Cloning your wife or girlfriend

[Cainkane1]

Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?

[casebro]

Since you blame the male, in addition to the sperm being some kind of weird, the woman's egg would have to be unusual in that it would need to retain both 'halves' of the woman's DNA. Possible?

More likely is that the dad's gene contribution closely matches the mom's other half, making a baby that, while having half the dad's genes also has all of mom's. Aren't we all only 1% different genetically? 1/2%?

[Ririon]

I don't get it.

If I could make a sci-fi-low-budget-tv-style speculation about something similar it would go like this:

A woman has a medical condition causing her to produce eggs with a complete set of her own DNA in it. The egg only needs a sperm cell to signal that it is now fertilized and can develop, but the DNA in the sperm cell is discarded, since the egg DNA is already complete. Presto: Clone daughter and the beginning of a plot for House or The X Files. :o

[Cainkane1]

I don't get it.

If I could make a sci-fi-low-budget-tv-style speculation about something similar it would go like this:

A woman has a medical condition causing her to produce eggs with a complete set of her own DNA in it. The egg only needs a sperm cell to signal that it is now fertilized and can develop, but the DNA in the sperm cell is discarded, since the egg DNA is already complete. Presto: Clone daughter and the beginning of a plot for House or The X Files. :o
Not the woman, the man. The man can only contribute a catalyst type sperm that only developes his wifes side of the DNA picture. This causes a clone like effect and only girl copies of the mother are born.

[I Ratant]

Show of hands..
Who wants -two- of the present s.o.?
I'll go first.
1 stretches the limit.

[casebro]

Not the woman, the man. The man can only contribute a catalyst type sperm that only developes his wifes side of the DNA picture. This causes a clone like effect and only girl copies of the mother are born.

But Cain, the wife's normal egg has only half of the genetic material. Can't make a complete of any mammal with only half of the genetic material.

Go back and read post #2. Can't be a male-only anomaly.

See, eggs and sperm start out as a complete cell that splits in half, each have getting half of the nucleus, therefore half of the genes. Not enough to make a baby.

Females can make a 'clone', it's called parthenogenesis. Condition of sperm has no part, it takes a female egg anomaly. In humans it's called "virgin birth". Provable only by genetic testing, not because children look more like Mom than Dad.

ETA: That said, suppose adding a sperm to an egg with complete dna from Mom could be a needed trigger for implanting and beginning growth. But if so, any damn sperm would do.

So, it ain't Dad's anomaly, it's Mom's.

[Freethinker]

Show of hands..
Who wants -two- of the present s.o.?
I'll go first.
1 stretches the limit.


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[ponderingturtle]

Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?

Are you making arguments that human parthenogenesis is possible?

Not by anything I have heard, but sometimes siblings look very much alike and sometimes children take after one parent very strongly. Why should it be too surprising that this might happen at the same time?

[Cainkane1]

Are you making arguments that human parthenogenesis is possible?

Not by anything I have heard, but sometimes siblings look very much alike and sometimes children take after one parent very strongly. Why should it be too surprising that this might happen at the same time?
I'm not making the argument and I don't know if what I'm describing is parthenogenesis or a genetic condition that only selects girls because of some inherent characteristic in the sperm of a very few men. I recall the article saying that while it is similar to cloning it isn't exactly the same thing just something similar. I'm no scientist. I'm just posting something I read in a tabloid and I've been very clear about that. The man in question at the funeral may or may not have known what he was talking about. The article in the Nation Enquirer or whatever may not have known what they were talking about. It could even have been bull written by an author with too much time on his or her hands at the National Enquirer. Then again it might be true.

[bluesjnr]

This sounds like the worst possible punishment for me. Two of my wife......gulp!

[SOdhner]

I'm no scientist. I'm just posting something I read in a tabloid and I've been very clear about that. The man in question at the funeral may or may not have known what he was talking about. The article in the Nation Enquirer or whatever may not have known what they were talking about. It could even have been bull written by an author with too much time on his or her hands at the National Enquirer.

Fair enough.

I'm going to go ahead and say that it's not a real thing, and the places you heard if from were wrong, confused, misunderstood, or something else.

[Ririon]

If the man has two X chromosomes, he could only get daughters (or another very unlikely case of a son with two X chromosomes). But while this is extremely rare, it does not fit this story.

Another idea is dominant/recessive genes. If the woman has a double set of dominant genes for almost all the genes that determine physical appearance, her children will look very much like her, but they will not be clones in any meaningful way. And it has very little to do with the man.

[Darth Rotor]

Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?
Better idea: clone Scarlet Johansson, and make her the girlfriend.

DR

[Ririon]

Better idea: clone Scarlet Johansson, and make her the girlfriend.

DR
What? No Woody Allen jokes?

[Piscivore]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_(film)

[plumjam]

Were there a lot of mirrors in this funeral home?

[Aepervius]

The only wy this could happen, is that the geminal cell precursor for the ova did not undergo meiose, and the sperm do not contribute any genetic material but still trigger the division of the cell. Sound like SF to me. Much more probably the characteristic of the female (apparence) is either quasi identical to the X of the male, or has dominant trait over the X contributed by the male. It sound like a much more probable explanation, jsut by the law of numbers.

[casebro]

This sounds like the worst possible punishment for me. Two of my wife......gulp!


Yeah. Which SWMBO would you obey?

Oooh, think of the cat fights! And they would all end in a tie.

[Monketey Ghost]

Show of hands..
Who wants -two- of the present s.o.?
I'll go first.
1 stretches the limit.

Me. The possibilities for naughtiness are staggering. Stretching limits, indeed!

[Cainkane1]

The only wy this could happen, is that the geminal cell precursor for the ova did not undergo meiose, and the sperm do not contribute any genetic material but still trigger the division of the cell. Sound like SF to me. Much more probably the characteristic of the female (apparence) is either quasi identical to the X of the male, or has dominant trait over the X contributed by the male. It sound like a much more probable explanation, jsut by the law of numbers.
Thank you for your very civil response to my post. I wish I could find the article in national Enquirer. This article came about after Dolly the sheep made headlines. Its my guess since there has been high quality rebuttle to my post that the National Enquirer was riding on the then famouus record breaking story. It seems odd that this magazine would post something like this if it weren't true. Like I said the Mag did say it wasn't exactly cloning but something very similar to it. However after these posts i see in here its my guess they just wrote the article for reasons of their own and it has no scientific credibility.

[Delvo]

I think this idea was erroneously borrowed from some insect species I can't recall the name of. I think the way it worked was that the females were always clones of their mothers and the males were always clones of their fathers (with their sperm cells having taken over an ovum and completely replaced its original nucleus), which effectively made them two separate species even though they still needed to mate in order to reproduce.

[bruto]

Thank you for your very civil response to my post. I wish I could find the article in national Enquirer. This article came about after Dolly the sheep made headlines. Its my guess since there has been high quality rebuttle to my post that the National Enquirer was riding on the then famouus record breaking story. It seems odd that this magazine would post something like this if it weren't true. Like I said the Mag did say it wasn't exactly cloning but something very similar to it. However after these posts i see in here its my guess they just wrote the article for reasons of their own and it has no scientific credibility.

I think actually that although you cannot probably bank on the utter and preposterous inaccuracy of a National Enquirer article now as you could once and still can from, say, the Weekly World News, it's still very far from odd to find them publishing bogus information. While they may not entirely despise and avoid the truth, it is not their principal product.

[ponderingturtle]

I'm not making the argument and I don't know if what I'm describing is parthenogenesis or a genetic condition that only selects girls because of some inherent characteristic in the sperm of a very few men. I recall the article saying that while it is similar to cloning it isn't exactly the same thing just something similar. I'm no scientist. I'm just posting something I read in a tabloid and I've been very clear about that. The man in question at the funeral may or may not have known what he was talking about. The article in the Nation Enquirer or whatever may not have known what they were talking about. It could even have been bull written by an author with too much time on his or her hands at the National Enquirer. Then again it might be true.

So if you get a coin flip sequence that is heads heads heads, you think it must be a coin that can only land on heads?

There might be something to it if there is a couple with say 16 girls and no boys. Other than that, it is easily random statistical clumping you would expect.

[ponderingturtle]

If the man has two X chromosomes, he could only get daughters (or another very unlikely case of a son with two X chromosomes). But while this is extremely rare, it does not fit this story.

I am not sure that XXY men can have only daughters, and are XX men fertile?

[Ririon]

I am not sure that XXY men can have only daughters, and are XX men fertile?
Interesting questions. :) I didn't think there was even an XXY option.

[ponderingturtle]

Interesting questions. :) I didn't think there was even an XXY option.

Sure you can get lots of different effects from having an extra chromosome, in this case it is called Klinefelter syndrome (http://www.medicinenet.com/klinefelter_syndrome/article.htm).

If it is the 21 chromosome it is downs syndrome. There are lots of trisomal conditions.

ETA: Apparently most XXY males are infertile due to low sperm production.

[Delvo]

XX "males" produce no sperm cells.

Sometimes XXY do, but they're typically not viable. In the exceptional case in which they are, both sons and daughters are possible.

[Cainkane1]

So if you get a coin flip sequence that is heads heads heads, you think it must be a coin that can only land on heads?

There might be something to it if there is a couple with say 16 girls and no boys. Other than that, it is easily random statistical clumping you would expect.
I actually did know a man with 10 daughters.

[ponderingturtle]

I actually did know a man with 10 daughters.

So assuming 10 girls and 0 boys the odds of this are .098%, So call it 1 in 10,000. If you knew someone who won the lottery that would be more unlikely.

Of course once you start adding in a few boys it is even less remarkable.

[Ladewig]

So assuming 10 girls and 0 boys the odds of this are .098%, So call it 1 in 10,000. If you knew someone who won the lottery that would be more unlikely.

Of course once you start adding in a few boys it is even less remarkable.

Wouldn't 10 girls with no boys simply be 2^10 which would mean 1 in 1024? Ten girls would seem very rare because so few parents have 10 kids, but once you push out ten kids it is not that unusual to hit all girls.

[ponderingturtle]

Wouldn't 10 girls with no boys simply be 2^10 which would mean 1 in 1024? Ten girls would seem very rare because so few parents have 10 kids, but once you push out ten kids it is not that unusual to hit all girls.

I did it first as a percentage and so might have made an error of a factor of 10 in quick conversions in my head.

And there was no mentions of being no boys at all, only that he had 10 girls. If it was 10 girls and 4 boys that is even less unlikely if you have 14 kids.

[Cainkane1]

So assuming 10 girls and 0 boys the odds of this are .098%, So call it 1 in 10,000. If you knew someone who won the lottery that would be more unlikely.

Of course once you start adding in a few boys it is even less remarkable.
I failed to add that the girls were certainly not copies of their mother. Some looked like the mother some looked like the father and of course there were mixed features.

[Cainkane1]

I failed to add that the girls were certainly not copies of their mother. Some looked like the mother some looked like the father and of course there were mixed features.
Please forgive me but I forgot something. There were 13 girls born but three of them were stillborn. I went to highschool with three of the girls and i was friends with one of them. At first glance they were white trash especially the father. He did have one redeeming quality. He was a work fanatic. His daughters helped him at his work which was operating a paint contracting company. All of the girls are self supporting and three of them are very well to do.

Ok and I have to add this also. TYhe man was a real jerk. He fathered other children out of wedlock. I know that at least one of them is a mulatto girl.

[I Ratant]

I did it first as a percentage and so might have made an error of a factor of 10 in quick conversions in my head.

And there was no mentions of being no boys at all, only that he had 10 girls. If it was 10 girls and 4 boys that is even less unlikely if you have 14 kids.
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One of my friends said she had 4 sisters and 10 brothers.
She also said she had been molested by her father, as did one of her sisters I talked to.

[I Ratant]

I failed to add that the girls were certainly not copies of their mother. Some looked like the mother some looked like the father and of course there were mixed features.
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Mailman, pool boy.. the usual... :)

[ponderingturtle]

Please forgive me but I forgot something. There were 13 girls born but three of them were stillborn. I went to highschool with three of the girls and i was friends with one of them. At first glance they were white trash especially the father. He did have one redeeming quality. He was a work fanatic. His daughters helped him at his work which was operating a paint contracting company. All of the girls are self supporting and three of them are very well to do.

Ok and I have to add this also. TYhe man was a real jerk. He fathered other children out of wedlock. I know that at least one of them is a mulatto girl.

Unusual but not that weird. Sure something that would cause a woman to be much more likely to lose male fetus's possibly before she knew she was pregnant is possible, but I have not heard of any good evidence for it.

[Cainkane1]

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One of my friends said she had 4 sisters and 10 brothers.
She also said she had been molested by her father, as did one of her sisters I talked to.
I hate to hear things like this.

[Skeptic]

Talk about a nightmare come true...

[jasonpatterson]

Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?

Just to be clear, this is not a real condition. Lots of people have children who look alike (my wife and I are constantly asked if our daughters are twins) and if the mother and father were both reasonably similar physically, the children will look quite a lot like their mom if they're girls or their dad if they're boys (again, if you mix up pictures of my wife as a child and my daughters, you'd have a rough time figuring out who was who...) Maybe it made this guy happy to think that his wife was 'still alive' (times two) but he's misinformed.

[CORed]

Not the woman, the man. The man can only contribute a catalyst type sperm that only developes his wifes side of the DNA picture. This causes a clone like effect and only girl copies of the mother are born.

It couldn't work that way. A normal egg has only 1/2 the woman's DNA. Parthenogenesis, which occurs in some birds and reptiles, but AFIK, had never been observed in humans, consists of the egg's chromosomes being duplicated, producing a diploid embryo that develops into a new individual. This individual is not a clone. It's genes are not exactly like the mothers.

The fact that the daughters look very much like the mother an each other is not evidence of cloning, unless confirmed by DNA analysis. It sometimes happens that siblings look very much like each other, or very much like on parent, with perfectly normal reproduction.