Why does R&P attract all the lunatics?

[c4ts]

I've been thinking a lot about the kind of people who get attracted to this forum in particular. It's like no other on the web that I can think of, not even RR. What we have is a history of madmen, people who aren't just irrational but their brains just don't seem to work right. (Perhaps they are geniuses, or simply pretending to be crazy, but what do I know? Maybe I'm crazy and they're the only ones who are sane, but that's irrelevant right now.) Certainly this forum has attracted its fair share of stable mentally healthy folks, but just look at all the weirdos who have posted here. People like Agur, Franko, Jedi Knight, and lifegazer. Anyway, the point is WHY DO THEY ALL POST HERE?? WHY DO RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY ATTRACT ALL THE CRAZY PEOPLE??

[geni]

Have you been to the million dollar challange forum lately?

[c4ts]

The Million Dollar forum attracts lunatics on a daily basis but we know why. It asks them to do what they think they can do.

[The idea]

Originally posted by c4ts
[...] just look at all the weirdos who have posted here. [...] WHY DO RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY ATTRACT ALL THE CRAZY PEOPLE??
Lunatics rush in where angels fear to tread?

[Janus]

The R&P forum was in fact created to draw religious lunatics away from the rest of the forum. The question that needs to be asked why are they attracted to the JREF forums.

I believe that they are attracted here because they are offended by the idea that a large number of people get along quite happily with out them. As a result the loonies come and flail away at us, much like a small child with attention deficit disorder that has consumed far too much red cordial.

[Tricky]

I'd have to say the Paranormal thread has a fair number of them too. Of course, some are shared loonies.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by The idea

Lunatics rush in where angels fear to tread?

What's the difference between a fool and a lunatic, if any?

[Yahweh]

Why does R&P attract all the lunatics?
Well, I would post more in the Politics forum if I only cared more...

[BroodingSkill]

According to Webster online you get this:

Main Entry: 1fool
1 : a person lacking in judgment or prudence
2 a : a retainer formerly kept in great households to provide casual entertainment and commonly dressed in motley with cap, bells, and bauble b : one who is victimized or made to appear foolish : DUPE
3 a : a harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in common powers of understanding b : one with a marked propensity or fondness for something <a dancing fool> <a fool for candy>
4 : a cold dessert of pureed fruit mixed with whipped cream or custard

Main Entry: lu·na·tic
1 a : affected with lunacy:
2 : wildly foolish

Main Entry: lu·na·cy
1 : any of various forms of insanity: as a : intermittent insanity once believed to be related to phases of the moon b : insanity amounting to lack of capacity or of responsibility in the eyes of the law
2 : wild foolishness : extravagant folly
3 : a foolish act

So it looks like there's not that much difference. Though I learned something new, I've never heard of a desert called a 'fool' before.
Learning can be fun.:)

[c4ts]

Thank you captain semantics, a.k.a. Webster. We now have four "fools" and four "lunatics" to choose from. Of course a fool is different than a lunatic, for a lunatic is a wild fool, and a fool is fruit and cool whip!

Seriously I think Webster isn't too useful unless you need to know how to use the words in your speech and where they are most appropriately applied.

[Some Friggin Guy]

C4ts, I think I can answer, at least theoretically.

The reason you get so many loons here is the same reason RR gets some skeptical folks: The desire to "convert"

This is a simplified way of saying that people in general have the need to have their beliefs validated, but not just by those who hold the same or similar beliefs.

Think about it this way, when a skeptic manages to change a religious or superstitious person into a skeptic, or at least get that person to think more critically about their beliefs, they consider it a "victory", if even a small one. The loons feel the same way. If they can wade into an area dominated by skeptics and free-thinkers, and convert one of them, or get one of them to start thinking there may be something valid in their beliefs, they consider it a victory.

The difference is, it's harder for the loon, the religious or the superstitious to convert a skeptic, since there is no actual evidence on their side. It doesn't stop them from trying, so they will continue until they are shut down.

One of the reasons it doesn't necessarily seem as bad over at places like RR is because they don't feel the need to fight everyone to get their point across. They are amoung friends there. The reason you don't see as much bashing there (at least in my experiences at heavily religious boards) is because the minute someone professes a belief contrary to the main ideas of the board, they get banned, as opposed to here, where all views are allowed to be expressed (within reason.)

[Funkenstien]

I agree with some friggin' guy. We are the perfect place for these web prophets to come and testify. It's about conversion.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Funkenstien
I agree with some friggin' guy. We are the perfect place for these web prophets to come and testify. It's about conversion.

What a lot of them fail to comprehend ( before they come here ) is that a lot of us have ' been there, done that ' ... And that is why we are still here...

[lifegazer]

God cannot die. The FBI are paying me to keep him alive so that society doesn't crumble. It's all politics.

[RussDill]

Originally posted by lifegazer
God cannot die. The FBI are paying me to keep him alive so that society doesn't crumble. It's all politics.

Ah-hah, I knew your were a genius just pretending to be a crazy british bridge player.

[The idea]

Originally posted by c4ts
What's the difference between a fool and a lunatic, if any?
It's difficult to give a general analysis, but maybe this example will help:

A lunatic (who wants directions and sees a pedestrian across the road) ignores an oncoming bus and switches lanes without changing directions. The bus driver is forced to take action to avoid a collision. The lunatic stops the car facing the oncoming bus and shouts a question to the pedestrian.

A fool (who wants directions and sees a pedestrian across the road) ignores a parked truck, switches lanes without changing directions, and crashes into the truck.

[Interesting Ian]

Is there any purpose to this rather silly thread? c4ts, it seems to me you define anyone as being a lunatic who does not subscribe to your views on the nature of reality. Are you so arrogant that it does not occur to you for one second that you may not have all the answers to the Universe?

Just wondering.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian
Is there any purpose to this rather silly thread?
Is there any point to the thread that will not die?

c4ts, it seems to me you define anyone as being a lunatic who does not subscribe to your views on the nature of reality.
I'm sure c4ts wouldnt agree with those words going in his mouth...

Are you so arrogant that it does not occur to you for one second that you may not have all the answers to the Universe?
Likewise.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by lifegazer
God cannot die.

Greetings lifegazer my friend.


I have been too busy of late to really spend any time here and hope everyone is well. But I did have time to skim this morning and just had to post to this which is another contradiction in your belief and as to your statements.

Here you say God cannot die. but I am sure many others remember that not too long ago you said that unless you could unite all beings to believe as you do God was going to die. When pushed by me showing such a belief means I have control to kill your God simply by not believing in “him” you then said “ If God dies it is because it is his choice” .

Now as always I must ask, do you really know what you believe? Perhaps may I leave you with a tip try to say only one thing and stick to it.

Be well.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Greetings lifegazer my friend.

Where've you been? I missed you. You need to spend less time sitting in the dark my friend, and more time studying my philosophy. :p

I have been too busy of late to really spend any time here and hope everyone is well. But I did have time to skim this morning and just had to post to this which is another contradiction in your belief and as to your statements.

Well I actually made that post in jest. The FBI aren't really paying me. Not yet anyway.

Here you say
"God cannot die."

but I am sure many others remember that not too long ago you said that unless you could unite all beings to believe as you do God was going to die. When pushed by me showing such a belief means I have control to kill your God simply by not believing in “him” you then said “ If God dies it is because it is his choice” .

Now as always I must ask, do you really know what you believe? Perhaps may I leave you with a tip try to say only one thing and stick to it.

'God' cannot die in the sense that God will always exist. But God can, if God so chooses, exist without being. That is why I say that God can be dead (to being), even though God will always exist.
So, God is eternal, but God can be dead to being. Do you understand this?

[Pahansiri]

Greetings lifegazer

Where've you been? I missed you.


Many things here to catch up on and 3 articles to be written that I was behind on, and there is more to life then posting at a discussion board ;) .


You need to spend less time sitting in the dark my friend,

Now is that how you greet me back with more illogical silly statements?

and more time studying my philosophy.

I would argue your philosophy is in the dark. It is also somewhat hard to study something that is not coherent and changing daily.


Well I actually made that post in jest. The FBI aren't really paying me. Not yet anyway.

My sweet friend your comprehension skills are still compromised by your closed mind. I did not mention the silly part about the FBI, please read what is written.


'God' cannot die in the sense that God will always exist. But God can, if God so chooses, exist without being.

Back to my advice think of one belief and stick to it as this again contradicts what you have said in the past. You make yourself look the fool here and I do not really believe you are.




That is why I say that God can be dead (to being), even though God will always exist.
So, God is eternal, but God can be dead to being. Do you understand this?

No one can, as it is silliness. By the way you did not say “God can be dead” you said that if YOU could not unite all people God would die. Is not “ thou shall not lie” a part of your belief?:(

I was hoping that you were ready for a mature, respectful conversation, I hope in time you can be.

Be well.

[geni]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Is there any point to the thread that will not die?


Yes

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Many things here to catch up on and 3 articles to be written that I was behind on, and there is more to life then posting at a discussion board ;)

Are you a writer? Or a student?

Now is that how you greet me back with more illogical silly statements?

Just trying to raise a smile.

I would argue your philosophy is in the dark. It is also somewhat hard to study something that is not coherent and changing daily.

Comparing my philosophy with the weather reports is also silly.

My sweet friend your comprehension skills are still compromised by your closed mind. I did not mention the silly part about the FBI, please read what is written.

My post was in jest and yet you still scrutinise it for little errors. Are you a member of the FBI, by any chance?

Back to my advice think of one belief and stick to it as this again contradicts what you have said in the past. You make yourself look the fool here and I do not really believe you are.

Only God exists. That's as singular as it gets.

No one can, as it is silliness. By the way you did not say “God can be dead” you said that if YOU could not unite all people God would die. Is not “ thou shall not lie” a part of your belief?:(

Yes, God will die to being. It's simple. Drop me a line and I'll explain it to you.

I was hoping that you were ready for a mature, respectful conversation, I hope in time you can be.

Be well.
Let's keep it informal or I'll fall asleep and might make a
mistake. LOL

[Pahansiri]

Greetings

Are you a writer? Or a student?

I am a sports nutritionist, strength & conditioning coach to elite and pro athletes. I also lecture and write for industry mags etc.


Just trying to raise a smile.

I try always like to smile but find endless statements like that one and about sitting in my pajamas etc prejudice and ignorant as I find al such attacks on peoples as groups etc. I like to personally kid around but never seek to say unkind personal things. Not that I am harmed by your statements and know you believe that are funny I just find such as being ignorant and used to avoid an actual conversation about beliefs and statements.

Comparing my philosophy with the weather reports is also silly.

1- can you show me using my post where I compared your philosophy to weather reports?

On second thought I know you will not ( nor can not) try to support something you say so to ask is silly on my part.

2- I would agree that any comparing your philosophy with the weather reports is silly as weather reports are based in fact, logic, provable etc. Your belief is baseless until you provide supporting facts and logic.




My post was in jest and yet you still scrutinise it for little errors. Are you a member of the FBI, by any chance?

1- again you prove my statement that comprehension skills are still compromised by your closed mind. I did not mention the silly part about the FBI, please read what is written. This is the 2nd time I had to say this.
2- You quiestion that I “scrutinise” ( spelled scrutinize. ;) ) your statements? This is a discussion board I understand you wish people to blindly follow you but the reality is no one is going to. Also if your belief is you must single handedly “save” the world by bring every human together to believe as you do in your life time you are wasting your time here as clearly no one believes you and very few people as to the worlds population come to this site. :rolleyes:

Only God exists. That's as singular as it gets.

Proof? No, forget I asked. Funny this “singular” is so fragmented as no one on Earth believes as you do this seems to be the flaw of your God as it is greatly confused.

Yes, God will die to being. It's simple. Drop me a line and I'll explain it to you.

VS

Originally posted by lifegazer
God cannot die.

Vs

But God can, if God so chooses

VS

Unless I can bring all people into unity God will die


Your belief lacks any continuity.

Let's keep it informal or I'll fall asleep and might make a
mistake. LOL

I have no idea what this means or how it is relevant but I have come to expect such from you.. :rolleyes:

We are done my friend this is boring and of no value I understand it gives you feelings of being needed, “power” etc so I will not respond again and by such you may post what you desire and attain a feeling of getting the last word and an illusion of power.:rub:


May you be well and happy.

[lifegazer]

Originally posted by Pahansiri
Yes, God will die to being.

VS

God cannot die.

... Your belief lacks any continuity.

I thought you had a bit more upstairs. Seems I am wrong.
God is before God becomes anything. Don't you understand that? God is the cause of God's being.
God is is eternal. Yet God can die to becoming anything. I.e., God can die to being, whilst God is.
So, God cannot die; but God can die to being.
I'm sorry that this stuff is hard for you. But it's a piece of cake for me.

Please regain your sense of humour.

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by c4ts
I've been thinking a lot about the kind of people who get attracted to this forum in particular. It's like no other on the web that I can think of, not even RR. What we have is a history of madmen, people who aren't just irrational but their brains just don't seem to work right. (Perhaps they are geniuses, or simply pretending to be crazy, but what do I know? Maybe I'm crazy and they're the only ones who are sane, but that's irrelevant right now.) Certainly this forum has attracted its fair share of stable mentally healthy folks, but just look at all the weirdos who have posted here. People like Agur, Franko, Jedi Knight, and lifegazer. Anyway, the point is WHY DO THEY ALL POST HERE?? WHY DO RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY ATTRACT ALL THE CRAZY PEOPLE??

You seem to post a lot in that section of the board.

QED.

[evildave]

Generally, R&P doesn't require any real research or hard thinking. Especially when most people go off rote memorization instead of relying on any wit they might have developed over a lifetime of thinking.

It's all just opinion versus opinion.

Is it one man's opinion a god exists, and another's that one doesn't? It really doesn't matter to me, but there's no reliably evidence to support any conclusion or position about gods, a god, or a lack of gods, any of their policies about humans, or guidelines for them.

Hearsay or heresy? Who cares? It's just fun arguing for the sake of argument.

[UndercoverElephant]

Originally posted by Janus

The R&P forum was in fact created to draw religious lunatics away from the rest of the forum.


The R&P forum was created in the second week after JREF started it. A question was asked what other forums would be suitable and religion and philosophy were both suggested as relevant. At this point there were no religious lunatics posting at all.

:)

[geni]

Once again the million dollar challange forum has shown that it attracts the most people with slightly odd views of reality (and how to use the caps lock).

[c4ts]

Originally posted by geni
Once again the million dollar challange forum has shown that it attracts the most people with slightly odd views of reality (and how to use the caps lock).

Oddly enough, Muscleman never posted once in the Million Dollar Challenge forum. I wouldn't say he was crazy, just happily angrily close minded and adamant.

[Iacchus]

Originally posted by c4ts

Anyway, the point is WHY DO THEY ALL POST HERE?? WHY DO RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY ATTRACT ALL THE CRAZY PEOPLE?? Because nature abhors a vacuum? ;) And maybe this is her attempt at establishing a "balanced view?"

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by lifegazer

'God' cannot die in the sense that God will always exist. But God can, if God so chooses, exist without being. That is why I say that God can be dead (to being), even though God will always exist.
So, God is eternal, but God can be dead to being. Do you understand this?

God can die as many times as they want. If every particle is god, then I doubt god has much fear of death.

Only wuss religions have eternal dieties, the truely brave religions allow thier gods to die on a regular basis, it has something to do with the frequent flier miles on Heaven Airways.

[c4ts]

Sigh... it's only a matter of time before Answer finds this forum.