Keith Olbermann Takes Issue With POTUS Obama's Hysterical Material At WHC Dinner.

[Cicero]

"Did he or do we know who did the predator drones jokes about the Jonas brothers and did you think they were in bounds? Because, frankly, I thought that was over the edge. I thought that was almost in [Bush's] 'where are the weapons of mass destruction? Under the desk' thing." K.O.

K.O. also considered the jokes about the cable news networks were "misunderstood." Really? They seemed damned obvious unless you consider the frozen gaping mouth image appearing when POTUS Obama made fun of MSNBC's gushing over his pitch as a tribute to K.O.'s impartiality. How will K.O. ever reconcile the fact that POTUS Obama didn't rip FOX News and instead "gutted" CNN?

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0504/olbermann-obama-predator-drone-joke-bounds/

[Newtons Bit]

I actually thought it was kind of funny...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

"Did he or do we know who did the predator drones jokes about the Jonas brothers and did you think they were in bounds? Because, frankly, I thought that was over the edge. I thought that was almost in [Bush's] 'where are the weapons of mass destruction? Under the desk' thing." K.O.

K.O. also considered the jokes about the cable news networks were "misunderstood." Really? They seemed damned obvious unless you consider the frozen gaping mouth image appearing when POTUS Obama made fun of MSNBC's gushing over his pitch as a tribute to K.O.'s impartiality. How will K.O. ever reconcile the fact that POTUS Obama didn't rip FOX News and instead "gutted" CNN?

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0504/olbermann-obama-predator-drone-joke-bounds/

OMFG!!! Keith Olbermann didn't laugh at a joke! Oh noes!!! :eek:

I am so glad you started this thread! I was unaware of this.




(and you wonder why people laugh at you)

[DavidJames]

All I know is, after this, I'm voting Republican from now on.

[Walter Ego]

Oh, boy, another fail thread from CC! :D

:popcorn1

[Cicero]

OMFG!!! Keith Olbermann didn't laugh at a joke! Oh noes!!! :eek:

I am so glad you started this thread! I was unaware of this.

You were unaware that George Stephanopoulos, POTUS Clinton's Senior Advisor on Policy and Strategy, is a Democrat. If it is your goal to advertise your ignorance on pop culture as well as politics, you have succeeded.

(and you wonder why people laugh at you)

Now don't be petulant because your hero Olbermann's political correctness dictates his lack of sense of humor.

[Cicero]

I actually thought it was kind of funny...

Anybody with a sense of humor would.

[Alan]

When I was looking for more information on the topic, I found that AZ Gov. Jan Brewer wasn't happy with a joke Obama told then either.

Obama's joke: "And we all know what happens in Arizona when you don't have ID. Adios, amigos".

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/05/arizona-governor-jan-brewer-tells-president-obama-to-quit-joking-about-immigration-crisis.html

And I'm watching the video of it now. It's pretty good so far.
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[Walter Ego]

OMFG!!! Keith Olbermann didn't laugh at a joke! Oh noes!!! :eek:


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CC should take his blood pressure medication and stop watching Keith Olbermann. ;)

[Donal]

You mean Olbermann is a self important, humorless drama queen that is too sensitive to get a joke?

Jon Stewart established that a while ago.

I thought Obama did a pretty good job. The shot at Leno was great. The only part I didn't like was the Jersey Shore reference.

Those tools do not need that kind of attention.

[thaiboxerken]

Wait.. are you in disbelief, Cicero, that Olbermann would actually criticize the President?

[willhaven]

Joking about predator drones is in bad taste in my opinion.

[Cicero]

Wait.. are you in disbelief, Cicero, that Olbermann would actually criticize the President?

That depends on what is fueling K.O.'s colic. K.O.'s PC meter couldn't handle the predator drone/Jonas Brothers joke, but he appeared to take personal offense to POTUS Obama's joke about his good buddy CNN's Rick Sanchez.

[Cicero]

Joking about predator drones is in bad taste in my opinion.

How so?

[willhaven]

Because they're killing civilians and it's counterproductive to our anti-terror strategy.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

You were unaware that George Stephanopoulos, POTUS Clinton's Senior Advisor on Policy and Strategy, is a Democrat. If it is your goal to advertise your ignorance on pop culture as well as politics, you have succeeded.



Now don't be petulant because your hero Olbermann's political correctness dictates his lack of sense of humor.

It's cute how you try to criticize me. :lovestruck:

[Infoexcavator]

Imagine if it had been a foreign leader. Just imagine if Saddam had joked after 9/11 that if you try to seduce his daughter an airplane full of people will crash into your house. Its not a funny joke when most of the people the predator drones kill are civilians, but I guess its okay when its just those sand people. It's a lot like Bush making jokes about starting a war that has killed thousands.

[quixotecoyote]

Imagine if it had been a foreign leader. Just imagine if Saddam had joked after 9/11 that if you try to seduce his daughter an airplane full of people will crash into your house.

Yeah, that would only have been funny if Hamza Gulzar Khan had made the joke instead of Saddam. Dark as hell, but still funny.

eta: For the record, I thought McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Iran" was funny too. Not bright, but funny.

[willhaven]

Imagine if it had been a foreign leader. Just imagine if Saddam had joked after 9/11 that if you try to seduce his daughter an airplane full of people will crash into your house. Its not a funny joke when most of the people the predator drones kill are civilians, but I guess its okay when its just those sand people. It's a lot like Bush making jokes about starting a war that has killed thousands.
That would only make sense of Saddam was behind 9/11. It would be more akin to the Obama thing if OBL joked about it.

[Cicero]

Because they're killing civilians and it's counterproductive to our anti-terror strategy.

Now that is just false.*

Do you think POTUS Obama would actually target the Jonas Brothers for predator drones if they did get randy with his daughters. And if he did send them after the Jonas Brothers, are you concerned about the collateral damage to innocent people who didn't get randy with POTUS Obama's daughters?

Is there any weapon used in combat that has only killed people we intended to kill and never people we didn't intend to kill?

If all jokes were first submitted to political correctness scrutiny before being approved for delivery they would be devoid of humor.

* "I can assure you that in terms of that particular area, it is very precise and is very limited in terms of collateral damage."

"Very frankly, it's the only game in town in terms of confronting or trying to disrupt the al Qaeda leadership." CIA Director Leon Panetta


"CIA director Michael Hayden on November 13, 2008, as the drone program was in full swing. "By making a safe haven feel less safe, we keep Al Qaeda guessing.We make them doubt their allies; question their methods, their plans, even their priorities," he explained. Hayden went on to say that the key outcome of the drone attacks was that"we force them to spend more time and resources on self-preservation, and that distracts them, at least partially and at least for a time, from laying the groundwork for the next attack."


This strategy seems to have worked, at least in terms of the ability of Al Qaeda and other FATA-based militant groups to plan or carry out attacks in the West. Since the summer of 2008, law-enforcement authorities have uncovered no serious plots against U.S. or European targets that have been traceable back to Pakistan's tribal regions."

[willhaven]

Ok, killing civilians is productive and is an important part of our war on terror strategy.

The joke is funny, I still think it's in bad taste.

[Dorian Gray]

Normally I'd be outraged, but since it's the Jonas brothers, and since anyone boinking his daughters would be committing statutory rape, hey, not that bad.

[Walter Ego]

Bill Maher didn't think it was funny either. He's one of those godless liberal like Keith Olbermann. ;)

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[KoihimeNakamura]

answer: No sane person would have cared had Bush made that joke either.

[Darth Rotor]

Because they're killing civilians and it's counterproductive to our anti-terror strategy.

Predator drones don't kill people ... people kill people. ;)

FWIW: usually it is a Hellfire missile or a GBU-12 (on Reaper, that Predator on steroids) that kills people ...

Its not a funny joke when most of the people the predator drones kill are civilians
Nope.

You are very guilty of "counting the hits and ignoring the misses" quite a bit here ... and only know what you read in the papers.

That said, I'd not be averse to someone setting up some Pred strikes on the Jonas Brothers, Kanye West, Lindsay Lohan, Phred Phelps, and ...

*hums*

If someday it may happen
that a victim must be found
I've got a little list

DR

[Cicero]

Ok, killing civilians is productive unavoidable and is an important part of our war on terror strategy.

fixed.

The joke is funny, I still think it's in bad taste.

In other words, no different from "Family Guy," "South Park," "Tropic Thunder," "Bulworth," "The Ringer," "Norbit," "The Birdcage," "Pink Flamingoes," "Borat," etc.

[Cicero]

answer: No sane person would have cared had Bush made that joke either.

That explains K.O.'s objection.

[Darth Rotor]

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Another words, no different from "Family Guy," "South Park," "Tropic Thunder," "Bulworth," "The Ringer," "Norbit," "The Birdcage," "Pink Flamingoes," "Borat," etc.
The phrase you seek is "in other words."

[thaiboxerken]

I'm confused. Is Cicero defending Obama's joke to attack KO, or is he simultaneously attacking Obama for making the joke while attacking KO for attacking Obama for that joke?

[Cicero]

I'm confused. Is Cicero defending Obama's joke to attack KO, or is he simultaneously attacking Obama for making the joke while attacking KO for attacking Obama for that joke?

Since it says "hysterical material" in the thread title, I'm sure you can puzzle this out.

[willhaven]

fixed.It's 100% avoidable. Even if we were more strict in our engagements we could do more to minimize casualties.


In other words, no different from "Family Guy," "South Park," "Tropic Thunder," "Bulworth," "The Ringer," "Norbit," "The Birdcage," "Pink Flamingoes," "Borat," etc.Which are funny. That said, if I were in charge, I don't think I'd be making jokes about our double edged swords.

I'm sure OBL and his friends think his 9/11 jokes about his daughters' suitors are hilarious.

And to be honest, I thought Obama's joke was funny. I laughed. I just wouldn't have said it myself. It's just another straw on the back of another camel somewhere.

[Cicero]

Bill Maher didn't think it was funny either. He's one of those godless liberal like Keith Olbermann. ;)

Ule8FcSTx0s

If Maher didn't think it was funny, why did he laugh at it? Is Maher in the habit of showing his disapproval of how unfunny a joke is by chortling at the joke?

K.O. is "godless?" I knew he was humorless, but you must have inside info.

[Walter Ego]

I'm confused. Is Cicero defending Obama's joke to attack KO, or is he simultaneously attacking Obama for making the joke while attacking KO for attacking Obama for that joke?

I don't think CC knows what he's saying on any post he makes. It's generally a mistake to take him seriously. The fun is sitting back and watching as he spins, backtracks, contradicts himself, changes the subject and moves the goalposts. Utter madness, but entertaining if you take the right attitude.

[Cicero]

I don't think CC knows what he's saying on any post he makes. It's generally a mistake to take him seriously. The fun is sitting back and watching as he spins, backtracks, contradicts himself, changes the subject and moves the goalposts. Utter madness, but entertaining if you take the right attitude.

Could you explain what you were saying when you said Maher didn't think the joke was funny?

[Cicero]

It's 100% avoidable. Even if we were more strict in our engagements we could do more to minimize casualties.

The hilted portions are in conflict with one another.

Which are funny. That said, if I were in charge, I don't think I'd be making jokes about our double edged swords.

Did POTUS Obama also make fun of the weapon held in the left hand of Lady Justice?

I'm sure OBL and his friends think his 9/11 jokes about his daughters' suitors are hilarious.

It would great if you had video of the Al Qaeda Correspondents diner. Imagine the guffaws from the audience when OBL let out that zinger.

And to be honest, I thought Obama's joke was funny. I laughed. I just wouldn't have said it myself. It's just another straw on the back of another camel somewhere.

No pun intended with the camel reference.

[willhaven]

The hilted portions are in conflict with one another.No they aren't. It's 100% avoidable if you don't use drones or don't go to war. And if you do go to war, there are things we can do to minimize casualties by having more strict ROE.

[Cicero]

No they aren't. It's 100% avoidable if you don't use drones or don't go to war. And if you do go to war, there are things we can do to minimize casualties by having more strict ROE.

Now if you could only get Al-Qaeda to go along with the rules of engagement reserved for The Lingerie Bowl.

[ingoa]

As an European: It was funny! :D

[Cleon]

Since it says "hysterical material" in the thread title, I'm sure you can puzzle this out.

You don't even know what your point is, do you.

[Cicero]

I'm confused. Is Cicero defending Obama's joke to attack KO, or is he simultaneously attacking Obama for making the joke while attacking KO for attacking Obama for that joke?

You don't even know what your point is, do you.

It sure is mysterious.

[willhaven]

Now if you could only get Al-Qaeda to go along with the rules of engagement reserved for The Lingerie Bowl.I'm sure the families of those we accidentally kill understand our position and will try to get out of the way next time.

[Darth Rotor]

No they aren't. It's 100% avoidable if you don't use drones or don't go to war. And if you do go to war, there are things we can do to minimize casualties by having more strict ROE.
I think you have no idea what you are talking about, nor about how the armed drones do, or don't, get targeting information, nor about what weapons are or are not used, nor about their relative accuracy and effects.

Having been involved in their use (six years ago) on a daily basis, I find your "blame the drones" attitude to be an argument from pure ignorance, to the point of not even being wrong, but rather being an exercise in public ignorance.

A signal advantage of the armed drones that I am familiar with is long dwell times that frequently allow the mission commander to wait, wait, wait until the target is clear of people that aren't targets. OF course, sometimes that delay means wait to hit him/her/it tomorrow.

(In the case of a target I am familiar with, a guy called Zarqawi, it meant he lived quite a bit longer and killed a whole lot of people his own self since he wasn't already dead).

The engagement criteria have an immense influence on how often a risk of killing non combatants arises, or how large the risk is, to a far greater extent than which weapons are, or are not, used.

While I appreciate your sarcasm
I'm sure the families of those we accidentally kill understand our position and will try to get out of the way next time.
that's one thing they cannot do if, for example, a Reaper lets go with a GBU-12. The odds are that they won't hear that last thing that might be heard, the small mechanical clicks of the bomb's fins adjusting the last few fractions of a second of its downward flight.

They'll most likely not even know that they've been hit by a bomb if they are in a building of a certain size or less. They'll just be dead.

In your defense, yes: if you don't go to war, you won't kill anyone, but that's a moot point as of some years past.

DR

[willhaven]

So yes, a change in ROE can lead to fewer civilian deaths, yes? Not using drones will eliminate civilian drone deaths entirely, yes?

Not saying they shouldn't be used, but the number of civilians we are killing seems to be a problem that works against us. "Oops!" doesn't seem to be a useful defense when we accidentally kill a person we're attempting to protect.

Joking about a device that's killed dozens of innocent people seems like bad form to me. I wouldn't have made the joke in public.