Paranormal is not for All people

[likelystory]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)

[calebprime]

One cannot find the paranormal beings, nor re-greate their Powers.

One cannot behold the paranormal energy.

One enjoys the science Fiction.

[likelystory]

One cannot find the paranormal beings, nor re-greate their Powers.

One cannot behold the paranormal energy.

One enjoys the science Fiction.


The paranormal is not science fiction. Science fiction ''IS'' science fiction. Two entirely different things.

[dio]

The paranormal is not science fiction. Science fiction ''IS'' science fiction. Two entirely different things.

You nailed it.

Science fiction "IS" science fiction.

The paranormal "IS" just fiction.

Two entirely different things. :)

ETA: And you are also correct that it's not for all people. Some of us can see it for what it is. See above.

[ynot]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)
Haven't taken your pills today have you.

Or perhaps you have been taking the wrong type of pills.

[Trent Wray]

So the paranormal beings decide who gets the paranormal powers and experience? Yes?

Who are the beings, and what criteria are they looking for?

[Little 10 Toes]

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.

You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Which is it? Is it given to me by "paranormal beings" or do I "have it to begin with"?

[Sean84]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)

So what is your paranormal claim?

Remember when I asked you about those "future legal binding purposes"? (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5769403&postcount=145) I still can't seem to find an answer to that.

[dio]

[...]behold the effects of the paranormal energy[...]

Behold indeed, those paranormals can drain your wallet just like that.:mad:

[HumanityBlues]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)

I don't think your argument holds water whatsoever. If you have a paranormal ability, whether it is to read minds, tell the future, or whatever it is that charlatans claim they can do, there's no valid excuse as to why it can't be replicated simply because an audience is there. Are paranormal abilities so insanely special that they only actually work unless under controlled or monitored conditions? Then whatever paranormal ability you are referring to is pretty lame on its face.

[likelystory]

I don't think your argument holds water whatsoever. If you have a paranormal ability, whether it is to read minds, tell the future, or whatever it is that charlatans claim they can do, there's no valid excuse as to why it can't be replicated simply because an audience is there. Are paranormal abilities so insanely special that they only actually work unless under controlled or monitored conditions? Then whatever paranormal ability you are referring to is pretty lame on its face.

You completely missed it.

Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it. When someone reveals their paranormal power to scientists in my lifetime,the scientists will not be able to replicate it in the Lab. The scientists will only be an audience observers to the paranormal power.

Their studies to mimic the power will fail.

[HumanityBlues]

You completely missed it.

Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it. When someone reveals their paranormal power to scientists in my lifetime,the scientists will not be able to replicate it in the Lab. The scientists will only be an audience observers to the paranormal power.

Their studies to mimic the power will fail.

Well, no one has revealed any compelling evidence of "paranormal power" as of yet, so the point is pretty moot. But as other posters have said, what is the paranormal claim that you're even referring to as an example?

Predicting the future? Reading minds? Talking to dead people? Pick one.

[likelystory]

So the paranormal beings decide who gets the paranormal powers and experience? Yes?

Who are the beings, and what criteria are they looking for?

The spirits beings do offer the power,though the power can be rejected before being accepted or delayed by the person who has been choosen for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane.

[Ethan Thane Athen]

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Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it. ..

Then it wouldn't be paranormal...ie if it had an explainable, replicable mechanism.

[likelystory]

So what is your paranormal claim?

Remember when I asked you about those "future legal binding purposes"? (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5769403&postcount=145) I still can't seem to find an answer to that.

I am not prepared to reveal politician's name(s) or discuss anything else relating to that quote.

And I'm with holding the disclosure of my paranormal claim(s) for the moment.

[likelystory]

Then it wouldn't be paranormal...ie if it had an explainable, replicable mechanism.

Science believe if something is observable then they can replicate it.... how wrong that belief is.

[Ethan Thane Athen]

Science believe if something is observable then they can replicate it.... how wrong that belief is.

I'm not sure that's correct. At most they may believe it would be replicable in the future - but it may not be a practicable replication even if theoretically possible.

[Jack by the hedge]

Science believe if something is observable then they can replicate it.... how wrong that belief is.

This is nonsense.

I can't juggle. I can observe people doing it, but I can't replicate their feats.
This doesn't worry me. It certainly doesn't make me disbelieve in juggling.

[likelystory]

This is nonsense.

I can't juggle. I can observe people doing it, but I can't replicate their feats.
This doesn't worry me. It certainly doesn't make me disbelieve in juggling.

Some scientists can juggle. So your example was rather flawed.

[Jack by the hedge]

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

It doesn't matter if "ordinary" people can't do paranormal tricks. Scientists would be more than happy to study one person who can. Nobody can.

[Jack by the hedge]

Some scientists can juggle. So your example was rather flawed.

No. I made no claim that scientists can't juggle. That would be stupid. I merely said that some people can, but I, like many others, cannot. The analogy stands.

[Sean84]

I am not prepared to reveal politician's name(s) or discuss anything else relating to that quote.

And I'm with holding the disclosure of my paranormal claim(s) for the moment.

Which is just evidence that you don't want to discuss anything rationally, you simply want to spout off.

Correct me if I'm wrong by providing some logical argument, evidence, anything other than meaningless drivel regarding anonymous politicians and yet-to-be-mentioned powers.

[likelystory]

Correct me if I'm wrong Can't correct a negative :D

[Sean84]

Can't correct a negative :D

Since when???

Which is just evidence that you don't want to discuss anything rationally, you simply want to spout off.

Correct me if I'm wrong by providing some logical argument, evidence, anything other than meaningless drivel regarding anonymous politicians and yet-to-be-mentioned powers.

Please don't butcher my posts in an attempt to misquote me.

[Jocce]

Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it.

Ehhh, no. Scientists think that paranormal abilities are bunk. They just demand that you replicate it under controlled conditions if you claim to possess such abilities. Especially if you're interested in winning one million monies.

[Jack by the hedge]

Can't correct a negative :D

Ah. I think I see the problem here:
Have you been trying to correct people when you think they're right?

This might explain a lot of confusing posts.

[likelystory]

Ah. I think I see the problem here:
Have you been trying to correct people when you think they're right?

This might explain a lot of confusing posts.

I wonder how you would respond if you weren't able to place a question mark at the finishing of your sentences.

You are permitted to say what you know ;)

[likelystory]

Ehhh, no. Scientists think that paranormal abilities are bunk. They just demand that you replicate it under controlled conditions if you claim to possess such abilities. Especially if you're interested in winning one million monies.

It's not the Scientists decision to payout the global downturn million.

[Trent Wray]

The spirits beings do offer the power,though the power can be rejected before being accepted or delayed by the person who has been choosen for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane. How do you know this? Can you explain in detail please. It will save the questioning back and forth.

i.e. ..... did you see the spirit? How do you know it was real? How do you know you can trust them? how did it happen? etc and so forth ...

[Jack by the hedge]

I wonder how you would respond if you weren't able to place a question mark at the finishing of your sentences.

You are permitted to say what you know ;)

Forget the question mark at the end. Concentrate on the "I think" at the beginning. I know I don't need permission to do that.

[DC]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)


HAHAHA best excuse from the Charlatan side i have heard.

Paranormal is just a political correct name for total nutcases.

[Sean84]

Ok, since you detest questions: just provide some logical argument, evidence, anything other than meaningless drivel regarding anonymous politicians and yet-to-be-mentioned powers.

[Jack by the hedge]

It's not the Scientists decision to payout the global downturn million.

I wonder if anyone else understand what this means. (Note the lack of question mark)

[Ashles]

And I'm with holding the disclosure of my paranormal claim(s) for the moment.

Oh what a surprise. :rolleyes:

I don't think we've seen that briliiantly cunning manoeuvre before more than... ooh... about a thousand times.

Tell you what, why don't you wait until you are ready to disclose your 'paranormal claim(s)' before discussing the paranormal any more.

[mike3]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)

If someone already has the power, then that person should be able to demonstrate it in a lab. It doesn't matter if anyone else can/can't get the power. The problem is to prove ANYone has this power, that this power exists. We can't cause a supernova in the "Lab" (and we wouldn't want to!), but we can observe them when they happen via a telescope (and in very rare cases, our bare eyes). And such good, high-quality and credible observation is sufficient to prove the phenomenon exists. What is missing here, then? ONE good, credible, high-quality observation of paranormal power. So far, not ONE such observation has been made.

[learner]

I am not prepared to reveal politician's name(s) or discuss anything else relating to that quote.

And I'm with holding the disclosure of my paranormal claim(s) for the moment.



Please feel free to with...hold the disclosure for as long as you possibly can. In the meantime stop being silly. Paranormal powers do not exist and you know it. Since you have managed to turn your computer on all by yourself (you did, didnt you?) you have displayed the level of intelligence required to recognise this nonsense for what it is.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

As posted before, why would scientists be upset that they cannot personally replicate the demonstrated power.
As long as someone can reproducibly in controlled circumstances replicate their paranormal power it would be a major scientific breakthrough.
Not only would it prove the existence of the ability, but also of a some form of controlling power that can decide who gets such abilities and who doesn't.
Such a power would be a major step in showing spirits or gods actually exist.

Since a very large number of scientists in the world hold to some religion or other or would like to prove the supernatural, there should be no problem getting such things tested and accepted.
However. Even after several centuries of scientific testing there is no proof of any such powers. In fact, as science progressed, more and more of the supernatural was proven to be either fake or wishful interpretation, thus leading to the current situation where we don't accept something just because someone claims they can.

[Stray Cat]

You are permitted to say what you know ;)
Cool.... I know you're full of it. :)

[fagin]

The spirits beings do offer the power,though the power can be rejected before being accepted or delayed by the person who has been choosen for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane.

have you been given the power to drive people insane?

[Mirrorglass]

Science believe if something is observable then they can replicate it.... how wrong that belief is.

Ah yes. The age-old problem. Remember how disappointed we were when the scientist declared the Bohr atom model wrong because the they themselves couldn't spin around atom cores with blinding speeds? Or when science declared birds can't really fly, since the scientist couldn't, despite rigorously flapping their labcoats?

[Ashles]

It's not the Scientists decision to payout the global downturn million.

I recognise all the words in that sentence... it's just the order they have been arranged in that is rather baffling.

[Sledge]

Not this old chestnut again. "You just have to BELIEVE, why won't you BELIEVE? Why do you place your faith in a system that produces repeatable, verifiable results instead of just BELIEVING?" It's like watching kids at a panto, desperately clapping their hands so Tinkerbell won't die.

[Steve001]

Which is it? Is it given to me by "paranormal beings" or do I "have it to begin with"?

Oh, don't be silly everyone knows it's a gift.

[dafydd]

This is one the of the funniest sites on the net,in places.I love reading the gibberish that these dingbats post.

[Twiler]

Likelystory, how do you know all this? What is the source of your information?

[Safe-Keeper]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.So is being an autism savant.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.Firstly, do you have a point, or is this just a smug "mama gave me cookies from the cookie jar, and she didn't give any to you, nyah, nyah" post?

Science believe if something is observable then they can replicate it...No. Science teaches that a theory must be falsifiable to be a valid theory. I can't just tell you that by mixing certain ingredients, you get a substance that will allow you to fly -- others have to be able to actually do it. The paranormal, if it exists, can be verified in a controlled setting, such as the MDC. Just like anything else in the material world.

[Little 10 Toes]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.

You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.Original post snipped.

Which is it? Is it given to me by "paranormal beings" or do I "have it to begin with"?

The spirits beings do offer the power,though the power can be rejected before being accepted or delayed by the person who has been choosen for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane.

Oh, don't be silly everyone knows it's a gift.

According to likelystory, who has posted eight times after me and has not answered my question, it's either a gift or something that I have to have to begin with.

Likelystory, please provide proof that "paranormal beings" exist. Please explain why/how "gifts" are "rejected before being accepted or delayed". Please provide proof that "paranormal power" is the source "for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane".

[dio]

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime[...]

No, see, it will not.

The fuel for paranormal power is stupidity. That's why it doesn't work in labs, the fuel isn't there.

[sadhatter]

So seeing as this thread is an utter waste of time and space, could someone pm me with what jeff's prank was? I came on a bit late today and am out of the loop.

[rambaldi]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability.

So what is your standard for believing i.e. Psychics? What if someone claimed to have read you and found out something negative?

[Legend]

Likelystory, how do you know all this? What is the source of your information?

God you people don't get it? Information is for pansies with too much logicality up in them theirs brains.

Alex.

[Safe-Keeper]

The fuel for paranormal power is stupidity. That's why it doesn't work in labs, the fuel isn't there. Not only elitist but also completely false. Lots of intelligent people believe in psychics.

[Hellbound]

Not only elitist but also completely false. Lots of intelligent people believe in psychics.

Yes, but that's only because they've been hanging around a large enough concentration of stupid to power pyschic phenomena ;)

[dafydd]

So seeing as this thread is an utter waste of time and space, could someone pm me with what jeff's prank was? I came on a bit late today and am out of the loop.

What was it? I missed it too.

[sadhatter]

What was it? I missed it too.

I am starting to believe the notice was the prank, in order to amuse the mods and whatnot as to what stories or predictions the actual prank was.

[dio]

Lots of intelligent people believe in psychics.

Yes, and we all know that intelligent people can not possibly act stupid.:rolleyes:




What was it? I missed it too.

You didn't miss anything. The notice at the top of the page is the prank.


ETA: sadhatter was faster.

[HumanityBlues]

Instead of trolling here and barking about some politician who doesn't really exist, why doesn't likelystory just take the million dollar challenge?

[sadhatter]

Instead of trolling here and barking about some politician who doesn't really exist, why doesn't likelystory just take the million dollar challenge?

Because we don't get real paranormal believers. We get people who want attention.

I am sorry, but i don't buy any of the excuses they use not to preform. If you have an ability , and someone challenges it, sure you might not want to. But when your getting such a large benefit ( not to mention all the other benefits proving the paranormal would entail.) no one is going to just say " not worth it"

Heck, if anyone doesn't believe me, offer me 2 grand to fix an arcade machine. Watch how quick i jump on it once i know the 2 grand is legit. Offer me a million, heck i would walk down to Florida to do it.

[bookitty]

But what about all those people who honestly believed they had some sort of paranormal power but then realized that it could be explained by more mundane means?

For example, there are a few people on this board who came here because they thought they were eligible for the MDC. After being given some rational explanations, they realized that they did not have a supernatural ability.

[Stray Cat]

heck i would walk down to Florida to do it.

No sorry... Walking doesn't qualify for being paranormal ;)

[sadhatter]

But what about all those people who honestly believed they had some sort of paranormal power but then realized that it could be explained by more mundane means?

For example, there are a few people on this board who came here because they thought they were eligible for the MDC. After being given some rational explanations, they realized that they did not have a supernatural ability.

You know i may have been a bit too all reaching in my statement.

I would say, yes i have seen some people i would consider real believers. But they act nothing like the rorylee's or the likelystories, etc. They come in talk some shop about their favorite woo maybe give a link or two, but are generally understandable and decent. ( though i have not seen it personally i am sure you are correct that there have also been those that come in and realize they have no power. )

While the majority of superhuman claiments simply post nonsense , then try to hook people with promises of applying, or just ramble on and on. These people are about as into the paranormal as i am, and simply have as much time as i had when i used to go to the loose change boards on imdb and see what crazy crap i could get truthers to believe. ( ahh 2004)

I personally go with a put up or shut up philosophy, if the person starts to ramble or go on a side tangent. I don't even bother.

[sadhatter]

No sorry... Walking doesn't qualify for being paranormal ;)

Have you seen the inside of an old arcade machine? There is more magic than science , i can confirm that as a fact, lol. I mean my claim, technically is the fixing, the walking, well if someone is offering me a million, i will hop scotch my way to florida soldering gun in hand, whistling the benny hill theme if they wanted.

[Aquila]

But what about all those people who honestly believed they had some sort of paranormal power but then realized that it could be explained by more mundane means?
(my bolding)

I agree that so-called paranormal experiences can be explained by rational, scientific methods. "What is termed "pyschism" for example, is, I think, simply an extension of sensory sensitivity, which evolved through natural selection, because there was an advantage in having this heightened awareness of one's surroundings when we had to look out for wild animals.

As the human fore-brain became more developed and humans became more in control of their environment, these primitive abilities became "sub-conscious" or sub-liminal, with us not even being aware that stimuli were getting into our brains. Because society has favored the development of rationality more in men then women, this sub-conscious ability became more prominent in women.

Of course the problem with these sub-conscious extra stimuli is that they often get confused with non-relevant stuff in our sub-conscious minds. The subconscious is simply a store house, with no ability to sort or order the impressions it gets. Hence the vague and often inaccurate stuff often spouted by "psychics".

[Trent Wray]

Suppose there are people who are chosen to be paranormal in nature, and those who aren't. Suppose there is a distinct difference between the two ... almost like a different species. Suppose the paranormal species has powers, a god, a spirit ... and the non-paranormal species has no spirit, is not under god, etc.

Why would it be this way? What does it ultimately mean? A conspiracy theory apocalyptic war between the Chosen and the non-Chosen? This seems to be a popular concept .... that the non-Chosen will seek and destroy the Chosen or something. But why? If they are never able to prove the woo ... or have access to the power ... what incentive would the non-Chosen have to destroy the Chosen?

Likewise, if the Chosen start the apocolyptic scenario ... why would they do it? They have powers and god and a spirit. What do the non-Chosen have that is such a threat to them?

I still don't get it.

[not daSkeptic]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)

Let's assume for the moment that the above is true and accurate. How do you propose one distinguishes this from fiction? In other words, since it's possible that someone could make all of this up, how does one tell whether or not that is the case?

[HumanityBlues]

Because we don't get real paranormal believers. We get people who want attention.

I am sorry, but i don't buy any of the excuses they use not to preform. If you have an ability , and someone challenges it, sure you might not want to. But when your getting such a large benefit ( not to mention all the other benefits proving the paranormal would entail.) no one is going to just say " not worth it"

Heck, if anyone doesn't believe me, offer me 2 grand to fix an arcade machine. Watch how quick i jump on it once i know the 2 grand is legit. Offer me a million, heck i would walk down to Florida to do it.

And even if they fail, they can just blame the failure on "negative energies".

[Alice Shortcake]

Why are the woos so unwilling to reveal the names of the people who allegedly support them? I recently had the pleasure of helping to get an "energy healer" with no medical qualifications fined for offering to treat cancer patients. This man claims to have been inundated with messages of support from anonymous MPs, anonymous doctors, anonymous celebrities and anonymous religious leaders. Until you name your anonymous politician I'll assume that he doesn't exist.

[elgarak]

You completely missed it.

Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it. When someone reveals their paranormal power to scientists in my lifetime,the scientists will not be able to replicate it in the Lab. The scientists will only be an audience observers to the paranormal power.

Their studies to mimic the power will fail.

A human scientist cannot make elephant poop.

Doesn't stop him/her to go out and observe elephant's pooping, get poop or an elephant into the lab to study it to find out how elephant poop is made.

[Limbo]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability.


What exactly is the difference between a paranormal encounter and an audience to the paranormal?

[Ladewig]

If I may channel Eliza Dolittle:

Don't talk of paranormal powers, Show me.
Don't describe how wonderful they are, Show me.
Don't gush over amazing, unreplicable, unfathomable, impressive feats, Show me.

Please provide evidence. The Million Dollar Challenge is a good place to start. If the rules are not to your liking there are a dozen other skeptic-funded challenges that pay top dollar.

Show me.

[Dr H]

Predicting the future? Reading minds? Talking to dead people? Pick one.

Predicting the future by reading the minds of dead people through their keys. :hypnotize

[Dr H]

The spirits beings do offer the power,though the power can be rejected before being accepted or delayed by the person who has been choosen for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane.

I am certainly prepared to believe that involvement with the paranormal can drive some people insane.

[Dr H]

Science believe if something is observable then they can replicate it.... how wrong that belief is.

You haven't done much looking into astronomy, have you?

[Dr H]

No sorry... Walking doesn't qualify for being paranormal ;)

On water? ;)

[Hellbound]

On water? ;)

That depends, can you chew gum at the same time?

[Dr H]

A human scientist cannot make elephant poop.

Doesn't stop him/her to go out and observe elephant's pooping, get poop or an elephant into the lab to study it to find out how elephant poop is made.

Nor, if he's really slick, from getting a government grant to study elephant poop. :)

[Dr H]

That depends, can you chew gum at the same time?

Damn! :(

[shandyjan]

Why are the woos so unwilling to reveal the names of the people who allegedly support them? I recently had the pleasure of helping to get an "energy healer" with no medical qualifications fined for offering to treat cancer patients. This man claims to have been inundated with messages of support from anonymous MPs, anonymous doctors, anonymous celebrities and anonymous religious leaders. Until you name your anonymous politician I'll assume that he doesn't exist.

I agree! A politician would not support someone in something like this and ask for it to remain secret. Celebrities who believe in this sort of thing open their mouths on their twitters and blogs. I call shennanigans!
And well done again, Alice Shortcake!

[Minarvia]

You completely missed it.

Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it. When someone reveals their paranormal power to scientists in my lifetime,the scientists will not be able to replicate it in the Lab. The scientists will only be an audience observers to the paranormal power.

Their studies to mimic the power will fail.

Evidence? And where the heck did you come up with this? And are you saying that you have polled every scientist on the planet and they all agreed to this broad-brush assumption of yours?

Do you also realize that you aren't making much sense? Is English your first language?

Uri Geller claimed to have "revealed his paranormal power" to scientists but later was proven to be nothing but a trickster. A lying, manipulative, publicity-hungry fraud.

If there really were paranormal powers we would all know about them by now. Just as we all know apes exist and lions exist.

[likelystory]

If there really were paranormal powers we would all know about them by now. Just as we all know apes exist and lions exist.

Why would the whole world know about the paranormal?.The paranormal does not broadcast itself like some showmen do or show women such as Ms Browne.

Sylvia uses the media to advertise her gimmick,there's nothing paranormal about her,She's a verbal ear tickler.

The paranormal only knocks on certain doors.

[not daSkeptic]

The paranormal only knocks on certain doors.

Why should anybody think such a statement is anything other than fantasy?

[likelystory]

Let's assume for the moment that the above is true and accurate. How do you propose one distinguishes this from fiction? In other words, since it's possible that someone could make all of this up, how does one tell whether or not that is the case?
I know what I wrote is correct,it's you who can't be covinced because of your attitude.You prevent yourself (though it's paranormal influences preventing you) from assuming TRUTH can be absolute.

So you can't be convinced ever about ''anything''. Therefore you haven't even began to search for the truth, You're still at the starting point,facing the other way.

[Minarvia]

Why would the whole world know about the paranormal?.The paranormal does not broadcast itself like some showmen do or show women such as Ms Browne.

Sylvia uses the media to advertise her gimmick,there's nothing paranormal about her,She's a verbal ear tickler.

The paranormal only knocks on certain doors.

Okay, but how do YOU know this? Are you saying you are privy to special knowledge? How did you get it?

[likelystory]

Why should anybody think such a statement is anything other than fantasy?

The fantasy of ALL Skeptics is to witness the paranormal..... how wooish is that?

[lionking]

I know what I wrote is correct,it's you who can't be covinced because of your attitude.You prevent yourself (though it's paranormal influences preventing you) from assuming TRUTH can be absolute.

So you can't be convinced ever about ''anything''. Therefore you haven't even began to search for the truth, You're still at the starting point,facing the other way.

You do realise, don't you, that virtually everyone here would celebrate proof that "paranormal" phenomena were actually real?

Complete absence of such proof is the (your) problem.

[likelystory]

Okay, but how do YOU know this? Are you saying you are privy to special knowledge? How did you get it?

From the first paranormal Spirit. It was a handout.

[likelystory]

You do realise, don't you, that virtually everyone here would celebrate proof that "paranormal" phenomena were actually real?

Complete absence of such proof is the (your) problem.

I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called man's scientific knowledge. I know ''it'' from first hand experiences.

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?

[lionking]

I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called man's scientific knowledge. I know ''it'' from first hand experiences.

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?
Your posts are extremely difficult to understand. Are you saying that all paranormal phenomena is impervious to scientific analysis? Can you explain why this is so.

[Minarvia]

The fantasy of ALL Skeptics is to witness the paranormal..... how wooish is that?

I don't. So you are wrong. Your broad brush is of very poor quality.

Your OP is right, in a way. The paranormal is not for everybody. Actually, it is not for ANYBODY. It does not exist, at least not in the way you imply.

[not daSkeptic]

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?

No, we just don't understand why such ideas should be treated as anything other than fiction. These things may in fact be real, but the problem is that human beings are completely capable of dreaming up such concepts. Storytellers have been doing it for millennia and still do so today. Thus we need some way to distinguish what is real from what is make believe.

[likelystory]

Your posts are extremely difficult to understand. Are you saying that all paranormal phenomena is impervious to scientific analysis? Can you explain why this is so.

The paranormal spirits and the effects caused by them, can either be revealed or hidden at will.

People think products of technology are solely computers and loads of other electronic gadgets.Where as the ''spirits themslves'' are living technology surpassing man's scientific toys.(sadly some spirits have influenced man to make toys in the form of nuclear weapons).

[Ladewig]

I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called man's scientific knowledge. I know ''it'' from first hand experiences.

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?

You're a little off base on that one. Here's the part that disgruntles me. The paranormalists claim that they can do things. The scientifically-minded then ask, "can you do them under controlled conditions?" The paranormalists then give excuses why they can't do their paranormalism when scientists, sleight-of-hand artists, and skeptics are watching. That's all we want. You seem to know a lot about the paranormalists. Can you explain why they never want to perform in front of skeptics? Again, there is more than $1,000,000 waiting for the first one to step forward and demonstrate his or her power.

Furthermore, and more importantly, why are we even talking about what may disgruntle skeptics? Let's focus on the matter at hand: when can we see some demonstrations?

[lionking]

The paranormal spirits and the effects caused by them, can either be revealed or hidden at will.

People think products of technology are solely computers and loads of other electronic gadgets.Where as the ''spirits themslves'' are living technology surpassing man's scientific toys.(sadly some spirits have influenced man to make toys in the form of nuclear weapons).


I see you are unwilling to answer questions. Not surprising, since you are posting rubbish.

[Sledge]

It must be very upsetting for the people with paranormal powers to realise that they're incapable of doing anything that the rest of us can't achieve given a little research into stage magic.

[Trent Wray]

The paranormal spirits and the effects caused by them, can either be revealed or hidden at will.

People think products of technology are solely computers and loads of other electronic gadgets.Where as the ''spirits themslves'' are living technology surpassing man's scientific toys.(sadly some spirits have influenced man to make toys in the form of nuclear weapons).Can you describe what you saw when you dealt with the first paranormal being?

I'm assuming you're not describing Optimus Prime when you mention living technology, but perhaps you're equating the idea behind Ezekiel's wheel and the like?

[Little 10 Toes]

The fantasy of ALL Skeptics is to witness the paranormal..... how wooish is that? I thought it was two chicks at the same time. (Apologies to those offended).

I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called man's scientific knowledge. I know ''it'' from first hand experiences.

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about? Well, how about you prove paranormal beings exist first.

The paranormal spirits and the effects caused by them, can either be revealed or hidden at will.

People think products of technology are solely computers and loads of other electronic gadgets.Where as the ''spirits themslves'' are living technology surpassing man's scientific toys.(sadly some spirits have influenced man to make toys in the form of nuclear weapons).
Proof of anything you say.

A loom is technology. It does not have computers or electronic gadgets. Ditto for steam engines.

So far, you're filling the mold of the standard troll; lots of talk, no proof.

[Mojo]

The paranormal is not science fiction.


No, it's fantasy.

You completely missed it.

Scientists believe they could find out the ''method or mechanics'' of the paranormal power to replicate it. When someone reveals their paranormal power to scientists in my lifetime,the scientists will not be able to replicate it in the Lab. The scientists will only be an audience observers to the paranormal power.

Their studies to mimic the power will fail.


The problem is not that scientists cannot reproduce "paranormal" abilities, it is that the people who claim to have these abilities cannot reproduce them.

[likelystory]

Can you describe what you saw when you dealt with the first paranormal being?

I'm assuming you're not describing Optimus Prime when you mention living technology, but perhaps you're equating the idea behind Ezekiel's wheel and the like?

The spirits themselves are ''themselves the technology''... You Trent Wray are yourself '' human technology''. Meaning your whole body both mental and physical is ''living techonolgy''....

The spirits are themselves higher and greater ''living technology'', because of this,their abilities allow them to be invisible and appear out of thin air,and they can go through solid materials without damaging the solid materials such as brick walls...

[likelystory]

I thought it was two chicks at the same time. (Apologies to those offended).

Well, how about you prove paranormal beings exist first.


Proof of anything you say.

A loom is technology. It does not have computers or electronic gadgets. Ditto for steam engines.

So far, you're filling the mold of the standard troll; lots of talk, no proof.

And some people use the term TROLL in an offensive manner when they feel threatened by their own inability to comprehend the paranormal's superior capabilties.

Your TROLL GOAD is very immature!

[lionking]

And some people use the term TROLL in an offensive manner when they feel threatened by their own inability to comprehend the paranormal's superior capabilties.

Your TROLL GOAD is very immature!
Any chance of evidence of your claims?

[Pixel42]

I know what I wrote is correct,it's you who can't be covinced because of your attitude.
I know what you wrote is incorrect, it's you who can't be convinced because of your attitude.

You prevent yourself (though it's paranormal influences preventing you) from assuming TRUTH can be absolute.
You prevent yourself (it's wishful thinking preventing you) from assuming you might be mistaken in your interpretation of your experiences.

So you can't be convinced ever about ''anything''. Therefore you haven't even began to search for the truth, You're still at the starting point,facing the other way.
So you can't be convinced ever about ''anything" (other that what you want to believe, regardless of the evidence). Therefore you haven't even began to search for the truth, You're still at the starting point, facing the other way

I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called man's scientific knowledge. I know ''it'' from first hand experiences.

I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called first hand experiences (which I have also had). I know ''it'' from careful scientific investigation of such first hand experiences

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?
Are you disgruntled because us nasty skeptics are suggesting that you're not as special as you think you are and would like to be? Is this what it's really about?

[likelystory]

Any chance of evidence of your claims?

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.

This forum is a discussion board. If I had the scientific evidence readily at hand,then I could or may not reveal it to scientists.

[Mojo]

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.


You have been providing "unsupported assertions".

[tesscaline]

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.These are not evidence. They are anecdotes. There is a vast difference between the two.

[likelystory]

I know what you wrote is incorrect, it's you who can't be convinced because of your attitude.


You prevent yourself (it's wishful thinking preventing you) from assuming you might be mistaken in your interpretation of your experiences.


So you can't be convinced ever about ''anything" (other that what you want to believe, regardless of the evidence). Therefore you haven't even began to search for the truth, You're still at the starting point, facing the other way



I don't know ''it'' from what's commonly called first hand experiences (which I have also had). I know ''it'' from careful scientific investigation of such first hand experiences


Are you disgruntled because us nasty skeptics are suggesting that you're not as special as you think you are and would like to be? Is this what it's really about?

That was an almost purrfect clone copy cat. :th: :parrot:

[not daSkeptic]

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.

How do we know said experiences really occurred? Even if they did, how do we know you are recalling them as they actually happened?

[likelystory]

How do we know said experiences really occurred? Even if they did, how do we know you are recalling them as they actually happened?

Have a real think what you have said,and apply it to everyday activity.

[HumanityBlues]

Here's what I don't understand likely. You've come on to a skeptics forum of all places, telling us all about the paranormal, yet the only announcement you've made is that you have some sort of ability that you can't tell us about because of some unknown politician. In essence, all you are saying is "I think I have paranormal abilities".

Well I don't think you do. But if you're so confident, I will wager a bet with you that I can replicate anything that you say you can do (once you actually do it), if you want to put your money where your troll mouth is.

[Brian-M]

IAre you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?


Nope. We're just annoyed at people making absurd claims of having fantastic powers and refusing to admit they're wrong.

If paranormal abilities were shown to exist, scientists would start researching them to try and find the mechanism by which they work. But even if they couldn't find any mechanism, they could still use the scientific method to help identify people who may have powers but don't yet realize they have them, and help train them to use their powers to maximum effect.

They would also be looking for a genetic cause for these powers, to find a way to give these powers to their own descendants, or maybe even find a way to unlock these powers in regular people.

So even if scientists never find a mechanism behind paranormal abilities, that wouldn't keep them out of the game. That is, assuming that these abilities and powers actually exist. As far as we can tell, they don't.

BTW... How do you know that these powers will be demonstrated to exist in your lifetime and that scientists will never be able to replicate them. Are you using some kind of precognition to determine this? :rolleyes:

[Brian-M]

Have a real think what you have said,and apply it to everyday activity.


What's wrong with what he said? Human memory is notoriously unreliable.

[likelystory]

What's wrong with what he said? Human memory is notoriously unreliable.

I was not implying he was wrong.Though if he was to apply what he asked me to everyday activities, then he would uderstand that our minds can and do record the things we do with great accuracy.

Our minds are great libraries.

[likelystory]

Magicians use the tool of distraction. I don't come across many magicians when doing daily activities.So most times my mind isn't being interrupted.

So what would be the statistics for me witnessing the paranormal at the same time a ''distraction'' is being set to decieve me?... Who's sounding like CT's now?.

[Sean84]

Magicians use the tool of distraction. I don't come across many magicians when doing daily activities.So most times my mind isn't being interrupted.

So what would be the statistics for me witnessing the paranormal at the same time a ''distraction'' is being set to decieve me?... Who's sounding like CT's now?.

I know that anonymous politicians (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5777529&postcount=15) want to keep it a secret and all... But, I'd still like to hear about those
"future legal binding purposes" (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=5769403&postcount=145) that keep you from specifically revealing what paranormal stuff you're talking about.

Um... What did you say about CT nuts?

[Garrette]

Are you disgruntled because us nasty skeptics are suggesting that you're not as special as you think you are and would like to be? Is this what it's really about?Got it in one.

Likelystory claims to have had an experience denied to the rest of us.

Likelystory claims that the experience is necessary for the belief it engenders.

Likelystory derides us for not having been chosen to have that experience.


Likelystory is a schoolyard bully, but not the one who actually beats people up, the one who tells his few friends

"I would beat up the weightlifter, but you guys aren't special enough to watch me do it, plus I'm smarter than you."

There is nothing to be admired, copied, fancied, or encouraged here.

[HumanityBlues]

I know if I had paranormal powers I'd have better things to do than go on a skeptic's discussion forum and tell people of my powers, but not what they are, and then make up some bogus claim about anonymous politicians.

[Hokulele]

Likelystory, what are your thoughts on astrology?

[Pixel42]

So what would be the statistics for me witnessing the paranormal at the same time a ''distraction'' is being set to decieve me?
There is a very low probability of that, but there is a very high probability that your own inbuilt cognitive biases could cause you to misinterpret what you're experiencing.

Dowsers, tarot card readers, psychics, astrologers ... no-one is setting a distraction for them, yet they still end up believing they have paranormal abilities they do not, in fact, have.

[Richie Rich]

Likelystory do your paranormal being friends accept a bit of folding money - tangible or otherwise? If so can I please order immortality, indestructibility and x-ray vision? As their higher beings, I'm sure they'll know where to find me and juice me up! :)

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I was not implying he was wrong.Though if he was to apply what he asked me to everyday activities, then he would uderstand that our minds can and do record the things we do with great accuracy.

Our minds are great libraries.

Great libaries that are highly influenced by our personal preferences, experiences and imagination, see here (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/memory/
) for example (and its references).

I'm sorry likely, but if anyone else came to you claiming to have found untold amounts of gold, but he can't show you because of secrecy and noone else can ever see it unless they believe he has it. Would you lend that person money because he'd pay you back from his gold reserves?

Because so far all you've proven is that you believe you have these abilities. You claim others have seen them, but who are these others? And if you do not wish to reproduce your abilities for sceptics to convince them, why bother to post here in the first place?
"Believe me because I say so" is not really going to make a big impact on these boards.

[likelystory]

Got it in one.

Likelystory claims to have had an experience denied to the rest of us.

Likelystory claims that the experience is necessary for the belief it engenders.

Likelystory derides us for not having been chosen to have that experience.


Likelystory is a schoolyard bully, but not the one who actually beats people up, the one who tells his few friends

"I would beat up the weightlifter, but you guys aren't special enough to watch me do it, plus I'm smarter than you."

There is nothing to be admired, copied, fancied, or encouraged here.

In your mind you think you're correct,and that's what matters to you.

When you have experiences with the paranormal then please tell all,especially tell your Boss,your parents, your many friends, the local cops, the checkout chicks,the football teams, your aunts and uncles,and your neighbors.... Yeah tell everyone you meet and see the reception you get from all those Bully Free People......

WOW you are so ''with it'', you can be nothing else other than creme de la creme

[HumanityBlues]

Likely, your problem is you are posting under the false pretext that you are somehow special. I don't know if you're aware of this, but thousands upon thousands of other people before you have claimed supernatural or "paranormal" powers, but not one of them can prove it. You are not special. You're just another person claiming special abilities to a group of people who have no reason to believe you---and where you have given us no reason to find you credible.

Again, I urge you take my challenge. If you have a special ability, I'm offering a challenge to you that I can replicate anything you can. So again, what is this special power you are claiming?

[likelystory]

Could having something to do with B.H.O. Hawaiian Sling?

[lionking]

Could having something to do with B.H.O. Hawaiian Sling?
When are you going to start speaking English?

[HumanityBlues]

Could having something to do with B.H.O. Hawaiian Sling?

Some form of spear fishing?

Seriously, what is your paranormal claim?

[Andrew Wiggin]

Can't be experienced by all...

Doesn't have a recipe...

Can't be taught...

Can't be replicated...

Has no pupils...


How many more characteristics of 'stuff that doesn't exist' do you want to add to the list? As some folks I know say, "walks like a duck, talks like a duck, must be a duck"

A

[likelystory]

When are you going to start speaking English?

Do Hawaiian's speak English? Maybe some speak African?

[Hokulele]

Do Hawaiian's speak English? Maybe some speak African?


A'ole.

[Mashuna]

A'ole.

There's no need for that kind of language!

[likelystory]

A'ole.

Do Kenyans speak Hawaiian or are they only born there?

[Hokulele]

There's no need for that kind of language!


Says the person who stole all our consonants!

[Hokulele]

Do Kenyans speak Hawaiian or are they only born there?


Conspiracy theories, thataway. --------->

[Brian-M]

Do Hawaiian's speak English? Maybe some speak African?
Do Kenyans speak Hawaiian or are they only born there?


I think the Hawaiians have a special greeting for people like you. Aloha lolo haole. Akahele hu hu `aumakua.

(I don't know if I pieced the words together correctly, but I got them from here (http://www.alohafriends.com/words.html).)

ETA: Maybe he's thinking of Haitian but that still doesn't make much sense.

[Hokulele]

I think the Hawaiians have a special greeting for people like you. Aloha lolo haole. Akahele hu hu `aumakua.

(I don't know if I pieced the words together correctly, but I got them from here (http://www.alohafriends.com/words.html).)




Well, they are all words...



Sorry for being a brat. You did well, but the grammar and word order is a bit different than in English. ;)

ETA: Maybe he's thinking of Haitian but that still doesn't make much sense.


Nah, likelystory is referring to the "Birther" conspiracy theory that President Obama (B.H.O., from a previous post) was born in Kenya, not Hawai'i. What exactly that has to do with anything paranormal is anyone's guess.

[likelystory]

Well, they are all words...



Sorry for being a brat. You did well, but the grammar and word order is a bit different than in English. ;)




Nah, likelystory is referring to the "Birther" conspiracy theory that President Obama (B.H.O., from a previous post) was born in Kenya, not Hawai'i. What exactly that has to do with anything paranormal is anyone's guess.

I made mention on another thread about a politician who's name I was with holding relating to something big. And I still have not disclosed the hidden matter or officially disclosed a name(s).

The name(s) is,are involved in the paranormal.

[Mirrorglass]

The suspense is killing me.

[Elizabeth I]

Are you Skeptics (who ever you are), disgruntled with the paranormal beings for side stepping scientific proceedure? Is this what it's really about?

Riiight...and all atheists are just people who are angry at God.:rolleyes:


When you have experiences with the paranormal then please tell all,especially tell your Boss,your parents, your many friends, the local cops, the checkout chicks,the football teams, your aunts and uncles,and your neighbors.... Yeah tell everyone you meet and see the reception you get from all those Bully Free People......

Except that you are posting anonymously on a world-wide medium where it is extremely unlikely that anyone at all would be able to find out who and where you are, much less pass on what you say to "your Boss,your parents, your many friends, the local cops, the checkout chicks,the football teams, your aunts and uncles,and your neighbors...all those Bully Free People."

[Garrette]

In your mind you think you're correct,and that's what matters to you.The evidence demonstrates I am correct and that you are a master smoke-blower.


When you have experiences with the paranormal then please tell allHad 'em. Lots. Long ago. Believed 'em. Studied 'em.


,especially tell your Boss,your parents, your many friends, the local cops, the checkout chicks,the football teams, your aunts and uncles,and your neighbors....Didn't tell all those people, but lots and lots. Most were receptive and believed along with me.


Yeah tell everyone you meetThere's one of your problems. Tell "everyone you meet" anything and you'll get looked at askance, at a minimum. Social norms are not absolutes, but there is a reason they are the norms.


and see the reception you get from all those Bully Free People......I did, but don't put words in my mouth. I claimed nothing about others being bully free.


WOW you are so ''with it'', you can be nothing else other than creme de la cremeRubbish, nonsense, and indecipherable without a specified antecedent.


But I'm done giving you your desired yet undeserved attention.

Bye, likelystory. Your stories are neither likely nor true.

[Twiler]

I will now use my paranormal powers to replace likelystory's posts with shallow gibberish.

Hey look, it worked!

[Pure Argent]

I will now use my paranormal powers to replace likelystory's posts with shallow gibberish.

Hey look, it worked!

Evidence?

[paximperium]

Evidence?
Just read the thread. Twiler's power is truly amazing.

[Pure Argent]

Just read the thread. Twiler's power is truly amazing.

By Jove, he's done it! Give that man the million dollars!

[Steve001]

Suppose there are people who are chosen to be paranormal in nature, and those who aren't. Suppose there is a distinct difference between the two ... almost like a different species. Suppose the paranormal species has powers, a god, a spirit ... and the non-paranormal species has no spirit, is not under god, etc.

Why would it be this way? What does it ultimately mean? A conspiracy theory apocalyptic war between the Chosen and the non-Chosen? This seems to be a popular concept .... that the non-Chosen will seek and destroy the Chosen or something. But why? If they are never able to prove the woo ... or have access to the power ... what incentive would the non-Chosen have to destroy the Chosen?

Likewise, if the Chosen start the apocolyptic scenario ... why would they do it? They have powers and god and a spirit. What do the non-Chosen have that is such a threat to them?

I still don't get it.

One to many suppositions.

[likelystory]

Bye, likelystory. Your stories are neither likely nor true.

another ******** blurb

[paximperium]

another ******** blurb
Wow. Twiler's powers are still working.

[likelystory]

Riiight...and all atheists are just people who are angry at God

I deleted the post to stop non stop religious debate.

[paximperium]

And you are one of them.
So you have no idea what atheism is either. Bravo.

[dafydd]

I made mention on another thread about a politician who's name I was with holding relating to something big. And I still have not disclosed the hidden matter or officially disclosed a name(s).

The name(s) is,are involved in the paranormal.

Yea,right.Yawn.....

[Jack by the hedge]

Our minds are great libraries.

Some libraries have an extensive Fiction section.

[Ladewig]

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.

This forum is a discussion board. If I had the scientific evidence readily at hand,then I could or may not reveal it to scientists.

I thought that we might get somewhere with you, but this post puts the last nail in the coffin. I've been here long enough to see over a dozen people like you come and go. "I'm special. I have amazing powers." When we ask to see them we get "I'll decide if I want to reveal them."

As they say in the vernacular, Put up or shut up. There is one million dollars waiting for you and yet you spend your time pretending to be mysterious in a pissant thread that isn't even in the Million Dollar Challenge sub-forum. Put up or shut up.

[Jocce]

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.

Ok, so basically you want us to take your word for it? Can you understand that it would possibly require a bit more to get tgaken seriously?

[Jocce]

Magicians use the tool of distraction.

If you're talking about magicians in the sense of artists (not "real" magic users) you are very incorrect in this claim. They (we) do the opposite of distract.

[dio]

I find it intriguing that with all these awesome paranormals we still have lotteries and casinos.

[likelystory]

Ok, so basically you want us to take your word for it? Can you understand that it would possibly require a bit more to get tgaken seriously?

And if the Scientists say they can't prove it's paranormal though something is there,then what?

Do you then call the Scientists TROLLS for failing to do the job of giving it a scientific catergory? Of course you don't because your admiration for the Scientists is unconditional. How ironic would that be to go to the smarties to have them say WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

[Jack by the hedge]

And if the Scientists say they can't prove it's paranormal though something is there,then what?

You have no clue how the MDC works.

Why don't you just cut to the chase, and tell us what magical revellation leads you to think you know Obama was born in Kenya? Then we can all spend a few seconds getting over the sense of anticlimax, and go read a more interesting thread?

Thanks in anticipation.

[likelystory]

You have no clue how the MDC works.

Why don't you just cut to the chase, and tell us what magical revellation leads you to think you know Obama was born in Kenya? Then we can all spend a few seconds getting over the sense of anticlimax, and go read a more interesting thread?

Thanks in anticipation.

This is a skeptic forum,please remember that.

I'm not talking about the MDC, I'm talking about independent Scientists who have a reputation to protect,And protect it they will with all vigor and cunning.Scientists are much more frightened of being wrong than you JREF Skeptics will ever be.As you have noticed they isn't one Scientists who comes on this forum to have meaniful discussions about the paranormal.

Yeah,what a circus this joint is,with many clowns vying to be Ringmaster.

Only a couple of skeptics here are the exception.

[Mojo]

Of course you don't because your admiration for the Scientists is unconditional.


Yes, what have the scientists ever done for us?

[paximperium]

And if the Scientists say they can't prove it's paranormal though something is there,then what?Then it's unexplained. You don't get to make crap up.

How ironic would that be to go to the smarties to have them say WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.Intellectual honesty and actual scientific inquiry would be ironic you wounldn't it?

Of course "scientists" have accomplished much.
Fantasy prone personality nutjobs have accomplished nothing of worth.

[dio]

As you have noticed they isn't one Scientists who comes on this forum to have meaniful discussions about the paranormal.

With better grammar, this would be sig material. The way it is, no.

[Safe-Keeper]

And if the Scientists say they can't prove it's paranormal though something is there,then what?I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here.

Do you then call the Scientists TROLLS for failing to do the job of giving it a scientific catergory? Of course you don't because your admiration for the Scientists is unconditional. How ironic would that be to go to the smarties to have them say WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.But "the smarties" do say "we don't know", all the time. It's their job. We're not talking high priests reciting from a holy book, we're talking people who make a living out of tearing down traditional views and making new discoveries. Saying that scientists are afraid of theories being overturned is as ridiculous as saying that downhill skiers are afraid of breaking speed records. Contrary to popular belief, science isn't an organized religion where some Pope decides that X is truth and Y is heresy, and then issues a bull bestowing upon all his followers to accept this new truth, or risk excommunication.

As I usually say, it's not that we insist there's no proof because we're talking about the paranormal. It's that we call it the paranormal because there's no proof.

[likelystory]

Then it's unexplained. You don't get to make crap up.

Intellectual honesty and actual scientific inquiry would be ironic you wounldn't it?

Of course "scientists" have accomplished much.
Fantasy prone personality nutjobs have accomplished nothing of worth.

Carl Sagan was a pot smoking Scientist,maybe a LSD man to.Did it affect his Scientific views?

[Jack by the hedge]

As you have noticed they isn't one Scientists who comes on this forum to have meaniful discussions about the paranormal.

I don't know how many people who come on here are scientists. Do you?

Then again, the only meaningful discussions about the paranormal are the one that goes: A: "It doesn't exist." B: "No, you're right, it doesn't exist." or the one that starts: "Isn't it curious that so many people like to believe in stuff that doesn't exist?"

[paximperium]

Carl Sagan was a pot smoking Scientist,maybe a LSD man to.Did it affect his Scientific views?
Sure. Chemicals do interesting things to biochemical and neuronal processes. Why? Did you have a single point?

[Jack by the hedge]

Carl Sagan was a pot smoking Scientist,maybe a LSD man to.Did it affect his Scientific views?

I don't know. What do you think?

PS Where do you think Barack Obama was born?

[Little 10 Toes]

The spirits themselves are ''themselves the technology''... You Trent Wray are yourself '' human technology''. Meaning your whole body both mental and physical is ''living techonolgy''....

The spirits are themselves higher and greater ''living technology'', because of this,their abilities allow them to be invisible and appear out of thin air,and they can go through solid materials without damaging the solid materials such as brick walls...

Ah, interesting story. If, and that is a big if, "they" (changed from "paranormal beings" and now "spirits", both of which you haven't shown proof that they exist) are invisible, how do you know they exist? If "they" have an ability to be visible, how come no one has a photograph of them. If they can be seen by the human eye, they can be photographed.

And some people use the term TROLL in an offensive manner when they feel threatened by their own inability to comprehend the paranormal's superior capabilties.

Your TROLL GOAD is very immature!

I notice you got ants in your pants about the troll description, but never answered the "Got Proof?" question. Any reason why?

You have no proof that I am using it in an offensive manner. Your current activity of posting "guess what I may or may not have or what I may or may not produce" messages helps you fit the definition of a Troll_(Internet). You haven't proved any of "the paranormal's superior capabilities". You haven't provided proof of anything.

How do we know said experiences really occurred? Even if they did, how do we know you are recalling them as they actually happened?

Have a real think what you have said,and apply it to everyday activity. Ok. Eventhough I was there, I can't remember what I cooked for dinner five nights ago. Eventhough I put the laundry in the washer and the dryer, I cannot remember each item in the laundry. The proof that I cooked the dinner is that I have dirty dishes in the sink, and the proof that I washed the clothes is that I have clean clothes.

I have been providing ''witnessing evidence'' and ''experience evidence''.

This forum is a discussion board. If I had the scientific evidence readily at hand,then I could or may not reveal it to scientists.

So you don't have scientific evidence readily at hand.

Here's what's been happening. You make claims, we ask for proof, you get mad at us. We point out to you that you have no proof, you say you have proof by your experience and make more claims. We ask for proof and you bring in your "mysterious politician" and your "mysterious lawsuit". We ask for proof.

That's all we want. Proof.

This is a skeptic forum,please remember that.

I'm not talking about the MDC, I'm talking about independent Scientists who have a reputation to protect,And protect it they will with all vigor and cunning.Scientists are much more frightened of being wrong than you JREF Skeptics will ever be.As you have noticed they isn't one Scientists who comes on this forum to have meaniful discussions about the paranormal.

Yeah,what a circus this joint is,with many clowns vying to be Ringmaster.

Only a couple of skeptics here are the exception.

That's correct. This is a skeptic forum. Skeptics want proof of claims. You have not provided any proof. Scientists provide proof of their experiments so that others can do the same experiements and get the same results. If the results don't match, then things get called into questions. Science can correct itself. Also, you haven't asked what types of scientist that are here. We have a pretty good collection of them.

Bottom line: Claims need proof. You make claims, be prepared to back it up with proof.

[likelystory]

I don't know. What do you think?

PS Where do you think Barack Obama was born?

I never offically mentioned that politician's name.Though I do recall writing B.H.O Hawaiian Sling......

I think Carl Sagan believed in God's existence but was a bit too scared of being considered a failure by his peers.

[paximperium]

I think Carl Sagan believed in God's existence but was a bit too scared of being considered a failure by his peers.
I'm sorry, it's no longer April Fool's Day. Your made up stories are not very funny.

[likelystory]

Sure. Chemicals do interesting things to biochemical and neuronal processes. Why? Did you have a single point?

You have Carl Sagan as your first signature. That's all.

[Little 10 Toes]

I never offically mentioned that politician's name.Though I do recall writing B.H.O Hawaiian Sling......

I think Carl Sagan believed in God's existence but was a bit too scared of being considered a failure by his peers.

Sure don't we all have that feeling at our home as parents or at our jobs as workers?

Speaking of Sagan, he said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

[likelystory]

Ah, interesting story. If, and that is a big if, "they" (changed from "paranormal beings" and now "spirits", both of which you haven't shown proof that they exist) are invisible, how do you know they exist? If "they" have an ability to be visible, how come no one has a photograph of them. If they can be seen by the human eye, they can be photographed.



I notice you got ants in your pants about the troll description, but never answered the "Got Proof?" question. Any reason why?

You have no proof that I am using it in an offensive manner. Your current activity of posting "guess what I may or may not have or what I may or may not produce" messages helps you fit the definition of a Troll_(Internet). You haven't proved any of "the paranormal's superior capabilities". You haven't provided proof of anything.



Ok. Eventhough I was there, I can't remember what I cooked for dinner five nights ago. Eventhough I put the laundry in the washer and the dryer, I cannot remember each item in the laundry. The proof that I cooked the dinner is that I have dirty dishes in the sink, and the proof that I washed the clothes is that I have clean clothes.



So you don't have scientific evidence readily at hand.

Here's what's been happening. You make claims, we ask for proof, you get mad at us. We point out to you that you have no proof, you say you have proof by your experience and make more claims. We ask for proof and you bring in your "mysterious politician" and your "mysterious lawsuit". We ask for proof.

That's all we want. Proof.



That's correct. This is a skeptic forum. Skeptics want proof of claims. You have not provided any proof. Scientists provide proof of their experiments so that others can do the same experiements and get the same results. If the results don't match, then things get called into questions. Science can correct itself. Also, you haven't asked what types of scientist that are here. We have a pretty good collection of them.

Bottom line: Claims need proof. You make claims, be prepared to back it up with proof.

Is visual sighting considered proof...... Like planet Mars on film is considered proof,because it can be viewed over and over again.But when Mars was viewed for the very first time was that considered proof? or did that proof require ''proof checking'' by re-watching the video over and over again?

So if I see a man only once without a video recording of it,do I say things to my mind such as ''did I see that man? was it a man? am I tripping out like Carl Sagan? and so on.....

So if I witness a ghost without a video recorder, do I say it never happened because a bunch of internet interlectuals say they want ghost on camera?


Skeptics paint the picture of a video camera never lies, But people who witness paranormal entities must be lying because there's no such thing as ghost because ''lack of evidence'' proves no ghosts.....

[likelystory]

Speaking of Sagan, he said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Was that after his first or second reefer?

[paximperium]

Was that after his first or second reefer?
Why?
So you have no idea how marijuana works either? Add one more to the list of things you are ignorant about. Sad.

[Little 10 Toes]

Was that after his first or second reefer?
Should it matter?

EDIT: some one beat me to it.
P.S.: Haven't forgotten your previous post.

Edit #2: From Carl_Sagan: " Sagan is also widely regarded as a freethinker or skeptic; one of his most famous quotations, in Cosmos, was, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-40) This was based on a nearly identical statement by fellow founder of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Scientific_Investigation_of_Clai ms_of_the_Paranormal) founder Marcello Truzzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Truzzi), "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-41) This idea originated with Pierre-Simon Laplace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace) (1749-1827), a French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) mathematician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematician) and astronomer who said, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-42)".

[paximperium]

Is visual sighting considered proof...... Like planet Mars on film is considered proof,because it can be viewed over and over again.But when Mars was viewed for the very first time was that considered proof? or did that proof require ''proof checking'' by re-watching the video over and over again? Yes. When Mars was viewed for the first time, OTHER people can ALSO look at it.

So if I see a man only once without a video recording of it,do I say things to my mind such as ''did I see that man? was it a man? am I tripping out like Carl Sagan? and so on..... Ah silly paranormalist. Playing the false equivocation game again? Seeing a man is a normal and well established phenomena. Seeing fantasy is not.

So if I witness a ghost without a video recorder, do I say it never happened because a bunch of internet interlectuals say they want ghost on camera? Yes. You may have seen something but judging from your ignorance and baseline nuttery, I'd say you probably scared yourself due to your lack of any intelligent insight.

Skeptics paint the picture of a video camera never lies, But people who witness paranormal entities must be lying because there's no such thing as ghost because ''lack of evidence'' proves no ghosts.....Not lying. Many are mistaken. Some are just plain stupid, ignorant and pretty much deluded. But not lying per say.

[likelystory]

Why?
So you have no idea how marijuana works either? Add one more to the list of things you are ignorant about. Sad.

So how does hooch work? I wonder if you are still on it.

[Minarvia]

Likelystory, Trentwray politely asked you a genuine question on post #95. Please start there. Then maybe we can have a productive conversation with you. Give it a chance, it could be very interesting.

[paximperium]

So how does hooch work? I wonder if you are still on it.
Hooch as in alcohol works as a neuronal inhibitor by binding to specific GABA receptors leading to inhibition of function, primary at the frontal cortex followed by the cerebellar function and then other parts of the brain.
Why? Still proudly ignorant and pointless huh?

[Little 10 Toes]

Is visual sighting considered proof...... Like planet Mars on film is considered proof,because it can be viewed over and over again.But when Mars was viewed for the very first time was that considered proof? or did that proof require ''proof checking'' by re-watching the video over and over again?Well, Mars has been in the sky for over 3000 years, and it's location is predictible. I can tell you where Mars will be in the sky next week, or next year.

So if I see a man only once without a video recording of it,do I say things to my mind such as ''did I see that man? was it a man? am I tripping out like Carl Sagan? and so on..... Stop right there. You are taking your experience and telling me what you saw. If you are making an extraordinary claim, then you need extraordinary evidence. If you say, "I just saw a cat", I could believe you at your word. If you say you saw Bigfoot, I would ask for proof. So far in ANY of your extraordinary claims, you have not shown any extraordinary evidence.

So if I witness a ghost without a video recorder, do I say it never happened because a bunch of internet interlectuals say they want ghost on camera?No, you can say it happened but remember, it's an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence.


Skeptics paint the picture of a video camera never lies, But people who witness paranormal entities must be lying because there's no such thing as ghost because ''lack of evidence'' proves no ghosts..... I see we are using the black and white train of thought. If it didn't happen then they must be lying. A person claims a ghost moved a saltshaker. The skeptic asks for proof a ghost moved it. Believer can't provide proof. It doesn't mean that the saltshaker never moved.

But enough about others, let's see your proof.

[likelystory]

Hooch as in alcohol works as a neuronal inhibitor by binding to specific GABA receptors leading to inhibition of function, primary at the frontal cortex followed by the cerebellar function and then other parts of the brain.
Why? Still proudly ignorant and pointless huh?

Are you a cannabis user? Yes or No.

Have you ever been a cannabis user in the past?

[Safe-Keeper]

Speaking of Sagan, he said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Was that after his first or second reefer? If you're trying to convey that pot smokers can contribute great ideas, you're doing a decent job. If you're attempting to say that everything Carl Sagan said is wrong because he smoked pot, you're not making sense.

[paximperium]

Are you a cannabis user? Yes or No.
Still no point? Don't bother to answer; it was a statement, not a question.

[Mirrorglass]

If you're trying to convey that pot smokers can contribute great ideas, you're doing a decent job. If you're attempting to say that everything Carl Sagan said is wrong because he smoked pot, you're not making sense.

It's nothing that elegant. He just realized he can't hold his own in an intelligent discussion, and is trying to find something about pax to insult so he can still feel better about himself.

[Little 10 Toes]

Likeystory: Carl Sagan's quote was based off of two other quotes:
Sagan is also widely regarded as a freethinker or skeptic; one of his most famous quotations, in Cosmos, was, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-40) This was based on a nearly identical statement by fellow founder of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Scientific_Investigation_of_Clai ms_of_the_Paranormal) founder Marcello Truzzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Truzzi), "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-41) This idea originated with Pierre-Simon Laplace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace) (1749-1827), a French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) mathematician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematician) and astronomer who said, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-42)
From Carl_Sagan

[paximperium]

It's nothing that elegant. He just realized he can't hold his own in an intelligent discussion, and is trying to find something about pax to insult so he can still feel better about himself.
Wit is something our little paranormalist is sorely lacking.

[likelystory]

Carl Sagan may have witnessed the paranormal while indulging in large quantities of Mary Jane.

The paranormal like to prey on people,being drunk or high does not deter the paranormal from coming to certain people, whether brainiacs like Carl Sagan or the average person in your neighborhood.

[paximperium]

Carl Sagan may have witnessed the paranormal while indulging in large quantities of Mary Jane. I'd say more likely NOT.

The paranormal like to prey on people,being drunk or high does not deter the paranormal from coming to certain people, whether brainiacs like Carl Sagan or the average person in your neighborhood.So being brain altered and having neurosensory modified and altered by chemicals is what you equate with "paranormal"?

Sorry, we already have words for them. Hallucinations, illusions and delusions are well established facts.

[Little 10 Toes]

Post deleted.

[likelystory]

If you're trying to convey that pot smokers can contribute great ideas, you're doing a decent job. If you're attempting to say that everything Carl Sagan said is wrong because he smoked pot, you're not making sense.

What I'm stating is paranormal and normal (science) are intertwined in our lives. The paranormal affects society everyday.They the paranormal and the scientific are not isolated from one another. More will be revealed of the paranormal as time progresses.

The paranormal can't hide themselves forever,there is to be an awakening

Nuff said.

[paximperium]

What I'm stating is paranormal and normal (science) are intertwined in our lives. The paranormal affects society everyday.They the paranormal and the scientific are not isolated from one another. More will be revealed of the paranormal as time progresses. No.

The paranormal can't hide themselves forever,there is to be an awakening It's not hiding. We are already studying it as fraud, psychological dissonance, mental illness and delusions even as you claim gibberish.

[Little 10 Toes]

Carl Sagan may have witnessed the paranormal while indulging in large quantities of Mary Jane. Proof?


The paranormal like to prey on people,being drunk or high does not deter the paranormal from coming to certain people, whether brainiacs like Carl Sagan or the average person in your neighborhood.

So the invisible "paranormal beings" like "to prey on people" and give them the power "for miracles or mind reading (not cold reading) or paranormal curses of diseases and death and driving people insane"?

Proof?

[Mirrorglass]

What I'm stating is paranormal and normal (science) are intertwined in our lives. The paranormal affects society everyday.They the paranormal and the scientific are not isolated from one another. More will be revealed of the paranormal as time progresses.

The paranormal can't hide themselves forever,there is to be an awakening

Nuff said.

If the paranormal is about to be discovered, why are you wasting your time here, talking about it but refusing to provide evidence? Why not just wait for the evidence to come out and then rub it in our faces? I'm sure we'll all be mighty embarrassed when you do. But until then, you're just another kook.

[Jack by the hedge]

I think Carl Sagan believed in God's existence

Why?

[phunk]

Scientists are much more frightened of being wrong than you JREF Skeptics will ever be.

You have no idea how science works. Confirming what we already know is fairly boring. Scientists LOVE to find out that what we know is wrong. That's the sort of thing that makes someone famous. It's the sort of thing that wins the Nobel prize.

[likelystory]

You have no idea how science works. Confirming what we already know is fairly boring. Scientists LOVE to find out that what we know is wrong. That's the sort of thing that makes someone famous. It's the sort of thing that wins the Nobel prize.

Obama won the Nobel PEACE prize before even doing anything.I don't recall Ghandi sending many more troops to war zones after saying he Obama would call them back HOME,though Ghandi did sleep naked next to his 13 year old neice to see if he could resist temptations of the family flesh....

Ok, now why would Carl Sagan want to smoke heaps of pot? Was Carl using the Mull to search the inner depths of his mind? or more likely he had witnessed some form of the paranormal and was trying ease his mind from breaking down.

Why would a rational critical thinker fall into the trap of substance abuse? I really think Carl had seen some things that science couldn't explain. Maybe he used pot to try and get in contact with God?

Repeating myself again.... why would a smart man be a long term user of marijuana?

[Sledge]

Can you offer any reason whatsoever that I should accept anything you say, likelystory? You make vague claims of "the paranormal," but can't explain what you mean by that, only that we're all scared of it. What is it you think is so scary?

[paximperium]

Obama won the Nobel PEACE prize before even doing anything.I don't recall Ghandi send troops to war zones,though he did sleep naked next to his neice to see if he could resist temptations of incest.... So you have no idea how the Nobel Prizes are awareded either. The science prize is judged by a completely panel. Do you know anything at all?

Ok, now why would Carl Sagan want to smoke heaps of pot? Was Carl using the Mull to search the inner depths of his mind? You really have no idea how marijuana works at all do you? Wow.

or more likely he had witnessed some form of the paranormal and was trying ease his mind from breaking down.I'd say not.

Why would a rational critical thinker fall into the trap of substance abuse? Recreational use of marijuana is "substance abuse"? You really have no idea what you're talking about at all.
I really think Carl had seen some things that science couldn't explain. I disagree. You don't seem to do any thinking at all.
Maybe he used pot to try and get in contact with God? Or maybe you're making crap up as usual.
Repeating myself again.... why would a smart man be a long term user of marijuana?
Because it made him feel mellow. Why? Still no point eh?

[phunk]

Obama won the Nobel PEACE prize before even doing anything.I don't recall Ghandi sending many more troops to war zones after saying he Obama would call them back HOME,though Ghandi did sleep naked next to his 13 year old neice to see if he could resist temptations of the family flesh....

Ok, now why would Carl Sagan want to smoke heaps of pot? Was Carl using the Mull to search the inner depths of his mind? or more likely he had witnessed some form of the paranormal and was trying ease his mind from breaking down.

Why would a rational critical thinker fall into the trap of substance abuse? I really think Carl had seen some things that science couldn't explain. Maybe he used pot to try and get in contact with God?

Repeating myself again.... why would a smart man be a long term user of marijuana?

Your reply has nothing to do with what I said. Why are you trying to change the subject?

[Mojo]

Is visual sighting considered proof...... Like planet Mars on film is considered proof,because it can be viewed over and over again.But when Mars was viewed for the very first time was that considered proof? or did that proof require ''proof checking'' by re-watching the video over and over again?Yes. When Mars was viewed for the first time, OTHER people can ALSO look at it.


Indeed. Likelystory, why do you think the Pope was so scared of Galileo and his telescope?

[likelystory]

So you have no idea how the Nobel Prizes are awareded either. The science prize is judged by a completely panel. Do you know anything at all?
You really have no idea how marijuana works at all do you? Wow.
I'd say not.
Recreational use of marijuana is "substance abuse"? You really have no idea what you're talking about at all.
I disagree. You don't seem to do any thinking at all.
Or maybe you're making crap up as usual.

Because it made him feel mellow. Why? Still no point eh?How do you know Carl was mellow after smoking pot? Are you an experiened midnight toker?

[paximperium]

How do you know Carl was mellow after smoking pot? Are you an experiened midnight toker?
Man. This weirdo's fascination with pot is really creepy and kind of pathetic.

[Little 10 Toes]

Likelystory, Is there a reason why you can not provide proof of your claims?

Is there a reason why you keep changing the subject?

Once again you are filling the mold of a troll by saying things without proof.

[Little 10 Toes]

How do you know Carl was mellow after smoking pot? Are you an experiened midnight toker?

And this is coming from some one who guesses that Carl had a paranormal experience. Pot, met kettle.

[likelystory]

Man. This weirdo's fascination with pot is really creepy and kind of pathetic.

Do you rely on wiki to tell you?. What do you know about the effects of cannabis. You haven't got a clue. You speak about if you know. Mellow? Absolute rubbish.

What do you know about ''longterm pot smoking''?

Carl Sagan was depressed about being a Scientist. Hollow inside.

I wouldn't use Carl Sagan as an ambassador for Science promotion.And lots of longterm cannabis users end up doing time in Assylums..... Mellow, what bull####.

[paximperium]

What do you know about ''longterm pot smoking''? A lot. There are dozens of scientific papers on it.

Carl Sagan was depressed about being a Scientist. Hollow inside. Aw, projecting your failures and hollowness onto others? I feel so sorry for you.

[Little 10 Toes]

Do you rely on wiki to tell you?. What do you know about the effects of cannabis. You haven't got a clue. You speak about if you know. Mellow? Absolute rubbish.


What do you know about ''longterm pot smoking''?

Carl Sagan was depressed about being a Scientist. Hollow inside.

I wouldn't use Carl Sagan as an ambassador for Science promotion.And lots of longterm cannabis users end up doing time in Assylums..... Mellow, what bull####. I believe the wierdo that he mentions is you. Is there a reason that you keep bringing up drug usage?

So then you know the effects of cannabis? What do you know about "longterm pot smoking"?

Proof that Carl Sagan was depressed? Proof that it was a result of him being a "Scientist"? Proof of him being "hollow inside"?

You talk a lot of talk, but can't seem to prove anything.

[Sledge]

Can you offer any reason whatsoever that I should accept anything you say, likelystory? You make vague claims of "the paranormal," but can't explain what you mean by that, only that we're all scared of it. What is it you think is so scary?

[Dr H]

The paranormal only knocks on certain doors.

Or heads, as the case may be.

[Dr H]

From the first paranormal Spirit. It was a handout.

Are they still doing those handouts with that crappy purple mimeograph ink, or are they laser printing them now? Can you post a link to a PDF, maybe?

[Safe-Keeper]

I think Carl Sagan believed in God's existence So when Sagan says or believes something you approve of, it somehow means you're right, but when he says stuff you don't like, it doesn't matter because he smoked pot?

Makes me miss yrreg. He really knew how to troll.

[Dr H]

You prevent yourself (it's wishful thinking preventing you) from assuming you might be mistaken in your interpretation of your experiences.

What experiences? He/she hasn't actually described any yet.

[Dr H]

And if the Scientists say they can't prove it's paranormal though something is there,then what?

The first order of business is to demonstrate that something "is there."

[Dr H]

PS Where do you think Barack Obama was born?

Well -I- think he was born in a hospital.

What do I win if I'm right?

[Dr H]

So if I witness a ghost without a video recorder

So, have you?

[Dr H]

The paranormal affects society everyday.

How so?

[HumanityBlues]

Carl Sagan was a pot smoking Scientist,maybe a LSD man to.Did it affect his Scientific views?

What is your paranormal claim?

[Steve001]

I wonder how likelystory would respond if this were an in person debate ?

[Jack by the hedge]

The paranormal affects society everyday.

How so?

He read it in his horoscope.

PS Likely: How is Barack Obama involved with the paranormal?

[HumanityBlues]

I think if every time Likelystory writes anything we all just ask what his/her paranormal claim is, he/she might get the point. Otherwise we are all falling into his/her trollish trap. I'll do it again, maybe some of you can follow suit too? :)

[HumanityBlues]

Do you rely on wiki to tell you?. What do you know about the effects of cannabis. You haven't got a clue. You speak about if you know. Mellow? Absolute rubbish.

What do you know about ''longterm pot smoking''?

Carl Sagan was depressed about being a Scientist. Hollow inside.

I wouldn't use Carl Sagan as an ambassador for Science promotion.And lots of longterm cannabis users end up doing time in Assylums..... Mellow, what bull####.

What is your paranormal claim?

[Elizabeth I]

But when Mars was viewed for the very first time was that considered proof? or did that proof require ''proof checking'' by re-watching the video over and over again?

Yes. When Mars was viewed for the first time, OTHER people can ALSO look at it.

Ummm...I don't think video was available "when Mars was viewed for the very first time."

Oh, and: what is your paranormal claim?

[Skeptical Greg]

... The paranormal affects society everyday....Yes, we seem to be experiencing some of that right now..

And the claim is ?

[Brainache]

I'm trying to piece together what Likelystory is saying here and I've come to this conclusion:
A Hawaiian Sling is a type of spear used to catch fish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_sling

Barack Obama was born on August 4 1961 in Hawaii:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Carl Sagan was a pot head:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

Note:
From 1960 to 1962 Sagan was a Miller Fellow at the University of California, Berkeley.
Miller? Isn't that a type of beer? Maybe he was a drunk as well...

Anyway, through careful consultation with the paranormal spirit beings living in the technology of my brain machine, I have managed to discover the TRUTH about your so-called Mr President.

During a break from his beer guzzling tenure at UC Berkely the pot capital of 1960s Amerika, dope fiend Sagan went to Hawaii for a spot of spear fishing and also to sample a bit of the local "Maui Wowee". While there he helped a young lady and fellow communist pot head to smuggle her unregistered Kenyan child into Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu by using the paranormal powers that he had always kept hidden.

This Hawaiian felony left an indelible mark on Prof. Hash Freak Sagan's soul which led to his later well known deep depression and paranoia with occasional schitzoid delusions as revealed in his 1980 TV show "Cosmos- A Personal Journey", where he expects people to believe that he can travel billions of lightyears in his imaginary starship.(pack us another one, Carlo!)

So there it is, Carl Sagan made BHO an American and later died of shame before his evil hash dream could be realised in the shape of the USA's first black commie president.

This post was made possible by spirit beings from another dimension and not by any form of substance abuse whatsoever.

[Elizabeth I]

This post was made possible by spirit beings from another dimension and not by any form of substance abuse whatsoever.

Evidence?

[JimBenArm]

I think we should get likelystory to team up with the pro-hemp crowd over in the CT section. Now that "discussion" would likely blow your mind!

[Trent Wray]

I think we should get likelystory to team up with the pro-hemp crowd over in the CT section. Now that "discussion" would likely blow your mind! Is there a "munchies" section on the forum? ;)

[JimBenArm]

Is there a "munchies" section on the forum? ;)

I hope so. I suddenly am all hungry.

Anyone got any chips?

[JWideman]

I was not implying he was wrong.Though if he was to apply what he asked me to everyday activities, then he would uderstand that our minds can and do record the things we do with great accuracy.

Our minds are great libraries.

I think you'll find this video interesting. It is meant to test how observant you are. It's quite tricky, so concentrate.
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Here's another one that is even harder, although it may not appear so at first. It's in HD though, which might help.
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[Trent Wray]

I hope so. I suddenly am all hungry.

Anyone got any chips? I'd be happy to make a run to White Castles :)

[likelystory]

I think you'll find this video interesting. It is meant to test how observant you are. It's quite tricky, so concentrate.
Ahg6qcgoay4
Here's another one that is even harder, although it may not appear so at first. It's in HD though, which might help.
ubNF9QNEQLA

The video's don't mean anything to things I have observed. Being Tricked is not an option to what I have seen.

[JimBenArm]

The video's don't mean anything to things I have observed. Being Tricked is not an option to what I have seen.

Of course not! No one can get anything by you! I'm so impressed with your observational skills and obvious knowledge!

Did you see that? Man, Bigfoot was just here! Dang, if only you'd been a bit quicker...

[likelystory]

He read it in his horoscope.

PS Likely: How is Barack Obama involved with the paranormal?

I'll send you a PM about a politician's involvement,and make a prediction.

I can't openly discuss it as yet because it will get over moderated and I'll get banned from here. Besides looking at the length of time some of the posters have been here,it's not like it's urgent to tell,And I don't see how JREF members could make an impact about it.

My paranormal stuff is not so important right now.

[likelystory]

Of course not! No one can get anything by you! I'm so impressed with your observational skills and obvious knowledge!

Did you see that? Man, Bigfoot was just here! Dang, if only you'd been a bit quicker...

I seen the person in the Costume wearing high heels straight off. So what's your silly squabble about ?.

[JimBenArm]

I seen the person in the Costume wearing high heels straight off. So what's your silly squabble about ?.

No, that was your wife. Bigfoot's not quite so hairy.

[likelystory]

No, that was your wife. Bigfoot's not quite so hairy. lol

[JWideman]

The video's don't mean anything to things I have observed. Being Tricked is not an option to what I have seen.

Trick? There was no trick. You were observing carefully, weren't you? You saw exactly what you were looking at, no trickery at all. Or are you saying that you were "tricked" into only seeing a small part of what was there, rather than the whole picture? Okay, fair enough. However, it was your own mind playing the trick.
Yes, the human mind is like a great library. One with a clever librarian that only stocks the books we're looking for. As you've demonstrated, you immediately realized this. And, as you've also demonstrated, you deny that this example of focus-limited memory is the same as your alleged paranormal focus-limited memory.
Would you like to see more examples?

[not daSkeptic]

Being Tricked is not an option to what I have seen.

Why not?

[Little 10 Toes]

Likelystory, any proof of your "paranormal beings"?

[stormin]

Paranormal abilities and encounters are not for All people to experience.Sure you can have an audience to the paranormal,but people can't learn or replicate the ability. It's a gift or curse as some of us prefer to believe.

Where as the science of ''something'' can in most cases be replicate in the Lab.So making Science a trade to be passrd on from father to son or teacher to pupil. There are no pupils in the paranormal in a manner similar to Science application. From Science I can make rocket fuel for models,yet there's no recipe to for the paranormal (expect for some religious beliefs,but I don't really want to get into that for the sake of circular arguements).

So even if Science could record and document paranormal findings,and will one day soon in my lifetime, it still can't be replicated by ordinary people,because the paranormal is given by the paranormal beings.One can not make paranormal power in the Lab like I can make homemade rocket propellant from books and the net.

Conclusion is and will be a great disappointment for the fundamentalist Science Circles to behold the effects of the paranormal energy, without the ability to re-create it. You can only develope one's paranormal power when you have it to begin with.

Nuff stated :)

Sorry why wouldn't you be able to replicate this fantastic alleged gift! So lets talk about psychics that claim to talk to the dead and yet have no answers for the questions posed to them!

Anyone can get up in front of an audience and say I have a name and it begins with a B, Brad, brian, bulla, bubba, betty...oh oh oh my grandmothers name was Betty! Really and you were close to her weren't you...Yes i was!
She had a long term illness before she died didn't she...Yes she had cancer, Oh yes she just told me that! Now wait no cameras in the audience and don't forget to sign those waiver and contract forms saying you won't discuss this show with anyone

Or we can always discuss the blurry unrecongnizable ghost photos! And by the way why is it that we have HD cameras availible and yet all ghost hunting groups are to scared to use them! That boogles ones mind that the ghost hunting groups still want to use the old High 8 cameras, I guess they want to keep you guessing!

[Trent Wray]

I still don't understand why it matters (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5779787#post5779787).

Suppose that there really are two different types of people ... those with the paranormal gifts given by spirit beings, and those without. Okay.

What is the end result of it all going to be? What is going to happen ultimately between the two types of peeps?

Likelystory ... I'm obviously hoping you'll answer ...

[likelystory]

Trick? There was no trick. You were observing carefully, weren't you? You saw exactly what you were looking at, no trickery at all. Or are you saying that you were "tricked" into only seeing a small part of what was there, rather than the whole picture? Okay, fair enough. However, it was your own mind playing the trick.
Yes, the human mind is like a great library. One with a clever librarian that only stocks the books we're looking for. As you've demonstrated, you immediately realized this. And, as you've also demonstrated, you deny that this example of focus-limited memory is the same as your alleged paranormal focus-limited memory.
Would you like to see more examples?

I wasn't Tricked.... Yet the video was made in an attempt to try and catch people napping.

There was no conspiracy when I seen the paranormal in ''unstaged surroundings''.

[not daSkeptic]

There was no conspiracy when I seen the paranormal in ''unstaged surroundings''.

There need be no conspiracy or staged surroundings in order for someone to be tricked. The human brain has an incredible capacity for fooling itself.

[likelystory]

I still don't understand why it matters (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5779787#post5779787).

Suppose that there really are two different types of people ... those with the paranormal gifts given by spirit beings, and those without. Okay.

What is the end result of it all going to be? What is going to happen ultimately between the two types of peeps?

Likelystory ... I'm obviously hoping you'll answer ...

You have already percieved what the outcome will be.

[John Jones]

I'll send you a PM about a politician's involvement,and make a prediction.

I can't openly discuss it as yet because it will get over moderated and I'll get banned from here. Besides looking at the length of time some of the posters have been here,it's not like it's urgent to tell,And I don't see how JREF members could make an impact about it.

My paranormal stuff is not so important right now.

What paranormal claims are you making?

[John Jones]

I seen the person in the Costume wearing high heels straight off. So what's your silly squabble about ?.

What paranormal claims are you making?

[Cavemonster]

What paranormal claims are you making?

[Little 10 Toes]

Where is any proof of what you are saying likelystory?

[Trent Wray]

You have already percieved what the outcome will be. If you're saying it's going to be an apocalyptic scenario, I still don't understand WHY this is such a common idea?

[gerg]

What I believe is that PSI and all it flavours will never be proven or disproven and so there will always be those who believe based on faith, personal experience, etc and those who don't/can't believe as it can't be scientifically proven. Main two reasons why I think that it will never be proven is that you can't prove what is not physical, so even if you conduct a test and the Psyhic answers the right question, there will always be many people who will say "He/She must have been given the answer or guessed correctly" . Secondly, and most importantly, it was Gods/The Creator/ Spirit's plan to not have such knowledge as fact. Reason being is that no one would learn or progress in physical life on earth if they knew the answers to everyting in advance. There wouldn't be much point to life if we all knew where we were headed.

[Brian-M]

Is visual sighting considered proof...... Like planet Mars on film is considered proof,because it can be viewed over and over again.But when Mars was viewed for the very first time was that considered proof? or did that proof require ''proof checking'' by re-watching the video over and over again?

Mars being on film is not definitive proof that Mars exists. It does count for a lot more than just an unsupported eyewitness account, because it demonstrates that the person who saw it wasn't just imagining things, but the film could be faked. Being able to view the film repeatedly is irrelevant. Being able to view Mars repeatedly, with consistent results is what's important. The film only counts as one viewing, not matter how many times you re-watch it.

So if I see a man only once without a video recording of it,do I say things to my mind such as ''did I see that man? was it a man? am I tripping out like Carl Sagan? and so on.....


Seeing a man is a commonplace event. In normal circumstances, actually seeing a man is far more likely than imagining you saw one, so the reasonable conclusion would be that you did see a man.

However, if you think you saw Osama Bin Laden or Michael Jackson walking through the shopping mall last week, it's far, far more likely that you are mistaken, so the reasonable conclusion would be you did not really see the person you thought you saw.

Skeptics paint the picture of a video camera never lies, But people who witness paranormal entities must be lying because there's no such thing as ghost because ''lack of evidence'' proves no ghosts.....

Skeptics know for a fact that cameras sometimes do lie. (See here (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4029) and here (http://www.pamelaheath.com/artifact.htm).)But still, they're far more reliable than the human mind, which is why photographic evidence is considered superior to an eyewitness account.

BTW... What is your paranormal claim?


Sorry for being a brat. You did well, but the grammar and word order is a bit different than in English. ;)

I thought it wouldn't be quite right, but my Google-fu failed me in finding an English-Hawaiian translation program.

[Trent Wray]

What I believe is that PSI and all it flavours will never be proven or disproven and so there will always be those who believe based on faith, personal experience, etc and those who don't/can't believe as it can't be scientifically proven. Main two reasons why I think that it will never be proven is that you can't prove what is not physical, so even if you conduct a test and the Psyhic answers the right question, there will always be many people who will say "He/She must have been given the answer or guessed correctly" . Okay, in this you say "I think" which indicates you understand you're stating your opinion. Yes?

Secondly, and most importantly, it was Gods/The Creator/ Spirit's plan to not have such knowledge as fact. Reason being is that no one would learn or progress in physical life on earth if they knew the answers to everyting in advance. There wouldn't be much point to life if we all knew where we were headed. Here there is no more "I think" so I'm assuming you are stating what you perceive to be a fact. Yes?

I could ask how you know God/Spirit/Creator exists and that these are facts, but I'll save you that :)

BUT ... assuming you're talking about the god of the bible, it seems contradictory. Why would god/spirits/etc introduce so much prophecy if we weren't supposed to know where we were headed? If we weren't supposed to know the knowledge of psi/paranormal/etc as fact, why introduce it at all?

Do you think god/spirits/etc are picking the people they think are most trustworthy with the information and abilities? I dare say that these gods chose poorly ...

[gerg]

Okay, in this you say "I think" which indicates you understand you're stating your opinion. Yes?

Here there is no more "I think" so I'm assuming you are stating what you perceive to be a fact. Yes?

I could ask how you know God/Spirit/Creator exists and that these are facts, but I'll save you that :)

BUT ... assuming you're talking about the god of the bible, it seems contradictory. Why would god/spirits/etc introduce so much prophecy if we weren't supposed to know where we were headed? If we weren't supposed to know the knowledge of psi/paranormal/etc as fact, why introduce it at all?

Do you think god/spirits/etc are picking the people they think are most trustworthy with the information and abilities? I dare say that these gods chose poorly ...

No think as in belief/opinion..not fact because as I stated i think it can't be proven :)

No not God in the Bible but God as a generic term to describe the Creator of things