Dr. Dino "debate" in Minneapolis tonight.

[Hexxenhammer]

Details here. (http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=itinerary&specific=570) With all the Evil-you-shun, ID, and creation debate and outrage going on around here this week, I thought I'd offer this tidbit to the Minnesota skeptics. Hovind will be "debating" a guy named Jamin Dick who appears to be a old earth creationist as opposed to a young earth creationist. I did a google seach on "Jamin Dick". You can imagine the hits I got. But I did figure out that a Minneapolis health supply company called Corad (http://www.coradhealthcare.com/debate.htm) is the sponsor of tonight's "debate". They seem to specialize in stopping excessive sweating. Does Dr. Dino have a hidden, sweaty shame?

[pgwenthold]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Details here. (http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=itinerary&specific=570) With all the Evil-you-shun, ID, and creation debate and outrage going on around here this week, I thought I'd offer this tidbit to the Minnesota skeptics. Hovind will be "debating" a guy named Jamin Dick who appears to be a old earth creationist as opposed to a young earth creationist. I did a google seach on "Jamin Dick". You can imagine the hits I got. But I did figure out that a Minneapolis health supply company called Corad (http://www.coradhealthcare.com/debate.htm) is the sponsor of tonight's "debate". They seem to specialize in stopping excessive sweating. Does Dr. Dino have a hidden, sweaty shame?

Are they advertising it as a "creation-evolution" debate? I hope not, although it's possible.

I don't think any scientist would "debate" Hovind, would they? The guy is a walking non-sequitor...

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by pgwenthold


Are they advertising it as a "creation-evolution" debate? I hope not, although it's possible.

I don't think any scientist would "debate" Hovind, would they? The guy is a walking non-sequitor... No. The Dr. Dino site now appears to be down (it's been that way lately :) )but the Jamin Dick guy (I can't get over that name) was billed as a "passionate believing brother and physicist". I'm pretty sure it's a debate about old/vs/young creation. Of course, old earth will be presented as a scientific strawman for Hovind to demolish.

[Brown]

Ten bucks admission to see a "debate" that promises to be little more than a circle jerk? No thanks.

From the Corad web site:

"Scientific evidence abounds on both sides of the isles." Really? Where might those isles be? In Lake Superior, possibly?

"Come and see Dr. Kent Hovind, who speaks more than 600 times a year on creation science, debate a passionate believing brother, (Jamin Dick,) who has a physics background and a zeal for the study of the creation account." Yes, I'm sure the fur will fly at this contest.

"Both Jamin Dick and Kent Hovind will de-bunk the tax-funded religion of evolution." Here's a use of the word "religion" that I've never encountered before!

[Crossbow]

Cripple Fight!

And to think someone just this morning was discussing the ICAN vs. Bethke fight of old.

:p

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
No. The Dr. Dino site now appears to be down (it's been that way lately :) )but the Jamin Dick guy (I can't get over that name) was billed as a "passionate believing brother and physicist". I'm pretty sure it's a debate about old/vs/young creation. Of course, old earth will be presented as a scientific strawman for Hovind to demolish.

I went to a debate between Duane Gish and some other guy a few months back. Just like Mr. Dick (you know, that's not much better) the guy presenting the evolution side of the debate struck me as a ringer, in my case he supported evolution but was a proponent of teaching ID alongside it. He also couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag, He rambled along for a loooooong time but said nothing. I would be very curious if your Hovind/Dick debate went along similar lines

[Skeptic]

Hovind will be "debating" a guy named Jamin Dick who appears to be a old earth creationist as opposed to a young earth creationist. I did a google seach on "Jamin Dick". You can imagine the hits I got.

Are you sure that's a real person? Could it be that "Jamin Dick" is a fake persona created by a skeptic trying to see just what kind of nonsense "Dr. Dino" will take seriously? The fact that "Jamin Dick" is described as a "passionate believing brother" is rather suspicious, too, at least in my view. Doesn't "Jamin Dick: passionate believing brother" sound a bit TOO much like the title of a "black" gay porn film?

Such a hoax would not be without precedent. In the past, the creationist "Sun films", related to the ICR, ended up with an egg all over their face when George Jammal, a California actor, hoaxed them into sending out a film crew to look for Noah's ark. Jamal told the creationists that he discovered the Ark in Turkey, with the help of an Armenian local, "Mr. Asholian", his Polish friend, "Vladimir Sobitchsky", and a third person, "Allis Buls Hitian".

They STILL fell for it. The details are
here (http://www.skeptic.com/archives17.html)

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Skeptic
Hovind will be "debating" a guy named Jamin Dick who appears to be a old earth creationist as opposed to a young earth creationist. I did a google seach on "Jamin Dick". You can imagine the hits I got.

Are you sure that's a real person? Could it be that "Jamin Dick" is a fake persona created by a skeptic trying to see just what kind of nonsense "Dr. Dino" will take seriously? The fact that "Jamin Dick" is described as a "passionate believing brother" is rather suspicious, too, at least in my view. Doesn't "Jamin Dick: passionate believing brother" sound a bit TOO much like the title of a "black" gay porn film?

Such a hoax would not be without precedent. In the past, the creationist "Sun films", related to the ICR, ended up with an egg all over their face when George Jammal, a California actor, hoaxed them into sending out a film crew to look for Noah's ark. Jamal told the creationists that he discovered the Ark in Turkey, with the help of an Armenian local, "Mr. Asholian", his Polish friend, "Vladimir Sobitchsky", and a third person, "Allis Buls Hitian".

They STILL fell for it. The details are
here (http://www.skeptic.com/archives17.html) I can only hope the guy is a fake. But I'm not shelling out the $10 and a drive in -20 below weather and a trip to a church to find out. I think this is SOP for Hovind.

I've heard that Ark story. Hee-larious.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Crossbow
Cripple Fight!Exactly. You know when 2 squirrels sit on a branch and just chatter away at one another? That's what this debate would sound like to me.

[ca3799]

I'm not familiar with Dr Hovind, but I did see from a website that he (claims to have) taught science classes for 15 years before becoming a 'creation science evangelist' and has answers to "frequently asked questions" about creation science on his site here: http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq

Hoo boy.

[Skeptic]

For more than you probably want to know about "Dr Dino", try here (http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/)

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Skeptic
For more than you probably want to know about "Dr Dino", try here (http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/)

This guy is such a joke. I played a video of him "debating" real scientists and claiming that dinosaurs were on the Ark in a room full of believers and they were all cringing.

I think the fundamentalist baptists may be the only large denomination that still claims young earth.

[shuize]

It's been a while since I spent any time among them, but SDAs also follow "young earth" (6,000 -- 10,000 years) doctrine.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Skeptic
Such a hoax would not be without precedent. In the past, the creationist "Sun films", related to the ICR, ended up with an egg all over their face when George Jammal, a California actor, hoaxed them into sending out a film crew to look for Noah's ark. Jamal told the creationists that he discovered the Ark in Turkey, with the help of an Armenian local, "Mr. Asholian", his Polish friend, "Vladimir Sobitchsky", and a third person, "Allis Buls Hitian".

They STILL fell for it. The details are
here (http://www.skeptic.com/archives17.html)
:dl:

[Zep]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
I went to a debate between Duane Gish and some other guy a few months back. Just like Mr. Dick (you know, that's not much better) the guy presenting the evolution side of the debate struck me as a ringer, in my case he supported evolution but was a proponent of teaching ID alongside it. He also couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag, He rambled along for a loooooong time but said nothing. I would be very curious if your Hovind/Dick debate went along similar lines As soon as I read the "outline" of the debate my cynical Aussie brain said RINGER! in flashing lights. And then I thought: What would happen if dear Kent debated a ringer...and STILL lost? Oh my...

:D

[Zep]

Originally posted by ca3799
I'm not familiar with Dr Hovind, but I did see from a website that he (claims to have) taught science classes for 15 years before becoming a 'creation science evangelist' and has answers to "frequently asked questions" about creation science on his site here: http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq

Hoo boy. Not true. It seems that lying (OK, a liberal interpretation of the truth) was the first thing he learned at his "bible" alma mater.