Is Obama Unbeatable Next Time Around?

[Bill Thompson]

Is Obama unbeatable next time around? I ask this not because of the power of Our Leader but because it seems that GOP front-runners are wack jobs.

Let me see, who do The Republicans have:

Mitt Romney. Come on, a grown man who admits to being a Mormon? There must be something about this religion that I am missing. Mormons are great people. I do not judge Mormons by Mormonism. I mean, I work with them and some are my best friends. None better. But since we are in a war fighting a theocracy, why have a theocrat for president? Doesn't that make us hypocrites? Apart from that, consider this. The whole concept of someone who is raised as a Mormon is to believe in American exceptionalism. This view of the human race in two dimensional good-guy vs. bad-guy perspective is not one that should be in The White House. I could write a blog about Mitt and I will. But if you think he would make a good president, I would like to hear from you.
Mike Huckabee. I thought he was OK until I knew how Dark Ages his view on homosexuality. He thinks homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt babies. He won't get the Republican Nomination, I think.
Sarah Palin. OK, what is GOOD about her? If you know, tell me. I don't know. Maybe there is something good about her being president. Maybe you are a feminist and gold will rain down from the sky once the USA has a woman president. That argument does not work for Hillary Clinton and it does not work for Sarah Palin.
Since this web forum is a simmering caldron of whitehot conservatism and no better place exists for me to post this question, let me ask you this. Whom do the Replicians have currently in line to be a good president?

[Freddy]

Is Obama unbeatable next time around? I ask this not because of the power of Our Leader but because it seems that GOP front-runners are wack jobs.

Let me see, who do The Republicans have:

Mitt Romney. Come on, a grown man who admits to being a Mormon? There must be something about this religion that I am missing. Mormons are great people. I do not judge Mormons by Mormonism. I mean, I work with them and some are my best friends. None better. But since we are in a war fighting a theocracy, why have a theocrat for president? Doesn't that make us hypocrites? Apart from that, consider this. The whole concept of someone who is raised as a Mormon is to believe in American exceptionalism. This view of the human race in two dimensional good-guy vs. bad-guy perspective is not one that should be in The White House. I could write a blog about Mitt and I will. But if you think he would make a good president, I would like to hear from you.
Mike Huckabee. I thought he was OK until I knew how Dark Ages his view on homosexuality. He thinks homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt babies. He won't get the Republican Nomination, I think.
Sarah Palin. OK, what is GOOD about her? If you know, tell me. I don't know. Maybe there is something good about her being president. Maybe you are a feminist and gold will rain down from the sky once the USA has a woman president. That argument does not work for Hillary Clinton and it does not work for Sarah Palin.

Since this web forum is a simmering caldron of whitehot conservatism and no better place exists for me to post this question, let me ask you this. Whom do the Replicians have currently in line to be a good president?

I agree regarding Huckabee and Palin, but what evidence do you have that Romney would be a theocrat? That seems baseless to me. The guy has a track record, and last I checked he did not try to turn Massachusetts into a mormon state. People often compartmentalize their religious beliefs. To get elected as a Mormon in Massachusetts, it's pretty much a prerequisite.

[thaiboxerken]

Romney might not be a theocrat, but he's clearly nuts to oppose legislation that mirrors legislation that he passed in Mass.

[KingMerv00]

I agree regarding Huckabee and Palin, but what evidence do you have that Romney would be a theocrat?

I was thinking the same thing.

Feels weird to defend conservatives from Bill of all people.

[Darth Rotor]

Of course Obama is beatable: he has another two plus years to go, and opportunities to succeed famously, or screw up massively. If he does the latter, he can be beat. If the former, however, the major opposition to him, the GOP, is fragmented enough at present that it won't be able to beat much of anyone.

DR

[MaGZ]

Any Republican nominated for POTUS will beat Obama.

[Bill Thompson]

Any Republican nominated for POTUS will beat Obama.

McCain. I mean, if the past is any indication of the future, you are wrong.

I was thinking the same thing.

Feels weird to defend conservatives from Bill of all people.

Don't know ya, man.

So I don't know how you can say you know me well enough to make such a comment.
I agree regarding Huckabee and Palin, but what evidence do you have that Romney would be a theocrat? That seems baseless to me. The guy has a track record, and last I checked he did not try to turn Massachusetts into a mormon state. People often compartmentalize their religious beliefs. To get elected as a Mormon in Massachusetts, it's pretty much a prerequisite.

I think you have your states mixed up just because he is from Massachusetts. Utah is the Mormon headquarters.

Also there is a huge difference between running a state and running a country. Running a state is just a job. Being the "leader of the free world" is different. People associate "America" overseas with "Obama" because he is president.

His Mormonism seems to me to be the reason behind his hard stance against immigration. There does not seem to be any other reason behind it. You know, Mormons are (well, officially "were") big on skin color as a way of determining if God blessed or cursed you. The historic stance of the LDS church regarding race would make the KKK look saintly. I know, lots of Mormons would not believe this truth because they do not know better. But Romney and the American people should know better.

His Mormonism seems to me to be the reason behind his hard stance against medical marijuana. There does not seem to be any other reason behind it. All I can think to explain his views is that he thinks that his space-alien heavenly father from the planet Kollob (no joke or exaggeration) forbids it.

We should not judge our friends or co-workers by their religion. But the presidency is a different deal. It is, in fact, even more personal than a friend or someone we know first-hand. At what point do we draw a line when deciding who will be the personification of the United States to the rest of the world? Would a Scientologist be ok? Would a Raelian? Would a Heaven's Gate member? Would a Branch Davidian?

Being a governor or a mayor is not like being The President of the USA.

[Upchurch]

Of course Obama is beatable: he has another two plus years to go, and opportunities to succeed famously, or screw up massively. If he does the latter, he can be beat. If the former, however, the major opposition to him, the GOP, is fragmented enough at present that it won't be able to beat much of anyone.

DR
There is the third possibility that he simple keeps it together. In which case, I figure a fragmented GOP still doesn't have much of a chance.

[MaGZ]

Of course Obama is beatable: he has another two plus years to go, and opportunities to succeed famously, or screw up massively. If he does the latter, he can be beat. If the former, however, the major opposition to him, the GOP, is fragmented enough at present that it won't be able to beat much of anyone.

DR

Could you give me a scenario how Obama can get out of the hole he is in other than making 30 million illegals citizens?

[Upchurch]

Any Republican nominated for POTUS will beat Obama.

...except McCain, apparently.

[MaGZ]

The only way Obama could win reelection would be a serious third party or independent run to split the Obama opposition vote.

[KingMerv00]

The only way Obama could win reelection would be a serious third party or independent run to split the Obama opposition vote.

I don't think Obama's victory is certain by any means but what makes you so confident he will lose?

[thaiboxerken]

Could you give me a scenario how Obama can get out of the hole he is in other than making 30 million illegals citizens?


What hole? Obama seems to be unpopular only to the Tea Party and Fox News.

[Regnad Kcin]

Mitt "I was for it before I was against it" Romney? It is to laugh.

[Number Six]

I think the people that feel very confident Obama will win or will lose in 2012 are guessing. We're way to far away to tell what things will be like then.

And as far as the GOP nominee goes, at this stage in the last cycle (early 2006) nobody would have guessed that Obama would be the Democratic nominee so I don't think it's safe to assume the 2012 GOP nominee will come automatically from a short list we can name now.

And I think Romney's Mormonism hurts him little if any. Romney comes off sane (in the conventionally religious sense) and Mormons have a reputation for being nice and clean cut. If you dig in to Mormon beliefs maybe you come up with some crazy stuff but that can be said of any religion. People don't dig in that deep though so it doesn't matter.

[MaGZ]

I don't think Obama's victory is certain by any means but what makes you so confident he will lose?

Obama is a known quantity now. Of course he will win the majority of minority votes and diehard Dems next time, but non-racist Whites who voted for him last time will shop around. Independents will bolt.

A strong third challenge could get him reelected.

[WildCat]

He's unbeatable if either of those 3 - Palin, Romney, and Huckabee end up with the GOP nomination.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see an independent candidate make a big splash in 2012, due to the GOP rapidly becoming the party of fundies and kooks.

[WildCat]

The guy has a track record, and last I checked he did not try to turn Massachusetts into a mormon state. People often compartmentalize their religious beliefs. To get elected as a Mormon in Massachusetts, it's pretty much a prerequisite.
I think you have your states mixed up just because he is from Massachusetts.
Read the bolded as one sentence, I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

The only way Obama could win reelection would be a serious third party or independent run to split the Obama opposition vote.

Actually, it seems the closer we get to the midterm elections the more the Tea Party seems as if it wants to challenge the current GOP for dominance of the party. That's something that could create serious problems for national politics in 2012 if they don't get this sorted.

ETA: By "problems" I mean polarizing registered Republicans and painting the Democrats as the party of moderates which could drive more independants to vote Democrat. We'll see as it gets closer to 2012 but I somehow doubt the Republicans are going to offer a strong showing to contest the presidency.

[MaGZ]

What hole? Obama seems to be unpopular only to the Tea Party and Fox News.

His approval rating is under 50% at least that is what the polls claim. He is probably in worse shape than reported since many will not want to be consider racist in replying to a survey on approval of the President.

When it comes to race, Whites are not honest with pollsters.

David Duke always did better on election day compared to previous polling.

[elbe]

He's unbeatable if either of those 3 - Palin, Romney, and Huckabee end up with the GOP nomination.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see an independent candidate make a big splash in 2012, due to the GOP rapidly becoming the party of fundies and kooks.

I'd like to think the republicans can get their house in order by the 2016 election; the 2012 is probably just not enough time. They may have to just sacrifice any real chance at the white house in 2012 and try to focus on congress. But who knows what will happen in the next year or two.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

His approval rating is under 50% at least that is what the polls claim. He is probably in worse shape than reported since many will not want to be consider racist in replying to a survey on approval of the President.

That doesn't make any sense, if they're afraid of being considered racists when answering an anonymous poll they aren't going to be any less afraid when they go to vote.

[MaGZ]

Actually, it seems the closer we get to the midterm elections the more the Tea Party seems as if it wants to challenge the current GOP for dominance of the party. That's something that could create serious problems for national politics in 2012 if they don't get this sorted.

ETA: By "problems" I mean polarizing registered Republicans and painting the Democrats as the party of moderates which could drive more independants to vote Democrat. We'll see as it gets closer to 2012 but I somehow doubt the Republicans are going to offer a strong showing to contest the presidency.

It looks as if the Tea Party is in the process of purging moderate Republicans. The GOP could become their party. I don't see the Tea Party going independent. That would ruin their objective of removing Obama.

Could the Dems and the media push someone secretly as a third choice?
A Bloomberg/Crist ticket?

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

It looks as if the Tea Party is in the process of purging moderate Republicans. The GOP could become their party. I don't see the Tea Party going independent. That would ruin their objective of removing Obama.

That's actually exactly what I was referring to. The Tea Party is purging moderate Republicans and moderate support in general. If the Republicans think they can win the next election by pushing as far right as they can they're looking forward to a humiliating 2012 defeat.

[Ziggurat]

Mitt Romney. Come on, a grown man who admits to being a Mormon? There must be something about this religion that I am missing. Mormons are great people. I do not judge Mormons by Mormonism. I mean, I work with them and some are my best friends. None better. But since we are in a war fighting a theocracy, why have a theocrat for president? Doesn't that make us hypocrites?

No. We aren't fighting radical Islam simply because they are a theocracy. Otherwise, we'd have very different diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

Apart from that, consider this. The whole concept of someone who is raised as a Mormon is to believe in American exceptionalism. This view of the human race in two dimensional good-guy vs. bad-guy perspective is not one that should be in The White House.

Regardless of your personal views on the matter, embracing American exceptionalism is not exactly electoral suicide. In fact, it plays pretty well, if done right (Pat Buchanan does it wrong, Reagan did it right).

I could write a blog about Mitt and I will. But if you think he would make a good president, I would like to hear from you.

I don't know if he would make a good president. But your explanation for why he wouldn't be a good candidate don't wash. His biggest liability in this regard is probably RomneyCare, not anything you mentioned. The distinction between candidate and president are quite real, so don't confuse them. I think Obama is a lousy president (yes, I know that opinion is not universal, that's not my point), but he was undoubtedly a great candidate in 2008 (he might not be in 2012, we'll see).

[Bill Thompson]

When it comes to race, Whites are not honest with pollsters.


:jaw-dropp

Ironic anti-racist racist comment?

[Bill Thompson]

No. We aren't fighting radical Islam simply because they are a theocracy. Otherwise, we'd have very different diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

We do. We have had. Lincoln's Cabinet and staffers wrote about the Catholic influence on America and the Confederacy. The Vatican and the French have been blamed for incouraging the Confederacy. The Vatican were clearly on the side of the South in the Civil war.

Non-catholic Christians are not bitter towards Catholics for religious religions, it is the fact that Catholics (perhaps more in the past than now) are not so thrilled about the seperation of church and state.

THere are countless anti-catholic american websites that talk about how Americans have butted heads with Catholics.

Another historic point is to study is how being a catholic almost kept JFK out of office.

You should also see how Lincoln fought the Mormons. Thanks for reminding me. I should put that into any blog I write.

Let me add this. It seems that when more Catholic immigrants came into this country, the anti-catholic majority became less vocal. Also, nowdays people call themselves "catholic" without realy thinking the Pope the supernatural being they once thought he was.


Regardless of your personal views on the matter, embracing American exceptionalism is not exactly electoral suicide. In fact, it plays pretty well, if done right (Pat Buchanan does it wrong, Reagan did it right).


I am not so sure Mitt Romney will be a Reagan more than a Buchanan.



I don't know if he would make a good president. But your explanation for why he wouldn't be a good candidate don't wash.

Read some of my later posts in this discussion thread if you have not done so. I did not elaborate in the OP because I did not know if people were going to support someone else.

And I think we are fighting radical Islam simply because they are a theocracy but if we are not, we should be.

[MikeMangum]

Q: "Is Obama unbeatable next time around?"

A: Hardly. Depending on how things go he might not even win his own party's nomination.

[thaiboxerken]

When it comes to race, Whites are not honest with pollsters.

That's not racist....:rolleyes:

[Bill Thompson]

Originally Posted by Bill Thompson http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5886212#post5886212)

Originally Posted by Freddy http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5886130#post5886130)
The guy has a track record, and last I checked he did not try to turn Massachusetts into a mormon state. People often compartmentalize their religious beliefs. To get elected as a Mormon in Massachusetts, it's pretty much a prerequisite.

I think you have your states mixed up just because he is from Massachusetts.

Read the bolded as one sentence, I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying.


People often compartmentalize their religious beliefs. But for some religions that preach against such things (Mormonism and Islam) that is a Catch 22. Wearing such faiths on your sleave makes you look like a fanatic. Not doing so makes you look like you are less faithful of the faiths teachings and thus dishonest. Imagine: "I am a Mormon but I do not believe all that golden book given to an angel thing" or "I am a Muslim but I don't believe in praying 5 times a day and fasting for a month".

This Catch 22 was at play in making John Kerry look dishonest. He is a Catholic. ANd yet he supports Abortion. He was in an unwinnable situation.

[applecorped]

Scott Brown?

[Bill Thompson]

Q: "Is Obama unbeatable next time around?"

A: Hardly. Depending on how things go he might not even win his own party's nomination.

ooooooo. I did not think of that. Has that happened a lot before?

[elbe]

ooooooo. I did not think of that. Has that happened a lot before?

Incumbency offers an edge, and with how polarized this nation has become I bet they'd want every edge they can get.

[Bill Thompson]

Scott Brown?

He was that guy who changed the ballance of power, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Brown

[Bill Thompson]

Incumbency offers an edge, and with how polarized this nation has become I bet they'd want every edge they can get.

So, well, who would the Dems pick?

[Bill Thompson]

Scott Brown?

Oh, sorry, is he a potential candidate?

[MikeMangum]

ooooooo. I did not think of that. Has that happened a lot before?

Not in over 100 years. I would imagine the chances for it happening with Obama are very slim, but who knows what another year will bring?

[Upchurch]

Q: "Is Obama unbeatable next time around?"

A: Hardly. Depending on how things go he might not even win his own party's nomination.
Riiiiight, 'cause that would ever happen.

[willhaven]

Scott Brown?
The pro-choice pro-Romneycare guy? The right wouldn't want him to run for president. Ron Paul is more likely to get the nomination than Brown.

Brown is waaaaaay too centrist for how hardcore the right has swung since the Obama administration took the helm. They'd Scozzafava his ass in an instant.

[INRM]

Yes, for the simple reason that corporations can give unlimited amounts of money to political campaings; the fact that almost all of the stimulus budget is unspent and that the requirements dictate all of it be used by early 2012; and Obama and his administration have been putting pressure on Financial institutions bailed out to support said administration.

[Dorian Gray]

Being a governor or a mayor is not like being The President of the USA. Yet 4 of the last 6 presidents were governors. In fact, of the last 10 presidents, 4 were governors, 4 were senators and 2 were congressmen. In another fact, the only presidents in the last 100 years who weren't one of those three were Taft who was a Supreme Court Chief Justice, Hoover who was a Secretary of Commerce, and Eisenhower who was a general.

[Dorian Gray]

Mitt "I was for it before I was against it" Romney? It is to laugh. Mitt "How is my health care policy different from Obama's" Romney? It is to laugh.

[Dorian Gray]

Palin will run one way or another, so whoever the GOP nominates, either the conservatives will split, or the GOP will have Palin as their candidate.
:dl:

[Ziggurat]

We do. We have had. Lincoln's Cabinet and staffers wrote about the Catholic influence on America and the Confederacy. The Vatican and the French have been blamed for incouraging the Confederacy. The Vatican were clearly on the side of the South in the Civil war.

Which was how many years ago now?

THere are countless anti-catholic american websites that talk about how Americans have butted heads with Catholics.

And there are countless websites that talk about alien abduction. You think that's somehow indicative that the US government treats Catholics the same way it treats Islamic terrorists? Please.

And I think we are fighting radical Islam simply because they are a theocracy but if we are not, we should be.

Well, you're completely wrong. We're fighting them because they attacked us, not because they are a theocracy. We don't really care what they do among themselves, if they keep it to themselves, but they don't. That problem of spill-over violence is not unique to (or even universally true of) theocracies either.

[gabeygoat]

i kinda see it as a replay of Clinton/Republican Revolution, but weaker. at least the Revolution had a platform (gingrich's pile of crap), whereas modern republicans basically stand for doing nothing about anything.
anyhoo, back to Clinton.. he was unpopular at the begining, 'specially for trying to fix healh care. same with Obama, 'cept he actually got a lil bit done. the GOP will attract enough racists to win back congress, but it will only empower Obama in the same bizarre way it empowered Clinton

[Regnad Kcin]

Anyway, Mr. Obama will easily win the nomination and comfortably win reelection.

[Dorian Gray]

I agree. Biden, on the other hand, has absolutely no chance of succeeding Obama.

[Galileo]

Is Obama unbeatable next time around? I ask this not because of the power of Our Leader but because it seems that GOP front-runners are wack jobs.

Let me see, who do The Republicans have:

Mitt Romney. Come on, a grown man who admits to being a Mormon? There must be something about this religion that I am missing. Mormons are great people. I do not judge Mormons by Mormonism. I mean, I work with them and some are my best friends. None better. But since we are in a war fighting a theocracy, why have a theocrat for president? Doesn't that make us hypocrites? Apart from that, consider this. The whole concept of someone who is raised as a Mormon is to believe in American exceptionalism. This view of the human race in two dimensional good-guy vs. bad-guy perspective is not one that should be in The White House. I could write a blog about Mitt and I will. But if you think he would make a good president, I would like to hear from you.
Mike Huckabee. I thought he was OK until I knew how Dark Ages his view on homosexuality. He thinks homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt babies. He won't get the Republican Nomination, I think.
Sarah Palin. OK, what is GOOD about her? If you know, tell me. I don't know. Maybe there is something good about her being president. Maybe you are a feminist and gold will rain down from the sky once the USA has a woman president. That argument does not work for Hillary Clinton and it does not work for Sarah Palin.
Since this web forum is a simmering caldron of whitehot conservatism and no better place exists for me to post this question, let me ask you this. Whom do the Replicians have currently in line to be a good president?

Ron Paul is only 1% behind Obama in the polls right now. Nice bias. With the new Obama scandal breaking, that spells doom.

:)

[Upchurch]

Ron Paul is only 1% behind Obama in the polls right now. Nice bias. With the new Obama scandal breaking, that speels doom.

:)
Sorry, what polls are those? What new scandal?

[thaiboxerken]

Sorry, what polls are those? What new scandal?

Have you not had the displeasure of trying to have a rational discussion with Galileo yet?

[Galileo]

Sorry, what polls are those? What new scandal?

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

Breaking News: National Enquirer says Obama has cheated on his wife
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242602

:dc_unhappy: :dc_shocked: :dc_hmm: :dc_angry:

[thaiboxerken]

National Enquirer!!

[Galileo]

National Enquirer!!

Yep, those are the folks who said John Edwards was cheating on his wife.

:boggled:

[thaiboxerken]

Yep, those are the folks who said John Edwards was cheating on his wife.

:boggled:

They also report on the antic of Bat-boy.

Have you read the "article" that the National Enquirer wrote? Anti-Obama people are offering $1million to some key people to say that Obama cheated on his wife....

[elbe]

They also report on the antic of Bat-boy.

...The Weekly World News reported on Bat Boy, the enquirer is a celebrity gossip rag.

[Galileo]

Anti-Obama people are offering $1million to some key people to say that Obama cheated on his wife....

Do you have a problem with capitalism? So does Obama.

:Dancing_biggrin:

[Ziggurat]

They also report on the antic of Bat-boy.

Actually, that was Weekly World News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29).

Edit: damn, elbe beat me to it.

[Lex Luthor]

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the candidate will come from the ranks of Romney, Palin, or Huckabee. How many people thought that Barack Obama would win the Democratic nomination four years ago? Nearly everybody assumed that it would be Hillary Clinton.

There's a very good chance that it will be a completely new face that wins the Republican nomination. I'll be rooting for Representative Paul Ryan from Wisconsin (although at 40 years old, he might be a little on the young side for the job).

[Brainster]

Obama can be beaten; of the last five presidents, two of them were beaten in their attempt at reelection. I would put his chances of winning in 2012 at about 60%. Of course, if he were running this year, I'd say he would be no more than an even shot.

[Puppycow]

The only person I can think of that might be able to beat Obama unless he has a major new scandal is Petraeus, and I don't know if he's even interested.

The usual political suspects all seem to have serious flaws as candidates.

So, yes, I think Obama will be reelected.

[peptoabysmal]

I think the 2012 election is Obama's to win or lose. He would have to majorly f*** things up to lose. His policies probably won't ruin the economy in time to spoil the election. By the end of his second term, we will be wondering what we were thinking by re-electing Obama.

On the GOP side, sadly there isn't a good contender yet. Maybe Ron Paul is our only hope. :D

[willhaven]

Ron Paul is only 1% behind Obama in the polls right now.The republicans would never nominate Paul. It just won't happen.

And I like Paul for the most part.

[Alt+F4]

And I think Romney's Mormonism hurts him little if any. Romney comes off sane (in the conventionally religious sense) and Mormons have a reputation for being nice and clean cut. If you dig in to Mormon beliefs maybe you come up with some crazy stuff but that can be said of any religion. People don't dig in that deep though so it doesn't matter.

Romney was a Mormon missionary in France while his religion still banned black men from becoming priests in the Mormon church. My question to him would be: Did you actually believe and preach this while you were a missionary?

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Do you have a problem with capitalism? So does Obama.

:Dancing_biggrin:

That's not capitalism kiddo that's bribery.

[shadron]

Sorry, what polls are those? What new scandal?

I think it has to do with Obama writing a book called Dialog Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, in which he calls the pope Herr Simplicio, and puts all kinds of stupid words in his mouth. And the pope is pissed.

[shadron]

Breaking News: National Enquirer says Obama has cheated on his wife
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242602

There is another thread on this; apparently the story is 2 years old, from before the election, and when the Enquirer floated it then it gained no traction, despite warnings about multi-millions available to anyone with verifiable insider rubbish.

[Darth Rotor]

Could you give me a scenario how Obama can get out of the hole he is in other than making 30 million illegals citizens?

He's in a hole? How so?

[Darth Rotor]

ooooooo. I did not think of that. Has that happened a lot before?

LBJ

[Darth Rotor]

I agree. Biden, on the other hand, has absolutely no chance of succeeding Obama.
James Garfield wept.

Biden has the same chance as the lead plebiscite has in succeeding -- quite small, but greater than zero.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Romney was a Mormon missionary in France while his religion still banned black men from becoming priests in the Mormon church. My question to him would be: Did you actually believe and preach this while you were a missionary?
People are not static quantities: they learn, they grow, they develop. Why would you assume that he liked that restriction at the time, or is unhappy with the change in the Mormon church since then, or that particular sub element of Mormon doctrine is or was part of the missionary evangelization package?

I think we have a few former Mormons who post on these boards, maybe they can enlighten us. (RandFan once was, I think a few others as well).

DR

[Bill Thompson]

LBJ
When LBJ left office it was because he decided not to go for the nominataion because of Vietnam.

[Bill Thompson]

Anyway, Mr. Obama will easily win the nomination and comfortably win reelection.

Then we might have to alter the timeline like we had to do when Kerry won. Remember when Kerry won and Edwards eventually became president? Remember how the world spiraled out of control then? I hope the same thing won't happen in Obama's second term.

On the other hand, if there is no Republican who is worthy to be president, we might just leave the timeline alone. Besides, timeline alteration technology is expensive.

[NoScotsman]

Predicting the Presidential winner two years out is a fool's errand. So...let me be the first to answer!

But seriously, Obama looks golden ... unless a serious 3rd party candidate emerges.

[Upchurch]

Then we might have to alter the timeline like we had to do when Kerry won. Remember when Kerry won and Edwards eventually became president? Remember how the world spiraled out of control then? I hope the same thing won't happen in Obama's second term.
That doesn't even make sense as a comparison. Kerry wasn't the incumbent (which, historically, has the advantage). Although, I will grant you that the opposition party is just as disorganized.

[Darth Rotor]

When LBJ left office it was because he decided not to go for the nominataion because of Vietnam.
Bill, there was a reason that a crafty and seasoned pol like LBJ stepped aside: he knew he was not going to get the nom of his party. He forecasted that, so he stepped aside rather than

1. Lose (which many saw as inevitable)
2. Screw his party over by remaining in the thick of it ... not that it really mattered, with the solid win Nixon had over Humphrey.

DR

[MattusMaximus]

I agree. Biden, on the other hand, has absolutely no chance of succeeding Obama.

It'll be Hillary Clinton for the Dems in 2016. The fact that she's kicking major ass now as the Secretary of State is going to make her very hard to beat - that, and the fact that Obama's gotten that whole health care thing out of the way.

[MattusMaximus]

Predicting the Presidential winner two years out is a fool's errand. So...let me be the first to answer!

But seriously, Obama looks golden

I generally agree. Until the GOP can get its **** together and stop being the party of ABO (Anything But Obama), they are not going to make serious gains. They'll pick up some seats in Congress, maybe even take control of the House, but they're screwed in 2012 unless they start coming up with something better than ABO.

Not to mention, with whackjobs like Palin leading the GOP field in terms of potential nominees... well, you get the idea.

... unless a serious 3rd party candidate emerges.

I think if any serious 3rd party candidate emerges, it will be on the conservative or Tea Party side, as most liberals are smart enough to know that if they abandon Obama in 2012 they're basically slitting their own political throats.

So 2012 could easily be 1996 all over again, but I don't think Obama has to count on a 3rd party candidate to help him assure victory.

We'll see... 2012 is a long way off.

[MattusMaximus]

Obama can be beaten; of the last five presidents, two of them were beaten in their attempt at reelection. I would put his chances of winning in 2012 at about 60%. Of course, if he were running this year, I'd say he would be no more than an even shot.

This. Except I will say that if the economy continues to improve, by 2012 his chances for winning will be closer to 70-80%, and I think the Dems could regain much lost ground in the 2010 elections.

[dudalb]

Interesting that in the GOP primaries yesterday, the "Establishment" candidates won.
A sign that maybe the economic recovery is beginning to calm people's anger.

[MattusMaximus]

Interesting that in the GOP primaries yesterday, the "Establishment" candidates won.
A sign that maybe the economic recovery is beginning to calm people's anger.

Really? I hadn't heard that. That's very interesting... I wonder how the Tea Party folks will react? Will we see more 3rd party candidates in the general elections as a result?

Dudalb, do you have any links on this?

[dudalb]

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20100505/f93aa209-3f76-4117-93f4-4cc48b48e043