I am feeling patriotic today

[Snide]

A Russian woman with whom I work is no longer a Russian. She was sworn in as an American yesterday.

She had red, white and blue decorations at her cubicle this morning. Cake, ice cream and other goodies were served there.

When I went to get some treats, there was a bit of a crowd at her desk congratulating her. Among the first to show up were other workers who are originally from southeast Asia and the Middle East. They weren't even regular co-workers with this woman, but were there right away to congratulate her. I thought that was cool, if only coincidental (but I doubt the latter).

It made me feel pretty good.

OK, now, back to the WMDs, Al Franken, and the Minimum Wage...

[Tmy]

She wont be so happy when she gets picked for jury duty!!!!!!!


Did you ask her what she thinks about sealing our boarders?

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Tmy
Did you ask her what she thinks about sealing our boarders?
I say if they don't pay their rent, we are perfectly within our rights to seal them in their rooms.

[Snide]

Originally posted by Tmy
She wont be so happy when she gets picked for jury duty!!!!!!!


Did you ask her what she thinks about sealing our boarders?
Stop it! You're spoiling the mood! Save it for tomorrow... :p

[Hexxenhammer]

How 'bout that? A story that is actually patriotic instead of nationalism disguised as patriotism. Good job!

[Tmy]

So instead of working you all hung out eating cake and drinking vodka.!

Do we need any more proof that immigrants disrupt the economy!

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Snide
A Russian woman with whom I work is no longer a Russian. She was sworn in as an American yesterday.

You don't stop being Russian because you become an American citizen. You might no longer be a Russian citizen, but you are still Russian.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Cleon


You don't stop being Russian because you become an American citizen. You might no longer be a Russian citizen, but you are still Russian.

I think I stopped being Russian and became American. I don't see why you would continue being something you don't associate yourself with.

[Abdul Alhazred]

What's-his-name bless America!

I am ancestrally a vile thing from the inky abyss, but I'm 100% American with no hyphen!

I'm still vile and so forth, and I haven't in any way repudiated my abyssal background.

I don't have to.

That's what's so wonderful about America! :D

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/Cthulhu.gif

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred
What's-his-name bless America!

I am ancestrally a vile thing from the inky abyss, but I'm 100% American with no hyphen!



I thought you were a mad arab?

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I think I stopped being Russian and became American. I don't see why you would continue being something you don't associate yourself with.

Where you come from is part of who you are.

I'm from Pittsburgh. I live in Atlanta, with no plans to move back.

I haven't stopped being from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania just because I live in Georgia.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Cleon


Where you come from is part of who you are.

I'm from Pittsburgh. I live in Atlanta, with no plans to move back.

I haven't stopped being from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania just because I live in Georgia.

I disagree. I consider myself American, yes you can trace where I am originally from but it would be stupid to label someone strictly by their past.

[Snide]

Originally posted by Cleon


You don't stop being Russian because you become an American citizen. You might no longer be a Russian citizen, but you are still Russian.
You are correct, which is why I said, with that in mind, "no longer a Russian," instead of "no longer Russian."

[Snide]

Originally posted by Tmy
So instead of working you all hung out eating cake and drinking vodka.!

Do we need any more proof that immigrants disrupt the economy!
But we did it on our breaks! Except for sipping some of the vodka at our desks...

[Cleon]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I disagree. I consider myself American, yes you can trace where I am originally from but it would be stupid to label someone strictly by their past.

"Stupid" or not (you're such a charming fellow), as I said, where you're from is part of who you are.

[Tmy]

Remeber the American taliban guy? If he renounced his citizenship (no sure how you do that) could he then not be charged with treason?

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Cleon


"Stupid" or not (you're such a charming fellow), as I said, where you're from is part of who you are.

Well I'm sorry you think that, but I just don't feel Russian at all.

[Snide]

Originally posted by Cleon


"Stupid" or not (you're such a charming fellow), as I said, where you're from is part of who you are.
Again, I agree (thus, as noted above, "a" Russian). In this woman's case, she changed her name to an easier-to-spell-and-pronounce "American" name, but told us we can call her by her Russian name as well. She is proud of her heritage, as well as her new status.

She is an inspirational woman.

[schplurg]

I'll take a shot at this...

I think you need to differentiate between Russian (or whatever nation) as a race, and Russian as a nationality.

Say, for instance, that I was born in Italy. When I was 11 years old I moved to England and became a citizen. Right.

THEN at age 25 I decided to move to the USA and become a citizen there instead. I'm no longer considered "English" am I? I would be of Italian ancestry by birth, and American by way of my nationality.

In the context of the post above describing the Russian woman now as an American, as far as her nationality goes, I would say this is true. Of course she is still Russian by birth - or are we assuming that she is? Not everyone born in Russia is of Russian ancestry.

I would be interested in what this woman's own views are on the subject. We apparently have one person on this board who no longer considers himself Russian after gaining American citizenship.

I think gaining citizenship here seems to be losing its importance, especially considering all the bad immigration legislation that has been proposed in recent years. Making a commitment like that to ones country should be encouraged, earned and rewarded.

[Snide]

Originally posted by schplurg

In the context of the post above describing the Russian woman now as an American, as far as her nationality goes, I would say this is true. Of course she is still Russian by birth - or are we assuming that she is? Not everyone born in Russia is of Russian ancestry.

She was born in Russia.


I would be interested in what this woman's own views are on the subject.

Her name change shed a little light, if I take the liberty of making some inferences, but not much.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by schplurg
I'll take a shot at this...

I think you need to differentiate between Russian (or whatever nation) as a race, and Russian as a nationality.

Say, for instance, that I was born in Italy. When I was 11 years old I moved to England and became a citizen. Right.

THEN at age 25 I decided to move to the USA and become a citizen there instead. I'm no longer considered "English" am I? I would be of Italian ancestry by birth, and American by way of my nationality.

In the context of the post above describing the Russian woman now as an American, as far as her nationality goes, I would say this is true. Of course she is still Russian by birth - or are we assuming that she is? Not everyone born in Russia is of Russian ancestry.

I would be interested in what this woman's own views are on the subject. We apparently have one person on this board who no longer considers himself Russian after gaining American citizenship.

I think gaining citizenship here seems to be losing its importance, especially considering all the bad immigration legislation that has been proposed in recent years. Making a commitment like that to ones country should be encouraged, earned and rewarded.

I admit that I may be an oddity. I had a long argument with my friend about this. He was born here but he considered himself Korean. He couldn't understand how I have no attachment to Russia whatsoever. Yes I know a lot about its history and heritage -- thanks brainwashing education! -- But I don't see how I should feel something about any of it. It's kind of why I'm in America and not there because I want a better life in a better country, why would I want to have attachment to a place that gave me and my relatives nothing but grief?

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by Andonyx


I thought you were a mad arab?

I am the Mad Arab. I am also 100% American. I can't be a Muslim, my roommate won't let me.

I have already posted a picture of my roommate on this thread.

My roommate is also 100% American these days, even though he came here from R'lyeh to devour all your souls.

All you skeptics think there is no such thing as a soul. When yours is about to be devoured you may change your opinion.

Of course once it is devoured, you will not be capable of having an opinion.

R'leh ftagn indeed, and you're worried about mere Arabs!

:p :p :p :p

[Zep]

Can I offer a counter example?

Ahem...Rupert Murdoch.

Officially, Rupert was an Australian born-and-bred citizen who entirely renounced his Australian citizenship and took up American citizenship more than a decade ago. It was done purely for business reasons, but done nonetheless. HOWEVER, every time the US press has something nasty to say about him (or anything at all, actually), his name is almost always preceded by the description, "Australian entrepreneur" or "Australian billionaire", or "Australian" something.

But he's not Australian. He's an immigrant US citizen. He rarely comes out here any more except for holidays. In the context of this thread, why is this?

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by Tmy
Remeber the American taliban guy? If he renounced his citizenship (no sure how you do that) could he then not be charged with treason?

He wasn't charged with treason anyway.

The prosecution didn't want to risk an acquittal, so they went for a lesser easier to prove charge.

My word on the question:

<blockquote>A Marin County young fool
Thought his parents were really uncool.
He said with a shrug
"Dad won't give me a hug
so I'm on the next plane to Kabul!"</blockquote>

[Abdul Alhazred]

duplicate sorry see next.

[Abdul Alhazred]

duplicate sorry

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by Zep
Can I offer a counter example?

Ahem...Rupert Murdoch.

Officially, Rupert was an Australian born-and-bred citizen who entirely renounced his Australian citizenship and took up American citizenship more than a decade ago. It was done purely for business reasons, but done nonetheless. HOWEVER, every time the US press has something nasty to say about him (or anything at all, actually), his name is almost always preceded by the description, "Australian entrepreneur" or "Australian billionaire", or "Australian" something.

But he's not Australian. He's an immigrant US citizen. He rarely comes out here any more except for holidays. In the context of this thread, why is this?

He is indeed an American, and the owner and stinker-up of the once leftist New York Post, in addition to the other media attainments including those you have mentioned.

But for denunciation purposes, he remains (as he must) an Australian. :p

[Zep]

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred
He is indeed an American, and the owner and stinker-up of the once leftist New York Post, in addition to the other media attainments including those you have mentioned.

But for denunciation purposes, he remains (as he must) an Australian. :p He's all that! :) So we would rather that you just didn't lump him in with the rest of us...


And can't someone arrange for him to "mysteriously" fall off a boat in the middle of the night some time??

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by Zep
He's all that! :) So we would rather that you just didn't lump him in with the rest of us...


Of course we don't. We're aware that you are too busy tying your kangaroos down, sport. ;)

We tanned your hide when you died, Clyde,
And that's it hanging on the shed! :p

[Zep]

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred
Of course we don't. We're aware that you are to busy tying your kangaroos down, sport. ;) Or, in the case of Steve Irwin, letting them loose in the top paddock.


But back to the thread!

Congratulations to the Russian lady with her new citizenship. It is good to see that she was so warmly welcomed too.

Question: What are the views on dual or even multiple citizenships? Or is the concept of "citizenship" perhaps no longer useful, or even a hinderance, in an electronically shrinking globe?

[The idea]

Originally posted by Zep
...Rupert Murdoch.
[...] every time the US press has something nasty to say about him (or anything at all, actually), his name is almost always preceded by the description, [...] "Australian."

But he's not Australian. He's an immigrant US citizen. [...] In the context of this thread, why is this?
Austrian diplomats have succeeded in convincing the world that Mozart was Austrian and Hitler was German.

[Zep]

Originally posted by The idea
Austrian diplomats have succeeded in convincing the world that Mozart was Austrian and Hitler was German. Did either of them actually change their citizenship, though? I don't recall that they did...

[Snide]

Originally posted by Zep
Question: What are the views on dual or even multiple citizenships? Or is the concept of "citizenship" perhaps no longer useful, or even a hinderance, in an electronically shrinking globe?

It's a terrific way for snubbed athletes to still have a team to play on. (See USA v. Canada Junior Hockey this year).

;)

[epepke]

When I was a kid, my next-door neighbor, a Cuban immigrant, became a citizen.

My father and I made up a sign for him that said, "WARNING! Dangerous gringo!"

[Matabiri]

... a kid who was born in Africa is not allowed to describe himself as African-American, because he's white!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F01%2F27%2Fwrace27. xml

"A white teenager who moved from South Africa to America six years ago was suspended from school after nominating himself for a "Distinguished African-American Student of the Year" prize. Trevor Richards, 16, was accused of "showing disrespect" to black pupils at Westside High School in Omaha, Nebraska. It is thought he is the only pupil to have lived in Africa.

He and two friends put up campaign posters showing him making a thumbs-up sign and all three were suspended.

"The posters were intended to be satire on the term 'African-American'," said one of his campaign managers, Scott Rambo. The phrase is the current politically correct label for black Americans. But the satire misfired, not least because it was aired on Martin Luther King Day, a holiday marking the black preacher's role in the civil rights struggle.

"It's disruptive," said the headmaster, John Crook. "It was offensive to the individual being honoured and to some students.""

It's political correctness gone mad!!!!!!

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by The idea

Austrian diplomats have succeeded in convincing the world that Mozart was Austrian and Hitler was German.

Of course we Italians know that Mozart was Italian. What language did he write some of his operas in? Case closed. :p

How can the Mad Arab be Italian? Because I say so. Any questions?

[VicDaring]

Originally posted by Matabiri
... a kid who was born in Africa is not allowed to describe himself as African-American, because he's white!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F01%2F27%2Fwrace27. xml

Can we get this in every thread? That'd be great!

[daenku32]

Why would anyone want to renounce their citizenships?

I have a dual-citizenship, and am definately proud of both nationalities. I wouldn't dare to spit on the face of either one of my parents by renouncing one of their citizenships.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by daenku32
Why would anyone want to renounce their citizenships?

I have a dual-citizenship, and am definately proud of both nationalities. I wouldn't dare to spit on the face of either one of my parents by renouncing one of their citizenships.

Well for starters it's kind of illegal, though I have not heard any cases where people were prosecuted for that. Also, what if you don't like the country you immigrated from? Frankly, I don't get why people leave their country but remain patriotic and supportive of it. If you liked it so much, why did you leave in the first place?