Ubuntu FTW!

[devnull]

OS-X comes a close second.

Nuff said.

[Rat]

I'm assuming that you're just trolling for another pointless holy war. Nonetheless, it rather depends what you're trying to achieve. At the moment, I'm at work supporting a few dozen users running AutoCAD and the like, and it's useful if the OS is similar to the one they use at home. Linux and OSX are useless in this environment.

[Zep]

RUBBISH! RSTS/E - A commercial multi-user OS in under 600 kilobytes!

[dtugg]

I couldn't get my wifi card to work on Ubuntu when I last tried it so it was a no go. It seamed alright considering the price besides that.

[BenBurch]

RUBBISH! RSTS/E - A commercial multi-user OS in under 600 kilobytes!

RSX-11M, baby!!!

[Zep]

RSX-11M, baby!!!RSX-11S - nuthin' but RAM, momma! ;)

[BenBurch]

RSX-11S - nuthin' but RAM, momma! ;)

DOS/Batch-11!!!

Oh. Wait. Never mind.

[elgarak]

I'm assuming that you're just trolling for another pointless holy war. Nonetheless, it rather depends what you're trying to achieve. At the moment, I'm at work supporting a few dozen users running AutoCAD and the like, and it's useful if the OS is similar to the one they use at home. Linux and OSX are useless in this environment.

There are pretty strong rumors that SolidWorks will be released for the Mac.

That said, I can run Autodesk Inventor in a Windows XP virtual machine with Parallels, which works surprisingly smooth. At least good enough for me to review design, as I don't have to make them myself.

[Rat]

There are pretty strong rumors that SolidWorks will be released for the Mac.

That said, I can run Autodesk Inventor in a Windows XP virtual machine with Parallels, which works surprisingly smooth. At least good enough for me to review design, as I don't have to make them myself.
But it would be a little odd to buy in lots of Macs and then use them to run Windows. At least, I can't see any advantage to it.

[tyr_13]

But it would be a little odd to buy in lots of Macs and then use them to run Windows. At least, I can't see any advantage to it.

But haven't you seen the Ipad? What about the Ipod touch? I mean, they're great! You can even get sticks fro them!

:p

[schrodingasdawg]

I couldn't get my wifi card to work on Ubuntu when I last tried it so it was a no go. It seamed alright considering the price besides that.

Damn, I had the same problem with Ubuntu. I was stubborn enough to keep at it and after hours of net-searching and trying out random crap, I finally got it to work, and I've been using Ubuntu since. (well, except for certain tasks that only windows is capable of, e.g. video games: dual boot FTW). It was certainly a frustrating experience, and I sympathize with anyone else who's had the problem.

[Gate2501]

I tried linux once.

Got rid of it seeing as how I like to game on my PC.

[Phoenix]

I just installed Ubuntu on a relative's laptop last week. It's great for light users and probably would be the only OS I use if I didn't play games.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Kubuntu FTW!!!

[Ducky]

I tried linux once.

Got rid of it seeing as how I like to game on my PC.

I use linux and opensolaris exclusively at home. I game WoW and several other MMORPG's on linux.

[nathan]

I couldn't get my wifi card to work on Ubuntu when I last tried it so it was a no go. It seamed alright considering the price besides that.

How long ago was that? I've been using it for years, and it did used to take some setting up. I don't think I've had to do anything weird for the past couple of years at least.

Things seemed to get easier after various linux-related conferences provided only encrypted wifi accesses -- that was a huge encouragement to hackers to make things 'just work' :)

[geni]

Ubuntu contains binary blobs and is thus unclean.

[Ducky]

How long ago was that? I've been using it for years, and it did used to take some setting up. I don't think I've had to do anything weird for the past couple of years at least.

Things seemed to get easier after various linux-related conferences provided only encrypted wifi accesses -- that was a huge encouragement to hackers to make things 'just work' :)

I have recently had an issue with a wireless card on a gateway netbook, however a kernel release fixed the problem. I spent about 6 months frustrated with the issue until the release that fixed it.

[dtugg]

How long ago was that? I've been using it for years, and it did used to take some setting up. I don't think I've had to do anything weird for the past couple of years at least.

Things seemed to get easier after various linux-related conferences provided only encrypted wifi accesses -- that was a huge encouragement to hackers to make things 'just work' :)

This was a little more than a year ago. I remember reading that a lot of people had problems with Atheros cards. Perhaps they have fixed it by now. I might try it again, although I would have to be extremely impressed for it to replace Windows 7 as my primary OS.

[Ducky]

This was a little more than a year ago. I remember reading that a lot of people had problems with Atheros cards. Perhaps they have fixed it by now. I might try it again, although I would have to be extremely impressed for it to replace Windows 7 as my primary OS.

I would wait until 10.4 is released this month. There's quite a few hardware driver updates in the pipeline with that one.

[dtugg]

I would wait until 10.4 is released this month. There's quite a few hardware driver updates in the pipeline with that one.

I will. Thanks for the advice!

[Zep]

DOS/Batch-11!!!

Oh. Wait. Never mind.RT-11; 250 millisecond boot times...off a floppy!

Oh wait...that would leave no room for improvements.

;)

[J Coplen]

Ubuntu is okay. I'm a big (yes, I'm fat too. No jokes) Debian user. Heh.

[Ducky]

Ubuntu is okay. I'm a big (yes, I'm fat too. No jokes) Debian user. Heh.

For a desktop I agree. For a server, I think there are many complicated considerations for a unix/unix-like OS. For those uses I prefer FreeBSD or OpenSolaris, depending on the application - mostly for ZFS - however I have been known to spin up a debian or centos linux server for some appications not needing ZFS pools/ZFS file service capabilities.

However, for desktop use and hardware and technology support, linux is currently a better choice than FreeBSD or OpenSolaris in my opinion.

[Babbylonian]

GeOS 4evah.

[Ducky]

GeOS 4evah.

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=299&pictureid=2849

[Babbylonian]

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=460&pictureid=2853

[Ducky]

Well played, sir.

[John Jones]

Anyone remember Gem?

We had some lab equipment that was controlled by a DEC pc running Gem.

[glsunder]

Lately, I started using Ubuntu, but I'm not sure I like it better than SUSE.

For old equipment, puppy linux is a nice OS. Being able to play DVDs, streaming video, DIVX movies, etc on an old P3 laptop with only 384MB is quite nice for the kids instead of risking a real laptop with them. It's snappy too since the whole thing (including apps) is only about 100MB and loads into memory.

[Zep]

Anyone remember Gem?

We had some lab equipment that was controlled by a DEC pc running Gem.Sadly...yes.

[Zep]

For old equipment, puppy linux is a nice OS. Being able to play DVDs, streaming video, DIVX movies, etc on an old P3 laptop with only 384MB is quite nice for the kids instead of risking a real laptop with them. It's snappy too since the whole thing (including apps) is only about 100MB and loads into memory.Indeed!:) Just started using it, and I'm getting more and more pleased with all the "stuff" I'm discovering it has and can do.

[Lord Emsworth]

Lately, I started using Ubuntu, but I'm not sure I like it better than SUSE.

My experience with both (K)Ubuntu and openSUSE left me with the impression that openSUSE is better in almost any respect. It is easier, faster, more mature, less cheesy.

[FSMLovesYou]

If you would like some extra eye-candy you can go to the Applications menu and then add some programs like Compiz, modify the settings abit to give you all kinds of lovely effects :)

Problems with wireless connections/cards in Ubuntu do tend to occur quite often but other then its pretty nice. Whats nice is the abundance of free programs for Ubuntu:
-office programs
-touch typing apps
-games (alien arena my fav)
And a few other things I cba to list, I found Celestia Ubuntu which is like a virtual sim of the solar system - which you can also get for free on Windows too.

[Ohforf]

If you would like some extra eye-candy you can go to the Applications menu and then add some programs like Compiz, modify the settings abit to give you all kinds of lovely effects :)

Problems with wireless connections/cards in Ubuntu do tend to occur quite often but other then its pretty nice. Whats nice is the abundance of free programs for Ubuntu:
-office programs
-touch typing apps
-games (alien arena my fav)
And a few other things I cba to list, I found Celestia Ubuntu which is like a virtual sim of the solar system - which you can also get for free on Windows too.

Is there any good Software exclusive to Ubuntu ?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just another Linux, no magic here. :teacher:
I installed it a few Days ago, looked at the optional Packages and thought :
Is there anything I need ? Anything that my beloved Windows 7 can't do ? :confused:
Also, some Idiot disabled the login for "root" by default... That's not User-Friendly, thats Sabotage.:soapbox

[BenBurch]

NO, you ought to have to take affirmative action to enable root logins on any machine. This is really elementary security procedure.

You create one privileged non-root user during the install script.

That user has an entry in /etc/sudoers and so can escalate to root privilege any time that is needed, including doing "sudo su" and becoming the root user if that is what is required.

And that user can set a password and login shell and so enable the root user at any time.

Because the biggest vulnerability there is to a networked machine is to have a root account that is exposed to the WAN and which is possibly compromisable by a password list scheme.

[Ohforf]

NO, you ought to have to take affirmative action to enable root logins on any machine. This is really elementary security procedure.

You create one privileged non-root user during the install script.

That user has an entry in /etc/sudoers and so can escalate to root privilege any time that is needed, including doing "sudo su" and becoming the root user if that is what is required.

And that user can set a password and login shell and so enable the root user at any time.

Because the biggest vulnerability there is to a networked machine is to have a root account that is exposed to the WAN and which is possibly compromisable by a password list scheme.

Is there a kind of remote login enabled by default ?
I tried portscanning and found nothing.
The Problem with sudo and UAC is that i have to give root permissions like 40 times a Day, so i don't think anymore about it... :boxedin:

[BenBurch]

Remote login ALSO should not be enabled by default.

AND even if you enable ssh, PermitRootLogin should be set to "No" in sshd.conf.

What you are protecting to have no root login when you have no remote login is against code injection attacks where, having the ability to run code authenticated as a non privileged user you escalate to root using a dictionary attack. This injection can come from just viewing a web site or via a trojan of some sort; Does not need to come via a port attack.

[Fishstick]

I installed it a few Days ago, looked at the optional Packages and thought :
Is there anything I need ? Anything that my beloved Windows 7 can't do ? :confused:


Update your entire system in one command, without requiring a reboot, for one. Customize every single little thing your desktop does to what you want it to do or how you want it to look without requiring 3rd party apps that may or may not require payment. Run awesome software like Beryl, Amarok, Mythtv or Gnumeric.

Just off the top of my head.

[Ducky]

Update your entire system in one command, without requiring a reboot, for one. Customize every single little thing your desktop does to what you want it to do or how you want it to look without requiring 3rd party apps that may or may not require payment. Run awesome software like Beryl, Amarok, Mythtv or Gnumeric.

Just off the top of my head.

Of that list, Gnumeric is far less awesome.

I prefer the OO.org suite's spreadsheet program.

Also, Exaile > Amarok.

[Fishstick]

OO is nice but it's getting bloatier by the release. I tend to use google docs more than anything nowadays. Music players are like colours and food though, very subjective ;). I've been using Amarok for a while now and all my gadgets (conky!) use scripts around it so I'm not apt (get it) to change very soon.

[Ducky]

OO is nice but it's getting bloatier by the release. I tend to use google docs more than anything nowadays. Music players are like colours and food though, very subjective ;). I've been using Amarok for a while now and all my gadgets (conky!) use scripts around it so I'm not apt (get it) to change very soon.

I rarely use OO, but when I have to it's there. 99% of what I do is in a bash shell anyway. Exaile is usually what I use to play music, unless I'm not on the faster desktop (all hardware I have except my home servers is rather old and slow.) In that case I usually use moc.

[Fishstick]

I rarely use OO, but when I have to it's there. 99% of what I do is in a bash shell anyway. Exaile is usually what I use to play music, unless I'm not on the faster desktop (all hardware I have except my home servers is rather old and slow.) In that case I usually use moc.

Did you just point me to a CLI audio player that does not suck because I think I love you now.

[Ducky]

Did you just point me to a CLI audio player that does not suck because I think I love you now.

Note: May be broken in newer ubuntu updates. I use crunchbang which is a derivative of ubuntu and not as new. If you want to play restricted formats, it will crap itself on the apple formats in the newest updates. Wait on fix.