Very interesting article.

[Skeptic]

Here (http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=174104), about what the PA, Abbas and Fayyad are doing against incitement and hate in the PA. Apparently, there is something new under the sun: they aren't doing enough, nearly enough, true. But they are doing significantly more than others did before.

I tend to agree with the article. But it should be noted that the article quite correctly explicitly denies that Israeli hypocrisy is remotely as bad as the Palestinian one. But still, one should acknowledge what is in fact done.

[Skeptic]

The tragedy, as I see it, is this. Abbas and Fayyad are giving out conflicting signs. One is that they want a state and peace. The other is that they want a base for the "Staged plan".

Who are they lying to -- their own people, or to the Israelies? Do they mouth the old Jews-to-the-sea cliches in official ceremonies but de facto act for peace, or is the action for peace a cover for their real death-to-the-Jews goal?

Now, I admit that their peace signs are more serious (precisely because they are less public and more "in the field") than ever before.

The problem is, with Arafat's legacy of speaking of peace and doing war -- and the legacy of Hamas taking over all Palestinian areas the moment they're left by the Jews -- how can we (a) possibly believe the PLO, and (b) even if we could, trust it to stay in power more than two weeks until the Hamas takeover?

[Thunder]

booooooring.

[funk de fino]

Hypocrisy all around

A lot of people around here saying things like that get cast as anti-Israel.

[Skeptic]

No, people who note Israel does thing wrong too are not necessarily anti-Israeli.

The anti-Israelies are people who claim -- which the the reader of the article explicitly denies -- that the fact that both sides are imperfect means they are EQUALLY imperfect, e.g., that the fraud known as the Oslo "peace" process, from the start intended as part of the "staged plan" for Israel's destruction by Arafat, is the same as Israel not fulfilling 100% of its commitments to this agreement once it became clear it was a big hoax.

Noting both sides are imperfect and willing to move forward is one thing. Noting what the other side is doing better than expected is one thing. Moral equivelancy is not the same thing.

To give the usual example, the USA and Nazi Germany in WWII both did some things wrong. But that hardly means they were equivalent.

[Thunder]

To give the usual example, the USA and Nazi Germany in WWII both did some things wrong. But that hardly means they were equivalent.

on this, I agree with you. it would be unfare to compare Israel to Nazi Germany. Apartheid South Africa and the Jim Crow South is much more appropriate.