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[Frankie]

My mother has the most aggressive form of breast cancer.

For this reason I want as next female in line to have a double mastectomy now rather than worry for the next 20years or so when I will get it. I can cope now with such an operation than in later years with the disease. I am seeing what it is doing to my once strong mother.

The Family (excluding my parents) Think I am much selfish to do this. That if I do they will be denied a link to see if they or their children will get it.

Am I being selfish by not wanting to spend the next years worrying in case it's arrived?

I can't be put on a program until 10 years gap between when my mothers was discovered. It is too long a worry to wait for. The worry will eat at me and I think I am doing best by wanting to remove such now.

Also I have to fight this NHs maybe as well to get it done.

Your advice or opinions are requested.

[Frankie]

Original topic (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34314)

Where I talked about some of the areas I was unknown about.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Frankie


The Family (excluding my parents) Think I am much selfish to do this. That if I do they will be denied a link to see if they or their children will get it.

Am I being selfish by not wanting to spend the next years worrying in case it's arrived?


No you're not. Your family is selfish for wanting to use you as a lab rat. Talk to your doctor though, make sure there is a good reason to do it.
Best of luck to you and your mom.

[Luciana]

I find this trend of asking for advice on personal matters, specially the ones involving decisions of utmost importance to someone's life, incredibly disturbing.

mod hat on: I'll move this to the Science section as I believe it's more likely you'll get informed opinions or qualified advice.

[Luciana]

Your case is similar to that of user Ma'at, as you can see in this post (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=292703#post292703). She hasn't posted for a while, at least not since she was accused of being Hellcat, but you might contact her and share some information. Maybe she's still available for inquiry.

[69dodge]

Hey, Hellcat---if that's who you are---have you ever considered writing fiction? People can get pretty involved in a good novel, even if they know it isn't true. And writing novels is rather more . . . um . . . socially acceptable than what you're doing now.

Just a thought. No hard feelings intended. Apologies if you're not Hellcat.

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by Brian

No you're not. Your family is selfish for wanting to use you as a lab rat. Talk to your doctor though, make sure there is a good reason to do it.
Best of luck to you and your mom.

What he said.

[Earthborn]

Before you choose to do anything drastic, you should check whether you can be tested for for heriditary breast cancer. Here's some info: http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/3_62.htm

Chances are you have nothing (or at least not more than anyone else) to worry about, as only about 5-10% of breast cancers are heriditary.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Brian

No you're not. Your family is selfish for wanting to use you as a lab rat. Talk to your doctor though, make sure there is a good reason to do it.
Best of luck to you and your mom.
I have made an appointment to discuss all of this with my own doctor.

Being so close to the issue I wanted to hear some rational thoughts not just my own fears and hasty decisions.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Luciana Nery
I find this trend of asking for advice on personal matters, specially the ones involving decisions of utmost importance to someone's life, incredibly disturbing.

mod hat on: I'll move this to the Science section as I believe it's more likely you'll get informed opinions or qualified advice.
The only similarity I see with Ma'at is the breast cancer. As said herself and all her female family died young from the disease.

That is nothing like mine in this case at all. Bug girl also has breast cancer within her family. My mother has no known history as her she does not know her family medical history. I have as far as I am aware no signs of breast cancer. My mothers and I age are alot older than that of Ma'ats.

One significant part breast cancer. Nothing else.


I see no reason for the move, I wanted a general opinion so posted in the main section of this forum. As I already had one on here which the few that spoke up on such a matter kept me informed and clued up what to ask. Without their help I would not have been given the information readily by the consultants.

What you find disturbing is a fact of life. People do ask and people do suffer from such things. I do not see you so readily moving the depressive topic et cetera.

No hard feelings, I can see where you were headed wrongly.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by 69dodge
Hey, Hellcat---if that's who you are---have you ever considered writing fiction? People can get pretty involved in a good novel, even if they know it isn't true. And writing novels is rather more . . . um . . . socially acceptable than what you're doing now.

Just a thought. No hard feelings intended. Apologies if you're not Hellcat.

Apology in full accepted, I'm an not Hellcat thank you. Please rise above the paranoia need to label somebody this creature.

No hard feeling either.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons


What he said.

Thank you Eos.

[Frankie]

If somebody in a moderator authority would merge these topics of mine into one topic I would appreciate it.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=34689


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32099&highlight=breast+cancer


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34314

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Frankie
My mother has the most aggressive form of breast cancer.

For this reason I want as next female in line to have a double mastectomy now rather than worry for the next 20years or so when I will get it. I can cope now with such an operation than in later years with the disease. I am seeing what it is doing to my once strong mother.

The Family (excluding my parents) Think I am much selfish to do this. That if I do they will be denied a link to see if they or their children will get it.

Am I being selfish by not wanting to spend the next years worrying in case it's arrived?

I can't be put on a program until 10 years gap between when my mothers was discovered. It is too long a worry to wait for. The worry will eat at me and I think I am doing best by wanting to remove such now.

Also I have to fight this NHs maybe as well to get it done.

Your advice or opinions are requested.

I am no expert, but it seems like a rather radical thing to do and you should take your physician up on the idea if he suggests you see a psychiatrist to help you deal with your irrational fear of breast cancer.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Frankie
If somebody in a moderator authority would merge these topics of mine into one topic I would appreciate it.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=34689


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32099&highlight=breast+cancer


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34314

Why not just delete them and let's start off fresh. :)

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Luciana Nery
I find this trend of asking for advice on personal matters, specially the ones involving decisions of utmost importance to someone's life, incredibly disturbing.

mod hat on: I'll move this to the Science section as I believe it's more likely you'll get informed opinions or qualified advice.

Good move, Luciana. There are some pretty sharp people here in the Medicine section. I think the topics are at the least, thought provoking.

Is there really a trend to lop off your breasts as a preventitive measure for breast cancer? If so, I find it disturbing; but I don't have much actual information to go on. Like I said, I am sure someone who knows more will see it in this forum.

That's a pretty hat, btw.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Earthborn
Before you choose to do anything drastic, you should check whether you can be tested for for hereditary breast cancer. Here's some info: http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/3_62.htm

Chances are you have nothing (or at least not more than anyone else) to worry about, as only about 5-10% of breast cancers are hereditary.

Thank you earthborn. I shall read through this throughly late tonight hopefully. I am that exhausted I may not. A brief look seems to be very informative. I just hope some of it can stick in my already bursting capacity brain. The more I read the less I realise we get told at the Breast clinic and North hampshire hospital.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by tamiO


I am no expert, but it seems like a rather radical thing to do and you should take your physician up on the idea if he suggests you see a psychiatrist to help you deal with your irrational fear of breast cancer.
It's not an irrational fear.
I just do no want to spen the next x amount of years worrying when it has stuck. The consultant it is not an if but a when with me. That bothers me so.

I can deal with it now. The older I get I don't think that I can deal with is so effectively.

Is that irrational?

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Frankie

It's not an irrational fear.
I just do no want to spen the next x amount of years worrying when it has stuck. The consultant it is not an if but a when with me. That bothers me so.

I can deal with it now. The older I get I don't think that I can deal with is so effectively.

Is that irrational?

I guess the idea is just too close to self-mutilation in my mind. As I said, I don't know much about it, so don't mind me. :)

[Frankie]

Originally posted by tamiO


Why not just delete them and let's start off fresh. :)
That would cause more hassle than 3 of them running loose as it is. Though with the certain comments in place, that might be a better idea. Then again merging them all is an easy option to do and nothing is then hidden away.

Admin/moderator call on this?

Frankie.

[Luciana]

Originally posted by tamiO
Good move, Luciana. There are some pretty sharp people here in the Medicine section. I think the topics are at the least, thought provoking.

Thank you, Tami.

I am sure that threads like this are useful for those with genuine concerns.

Frankie: I can see you're stressed. It's obvious how your spelling and grammar are deteriorating rapidly. No problem, that's not a complaint, just an observation. You really have to relax.

I find your story very similar to that of Ma'at, all things considered. We'll have to agree to disagree, then.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by tamiO


I guess the idea is just too close to self-mutilation in my mind. As I said, I don't know much about it, so don't mind me. :)
No your comments are welcome. I suppose it is. Then is it I am comfortable in my sexuality to have them removed. I am my be of without that problem like my mother had of worrying she was less of a woman?

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Luciana Nery


Thank you, Tami.

I am sure that threads like this are useful for those with genuine concerns.

Frankie: I can see you're stressed. It's obvious how your spelling and grammar are deteriorating rapidly. No problem, that's not a complaint, just an observation. You really have to relax.

I find your story very similar to that of Ma'at, all things considered. We'll have to agree to disagree, then.
I am stressed out, Luciana and my tone with you should not have been so sharp. I apologise. Today is a bad day, I should not take out my frustrations on others. I aplogise to all for that.

I am genuinely in need of as much information as I can be given. I have not had this experience of before. I also hope never to have again.

I am also speaking to the computer trying to brake in a new speech program and getting not very well with it.

Your name just came out as loo seat banana. This scissors a rubbish program.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Frankie

I am also speaking to the computer trying to brake in a new speech program and getting not very well with it.

Your name just came out as loo seat banana. This scissors a rubbish program.

:D :D :D :D

[Frankie]

Originally posted by tamiO


:D :D :D :D
Tam he hoe. I wood large but this program his thrusting me. As fast as I get a word fixed the hole in the ground creates a other probe lemon.


Frantically.
:(

[bug_girl]

Frankie, i'll repeat what i said earlier.
the VAST majority of breast cancers are not hereditary.
the ones that are inherited just get the most research money, and therefore the most press.

you can be tested to see if you have one of the known heritable genes, which then will still only tell you if you have an increased risk of cancer, not if you will get breast cancer.

i do agree that your family is out of line if they are using "we want to see what happens to you" as a rationale. But, they may just be grasping at straws to get you to slow down!

i think you are making decisions based on fear, rather than evidence. get the molecular report from her cancer and work from there. However, only you can decide what to do.

[Diogenes]

It seems that whether you choose the surgery now or if it becomes necessary later, you are going to have to stay under close medical supervision in the years to come.

Why not forego the surgery, and use the close medical supervison as a tool for early detection, should the cancer develop.


Getting rid of parts of your body just so they do not become diseased, sort of increases the odds that another part will do you in..

Besides, it would be sad if the paper delivered to your hospital room the morning after your surgery read:

" New Drugs For The Treatment of Breast Cancer Eliminate The Need For Surgery!! "

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Diogenes


Besides, it would be sad if the paper delivered to your hospital room the morning after your surgery read:

" New Drugs For The Treatment of Breast Cancer Eliminate The Need For Surgery!! "

Excellent. Point.

The cancer my father-in-law nearly died from 5 years ago is now curable in human trials. Or darn close to it. He lost a lung and part of his heart to surgery.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by Frankie
If somebody in a moderator authority would merge these topics of mine into one topic I would appreciate it.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=34689


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32099&highlight=breast+cancer


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34314
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People have already replied to all three threads. To merge them now would tend to confuse the order of posts. The moving and deletion of threads tends to confuse the database a bit. So, at this time, I'm going to leave those three threads as they are.
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[Frankie]

Originally posted by Pyrrho

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People have already replied to all three threads. To merge them now would tend to confuse the order of posts. The moving and deletion of threads tends to confuse the database a bit. So, at this time, I'm going to leave those three threads as they are.
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No problem.:D
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[Frankie]

What should have been my Mother's, first course of chemo came and went. One huge cocks up she had not been sent for to have her scan of the kidneys and liver. Another delay is now arriving as she has to wait for the scan before she can have the chemo. So much for needs to be done immediately no delays as said by Ms, laws, her surgeon.

The drugs used are E,C,M,F. I did well to jot the initial down let alone the names of the drugs. Its easier to understand in that form I also find.


We have been also given a long list of foods not to be eaten or eaten with extreme caution. Drinks also included.
No tap water, unless boiled first.
Salad only if washed very well
Eating out , only if sure restaurant is very hygienic and food preparation is above high standard.
No un-cooked egg products.
No soft cheeses.
No offal.
All meat very well cooked.
No microwave cooking, this the list given, is endless.

Now my Mother, is more up the wall with waiting than ever before. So I set her a task to find me a new puppy (Black Russian Terrier). I lost my beloved dog 3 years ago to old age. Now, I am settled, I think, the time is right to buy another pet. Also it gives my Mother, something to concentrate on finding my such an exclusive dog.

[Soapy Sam]

Frankie, As a non medical male, this is an uninformed opinion and no more.

All operative surgery carries a risk. You might, for instance have a genetic sensitivity to the anaesthetic used. You have to weigh that risk (and the risk of negative psychological impact) against the perceived risk of cancer. What Bug_girl and Earthborn have said about the low hereditary factor in the condition seems particularly important. Numerous people in my family died in their 40s or early 50s of circulatory problems. I'm 49 this year. Should I be thinking of a heart transplant? Hardly. I watch my diet, don't smoke, take some exercise and get on with life. There may well be environmental factors in your Mother's case. Look into that before you take such a drastic course. I hope you die a hundred years hence , in bed , doing something indiscreet.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Soapy Sam
Frankie, As a non medical male, this is an uninformed opinion and no more.

All operative surgery carries a risk. You might, for instance have a genetic sensitivity to the anaesthetic used. You have to weigh that risk (and the risk of negative psychological impact) against the perceived risk of cancer. What Bug_girl and Earthborn have said about the low hereditary factor in the condition seems particularly important. Numerous people in my family died in their 40s or early 50s of circulatory problems. I'm 49 this year. Should I be thinking of a heart transplant? Hardly. I watch my diet, don't smoke, take some exercise and get on with life. There may well be environmental factors in your Mother's case. Look into that before you take such a drastic course. I hope you die a hundred years hence , in bed , doing something indiscreet.

Soapy sam.

Thank you for you thoughts. I will not make an final decision on this until I have had several chats with my own Doctor.
The cancer part does not bother me, it never has or the Psychological impact of it. It is the worrying me, when it will turn up that has me on edge. If like my mother had no warning about it, and it turns up when I am out of the screening program, the speed at which my mothers turned, that worries me. The waiting for it.

The fact that the time line for the NHS breast screening sessions are so little in comparison. I am considering paying privately for mammogram tests every 2 years.

I have also a strong opinion I would rather go through the operation now than later. I have the energy and strength now, later I may not and equally may not have the support of my parents to se me through it. That plays heavily on my mind.

As for being indiscreet, I am frequently indiscreet in bed with a good book, slice of cake, radio on, and a large mug of café latte.

I appreciate the comments, the more I read and re-read the better I feel and can see other's points of view on this matter.

[Frankie]

All go this week.

Tomorrow my mother has her heart check + ecg.
Wednesday she has her liver and kidney ultrasound done followed up immediately by a radioactive iodine/dye injected into her. Which she has to sit around for 3 hours then the MRI, image of her bones are done.
Thursday, chemo starts.

She had her hair cut short in anticipation of any hair loss. Looks trendy I can say.

I am being referred to the Breast Clinic at Glenfields, appointment waiting to arrive now. My decision to undertake a possible double mastectomy now is not uncommon and also is not unreasonable to make such a decision based on the when it will emerge not if. I am to talk it over with the breast clinic and all other options open to me.

I will at some point introduce you to Isabella, my stress increaser not stress decrease. The latter I was assured of.

Frankie.

[Frankie]

Forgotten additional note.

If you are ever in a NHS Hospital in England. It is worth paying the £3. daily charge for the use of the PAL'S system.

There is a radio feature. TV that has sky and cable channels on was a bonus for my mother while she fretted at night. The direct phone although cost 49p per minute to ring her was again a welcome bonus for my Father and I to check in on here during non visiting hours. Emails are the next to be added to it's features.

This system is free for the over 65yrs and under 16yrs. Very welcome additions from the patients point of view and visitors alike.

[ebola]

Frankie,

My wife lost her mother to breast cancer about twenty years ago. I don't know her mother's age for certain; I think she was about fifty. My wife tells me that her mother was also stricken with the most aggressive type of breast cancer, and for the first few years of our marriage she was convinced and terrified that she, too, would have to endure that fate. After she did a little research, it turned out that aggressive type of breast cancer is not hereditary. As others have noted before in this ( and I am sure others ) thread, the cases of hereditary breast cancer make up a relatively small minority of all breast cancer cases. Armed with the information, she was able to put this particular fear behind her. She still does the smart things ( regular self exams and mammograms ), but no longer obsesses over it.

My point is this: Do not take a radical surgical step due to your fear of what may happen. The aggressive type ( if it is the same one that my wife's mother had ) is not hereditary, and the fact that your mother had it is not necessarily an indication that you are at increased risk. Even if you carry the BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene, that is not a guarantee that you will contract breast cancer. And, if you exercise reasonable care and still contract this disease, you can catch it in the early stages when treatments are more effective and there is a wider variety of things that can be done.

If you allow this to dominate your life, you have done far worse than die of cancer.

Eric

[Frankie]

Rolfe.



How is naming the Hospital my Mother attends which incidentally is called Northampshire hospital getting it wrong?



The correct name is

Northamptonshire General Hospital. (North-hants)

Aldermaston Road.

Hampshire. (Hants.)

RG24 9NN.



Alternatively, are you somewhat confused because as I am waiting for an appointment at the Breast Clinic at Glenfields Hospital. An appointment in which to discuss my situation fully with all the alternatives what can or cannot be. Also to have, as my own Doctor requested, a DNA comparison test done, to see where I lay genetically. I did not say I was having them off at all, I said I was there to discuss everything with people who know far more about the medical side of this than I.



Northhampshire General is the local Hospital for my Mother as is also Southampton General and Royal Berkshire. My mother will attend Southampton General, as Northhampshire does not do Radiology. The Royal Berkshire does both treatments, but does them both together and so she cannot attend them as she is receiving her Chemotherapy at Northhampshires.



The hospital that covers the local area for me is Glenfields in this case (Breast care). I can also if needs arise use the other local Hospitals covering my area which are, The Royal, The General and George Elliot.



My mother's bed, happened to be where that she was told to come to that ward on her day of operation, which turned out to be on the ENT ward. Why I have no specific idea why, other than Ms. Laws said that was where there was a bed free in a female ward only. After the operation, that is where she was returned to recover on. My mother was the one of two patients to have a dedicated Sister looking after them (Sister Wendy Bond). Coincidently, on the same C ward as my mother, were women with diverse complaints such as a Hysterectomy (dedicated Sister), kidney infection, varicose veins, adenoids, bowel problems (investigated by the MRI team), tonsillectomy, and a private patient whose complaint was not known. The next door ward had: one angina attacks, one broken leg, a burst eardrum and an in growing toe nail patients (Mixed ward). That ward seemed to be used as the recovery room for surgical operations which are carried out across the corridor from the lifts.(same floor)
As told to my mother, by the lady who was having an MRI scan for her bowel problems.



Naturally at this fictitious hospital there are no nurses such as, or breast care clinic tel: 01256 313126, outpatients 01256 313068) Main Hospital 01256 4732027.


These are not the nurses caring for her either naturally as they do not exist either in this invisible fictitious hospital, where my mother had her cancerous right breast removed.

Lymphodemia nurse Sister Carol Anne Cahill (RGN DIPHE BSC Hons) (Bleep ****)

Clinical nurse Breast Care. Sister Mandy Nufly(sp)(bleep****)
RGN DIPN BSC (Hons)

Junior sisters, Gill Palmer (bleep ****) and Tricia Paterson.(bleep****)

**** number removed to protect the nursing staff.


Does that clarify the matter now fully?


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The Chemotherapy chemicals used are as follows:

E, M, C, F,

E =Eprubicin IV, every 3 weeks for 4 cycles.

C = Cyclophosphamide IV, days 1 and 8

M = Methotrexate IV, days 1 and 8

F = Fluorouracil (sp?) IV days 1 and 8

Iv-=injection.



Before the chemo chemicals are given she had an injection of *Dexamthasome (sp?) a steroid, she also has to take that in tablet form 3 times per day for the first 3 days, (anti sickness) Which has caused my mother severe pain due to the side effects of this drug. (Hence my not being around + I also have a now 10 week old to look after)

And *Ondansetron (sp?) There is another and I have forgotten what it is, which she has not taken as she does not feel sick, and this tablet was another anti sickness one.

*These drugs might be round the wrong way.*



It took seven attempts to get a vein line in, and Mother is waiting for her Hickman line to be put in, which so far has not arrived. On Thursday, she will once again be attending the fictitious chemo unit at Northants for her next course of chemo. That is after sitting for an hour with the cold hat (freezer hat my mother calls it) then she will be given a saline drip, the steroid which we hope to not have due to complications that caused my mother so much pain. Then the chemo will be syringed in slowly. After which another 2 hours with the freezer on her head before being allowed home again. Altogether, the first time it took 7 hours in total, if the Hickman line is not in situ by then, I suspect a longer time will be spent there.


Frankie.

[Dancing David]

Frankie, as a male I most likely will not have to go through this , but having lost two friends to cancer and another who has had treatment wtice, I understand your concerns.

I think that a good llok at the history would tell you if such a radical surgery is needed, was there an enviromental factor you shared with your mother, like exposure to agricultural chemicals.

But while I feel a double masectomy is a really radical preventative measure I sure recall the feeling i had when i found a benign lump in one of my testicles, off with it was my first thought. the doctors said not to worry. So I don't.

But hey if you think the risk of surgery doesn't outweigh your anxiety and you don't want to treat the anxiety I say go for it.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Dancing David
Frankie, as a male I most likely will not have to go through this , but having lost two friends to cancer and another who has had treatment wtice, I understand your concerns.David, just pause a minute.

Point of information. Northampton is nothing to do with Hampshire. North Hampshire hospital is in Basingstoke, Hampshire. Northampton is a town in Northamptonshire.

David, you may want to look at this link (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28623). This is the very opposite of a wild guess. There is much more information in this thread here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34030&perpage=30&pagenumber=3).

:hb:

Rolfe.

[Frankie]

Dancing David, the environmental factor is the same for us. I have been exposed far more than she had. Our diets and lifestyles are pretty much similar. The only difference being I lived longer by the biggest environmental aspect than she did.

Going by what my Mothers Doctor and also echoed by my own. I am a when I get it not and not a if I get it. The DNA test should provide the genetic risk.

I don't want to go down that route, I have a fear of operations, which goes against what I feel ought to be done. But the waiting for the cancer to arrive will not sit well with me. Again I, when my appointment comes through can discuss all my rational and irrational fears with the Breast Care Consultants at Glenfields. They after all, are the experts in this particular cancer field. They can also with my background history, and comparison to my Mothers work out what is required and what is not required.

Thank you

Frankie.

[Rolfe]

:hb: (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28623)

Rolfe.

[geni]

<Any bets on how Frankie will try and get round this one?>

[Frankie]

Rolfe enough already I said North Hampshire that is the name of the Hospital as I know it. I have never said it was in Northampton. You keep saying that not I.

North hampshire is the hospital I am talking about and is where Ms. Tinkler Ms laws etc are all treating my mother.

I have no idea what you are on about what so ever.

Next you will be telling everybody that chemo doesn't exist either or Sister Bond Sister Cahill don't work at Northhampshire.

I have said NorthHampshire AND I WILL say North Hampshire again as that is the name of the hospital and I will refer to it as its name Northampshire Hospital, Aldermaston Road Basingstoke Hampshire RG24 9NN telephone number 01256 4732027.

Breast clinic 01256 313126

Outpatients. 01256 313068

A Basingstoke Dialling code 01256 hardly Northampton's is it. which I have no idea is what exactly.



Naturally there is no florist( right) opposite the reception(left) I know exactly where the Hospital is. You're the one that has twisted it for some, well not some obscure reason I can well guess why. It doesn't need a genius to work that out. Go play vile games with somebody else who will play them back with you. I am not interested in playing your games.

NorthhampSHIRE( old name Basingstoke General) is treating my Mother for breast cancer and that is final. I said it originally and I stand by that It is Northhampshire Hospital in Hampshire. Seeing as the Hospital in in the North of HampSHIRE It was named apt.

Hardly think North HAMPTON Hospital in Northamptonshire is local for my mother living in Sherbourne St John(HampSHIRE).



Frankie.

[Frankie]

I suppose next the dialling code 01256 will not be Basingstoke Hampshire but Delihi?

No of course silly me it will be Northampton.


Northampshire is the hospital as I orginally said. This my mothers patient line number 07046 210108. Patient line the phone attached to each and everybody's bed, along with the TV. Lo and behold it says Northampshire Hospital when you ring it. NOT Northampton Hosptial. Try to ring in at a decent hour.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Frankie
Rolfe enough already I said North Hampshire that is the name of the Hospital as I know it. I have never said it was in Northampton. You keep saying that not I.No, you keep saying it. A few posts above this, among other places.The correct name is

Northamptonshire General Hospital.North Hampshire (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=463339&y=151884&z=3&sv=Basingstoke&st=3&tl=Basingstoke,&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (North Hampshire Hospital (http://www.northhampshire.nhs.uk/patients/wayfinding/nhh.html) is in Basingstoke.)

Northampton (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=475202&y=260458&z=3&sv=Northampton&st=3&tl=Northampton,+Northamptonshire+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (which, funnily enough, is in Northamptonshire. Probably close to 100 miles from Basingstoke.)

You'd think she'd know which county she was in, if not which town. Especially after I'd actually queried it in an earlier post.

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Rolfe.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Rolfe
No, you keep saying it. A few posts above this, among other places.North Hampshire (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=463339&y=151884&z=3&sv=Basingstoke&st=3&tl=Basingstoke,&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (North Hampshire hospital is in Basingstoke.)

Northampton (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=475202&y=260458&z=3&sv=Northampton&st=3&tl=Northampton,+Northamptonshire+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (which, funnily enough, is in Northamptonshire. Probably close to 100 miles from Basingstoke.)

You'd think she'd know which county she was in, if not which town. Especially after I'd actually queried it in an earlier post.

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Rolfe.

Nort hampshire is the hospital and not Northhamptonshire.

I said North hampshire why do you keep referring to Northamptonshire?

So there happens to be a North hampshire and a North Hamptonshire, There is also Hampton as in Hampton court. Do you want to add that one in as well.


North hampshire as first posted is the hospital.

Frankie.

[geni]

Originally posted by Frankie
Northampshire is the hospital as I orginally said.

There is no such hospital as northampshire.

[geni]

Originally posted by Frankie


Nort hampshire is the hospital and not Northhamptonshire.


Come on. Even I can put the h on the end of north.

<mind you hellcats spelling was less than perfect>

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Frankie
Nort hampshire is the hospital and not Northhamptonshire.

I said North hampshire why do you keep referring to Northamptonshire?

North hampshire as first posted is the hospital.Oh, really? Just glance upwards for a moment, please....The correct name is

Northamptonshire General Hospital.North Hampshire (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=463339&y=151884&z=3&sv=Basingstoke&st=3&tl=Basingstoke,&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (North Hampshire Hospital (http://www.northhampshire.nhs.uk/patients/wayfinding/nhh.html) is in Basingstoke.)

Northampton (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=475202&y=260458&z=3&sv=Northampton&st=3&tl=Northampton,+Northamptonshire+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (which, funnily enough, is in Northamptonshire. Probably close to 100 miles from Basingstoke.)

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Rolfe.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Rolfe
David, just pause a minute.

Point of information. Northampton is nothing to do with Hampshire. North Hampshire hospital is in Basingstoke, Hampshire. Northampton is a town in Northamptonshire.

David, you may want to look at this link (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28623). This is the very opposite of a wild guess. There is much more information in this thread here (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34030&perpage=30&pagenumber=3).

:hb:

Rolfe.

That is interesting but there are others who read the threads that may be thinking the same thoughts.
Without the same intent perhaps, oh well...
the world may never know.

Should I suggest homeopathy?

[Frankie]

Originally posted by geni


There is no such hospital as northampshire.

Yes alright Geni what ever you say.

Along with no numbers such as
the main number for Northampshire is 01256 473202
The Northampshire Hospital breast clinic line is again not 01256 313126



The fact that my mothers Patient line number is 07046 210108, and the nice lady who informs you of the costs of phoning my mother doesn't say Northampshire Hospital.

Yes your so right Geni. Not. Ring it and see for yourself. It is the Northhampshire hospital and that is where my mother is and is being treated by all the people mentioned.

Just where Northampton and Rolfe's obsession with Northamptonshire came into it I don't know.

If you don't mind I'm going to bed, as I have to get up early in order for my journey down to Hampshire. I will be travelling down the M69, M40 and A4, possible M4(traffic dependant) all the way to the Northhampshire hospital Aldermaston Road Basingstoke Hampshire. To be with my mother as she has her next course of chemo.


Frankie.

[Rolfe]

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Rolfe.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Oh, really? Just glance upwards for a moment, please....North Hampshire (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=463339&y=151884&z=3&sv=Basingstoke&st=3&tl=Basingstoke,&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (North Hampshire Hospital (http://www.northhampshire.nhs.uk/patients/wayfinding/nhh.html) is in Basingstoke.)

Northampton (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=475202&y=260458&z=3&sv=Northampton&st=3&tl=Northampton,+Northamptonshire+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf) (which, funnily enough, is in Northamptonshire. Probably close to 100 miles from Basingstoke.)

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Rolfe.
I did and it says North hampshire.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by geni


Come on. Even I can put the h on the end of north.

<mind you hellcats spelling was less than perfect>
Did you know that the word Mysterious is with a y not a mesterious.

What's a spelling mistake between members.

Look in flame war for that one of yours.

[geni]

Originally posted by Frankie


Yes alright Geni what ever you say.

Along with no numbers such as
the main number for Northampshire is 01256 473202
The Northampshire Hospital breast clinic line is again not 01256 313126



I know thoes numbers are real because they match the ones that a google search turn up. They belong to North Hampshire hospital. So there is no such place as Northampshire or Northampshire.

[geni]

Originally posted by Frankie

Did you know that the word Mysterious is with a y not a mesterious.

What's a spelling mistake between members.

Look in flame war for that one of yours.

Reapeted overlong peroids when it involves an address that is important to you? Quite serious.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Frankie
I did and it says North hampshire.No, it really doesn't....The correct name is

Northamptonshire General Hospital.Isn't it interesting that she only started saying Basingstoke after the first time I'd posted that information? And that a lot of the hospital ID info suddenly appeared after I linked to its own web page?

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Rolfe.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by geni


I know those numbers are real because they match the ones that a google search turn up. They belong to North Hampshire hospital. So there is no such place as Northampshire or Northampshire.

WTF are you harking on about. Northhamsphire North hampshire Ok I missed a space out. What is the world going to stop because I'm tired and I made yet another error in typing?
Same hospital it says Northampshire as one word and it is how I said it without saying North space Hampshire.

Why l are you being so pedantic, same hospital with or without a missing space and at the odd spelling error. I don't pick on all your spelling errors.

North Hampshire as originally posted is the hospital and that is that. FINAL
Northampshire with or without the space bar and spelling error, genuine spelling error not a planned assassination of the space-bar and dictionary.


Re-edited again as I missed the space and dropped a h again.



For the last time, I am not HELLCAT or any other name the group want to throw at me. I am Frankie and that is is, With a mother in North Hampshire hospital recovering from removal of her right breast and is having chemotherapy for grade 3 breast cancer.

Chemo drugs are ECMF Eprubicin cyclophosphamied methothrexate and Fluroicil

Spellings correct, hopefully, and space in between all the words for Geni.

frankie, who makes spelling mistakes and space-bar errors that condemn, especially when she is tired.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Rolfe
No, it really doesn't....Isn't it interesting that she only started saying Basingstoke after the first time I'd posted that information? And that a lot of the hospital ID info suddenly appeared after I linked to its own web page?

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Rolfe.

I seeit now I made an error writing out the name while making sure I got the adress and phone numbrs correct. So sorry I did put in brackets North Hants. That should have said something.

I simple which hosptial would have sufficed without your witch hunting.

Rolfe.



How is naming the Hospital my Mother attends which incidentally is called Northampshire hospital getting it wrong?



The correct name is

North Hampshire General Hospital. (North Hants)

Aldermaston Road.

Hampshire. (Hants.)

RG24 9NN.


Ok now corrected my error. As the first line states I said North Hampshire.

The address is now corrected.

North Hampshire General Hosptial.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Frankie
The address is now corrected.

North Hampshire General Hosptial. Oh dear, I thought she'd finally got it, but no.

North Hampshire Hospital, Basingstoke. (http://www.northhampshire.nhs.uk/patients/wayfinding/nhh.html)

Northampton General Hospital, Northampton. (http://www.northamptonshire.nhs.uk/ngh/)

Hint: Only one of them has the word "General" in the name, and it ain't the one in Basingstoke.

I wonder how often she's actually been there? And I wonder if the staff in the Ear Nose and Throat department would remember when they last had a patient with breast cancer?

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Rolfe.

[slimshady2357]

On the first page of this thread, Frankie's second to last post starts off with:

Rolfe.

How is naming the Hospital my Mother attends which incidentally is called Northampshire hospital getting it wrong?

What is this responding to? Rolfe had not yet posted on the thread.

Was it a response to a post deleted? Or perhaps a response to a post of Rolfe's in a different thread? Or a server belch?

I read this thread in reverse order and kept waiting for Rolfe's post, in case you're wondering why I noticed.

As a side note, I don't recommend reading a thread in reverse order. With all the quotes, you know what's coming...

Adam

[Frankie]

Don't insult me an further by referring to that id kit. It fits more people on here than me.

Also bear in mind bug girl also has a sister suffering breast cancer along with others, are you going to be so and insulting to apply that to them as well. You have to, they after all fit the hellcat Id kit. Even poor Suezoled fits it to a T a nice fitting T. Perhaps too fitting T.

Get off the witch hunt of a past member. Its becoming too obsessive on here. Or is as I suspect just something to justify some members actions for being vile to new members, lurkers and de clockers that don't fit in with what they want. Sure is beginning to look like it from over here in reality land.

I think your actions now, are worse than my honest spelling mistake. At least I can sleep with a clear conscience I made a spelling error( probably one of many). You, well you showed what a nasty person you really are. I hope that prays on your mind and disturbs your sleep. How man other victims in this with hunt of yours(not yours alone) are you going to notch up. 10 20 100, I feel sorry for each and everyone that just like me turns out to be telling the truth and is not a hellcat creature.

Go find a new member to pick on, I'm sure you( not you alone) will gain immense pleasure from it. Your actions also says a lot of what you think about the Admin.

That is really sad.


Frankie.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by slimshady2357
On the first page of this thread, Frankie's second to last post starts off with:



What is this responding to? Rolfe had not yet posted on the thread.

Was it a response to a post deleted? Or perhaps a response to a post of Rolfe's in a different thread? Or a server belch?

I read this thread in reverse order and kept waiting for Rolfe's post, in case you're wondering why I noticed.

As a side note, I don't recommend reading a thread in reverse order. With all the quotes, you know what's coming...

Adam

Slim Shady I posted in by mistake here and not it the flame wars. I then posted it in Flame wars and did not notice my spelling error and space-bar error as I replied to everybody else. I hope that is correct way round.

Frankie.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by slimshady2357
On the first page of this thread, Frankie's second to last post starts off with:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rolfe.

How is naming the Hospital my Mother attends which incidentally is called Northampshire hospital getting it wrong?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is this responding to? Rolfe had not yet posted on the thread.Frankie is posting in three threads simultaneously - this one, the one about breast implants in the same Forum area, and the most interesting and informative one, in Flame Wars, In Defence of Hellcat (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34030&pagenumber=4) (link is to page 4, but the saga starts earlier).

For someone who is constantly visiting this hospital, she seems very unsure of its actual name. And she didn't even mention the name of the town it's in until I posted the link to its own web site.

It's very unusual for a breast cancer patient to be in the Ear Nose and Throat department, too.

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Rolfe.

[slimshady2357]

Originally posted by Frankie


Slim Shady I posted in by mistake here and not it the flame wars. I then posted it in Flame wars and did not notice my spelling error and space-bar error as I replied to everybody else. I hope that is correct way round.

Frankie.

Gotcha. Replied in the worng thread, could happen to anyone. Curiosity satisfied, thanks :)

Adam

[Frankie]

Originally posted by slimshady2357


Gotcha. Replied in the worng thread, could happen to anyone. Curiosity satisfied, thanks :)

Adam
Apparently to anybody, but not me. I am not allowed to make such things I missed that in the new member rule book. I thought it was a few pages missing.

You're welcome.

Frankie.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Frankie is posting in three threads simultaneously - this one, the one about breast implants in the same Forum area, and the most interesting and informative one, in Flame Wars, In Defence of Hellcat (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34030&pagenumber=4) (link is to page 4, but the saga starts earlier).

For someone who is constantly visiting this hospital, she seems very unsure of its actual name. And she didn't even mention the name of the town it's in until I posted the link to its own web site.

It's very unusual for a breast cancer patient to be in the Ear Nose and Throat department, too.

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Rolfe.

That was the ward she recovered on. She was told go to Ward c level 2 and we did. I noticed when she went across to the theatre is said ward C. ENT.

Where there is a bed free in the female only section, and that's where your put. As was this case for my Mother.

Just stop it now Rolfe. You didn't ask about the town and I would have thought the name alone indicates where it is. I refer always to the Hospital name never the town.

The end of the day my conscience is still very clear and I'm telling the truth on the whole Matter and I'd swear on my Father's life(who means the world to me) I am telling the truth.

North Hampshire Hospital Basingstoke. I don't need to google it I know where it is Hope you can find Gales Garage on the Aldermaston Road in google too.



Frankie.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by Frankie
You didn't ask about the town and I would have thought the name alone indicates where it is. I refer always to the Hospital name never the town.Northamptonshire General Hospital. (North-hants)

Aldermaston Road.

Hampshire.There are dozens - no, scores - of towns in Hampshire. Look at a map - quite a few of them are bigger than Basingstoke. You don't ever mention the name of the town in the address? Aldermaston Road, Hampshire? And the name of the hospital helps exactly how? (Especially when you get that bit totally wrong.) Yeah, right.

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Rolfe.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Rolfe
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Rolfe.

Carry on your twisted ways Rolfe. Meet at the hosptial and I'll show you around. Which of course Iwon't know.

I am done with you. You're tiresome tedious and sad. In this instance I'm right and honest and your wrong and shallow hope it doesn't choke you.

Frankie.

[Rolfe]

Originally posted by slimshady2357
Gotcha. Replied in the worng thread, could happen to anyone. Curiosity satisfied, thanks :)Interestingly enough, she pasted exactly the same post to three threads, this one, the breast implants one in this forum, and the one on Flame Wars.

I had only mentioned her persistent misnaming of the hospital she claimed her mother was in in the Flame Wars thread, because that was where her real identity (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28623) was revealed by Luciana. The posts here and in Breast Implants were both total non-sequiturs.

Two mis-posts? Well, we still haven't had the name of the hospital right even once, after dozens of attempts, so I guess anything's possible.

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Rolfe.

[Frankie]

Originally posted by Rolfe
Interestingly enough, she pasted exactly the same post to three threads, this one, the breast implants one in this forum, and the one on Flame Wars.

I had only mentioned her persistent misnaming of the hospital she claimed her mother was in in the Flame Wars thread, because that was where her real identity (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28623) was revealed by Luciana. The posts here and in Breast Implants were both total non-sequiturs.
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Rolfe.
Aren't you wrong along with Luciana on this one just as with the case on Flame and Suezoled. 3 wrongs how many more are you going to add?

Who is next, the latest registrant?


Frankie.

[Rolfe]

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Rolfe.

[bug_girl]

Frankie, i am not at all happy with the way you have violated the privacy of this hospital and it's staff. i would NEVER release this information online. I think that you should have the mods remove the names and phone numbers from your posts ASAP.
In the future, i think if you want to share that information, you should PM it, rather than posting it for all the world to see.

[Soapy Sam]

Bug_girl Much of the info is a matter of public record-
http://www.hrbasingstoke.co.uk/

But I do agree the names of staff members there should be deleted from here.