God is Real but Organized Religion is a Scam

[bwinwright]

Source: Originally posted at http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/118818-god-real-but-most-orgnized-religion-scam.html by bwinwright

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.

Prior to the arrival of modern science to undeniably establish the fact that an extremely sophisticated form of intelligence is responsible for establishing and maintaining the universe and all of the life within it, reason and facts, alone, were always enough for any rational person to accept the existence of this creative intelligence or God.

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God is Real but most organized religion is a scam. The Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches are led by scam artists. However, since these criminals also totally own and control the mainstream media, most people never learn the truth about any of this.

Unfortunately, most Americans neither know nor care about all this.Edited in accordance with Rule 4

[madurobob]

Thanks, I needed a laugh today.

[Hokulele]

Virtually any example of life you can choose to examine represents engineering technology and complexity of design and operation which simply could not exist without an intelligent producer.


Then why are testicles on the outside?

[Marquis de Carabas]

I like how you pack enough fail into the first sentence to save me reading the rest.

[Schrodinger's Cat]

"With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false."

Debunked by who? Kirk Cameron? I must have missed the meeting when the world's scientists got together and made this decision. You know, the meeting where they said, "Hey, all that vaccine technology based on evolutionary science was totally wrong. We're going to stop administering vaccines and stop all current research related bacteria and viruses, as it is based on evolutionary biology."

You do realize that you just saying something doesn't make it true, right?

[slingblade]

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam.

Yes, you're entitled to an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

[GeeMack]

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.


Evidence?

Thanks, I needed a laugh today.


Oh, I see. It's comedy. Had me going for a second there. :D

[Trent Wray]

Is this thread serious?

I'm new here and not sure if bwinwright is making a joke or not, BUT ... just in case he/she isn't ...

The Atheist and/or Darwinian Evolutionist believe that intelligence was not a necessary component in the establishment and maintenance of the universe or any of the life forms within it. The Atheist/Darwinian Evolutionist has now been proven to be in error, scientifically. How so?

[Trent Wray]

"With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false."

Debunked by who? Kirk Cameron? I must have missed the meeting when the world's scientists got together and made this decision. You know, the meeting where they said, "Hey, all that vaccine technology based on evolutionary science was totally wrong. We're going to stop administering vaccines and stop all current research related bacteria and viruses, as it is based on evolutionary biology."

You do realize that you just saying something doesn't make it true, right?
Not Kirk Cameron silly. He was more like the John the Baptist to all this truth. He was just paving the way for Tom Cruise who was to come ...

[Hokulele]

Is this thread serious?


Serious, but pointless. Bwinwright drops these turds in the forum on a regular basis, but rarely sticks around to defend his/her points. "Seagull" posting at its finest.

It is still somewhat amusing to treat the posts as if there might be something serious behind them, but don't feel bad if nothing comes of the discussion and the same nonsense is posted a few weeks later.

[Schrodinger's Cat]

"Virtually any example of life you can choose to examine represents engineering technology and complexity of design and operation which simply could not exist without an intelligent producer."

I can remember when I was in college in my anatomy and physiology class we were studying rare diseases. And we found this one disease, I believe it was a bacteria but it may have been viral, that ONLY affects babies. In adults it is a very mild infection. It basically covers them in these horrible painful sores that leave them permanently maimed and disfigured.

I don't understand how anyone can look at that and say, "you know, some intelligent force must have conciously sat down and intentionally created a living creature whose sole purpose is to make babies suffer." That's like something out of a nightmare. I just don't understand how this belief system actually COMFORTS people.

**Trent...LOL

[joobz]

Then why are testicles on the outside?

For more interesting S&M sessions?

[Hokulele]

For more interesting S&M sessions?


Those would be even more interesting if they were on the inside, no?

[joobz]

Those would be even more interesting if they were on the inside, no?

Yes, but also more dangerous. Hence the genius of the design. Why else make pleasure and pain dangle so close in proximity?



Really, the only question now is: Is god a top or bottom?

[Hokulele]

Good point.

[madurobob]

Really, the only question now is: Is god a top or bottom?

Clearly both, simultaneously.

[joobz]

Clearly both, simultaneously.
If you believe in the trinity, one must also accept the possibility of a 3rd role, top, bottom and.... Side?

[Lothian]

Blah blah blah .........................

Unfortunately, most Americans neither know nor care about all this.I can assure you that it is not just Americans.

[Sledge]

God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a ScamReplace the word "most" with "all" and I could get behind 50% of this.
If you believe in the trinity, one must also accept the possibility of a 3rd role, top, bottom and.... Side?
The Holy Ghost likes to watch.

[madurobob]

If you believe in the trinity, one must also accept the possibility of a 3rd role, top, bottom and.... Side?

Middle!

[Hokulele]

If you believe in the trinity, one must also accept the possibility of a 3rd role, top, bottom and.... Side?


I would have said strange myself.

[Stout]

Serious, but pointless. Bwinwright drops these turds in the forum on a regular basis, but rarely sticks around to defend his/her points. "Seagull" posting at its finest.

It is still somewhat amusing to treat the posts as if there might be something serious behind them, but don't feel bad if nothing comes of the discussion and the same nonsense is posted a few weeks later.

Damn..and I was hoping to read some serious debunking..

I know that typically ID proponents use the bacterial flagellum as the hallmark of a complex system that shouldn't/couldn't have evolved without outside "help". I've seen this refuted however I can't remember how it was done. Not an issue really as i can go look it up.

One ID vs evolution thread I read on another forum had the ID guy using the evolution of the bat's wing as an example. IIRC his whole argument revolved around the AIG site and since i was a little late in the game for that particular thread I never ran that one down. Is the bat wing still used, or was that more of a one off kind on example ?

[The Drain]

Serious, but pointless. Bwinwright drops these turds in the forum on a regular basis, but rarely sticks around to defend his/her points. "Seagull" posting at its finest.




There's something about the OP that intrigues me. At first it looks like an attempt to demonstrate to godless heathens the error of their ways - and that's fair enough, if that's your gig this is the place to have a go.

But it then veers into organised religions and mainly the Catholic Church secretly controlling the world. It looks like a call to arms for ordinary christians, etc., to rise up against their church authorities. Surely if that's what you want to achieve, then it should be posted on more religious forums?

And that's why your 'seagull' comment, Hokulele, makes sense. I wonder if this particular OP has been 'dropped' on a number of forums besides this one?

[joobz]

I would have said strange myself.

*facepalm*
It was so obvious... grrrrr.

[Trent Wray]

The only testes that God is interested in are his own: the bibles' new and old testes.

[Twiler]

Also posted here: http://forum.thedailyshow.com/tds/board/message?board.id=faith&thread.id=12738

[I Ratant]

Then why are testicles on the outside?
.
The TeaBaggers have to have -something- real to suck on.

[skip]

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.

Wow!


:Therefore, one can be absolutely sure that an incredibly sophisticated and super complex form of intelligence established and maintains the universe and all the life within it. I call this Super Intelligence God. You may call it whatever you prefer, but be certain of one thing, IT IS REAL.

Really?

:However, while God is Real, organized religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all a scam. Yes, I realize this seems to be an outrageous claim, but it is true whether you like it or not. While the vast majority of people earnestly practicing these religions are good and decent people trying to do the right thing, the leadership now as well as those who started these religions are less than honorable.

And you think this is the outrageous claim?

Wow!

[The Drain]

Also posted here: http://forum.thedailyshow.com/tds/board/message?board.id=faith&thread.id=12738

And posted here http://www.obamaers.com/god-is-real-but-most-orgnized-religion-is-a-scam/

and here http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5376943-god-is-real-but-organized-religion-is-a-scam

Yep, seagull turds!

Even more interesting; from what I can see, this is the only forum so far in which bwinwright is getting any responses.

ETA: It's also been posted here, where it has had a few responses: http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/118818-god-real-but-most-orgnized-religion-scam.html

[Michael Redman]

Funny, I believe honest, rational analysis leads to exactly the opposite conclusion: There is no god, but religions are generally an honest attempt by people to sort out the questions they have about the universe.

The idea that the leadership positions of all major religions are filled by people who are not believers, but simply exploiting followers, is, in my opinion, the most outrageously unlikely conspiracy theory of them all.

[Foster Zygote]

I would have said strange myself.
It certainly sounds dirtier than charm.

[uruk]

In regards to bwinwright's post:




Long on yak; short on fact.

[dafydd]

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.

Prior to the arrival of modern science to undeniably establish the fact that an extremely sophisticated form of intelligence is responsible for establishing and maintaining the universe and all of the life within it, reason and facts, alone, were always enough for any rational person to accept the existence of this creative intelligence or God.

Edited, in accordance with Rule 4

God is Real but most organized religion is a scam. The Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches are led by scam artists. However, since these criminals also totally own and control the mainstream media, most people never learn the truth about any of this.

Unfortunately, most Americans neither know nor care about all this.

Which god is real,Jehova,Zeus,Odin,Allah,Krishna,Minerva,Mithra s.............?

[joobz]

It certainly sounds dirtier than charm.
Only due to your quarky behavior.

[Madalch]

God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

You're half-right.

That's surprisingly accurate.

[Cainkane1]

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.

Prior to the arrival of modern science to undeniably establish the fact that an extremely sophisticated form of intelligence is responsible for establishing and maintaining the universe and all of the life within it, reason and facts, alone, were always enough for any rational person to accept the existence of this creative intelligence or God.

Edited in accordance with Rule 4

God is Real but most organized religion is a scam. The Catholic Church and most Protestant Churches are led by scam artists. However, since these criminals also totally own and control the mainstream media, most people never learn the truth about any of this.

Unfortunately, most Americans neither know nor care about all this.
No to all of this. The more scientific discoveries are made the less credibility "intelligent" design seems. Evolution has been proven by the fossil record and the discovery of DNA nad comparing DNA shows that all of earths creatures are related. I personally find creationism laughable because of such things as the talking snake and the absurd idea that all animals were created a the same time. Lions and Raptures together might be interesting but it didn't happen. Believing that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time once in history is laughable or it would be if it wasn't so pathetic.
You say Darwinian evolution is laughable but I feel that the talking snake is laughable. A God who would plant a fruit tree in a garden and then forbid two humans from eating said fruit that didn't know right from wrong and at the same time allowing the walking, talking snake who is Gods enemy live there too is absurdity at its worst. Striding or flying and glib talking to an innocent woman who then cons the man into eating this fruit and then having this god of yours get all bent out of shape about it is odious. God just isn't nice at all. I feel wonderful just knowing I don't have to deal with a diety this idiotic.

Charles darwin was right. His scientific observations tell a great deal about what really happened during the developement of life on earth. Genesis by comparison is a childrens fairy tale. Nope Darwinism wins because thats what happened. get over it.

[Cainkane1]

There's something about the OP that intrigues me. At first it looks like an attempt to demonstrate to godless heathens the error of their ways - and that's fair enough, if that's your gig this is the place to have a go.

But it then veers into organised religions and mainly the Catholic Church secretly controlling the world. It looks like a call to arms for ordinary christians, etc., to rise up against their church authorities. Surely if that's what you want to achieve, then it should be posted on more religious forums?

And that's why your 'seagull' comment, Hokulele, makes sense. I wonder if this particular OP has been 'dropped' on a number of forums besides this one?
maybe the OP is Jack Chick??

[paiute]

:o God is Real

I can ignore this post in....three words!

[kerikiwi]

... but be certain of one thing, IT IS REAL. ...

... but it is true whether you like it or not.




Well, that clinches it!

[Fnord]

God is Real ...

Evidence, Please?

... but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

Evidence, Please?

[Elizabeth I]

Virtually any example of life you can choose to examine represents engineering technology and complexity of design and operation which simply could not exist without an intelligent producer.

Then why are testicles on the outside?

AND if life is so carefully engineered, would the OP care to explain the following?

hemorrhoids
nearsightedness
farsightedness
ectopic pregnancy
slipped discs
flat feet
plantar fasciitis
pilonidal cysts
endometriosis
hiatal hernia
Crohn's disease
lupus
psoriasis
muscular sclerosis
diabetes

etc.

[uruk]

Punishment for eating the forbidden fruit?
Satan?
God read the instructions wrong for his Lil' Deity brand Universe Creation set?
The consequences of a biological system derived from carbon based organic chemistry?

[Skeptic Ginger]

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam.

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.It's unfortunate you are convinced of these proclamations because they are not supportable by evidence. Genetic science confirmed evolution theory beyond what was already confirmed by overwhelming evidence. As for nanotechnology, I fail to see anything there to do with evolution theory.

And god beliefs are irrational in that they rely on no evidence.



Prior to the arrival of modern science to undeniably establish the fact that an extremely sophisticated form of intelligence is responsible for establishing and maintaining the universe and all of the life within it, reason and facts, alone, were always enough for any rational person to accept the existence of this creative intelligence or God.

Virtually any example of life you can choose to examine represents engineering technology and complexity of design and operation which simply could not exist without an intelligent producer. The most basic flaw of Atheism, the denial of a creative intelligence, is the idea that sophisticated and complex forms of order, any form of life you can name, can be produced without an intelligent producer.Not that you might be interested but this hour long scientific research lecture supports the opposite conclusion, life could only have evolved because it is nothing like what an intelligent designer would come have come up with.

Making Genetic Networks Operate Robustly: Unintelligent Non-design Suffices (http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=2513&fID=497)

The Atheist and/or Darwinian Evolutionist believe that intelligence was not a necessary component in the establishment and maintenance of the universe or any of the life forms within it. The Atheist/Darwinian Evolutionist has now been proven to be in error, scientifically.

Therefore, one can be absolutely sure that an incredibly sophisticated and super complex form of intelligence established and maintains the universe and all the life within it. I call this Super Intelligence God. You may call it whatever you prefer, but be certain of one thing, IT IS REAL.

??????????? You haven't presented on iota of reasoning behind these declarations.

[gambling_cruiser]

Now as bwinwright has exposed the conspiracy of the Jesuit World Domination Agency the black helicopters are on their way to get him.
If his CT is true he will never post anything again.
Las Vegas bookies are currently calculating the odds for the bets.

[sadhatter]

I hate when people say " god is real but organized religion isn't", it is basically them saying " i know the secrets of the universe, not these guys." and that would be okay on some level, if not for the fact that every time the person is taking their ques from already established religions.

Yes you can believe in any random god you want, and yes because one person can't effect society on as large of a level as a religion, you probably wont do anything evil. Doesn't make you more or less right.

[dio]

...Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false...The Atheist/Darwinian Evolutionist has now been proven to be in error, scientifically.


Debunked? Proven to be in error?

Where? When? By Who? Sources?



And here's your intelligent designer/kreator at work (maybe he just had a bad day...oh no, wait, he can't screw up, so...) :

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[Lukraak_Sisser]

Wow... Have you ever READ a science article in genetics?
Or just the one or two creationist fantasy ones? Because as has been pointed out repeatedly, modern day genetics not only confirms evolution, it also is a good argument AGAINST any intelligent design, as organisms tend not to be designed too well at a molecular level, especially the more complex multicellular ones like us.
AS many others, I have no clue how nanotechnology plays into this.

And the rant against the catholic church does seem sorta Chick inspired. I find it especially ironic that you claim that both Judaism and the ancestral christianity from which all current branches have risen are false religions, but somehow Jesus was a real divinity. You do know that christianity claims that jesus is linked to the jewish faith right? I'm pretty sure that's a part of the whole gig that's constant troughout the whole of history.

[godless dave]

With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.


Oh really?

How exactly do nanotechnology and micriobiology debunk the theory of evolution?

[Hokulele]

Oh really?

How exactly do nanotechnology and micriobiology debunk the theory of evolution?


Well, if you look up some of the sources he references, they apparently do so in side-splittingly, nonsensical ways.

People like Zachariah Sitchin, Laurence Gardner, and Jim Marrs have written books about this.

[Trent Wray]

God read the instructions wrong for his Lil' Deity brand Universe Creation set? Well it was made in China ..

I hate when people say " god is real but organized religion isn't", it is basically them saying " i know the secrets of the universe, not these guys." and that would be okay on some level, if not for the fact that every time the person is taking their ques from already established religions And it's another version of the True Scotsman anyway.

ETA: Has anyone, I wonder, ever responded to posts like the OP and been like, "Okay, I believe wholeheartedly. Take me under your wing, side by side for as long as it takes, and teach me the ways .. at all costs please save my soul and those of all I know ..." etc and so forth? I'd be interested in seeing their reaction. But then again .... maybe not :)

[Slimething]

Yes, but also more dangerous. Hence the genius of the design. Why else make pleasure and pain dangle so close in proximity?

Reminds me of an old joke that argues that god must have been a civil engineer because no one else would put a recreational area so close to a waste site. :D

[The Kilted Yaksman]

ETA: Has anyone, I wonder, ever responded to posts like the OP and been like, "Okay, I believe wholeheartedly. Take me under your wing, side by side for as long as it takes, and teach me the ways .. at all costs please save my soul and those of all I know ..." etc and so forth? I'd be interested in seeing their reaction. But then again .... maybe not :)
Wouldn't matter if they did. The guy is spamming forums across the internet, and more than likely reads none of the responses.

[Hokulele]

ETA: Has anyone, I wonder, ever responded to posts like the OP and been like, "Okay, I believe wholeheartedly. Take me under your wing, side by side for as long as it takes, and teach me the ways .. at all costs please save my soul and those of all I know ..." etc and so forth? I'd be interested in seeing their reaction. But then again .... maybe not :)


Try it and see what happens. :D

[Monster Machine]

Reminds me of an old joke that argues that god must have been a civil engineer because no one else would put a recreational area so close to a waste site. :D

:)

Monster

[Chef Fincher]

laughably false

really? Darwinism is laughably false? hmm I guess I didn't get the joke

[Ausmerican]

So god is real but organized religion is a scam.
But which god then is apparently real?
Why, the god of the bible of course. A book that had it's contents basically decided on by commitee.
Nothing 'organized' about that.
As someone that was raised without religion I have never quite gotten the hatred that other sects of christianity often seem to have towards the Catholic church. Especially since they are all basically its bastard children.

[tourmaline]

Amusing thread

what no one to take the ID side here?

[gambling_cruiser]

So god is real but organized religion is a scam.
But which god then is apparently real?
Why, the god of the bible of course. A book that had it's contents basically decided on by commitee.
Nothing 'organized' about that.
As someone that was raised without religion I have never quite gotten the hatred that other sects of christianity often seem to have towards the Catholic church. Especially since they are all basically its bastard children.
I have watched discussions between marxist-leninists against revolutionary marxists. The closer the ideology in the eyes of an outsider the stronger the hatred of the disciples at each other.:D

[sPyan-ras-gzigs dban]

:o God is Real but Most Organized Religion is a Scam

Religions have always been this! Very true ... :)

[tourmaline]

bs bs bs bs

[Smiledriver]

This is some lame troll-fu

[Bill Thompson]

Based on reason and facts alone, rational people accept the reality that some form of creative intelligence is responsible for producing the universe and the life within it. With the arrival of nanotechnology and microbiology Darwin’s Theory of Evolution has been thoroughly debunked and found to be laughably false.

Beam me up, Scotty. No intelligent life on this planet either.

[Bill Thompson]

Oh really?

How exactly do nanotechnology and micriobiology debunk the theory of evolution?

Magic. Same way Joesph Smith could translate Egyptian (even though it is proven he could not). Magic. When one side of the debate hall has magic on their side, they always win.

Seriously, my theory is that the author only managed to spell "nanotechnology and micriobiology" and his magic potion needed these two words, like a witches brew.

[The Drain]

Seriously, my theory is that the author only managed to spell "nanotechnology and micriobiology" and his magic potion needed these two words, like a witches brew.

The spell isn't going to work. He missed out 'quantum'.