Speaking in Tongues

[Drewbot]

I witnessed a speaking in tongue incident at church a few years back.

I was curious if there is any inside info on this:

Here is the basic breakdown of what happens;

The minister is speaking about a story in the bible, perhaps starts into a prayer, and in the middle of the congregation(audience) someone will start yelling in what appears to be a foreign language.

Then later someone will say, 'That was Ancient Aramaic! only six people in America can speak that, it must be GOD speaking through her'

Please tell me is:

1. The person planted with the words to say at a cue from the minister?

2. The person speaking gibberish, and the planting is in the people saying that it was an ancient language


Sometimes, the person will Speak in tongues, and then all around them people will start speaking in a gibberishy language, as though they are also being filled with the H.S. and don't want to be left out.

[Steve001]

This will tell you a lot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia

[HansMustermann]

You know, it almost puts me in a mind to go start shouting stuff in Klingon at a church, and see if they say it's ancient Aramaic :p

[Trent Wray]

In my personal experience (I've never done it but been around those who have) there are basically two camps:

* those who think they're complete gibberish is an actual angelic language
* those who think they're actually muttering real words of languages that have existed, or a mix of word salad using multiple languages
* those who actually know they're uttering gibberish but speaking forth sounds and gutteral tones reflective of things they're spirits want to say but cannot express into words

I've been around people who speak in tongues softly under their breath as they care for patients in hospitals!

In church services, I seriously doubt most people are "planted". I think there might be a minority that does that, but overall those speaking in tongues aren't expected to speak a language perfectly.

I attended a service a looooong time ago that had a highly controlled group night, where people would speak their gibberish out and then wait for someone to speak forth the interpretation in English. So one person would spout out the tongue-speak .... and then a few minutes later someone would stand up with a "word from the Lord" and that pastor would confirm that was the interpretation of the tongue-speak.

What absolutely boggles my mind is how any person at all can consider this a miracle. In fact, when I've asked certain people who participate in tongues if they've ever experienced or seen miracles, they will almost always say, "What about speaking in tongues? How would you explain that?" as though it were beyond understanding or explanation. But of course there are no blind people who can see, lame who can walk, limbs grown back, etc. ....... just the gibberish speaking.

[JWideman]

One of the these days, someone's going to say "Hold on, I speak ancient Aramaic, and that was plain gibberish."

[Cainkane1]

I witnessed a speaking in tongue incident at church a few years back.

I was curious if there is any inside info on this:

Here is the basic breakdown of what happens;

The minister is speaking about a story in the bible, perhaps starts into a prayer, and in the middle of the congregation(audience) someone will start yelling in what appears to be a foreign language.

Then later someone will say, 'That was Ancient Aramaic! only six people in America can speak that, it must be GOD speaking through her'

Please tell me is:

1. The person planted with the words to say at a cue from the minister?

2. The person speaking gibberish, and the planting is in the people saying that it was an ancient language


Sometimes, the person will Speak in tongues, and then all around them people will start speaking in a gibberishy language, as though they are also being filled with the H.S. and don't want to be left out.
Number 2. If you had a tape recorder you'd find that most of the gibberish was english or just gobbledegook nonsense. If the person was speaking Aramaic then it was staged.

[arthwollipot]

I speak with a little bit of experience in the matter, having spent some time in an Assemblies of God church that put great stock in "speaking in tongues". Don't worry, I got better.

The language that people speak is not ancient Aramaic, or any other human language. It's supposed to be the language that the Angels speak, which can be understood by anyone who has been given the gift of interpretation. They take to heart Joel 2:28: "And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions..." Speaking in tongues is the gift of prophecy - they believe that they are prophesying in the language of the Lord, so that all people may hear the word of the Lord (as in Acts 2).

In reality, it is gibberish.

I attended the church for a couple of months before I was baptised. During that time I saw and heard people speaking in tongues and I came to believe that it was normal and expected from members of the congregation. So when I had the opportunity to be baptised, I came up out of the water speaking in tongues. "Hallelujah!" they cried, "he has been baptised in the Holy Spirit, and in fire (Mat 3:11)!" From that moment I was a part of the in-group.

There is definitely a pressure to conform. When in Rome and all that.

Anyway, the whole idea that it is an "ancient language" is rubbish. Any scholar of Aramaic would be able to tell you that is false.

[tsig]

One of the these days, someone's going to say "Hold on, I speak ancient Aramaic, and that was plain gibberish."




But do you speak ancient Aramaic Armenian dialect? No? Then that's what it was. And so it goes and with it the goalposts.

[Bikewer]

I have been able to "speak in tongues" with considerable fluency for ages, likely influenced by childhood watching of Sid Ceasar with his ersatz German, French, and so forth. (people would write in to the show and claim they could understand him...)

I can reel out pretty decent sounding German, French, Japanese, and so forth...All with smatterings of real words in those languages and other gibberish that just sort of sounds good. I think almost anyone can do this with a bit of practice.

Most humans have a pretty decent ear for language, and can quickly grasp foreign inflection, cadence, and accent, even if they don't quite understand the words.

I once saw two prominent TV evangelists speaking in tongues to each other....Silliest thing I've ever seen.

[tsig]

I speak with a little bit of experience in the matter, having spent some time in an Assemblies of God church that put great stock in "speaking in tongues". Don't worry, I got better.

The language that people speak is not ancient Aramaic, or any other human language. It's supposed to be the language that the Angels speak, which can be understood by anyone who has been given the gift of interpretation. They take to heart Joel 2:28: "And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions..." Speaking in tongues is the gift of prophecy - they believe that they are prophesying in the language of the Lord, so that all people may hear the word of the Lord (as in Acts 2).

In reality, it is gibberish.

I attended the church for a couple of months before I was baptised. During that time I saw and heard people speaking in tongues and I came to believe that it was normal and expected from members of the congregation. So when I had the opportunity to be baptised, I came up out of the water speaking in tongues. "Hallelujah!" they cried, "he has been baptised in the Holy Spirit, and in fire (Mat 3:11)!" From that moment I was a part of the in-group.

There is definitely a pressure to conform. When in Rome and all that.

Anyway, the whole idea that it is an "ancient language" is rubbish. Any scholar of Aramaic would be able to tell you that is false.

It's interesting that speaking in tongues as done in modern churches is the exact opposite of Pentecost where the Apostles spoke in their own tongue and it was understood by others in their own language.

[arthwollipot]

It's interesting that speaking in tongues as done in modern churches is the exact opposite of Pentecost where the Apostles spoke in their own tongue and it was understood by others in their own language.Indeed. The standard apologetic is that the Apostles thought they were speaking in their own language, but in fact were speaking in this language of the angels.

[rorylee]

I can speak in tongue, pretty well. Tbh first i heard of it been an ancient language but i spose the thought did lie with me, as the first language. I have only seen one other man speak in tongue and it was before i knew everything i know today. He was helping and guiding me (if you follow my posts, the man who gave me the book by Mary K Baxter: A Divine Revelation of Hell from my old work place and i went to church with him where the lights flickered) through my awaken process. He blessed my old house with oil and spoke in tongue to make sure no evil spirits were coming in.

Now days, i speak in it to freak people out lol and it does always give me a sense of feel with snakes (got one tattooed on my arm called eingana). You can pretty much say any English word you want in tongue by thinking it and it just flows out, or sometimes just complete flowing rubbish (like swearing i guess lol). I haven't bothered to look into more anyway, its just there when needed.

On the churches doing it.. it could be a setup so more people will follow that church and more money will be given, i hate to say that but man are still fallible.

PS: it did help i was born tongue tied and had to have to cut at birth too ;) was and still is a pretty big issue in my family, my mum made sure to tell my x-gf when i didn't like wtf?

[arthwollipot]

It's like... there are words of some kind...

[Beerina]

It's also possible to speak English gibberish if you are half-asleep. The words make sense, and are in syntactically correct sentences, but they just make no sense as a sentence.

I've been able to duplicate this in myself from time to time, but the window of when I can produce such while realizing it's gibberish is fairly small, just a few seconds.

That's a fascinating state to me because it implies the part of the brain that generates words and syntactically correct sentences is separate from the part that makes the sentences meaningful.


Can't say if there's a legitimate (i.e. non-fraudulent, real phenomenon) way to reproduce unintelligible gibberish.

[bluesjnr]

Flehackle meh plubistica. Muchta shebon frethrant wibble wort!

("Tounge" for "Please forgive me. Somebody had to do it!")

[HansMustermann]

Well, constructing some gibberish that has the recognizable structure of a language (and optionally even the lexicon of one) is actually a very simple exercise even for a computer. In fact, it's simpler than constructing sentences that make sense and convey a clear meaning. Some exercises based on Markov Chains include Biff, dissociated press and Mark V Shaney (a word play on "Markov chain") on Usenet, and some suspect the poster amanfrommars on the The Register boards may be such a program.

The exercise is of course even simpler for humans who already have the hardware trained and fine-tuned for constructing sentences. The majority of people (but not all by a wide margin either) can construct equal quality gibberish after being exposed to just a 60 second sample to get the idea of what's expected.

[Ocelot]

Then later someone will say, 'That was Ancient Aramaic! only six people in America can speak that, it must be GOD speaking through her'

If only 6 people in america speak Ancient Aramaic then we're really lucky that this "someone" was there to recognise it.

[rorylee]

Flehackle meh plubistica. Muchta shebon frethrant wibble wort!

("Tounge" for "Please forgive me. Somebody had to do it!")
lol i was just thinking 'ive never been an a grade student on English, so how the hell ami going to spell something in tongue!?!'

[Yeggster]

I read this thread and the Wiki article ... ummm ... :( ... how embarrassing for everyone involved!

Kudos to the scientists who could stomach such foolishness long enough to write up a real report on it.

[arthwollipot]

I read this thread and the Wiki article ... ummm ... :( ... how embarrassing for everyone involved!In context, it's not embarrassing. In fact it's more embarrassing to be in the church and not part of the glossolalic in-group.

[iknownothing]

I don't think anyone needs to be planted. The people in those churches just get carried away enough to do it.

[Yeggster]

In context, it's not embarrassing. In fact it's more embarrassing to be in the church and not part of the glossolalic in-group.

I can't imagine ... it's totaly embarassing just READING about it.

I wonder how often someone just reaches over and slaps them?

[Björn Toulouse]

Robert Tilton. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWsyPDHhJPc)

[arthwollipot]

I can't imagine ... it's totaly embarassing just READING about it.

I wonder how often someone just reaches over and slaps them?Never. Speaking personally again, I was drawn into the culture. I was a willing participant, because it was seen as normal and desirable. Sounds strange, I know, but it's true.

[Yeggster]

Robert Tilton (http://www.weirdcrap.com/tilton/). Click on the gibberish.

I took time to transcribe the actual "tonger speaking" of this "person" and translated it for everyone

First http://www.weirdcrap.com/tilton/mahte_ke_sodoebo.wav

"Ma da kee soda poh-bo"

So in this sentence, his key fell in the soda pop bowl

An second http://www.weirdcrap.com/tilton/toh-oh-tee.wav

"Tow oh tow oh tee eee ta bahm bahm bo doh tow go yeah ... YEAH ha key kah Soho, so Yahbah bah dahba sata"

In this one, his car got stuck ... and when it got towed out the fender got dented twice ... then he found his spare key and drove to Soho and was happy he didn't miss a re-run of the Flintstones on his new satellite dish.

[Drewbot]

Holy gibberish! Of course this guy says that people who don't experience it will call it gibberish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

[arthwollipot]

Have you ever heard a large group all speaking in tongues at once?

http://www.arthwollipot.com/spokenword/speakingintongues1.m4a
http://www.arthwollipot.com/spokenword/speakingintongues2.m4a

[Yeggster]

Never. Speaking personally again, I was drawn into the culture. I was a willing participant, because it was seen as normal and desirable. Sounds strange, I know, but it's true.

Maybe next time .. if so give them one from me ! :)

[HansMustermann]

In context, it's not embarrassing. In fact it's more embarrassing to be in the church and not part of the glossolalic in-group.

No offense, but the greatest embarassment would be if I ever lied to myself along the lines of what some of those guys seem to be doing. The other folks in church I may or may not see ever again, but I'll have to live with myself for the rest of my days.

[I Am The Scum]

I read an article a while back (can't find it, at the moment) in which a team of linguists analyzed several recordings from evangelical churches all throughout the US.

Turns out they were just speaking Jive the whole time.

[kerikiwi]

I can speak in tongue, pretty well. Tbh first i heard of it been an ancient language but i spose the thought did lie with me, as the first language. I have only seen one other man speak in tongue and it was before i knew everything i know today. He was helping and guiding me (if you follow my posts, the man who gave me the book by Mary K Baxter: A Divine Revelation of Hell from my old work place and i went to church with him where the lights flickered) through my awaken process. He blessed my old house with oil and spoke in tongue to make sure no evil spirits were coming in.

Now days, i speak in it to freak people out lol and it does always give me a sense of feel with snakes (got one tattooed on my arm called eingana). You can pretty much say any English word you want in tongue by thinking it and it just flows out, or sometimes just complete flowing rubbish (like swearing i guess lol). I haven't bothered to look into more anyway, its just there when needed.

On the churches doing it.. it could be a setup so more people will follow that church and more money will be given, i hate to say that but man are still fallible.

PS: it did help i was born tongue tied and had to have to cut at birth too ;) was and still is a pretty big issue in my family, my mum made sure to tell my x-gf when i didn't like wtf?



This post is written 'in tongue' isn't it?

[Staropeace]

I bet if you asked them to repeat themselves,they couldn't do it...lol.

[Minarvia]

I bet if you asked them to repeat themselves,they couldn't do it...lol.

Ha! Just like John Smith in desciphering his magic plates with a stone in a hat, or whatever.

And Trent, speaking in "tongue" I believe is a language you know quite well! :p

[Mister Agenda]

I was raised amongst holy rollers and have spoken in tongues a number of times myself. The usual 'tongues and interpretation' doesn't involve identifying the language, it's very odd. When I was a Pentecostal, my first thought on hearing this story would have been the person has studied some Aramaic and was faking speaking in tongues.

As an adult, I would also wonder about the bona fides of the person claiming to be able to identify spoken Aramaic.

[JoeyDonuts]

You get to do these kinds of things when you're a God, you know...

LCx5DR5oemw

Arth brings up a good point though. I've been in churches where there was spirit-slaying going on. I got hands laid on me once (I was a teenager.) I wasn't closed-minded and overly skeptical, I was just waiting for whatever was supposed to happen. Nothing happened. People were dropping to the left and right of me, and I didn't move because I didn't want God to be angry with me for 'faking it.' Church folk are really quick to decide that Satan's got his hooks into you when you don't go down in these situations. For an already awkward 13-year old, having a bunch of adults surround you as if there were something legitimately wrong with you can be...well...

[Starthinker]

I've been in churches where someone just going

abidabidabidabidabidabidabidabidabidabidabidabidab idabidaabidabidabidabidabidabidabidaabidabidabidab idabidabidabidaabidabidabidabidabidabidabidaabidab idabidabidabidabidabida

was considered speaking in tounges. Didn't have to sound like a language at all.

[fromdownunder]

Turns out they were just speaking Jive the whole time.


Randy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0666309/): Can I get you something?
Second Jive Dude (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924424/): 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!
Randy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0666309/): I'm sorry, I don't understand.
First Jive Dude (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0316709/): Cutty say 'e can't HANG!
Jive Lady (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082511/): Oh stewardess! I speak jive.
Randy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0666309/): Oh, good.
Jive Lady (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082511/): He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.
Randy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0666309/): All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?
Jive Lady (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082511/): Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da' rebound on da' med side.
Second Jive Dude (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0924424/): What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!
Jive Lady (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082511/): Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da' help!
First Jive Dude (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0316709/): Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!
Jive Lady (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0082511/): Jive ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Hmmph!

Norm

[Blackadder]

An second http://www.weirdcrap.com/tilton/toh-oh-tee.wav

"Tow oh tow oh tee eee ta bahm bahm bo doh tow go yeah ... YEAH ha key kah Soho, so Yahbah bah dahba sata"

In this one, his car got stuck ... and when it got towed out the fender got dented twice ... then he found his spare key and drove to Soho and was happy he didn't miss a re-run of the Flintstones on his new satellite dish.


I had a real good laugh reading your 'translation' especially the Flintstones part is brilliant.

[Christian Klippel]

Well, give me enough beer and i speak in tongues as well. I might also bite in my tongue occasionally. After even more beer, i even might try to stick my tongue in some random girls face.

But somehow i doubt that that has anything to do with angels or such. Although, in that state most girls look like angels ;)

Greetings,

Chris

[Complexity]

Speaking in tongues is either self-indulgent delusion or outright fraud.

[Third Eye Open]

I've been in churches where someone just going



was considered speaking in tounges. Didn't have to sound like a language at all.

I am blue, daba dee daba da...

[I Am The Scum]

To anybody that really, really wants to witness this, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD5jbECVxr4

And here is the same individual getting trolled by a friend of mine, in a completely unrelated incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktKdoklCSRM

[steve s]

Robert Tilton. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWsyPDHhJPc)

"Modoshokodada."

Yep. That's definitely Aramaic.

Steve S

[arthwollipot]

No offense, but the greatest embarassment would be if I ever lied to myself along the lines of what some of those guys seem to be doing. The other folks in church I may or may not see ever again, but I'll have to live with myself for the rest of my days.It's not that bad, honestly. There's things I've done in life that I regret far more.

[Fnord]

Let us pray...

*Kulingepu kunamullajumbo mukalakki ningeniu mupplebara mariapaleingum murrakoeri yokorakorida munmona murrakumora noroma lala kinmorko karawa mudanga yerii mindapul kutoru ukairi muduarbulu ngarukorda unkorpu ungara!

Arai chilongogo areyi muriwallauwill naroma namijeya apperakul miniamaka!

Numerialmak nulwoiyu niyaudadijeri murrapurnmini yarrawaiika kumerakan maraonbi wareiya montoquialla mangul kumerangbukara kudauu ungmerierigari!

Buruwongu umerumparengi ulloa nolerupungeini tjeroboilu muriiwapungen mudingeyia korominjil mitchinga alumberapa ungara obaiya monmuna murawillawill!

Mukalakki mitjunga numerialmak kumbainba miniamaka murrapurnminni naminjeya!

Mitjeralak mitiunga kopereik oogutjali belgramma tjurabego mikgeirne mirowargo minagi mukarula!

Amen

(*A list of names in Kakadu (http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/) -- an Australian aboriginal language)

[Trent Wray]

It's interesting that speaking in tongues as done in modern churches is the exact opposite of Pentecost where the Apostles spoke in their own tongue and it was understood by others in their own language. Bingo.

Ha! Just like John Smith in desciphering his magic plates with a stone in a hat, or whatever.

And Trent, speaking in "tongue" I believe is a language you know quite well! :p Holy **** :)

I've been in churches where someone just going



was considered speaking in tounges. Didn't have to sound like a language at all. This didn't quote you correctly, but you're actually pointing out something interesting.

I've been many different places in the world and heard speaking in tongues ... and if I was in Costa Rica it sounded one way by most everyone, Chile another way by most everyone ... Germany another way, Texas another way, India another way, etc and so forth. And I don't think it was just because of their language or dialect differences. I got the distinct impression that each region were producing what they thought sounded "appropriately ancient" in regards to how they thought Hebrew/Aramaic etc should sound based off some episodes of 24 or something.

There is the "oohhh shaaadaaadaadaadaadaaa"

And then there is the "mur ekh akhlah maklah rrorhk ahkla" gutteral crap, etc and so forth.

[Minarvia]

Ooo eee, ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang
Ooo eee, ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang...

[Yeggster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMdd65jnHA

[Hutch]

The first time I heard speaking in tongues I was 7 years old and it was in this show (go to 7:30 on the tape)

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[CNY_Dave]

You know, it almost puts me in a mind to go start shouting stuff in Klingon at a church, and see if they say it's ancient Aramaic :p

The gospels are best when recited in the original klingon.


Dave

[Drewbot]

The problem with speaking in Klingon at church, is some Star Trek Dick is going to stand up to translate, and you'll get something like:

Hans: "DebvetlhDaq ghaHtaH, qaStaHvIS loSmaH jaj, ghaH tlhu'moHtaHvIS veqlargh.
ghaH lutlhej Ha'DIbaH, 'ej ghaH lutoy' Qun'a' QumwI'."
Trekkie: "MINISTER BOB! GOD IS SPEAKING IN KLINGON!!, HE KNOWS ALL!!"
Minister: "WHAT IS HE SAYING?!!?"
Trekkie: "I think he said; 'All beautiful ladies, wishing to be saved must meet at Hans' house after service for a NEXT GENERATION marathon, Bring beer"

[ponderingturtle]

In context, it's not embarrassing. In fact it's more embarrassing to be in the church and not part of the glossolalic in-group.

Personally I wonder how often someone with epilepsy has a seizure in some groups of holy rollers and they don't notice.

[Minarvia]

Trekkie: "I think he said; 'All beautiful ladies, wishing to be saved must meet at Hans' house after service for a NEXT GENERATION marathon, Bring beer"

No way! Hans is MY husband and he's not meeting any (ahem) OTHER beautiful ladies!

[Drewbot]

Trekkie: "I think he said; 'All beautiful ladies, wishing to be saved must meet at Hans' house after service for a NEXT GENERATION marathon, Bring beer"

No way! Hans is MY husband and he's not meeting any (ahem) OTHER beautiful ladies!

I should have said:
Hypothetically

[HansMustermann]

Trekkie: "I think he said; 'All beautiful ladies, wishing to be saved must meet at Hans' house after service for a NEXT GENERATION marathon, Bring beer"

No way! Hans is MY husband and he's not meeting any (ahem) OTHER beautiful ladies!

Either you're talking about a different Hans, or I'm in bigger trouble than I thought. Now I'm paranoid :p

[Minarvia]

Either you're talking about a different Hans, or I'm in bigger trouble than I thought. Now I'm paranoid :p

Yep, a different Hans! I was just teasin' ya! :p

[Darth Rotor]

It's supposed to be the language that the Angels speak, which can be understood by anyone who has been given the gift of interpretation. They take to heart Joel 2:28: "And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions..." Speaking in tongues is the gift of prophecy - they believe that they are prophesying in the language of the Lord, so that all people may hear the word of the Lord (as in Acts 2).

In reality, it is gibberish.
What, it isn't Babel? ;)










(the language of the Tower disaster ... )

DR

[arthwollipot]

Aha. I've found it.

1 Corinthians 12:7-10But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

I remember one particular time in church, during "free worship". People were praying, holding their hands in the air, shouting "hallelujah" and so on, when some guy stood up and shouted out "allababbllababbballalallalalblbalallh!"

The pastor stepped up to the microphone and hesitantly asked "does someone have an interpretation?"

Whereupon there was a pause, and then someone else stood and said "Er, for God... so loved the world that, um, he gave his only begotten son, uh, so that whoever believed in him should have eternal life."

Hallelujah, the Holy Spirit was definitely upon the congregation. :rolleyes:

[HansMustermann]

Definitely sounds like a case for trying it in Klingon. You know, to see if the holy spirit of Kahless is upon the congregation ;)

[Andrew Wiggin]

Given that these aren't folks with a lot of exposure to latin, I should lay some latin on them. Obscure medical terms, perhaps. Wouldn't dare pull that in the catholic church, where someone might just translate, but pentacostal maybe. It's either that or the ewok dance song.

A

[Brainache]

Finally, a use for Quenya Elvish!

[Meadmaker]

If only 6 people in america speak Ancient Aramaic then we're really lucky that this "someone" was there to recognise it.

As it turns out, there are a lot more than 6 people in America that speak Aramaic, and a lot of them live here in Detroit. I work with one, and there are a lot in my neighborhood. I had never heard of a Chaldean before I moved to Detroit, but now I order pizza every week from a famliy of them. A lot of the "party stores", which is what we call family run convenience stores in Detroit, in our area are run by Chaldeans. I was quite surprised the first time I went to an Arab food store and saw several religious items for sale depicting the Last Supper.

If you wanted to hear some Aramaic, you could also attend any Jewish service. One of the prayers we say every week is in Aramaic, not Hebrew.

I'm guessing that the tongue speaker wasn't saying anything remotely Aramaic, and I'm guessing that the person who declared that it was ancient Aramaic didn't know that there was such a thing as modern Aramaic, and certainly wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[Drewbot]

Re: the Aramaic reference

That was mine, I kind of made that up from a blurred memory of my experience.

It was 15 years ago, my GF at the time took me to her church, it was huge, there were 9 pastors or something, anyway, the service was going along, and all of a sudden someone started yabbering away a few rows back, so I kind of jumped, and now that I have seen some of your experiences, it has come back to me exactly what happened.

Persons started yabbering in tongues
I'm like "WTF?"
GF says: 'he is speaking in tongues'
I'm like "WTF?"
She says ''it's the angel's or god's language''
I say "How do you know what he is saying?"
She says "There will be a translator"
I say "How do they know what he is saying?"
She says "God tells them"
Sure enough, a couple seconds later a person 3 rows away from the yabberer stands up, and the minister calls on her, and she says something like "I have heard your prayers and will help MARY X with her cancer". It was a personal message directed at someone in church's family member.

I don't know where I got the Aramaic from.

This is the same GF, who when questioned about evidence answered all queries with: "It's in the bible"

[Fnord]

I once said this out loud, and heard it 'interpreted' as an admonition to the wicked:

"Eye ma hop en inna mah hon da anna go en too da wa dah!"

You may have to say it out loud. All I was saying was that I wanted to go to the beach.

:D

[HansMustermann]

Given that these aren't folks with a lot of exposure to latin, I should lay some latin on them. Obscure medical terms, perhaps. Wouldn't dare pull that in the catholic church, where someone might just translate, but pentacostal maybe. It's either that or the ewok dance song.

A

Reminds me of the scene in the movie Top Secret where some armed soldiers escort the protagonist out of the cell, preceded by a priest who reads in Latin from a large book: "... corpus delicti, habeas corpus, coitus interruptus..."

[bluesjnr]

....snip.... "allababbllababbballalallalalblbalallh!"....snip...

That's quite enough you potty mouth. I won't stand for that kind of foul language.

Reported!

[steve s]

Reminds me of the scene in the movie Top Secret where some armed soldiers escort the protagonist out of the cell, preceded by a priest who reads in Latin from a large book: "... corpus delicti, habeas corpus, coitus interruptus..."

"Hic, haec, hoc, hujus, hujus, hujus." :p

And my favorite--"I know a little German. He's right over there."

Steve S

[Complexity]

I think they make more sense when speaking in tongues.

[slingblade]

Then later someone will say, 'That was Ancient Aramaic! only six people in America can speak that, it must be GOD speaking through her'

Not in my 30+ years of Assembly of God Pentecostal church attendance. No one ever said any such thing. No one ever tried to identify the language. It was widely accepted that it wasn't an earthly language at all, but heavenly, direct from god. Of course, the bible inconveniently says they are known languages, but good cherry-pickers ignore that, as it's not nearly mysterious and wooish enough, and the "from god" way doesn't require anyone to imitate a known, if rarely used or dead, language. :p

There was usually a person who gave a translation, apparently as spontaneous and as direct from god as the message given in "tongues." As a child, I often wondered how the translator knew he was supposed to speak, but now, of course, I know that he, at least, was likely planted. It's possible the "babbler" was a plant, too, but it's also possible that it was a given that someone was going to start spouting random syllables at high volume, and the translator plant was there to "interpret," no matter who had spoken.

[Simon39759]

Not in my 30+ years of Assembly of God Pentecostal church attendance. No one ever said any such thing. No one ever tried to identify the language. It was widely accepted that it wasn't an earthly language at all, but heavenly, direct from god. Of course, the bible inconveniently says they are known languages, but good cherry-pickers ignore that, as it's not nearly mysterious and wooish enough, and the "from god" way doesn't require anyone to imitate a known, if rarely used or dead, language. :p

There was usually a person who gave a translation, apparently as spontaneous and as direct from god as the message given in "tongues." As a child, I often wondered how the translator knew he was supposed to speak, but now, of course, I know that he, at least, was likely planted. It's possible the "babbler" was a plant, too, but it's also possible that it was a given that someone was going to start spouting random syllables at high volume, and the translator plant was there to "interpret," no matter who had spoken.


Maybe the translator just spouted the first thing that came to his mind, and decided it must have been God putting it there (warning: only works when it's something Religious coming up and not when, like me, you are thinking about lingerie to kill time).

[Drewbot]

Not in my 30+ years of Assembly of God Pentecostal church attendance. No one ever said any such thing. No one ever tried to identify the language. It was widely accepted that it wasn't an earthly language at all, but heavenly, direct from god. Of course, the bible inconveniently says they are known languages, but good cherry-pickers ignore that, as it's not nearly mysterious and wooish enough, and the "from god" way doesn't require anyone to imitate a known, if rarely used or dead, language. :p

There was usually a person who gave a translation, apparently as spontaneous and as direct from god as the message given in "tongues." As a child, I often wondered how the translator knew he was supposed to speak, but now, of course, I know that he, at least, was likely planted. It's possible the "babbler" was a plant, too, but it's also possible that it was a given that someone was going to start spouting random syllables at high volume, and the translator plant was there to "interpret," no matter who had spoken.

I corrected my claim in post 63. Sorry.

[slingblade]

Oh, no, don't apologize! Unless you've been in it, you can't know how it's often done. I just wanted to explain that for many, there is no identification of the "language." They just babble and interpret. :D

[Starthinker]

Wouldn't this be a good time to jump in as translator and start a revolution?

"I can translate! He says that Jesus himself was homosexual and we should treat fellow homosexuals with reverence and awe!"

[Simon39759]

Wouldn't this be a good time to jump in as translator and start a revolution?

"I can translate! He says that Jesus himself was homosexual and we should treat fellow homosexuals with reverence and awe!"

Nah; it only works when God agrees with the pastor.

In fact, this reminds me of a fellow on this forum and the story he told us. He was hearing voices, you see, and, at first, his fellow church goers decided he was blessed and such. But after a few months, the content of his messages must have slipped away from the accepted canon because, by then, he was possessed by the devil!
He thankfully seek real help and is much better now (or so he believes, he as yet to realize that the whole JREF fora only exist in his head).

Can't remember the poster's name but it was an interesting story...

[RussDill]

It's also possible to speak English gibberish if you are half-asleep. The words make sense, and are in syntactically correct sentences, but they just make no sense as a sentence.

Yes, I've had this happen, on one hand, to me, what I ways saying made perfect sense. But reflecting back, it was clear the words were totally random.

[blobru]

The worst thing about speaking in tongues is the jokes always bomb.

Cudixo, yerggl nyzzp jarldo kratzoos. Linw vakship: "Dassp pliio xyddil krutz?" Nanat sarr: "'Xyddil krutz'? Dibiqfentzt puudigrazsimos... (comic pause)... yahardank viioi matzaeplatsikinomosoo krutz krutz xyddil!!!" ........ some Spirits just can't tell a joke
:halo: .................................................. ................................ :nope:

[skullerello]

Once, while playing FRIZBEE with an old Pentecostal friend of mine, I began to deliberately stagger about as if neither of my legs wanted anything to do with the other.
He was a little concerned; "Michael, what's wrong?!" he asked.
"I'm walking in legs!"
And he actually got a big laugh out of that.

[Moss]

What?! Nobody mentioned Enochian yet? You will all suffer the vonph of Dee!

[blobru]

Dee don't scare me! (Dxgz otoh -- that's one bad mother angel.) :scared:

Enochian: revealed to 16th century alchemist John Dee as the language of the angels, spoken by Adam & Eve in Eden. Similar to Kabbalists, and Mormons, who also think God has his own tongue (and name -- 216 letters long in Enochian). I remember Umberto Eco's writing about how it was a common belief among medieval Christian scholars that children not taught any language would instead begin speaking in the tongue God implanted in Adam, usually thought to be Hebrew.

[JWideman]

Classic story time:
Some guys attending a Star Trek convention see a flyer advertising a dinner at a local church and figure "hey, free meal". None of them know each other nor were they together, they simply all had the same idea. They may or may not have known that it was a Pentecostal church. If they knew, they obviously didn't care.
So there they all were, sitting and talking with the churchgoers as they ate, none of them even aware that others from the convention were present. After the dinner came the church service and all went fine until people started speaking in tongues. One person would spout gibberish, another would "interpret" by reciting a bible passage. Finally, everyone is staring at the newcomers.
So one of the nerds said something in a loud angry voice, going on for longer than was usual. Many of the churchgoers got scared. Finally, he stops, and right away, one of the churchgoers started reciting a scripture about sinners and repentance. One of the other nerds cut him off and says "No, what he said 'Long ago, a storm was heading for the city of Quin'lat. Everyone took protection within the walls except one man who remained outside. Kahless went to him and asked what he was doing. "I am not afraid," the man said. "I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." Kahless honored his choice and went back inside. The next day, the storm came, and the man was killed, as the wind does not respect a fool."
While all the churchgoers stood around in confusion and surprise, a third one said "That's what he would have said if his pronunciation wasn't so bad."
The whole group of them were still arguing in the parking lot after the Pentecostals had asked them to leave.

[Radrook]

According to the biblical record found in the book of Acts, the purpose for the speaking in tongues was for foreigners to understand the gospel. There is no description of anyone speaking giberish or rolling on the floor as if possessed.

[Brainache]

Many years ago I was working as a camera assistant video taping one of these Pentacostal services. I just couldn't stop giggling at these people. I tried really hard to be polite and respectful of their religious practices, but I found it impossible to keep a straight face. Fortunately they were all too busy babbling nonsense and falling over to notice.

[Radrook]

Many years ago I was working as a camera assistant video taping one of these Pentacostal services. I just couldn't stop giggling at these people. I tried really hard to be polite and respectful of their religious practices, but I found it impossible to keep a straight face. Fortunately they were all too busy babbling nonsense and falling over to notice.



I was a child when first exposed to this phenomenon and my reaction was fear of being physically attacked by people whom I perceiuved to be posssessed by some malevolent entity. My first instinct was to run out of the church but I imagined them all streaming after me, you know, like in the film Body Snatchers. So I just stood there hoping for the best.

[pipelineaudio]

http://video.sbrforum.com/video-2885-speaking-tongues-interpretation.html

[ChristianIssues]

I have a video on YouTube, called Speaking In Tongues Part A, which is helpful in understanding tongues, prophecy and knowledge. My user name on YouTube is christianissues

God bless,
Mick

[Yeggster]

I have a video on YouTube, called Speaking In Tongues Part A, which is helpful in understanding tongues, prophecy and knowledge. My user name on YouTube is christianissues

God bless,
Mick

How about a text version posted here?

A "video" is not really well suited to that sort of presentation ... I mean it's just you reading the words (very slowly), it's a VERY inefficient medium to convey your ideas.

No offense intended but I only managed about 20 seconds.

[Cainkane1]

I witnessed a speaking in tongue incident at church a few years back.

I was curious if there is any inside info on this:

Here is the basic breakdown of what happens;

The minister is speaking about a story in the bible, perhaps starts into a prayer, and in the middle of the congregation(audience) someone will start yelling in what appears to be a foreign language.

Then later someone will say, 'That was Ancient Aramaic! only six people in America can speak that, it must be GOD speaking through her'

Please tell me is:

1. The person planted with the words to say at a cue from the minister?

2. The person speaking gibberish, and the planting is in the people saying that it was an ancient language


Sometimes, the person will Speak in tongues, and then all around them people will start speaking in a gibberishy language, as though they are also being filled with the H.S. and don't want to be left out.
If you tape record this gibberish you will hear english mixed in with meaningless nonsense. It will not resemble Aramaic at all.

[leon_heller]

I remember seeing a TV programme many years ago presented by Patrick Moore, called Can You Speak Venusian?, in which he interviewed a nutter who claimed to speak "space languages". It was quite amusing. I found a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjpcZPT1-NA

Perhaps he was really speaking in tongues, in the biblical sense. :)

[Drewbot]

http://www.forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=180397

There is a thread about a linguist who has deciphered some BIGFOOT recordings, and claims to know what they are saying.

...yes, Bigfoot.

No. I'm serious.

...as in he listens to 'BIGFOOT recordings' and interprets them.

[TimCallahan]

According to the biblical record found in the book of Acts, the purpose for the speaking in tongues was for foreigners to understand the gospel. There is no description of anyone speaking giberish or rolling on the floor as if possessed.

There is, of course, also what Paul has to say about speaking in tongues in 1 Cor. 14:1 - 33, 36, 37. This would seem to be something entirely different from Acts 2, where the disciples supposedly spoke in foreign languages. What Paul seems to be addressing is the phenomenon of glossolalia, and this is what goes on today in Pentecostal churches.

[pipelineaudio]

I once saw two prominent TV evangelists speaking in tongues to each other....Silliest thing I've ever seen.

Please please please find a video of this!!!!

[blobru]

I once saw two prominent TV evangelists speaking in tongues to each other....Silliest thing I've ever seen.

Please please please [please please please please please please puh-leez please please please please please please] find a video of this!!!!!!


Adding more pleases to pipelineaudio's plea :) (sounds like televangelical tonsil hockey).

[The Norseman]

This post is written 'in tongue' isn't it?


Prince George: Ah, Dr. Johnson, damn cold day!
Dr. Samuel Johnson: Indeed it is sir - but a very fine one, for I celebrated last night the encyclopedic implementation of my pre-meditated orchestration of demotic Anglo-Saxon.
Prince George: Nope - didn't catch any of that.
Dr. Samuel Johnson: Well, I simply observed, sir, that I'm felicitous since during the course of the penultimate solar sojourn, I terminated my uninterrupted categorisation of the vocabluary of our post-Norman tongue.
Prince George: Well, I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds damn saucy, you lucky thing! I know some fairly liberal-minded girls, but I've never penultimated any of them in a solar sojourn, or for that matter, been given any Norman tongue.
Blackadder: I believe, sir, that the Doctor is trying to tell you that he is happy because he has finished his book. It has apparently taken him ten years.
Prince George: Well, I'm a slow reader myself.


Given that these aren't folks with a lot of exposure to latin, I should lay some latin on them. Obscure medical terms, perhaps.

Charley: Dominus vobiscum nabisco. Espiritu sanctum. De gustibus.
Prisoner: [hands Johnny a part of a tommy gun] So long, Johnny.
Charley: Me gustibus. You gustibus. We missed the bus. They missed the bus.
Prisoner: [hands Johnny another piece of the gun] Be brave, huh, Johnny.
Charley: When's the next bus?
Johnny Dangerously: [begins putting the gun together behind the wardens back] Always, Nails.
Charley: Summa cum laude. Magna cum laude. The radio's too laude. Adeste fidelis.
Prisoner: [gives Johnny another piece] Good luck, Johnny.
Charley: Centra fidelis. High fidelis.
Johnny Dangerously: [struggling to put it together] Why didn't I take shop?
Charley: Post meridian. Ante meridian. Uncle meridian. All of the little meridians.
Prisoner: [adds another piece] Bye bye, Johnny.
Johnny Dangerously: [adds piece to gun] Bye, Rock.
Charley: Magna carta. Master charga.
Prisoner: [hands piece to Johnny] Spit in his eye, Johnny!
Johnny Dangerously: [finishes putting the gun together] OK, rabbi.
Charley: [opens his bible to reveal the guns clip] Dum procellas. Lotsa Vitalis.





One of the other nerds cut him off and says "No, what he said 'Long ago, a storm was heading for the city of Quin'lat. Everyone took protection within the walls except one man who remained outside. Kahless went to him and asked what he was doing. "I am not afraid," the man said. "I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." Kahless honored his choice and went back inside. The next day, the storm came, and the man was killed, as the wind does not respect a fool."
While all the churchgoers stood around in confusion and surprise, a third one said "That's what he would have said if his pronunciation wasn't so bad."
The whole group of them were still arguing in the parking lot after the Pentecostals had asked them to leave.


Reminds me of this:

"And though I had killed a thousand foes less one, the thousandth knife found my liver and the thousandth enemy said to me, 'now you shall die, now none shall know.' And the fool, looking only down believed this, not seeing above his shoulder the naked stars, each one remembering."

It was from the old FASA's Star Trek RPG and I thought it was so cool, I memorized it. Still remember it even after twenty some odd years...

[Cassandrena]

My step-dad loved to make fun of people who spoke in tongues, as half of his family was avowedly Christian (the other half was Native American, and he was a practicing Shaman), and he was quite adept at mimicking them. I had never seen it outside of television and his mimicking, until oddly enough at his funeral. One of his relatives broke into a mix of speaking in tongues and proselytizing about how only those who truly loved Jesus would get into heaven, right in the middle of the funeral service. I have to admit, while part of me was quite angry at the lady for not only interrupting, but for the fact her little speech was basically condemning him to hell since he was "pagan", the rest of me was quite amused, since all it made me think of was him mocking that sort of behavior. I had to fight the urge to laugh, and at that time that made her rude interruption almost worth it, since I had desperately needed to laugh at that time.

So hey, maybe that speaking in tongues stuff has some practical application after all. :rolleyes:

[Soapy Sam]

I cn txt n tngs.

[ChristianIssues]

How about a text version posted here?

A "video" is not really well suited to that sort of presentation ... I mean it's just you reading the words (very slowly), it's a VERY inefficient medium to convey your ideas.

No offense intended but I only managed about 20 seconds.

I appreciate your comment however I can't do much of a job as the graphics in the video can't be put into words as well.

Basically the beginning of the video focuses on the words 'cease' and 'remain' used in the passage 1 Cor. 13:8-10. The word cease is used in reference to tongues, prophecy and knowledge and the word remain is used in reference to faith, hope and love. The following is what I am saying in the graphics -

Another way to look at the ceasing and remaining is like this - There are six men. Three die (cease to be) leaving 3 alive (remaining). Then, some time later on, 2 more die leaving just 1 alive. This is the sequence of events with the six items in 1 Cor. 13:8-10 -
1) Tongues, Prophecy and Knowledge cease first
2) this leaves Faith & Hope remaining to cease when Jesus returns
3) this leaves Love to remain forever.
So, it plain that tongues, prophecy and knowledge cease before Jesus returns. I don't know of any other way to interpret these words without compromising the English language. Is there another way to look at this?

God bless,
Mick

[Yeggster]

I appreciate your comment however I can't do much of a job as the graphics in the video can't be put into words as well.

Basically the beginning of the video focuses on the words 'cease' and 'remain' used in the passage 1 Cor. 13:8-10. The word cease is used in reference to tongues, prophecy and knowledge and the word remain is used in reference to faith, hope and love. The following is what I am saying in the graphics -


Thanks .... sounds like some pretty wide latitude in interpretation ... but not outside the norm for many other areas of religious dogma

[arthwollipot]

Thanks .... sounds like some pretty wide latitude in interpretation ... but not outside the norm for many other areas of religious dogmaI'm also not seeing the connection to the thread.

For my heathen interpretation, that chapter of 1 Corinthians seems to be saying that Love (in the KJ, Charity) is the greatest of gifts because it never fails. Tongues fail, prophecy fails, knowledge fails, and faith fails, so even if you have all four gifts, if you don't also have charity, it doesn't help. 1 Cor 13:9 says that knowledge and prophecy are incomplete, and will therefore be no good when the kingdom of God, which is perfect, comes. 1 Cor 13:13 ends with "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." The passage says little about tongues - except that they shall cease. The passage is all about Charity.

[ChristianIssues]

I'm also not seeing the connection to the thread.

For my heathen interpretation, that chapter of 1 Corinthians seems to be saying that Love (in the KJ, Charity) is the greatest of gifts because it never fails. Tongues fail, prophecy fails, knowledge fails, and faith fails, so even if you have all four gifts, if you don't also have charity, it doesn't help. 1 Cor 13:9 says that knowledge and prophecy are incomplete, and will therefore be no good when the kingdom of God, which is perfect, comes. 1 Cor 13:13 ends with "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." The passage says little about tongues - except that they shall cease. The passage is all about Charity.
Hello there,

The Chapters 1 Corinthians 12 to 14 are all about gifts and the bit in 1 Cor 13:1-8 is saying that love is greater than any gift. This is said because the people the letter was written to made a big issue out of speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues was simply a sign to the Jews that they were going to be judged because they rejected Jesus. Tongues was not for spreading the gospel, not a prayer language and not an angelic language but simply a sign of judgment to the Jews. The Old Testament shows three other occasions where God used tongues as a sign of judgment and this New Testament use of tongues if for the same purpose. Speaking in tongues would have ceased in the 1st century, probably when God judged Israel through the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

God bless,
Mick

[arthwollipot]

Except that it didn't cease, and we still see people trying to do it today, which is why I wondered how your post linked to the OP.

[SatanicSheep]

Huh... Seems this would take a particularly bold con artist and a particularly moronic/insane group of marks to be even remotely believable.

Is it a constructed language at all? Wouldn't the faithful make even a marginal effort at consistant translation? Is it limited to subject matter known in the past by Aramaic speakers or is it like Korean or Tagalog where you can here unmistakable loan words?

[Drewbot]

I can not imagine how frightened and confused a child of 7 would be, if their father or mother stood up next to them, and started into some confusing talk. "mom? why are you talking like that?, are you OK."

But, you know, that old Mom was so smart and so slick. She thought up a lie,
he thought it up quick!
"Oh yes, I'm infused with the holy spirit! he sent an angel to speak through me, it was wonderful"

[arthwollipot]

Huh... Seems this would take a particularly bold con artist and a particularly moronic/insane group of marks to be even remotely believable.I'm not sure that's an accurate description of Pentecostal Christians, but...

Is it a constructed language at all?Nope, it's just babbling.

Wouldn't the faithful make even a marginal effort at consistant translation?Not translation, interpretation.

1Cr 14:13: For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says.

Since speaking in tongues is prophecy, a direct translation is neither required nor desired. And it wouldn't work anyway because it's just babbling.

I recall one day in church, during worship, some old guy stood up and shouted out "Allablabakablalamannalamamaclambalapapalla!" There was a slight pause, and the pastor hesitantly asked the crowd "...does anyone have a translation?" Someone else got up and said "uh... for God loved the world that... uh, he sent his only son... his only begotten son..."

Is it limited to subject matter known in the past by Aramaic speakers or is it like Korean or Tagalog where you can here unmistakable loan words?No, it's just babbling.

[Yeggster]

I can not imagine how frightened and confused a child of 7 would be, if their father or mother stood up next to them, and started into some confusing talk. "mom? why are you talking like that?, are you OK."

But, you know, that old Mom was so smart and so slick. She thought up a lie,
he thought it up quick!
"Oh yes, I'm infused with the holy spirit! he sent an angel to speak through me, it was wonderful"

I think some kids might posibly be traumitized in some way ... but probably most kids would think it's just another silly uniteresting thing adults do.

[fossilhound]

Saw it when I was a kid once or twice. Silly, silly, silly. Started giggling so much my mom sent me out. Dad took the belt to me when I got home. Jesus is love.