7100 men.
That is acceptable by you of course, I assume?
It's just that if 6999 people die, there's always a possibility that there's an extra missing person that wasn't found that we can't confirm. It's also possible people die out of context in that area and will be falsibly counted.

So I actually think a range would be better.

Is there anyone who thinks that is something likely to occur and thus should be disqualified? I doubt likelystory will manually fake an earthquake...


What part of this will be in the 30 months span?
Will the ground stone be set? Will the construction be complete?


Sorry to be rude, but I don't care about past events. Only future predictions.
I'm sure you can understand why.

Also, for a third time you dodge the question - Who are these politicians?



Please stop that. It's a test of likelystory's prediction.
He is the claiment so he sets the protocol, not you.

So far, his prediction doesn't same to be insanely vague and pointless like Connie's so he can continue further.

It's just a bet,I wouldn't dignify it by calling it a protocol.

[GrandMasterFox]

It's just a bet,I wouldn't dignify it by calling it a protocol.

Well I won't play semantics here and obivously I'm not following the stricts terms (as there is $1,000,000 at stake).

But nevertheless, he seems to be coperative and frankly I'd be more than happy to actually have one person that would carry this through from start to finish than another one who will run away when facing facts like our "beloved" Dani-El.

So I'll meet him at his field of choice.

[stormin]

I agree with the go figure comment!

[TjW]

Pff. Your scriptures also featured a talking donkey.

God totally copied Shrek.

[quarky]

You know what would totally suck?

If someone predicted the exact time of the end of the world, and it actually ended at that time, but everyone was dead, so no one would even be in awe of the psychic's prediction.
It would be a career ender.





(That's pretty much why I don't bother predicting stuff.)

[Wolrab]

If I be wrong then I will let you know.Yarrr!
Fixed that for you.