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Ed
18th January 2004, 06:38 AM
From the times, today:http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/18/arts/design/18BERN.html

Seems the Greeks are still laboring under an Uzo induced delusion that the Elgin Marbles are coming back. To gain the sympathy vote they constructed the architectural strawman depicted below.

Evidentially the culture that created the marbles could not conjure up a Greek architect (telling point, no?) so they used:
"Bernard Tschumi, the celebrated New York architect".

This "celebrated NY Architect" came up with something that looks like a damn Charthouse Resturant:

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/01/18/arts/bern.articlespan.jpg

Fitting, no?

But the Greeks, who are acting as though they are potentially responsible custodians find themselves in this pickle:

"But the structure intended to settle a controversy has become an object of controversy itself. The design clashes with the setting, some critics say. It jeopardizes an archaeological site, others claim. And perhaps most dispiritingly, the Olympic deadline is hopelessly out of reach. Like an athlete who trains for a lifetime and then sprains her ankle the week before the games, the New Acropolis Museum may have missed its best chance to make an impression. When the Olympic torch is lighted on Aug. 13, the museum will look like something that Athens already has plenty of: a giant excavation."

Bwahahahahahaha.

"The museum will have room for hundreds of antiquities, but its true reason for being is the glass-walled gallery on the upper floor, where the marbles would reside"

Hahahaaaaaaa. Ain't gonna happen. Pathetic, actually.

Oh, listen to this drivel from the "Noted NY Architect":

"To some Athenians, the site deserved a truly classical building. Mr. Tschumi says an engineer working on the building's seismic protections wanted the museum to be symmetrical, like the Parthenon itself. "But how can you compete with a building that has reached a state of perfection?" Mr. Tschumi asked."

How indeed, Mr. Sushi Architect, how indeed. Answer: Don't ***** try, make a resturant instead. Ha! And catch that reference to something seismically stable. Why be "seismically stable" when you can have a Restaurant? Responsible custodians indeed! Maybe that is a giveaway: Knowing that they are never going to get the Marbles, they design a Resturant from the gitgo. That would be smart planning.

So, we have a responsible engineer and a Sushi Architect hell bent on imposing California Modern on the Greeks (who are too alchohol addeled to be following anyway). What happens?

" "We had a fight," the soft-spoken architect recalled, and eventually he had the engineer fired. "It became too unpleasant." "

THEY ***** FIRED THE ENGINEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good move Stravos!!! Ain't a problem if nobody brings it up.

Of course the Greeks are in love with their past, right? Wrong, not when it comes to a new Gyro joint:

"A more significant challenge came from a faction of Greek archaeologists, who viewed the building not as cementing Greece's heritage — but as cementing over it. The museum's site contains ruins of a seventh-century A.D. village that, according to Ismini Trianti, the Acropolis's chief archaeologist, "could shed light on the dark ages of Athens's late antiquity."

But the Greeks do not live in the past, do they? I mean, the welfare of today's Greeks must be recognized. Right?

"The building's prospective neighbors had their own concerns. The site is in the Makryianni district, full of drab 70's apartment buildings whose inhabitants didn't like the idea of a 200,000-square-foot building going up in their midst. They complained on the conservation and restoration council's Web site that "for the price of a ticket visitors will be able to peer into" their homes. "

Right.

Big project needs a lot of management, right? The "Noted NY Architect agrees:

"He vows to fly to Athens every six weeks for as many years as it takes to get the museum built."

He "VOWS". Like he went to a Cathedral in front of a bunch of Cardinals and "VOWED". Pardon me if I take this"Vow" with a grain of salt. Take a gander at the projects that this guy has going on:

http://www.tschumi.com/tsch_hold.asp

Every six weeks? My ass. He is cut into more pieces than a Sashimi Codfish. My guess is that he just want a little R 'n R on Mikinos every now and then.

Note also that EVERY DESIGN IS THE SAME! Guess he picked it up when he was waiting tables at a Charthouse Resturant when he was in Grad School.

But the overarching rationale for this whole mess?

"And diplomats have argued that the statues are so important to the culture that created them — "the essence of Greece," in the words of Melina Mercouri, that nation's former minister of culture — that they constitute a special case, distinct from any other debates about art and ownership."

The essence of Greece is alcohol and buggery. And grape leaves stuffed with stuff. The culture that created them has been gone since antiquity.

What a disaster. Stay tuned.

subgenius
18th January 2004, 07:24 AM
Don't beat around the bush, tell us how you really feel.

Jon_in_london
18th January 2004, 07:27 AM
Having seen them, I really cant understand why the Greeks want them in any case or even why the British Museum wastes two huge galleries to display them.

Like I said before- chuck the whole lot out, put something worthwhile in their place and let the greeks pick the pieces out of the garbage skip if they want!

Ed
18th January 2004, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Having seen them, I really cant understand why the Greeks want them in any case or even why the British Museum wastes two huge galleries to display them.

Like I said before- chuck the whole lot out, put something worthwhile in their place and let the greeks pick the pieces out of the garbage skip if they want!

You may recall that I volanteered, at great personal expense, to take care of them here in CT, USA. I check the mail daily. Nothing. No, they hire Bernie Sashimi to make a resturant.

Fah.

El Greco
18th January 2004, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Ed
The essence of Greece is alcohol and buggery.

That explains everything... You must be in great pain... Poor Ed...

Ed
18th January 2004, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by El Greco


That explains everything... You must be in great pain... Poor Ed...

Not that there is anything wrong with that....:D

subgenius
18th January 2004, 09:15 AM
"The essence of Greece is alcohol and buggery."

Reminds me of this Pogues album:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000005S6C/102-9605147-8472120?v=glance

Ed
18th January 2004, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by subgenius
"The essence of Greece is alcohol and buggery."

Reminds me of this Pogues album:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000005S6C/102-9605147-8472120?v=glance


Brings back fond memories of my days in the Royal Navy .... sigh

Cleopatra
18th January 2004, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by Ed
The culture that created them has been gone since antiquity.

What a disaster. Stay tuned.


LOL. Quelle banalite cheri!

We have been hearing to this accusation since the 3th ce BC and yet we are the only nation on this planet that talks the same language for 4000 years and we continue to produce the most interesting and unique civilization.Get over it.:)

Nikk
18th January 2004, 09:34 AM
I like the fish tank effect. In a cold, grey, sunless country like Greece you need to bring every possible ray of sunlight into a building so as to keep it nice and warm.

El Greco
18th January 2004, 09:41 AM
The way the marbles are currently exhibited is in direct violation of the Feng-Shui rules

hammegk
18th January 2004, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by El Greco
The way the marbles are currently exhibited is in direct violation of the Feng-Shui rules

Are you claiming Feng-Shui is the third lasting Greek invention (1. alcohol 2. buggery)?

Ed
18th January 2004, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Cleopatra



LOL. Quelle banalite cheri!

We have been hearing to this accusation since the 3th ce BC and yet we are the only nation on this planet that talks the same language for 4000 years and we continue to produce the most interesting and unique civilization.Get over it.:)

Alcohol, buggery, and being stuck in a linguistic rut:D

subgenius
18th January 2004, 11:51 AM
Greece is so nice very few ever leave.
They don't want to leave their brother's behind.