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ceo_esq
31st January 2004, 12:01 PM
A NYT article (http://www.iht.com/articles/127458.html) picked up in today’s International Herald-Tribune reports on some new research into the relationship between religion and economic development:Forget investment and savings rates, worker productivity and wage scales to determine which countries will become richer or poorer. What really stimulates economic growth is whether you believe in an afterlife - especially hell.

At least that is what two Harvard scholars have found after analyzing data collected in 59 countries from 1981 to 1999. "Our central perspective is that religion affects economic outcomes mainly by fostering religious beliefs that influence individual traits such as honesty, work ethic, thrift and openness to strangers," the researchers, Robert Barro and Rachel McCleary, wrote in the American Sociological Review.

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As the team began its research, McCleary said, it was clear that the widely discussed secularization thesis - the idea that a country becomes more secular as it becomes richer and more industrialized - did not apply to the United States, one of the most religious nations in the world.

And over the past 30 years, many East Asian countries, including Malaysia, Singapore and South Korea, have experienced both rapid economic growth and the spread of Christianity, Barro said.

One of the major challenges to such research is that countries that vary in their religious beliefs and practices also vary in ways that have nothing to do with religion, said Paola Sapienza, a professor of finance at Northwestern University. "Are you really picking up religion, or something that correlates with it, like certain laws or social and economic institutions?" she asked. Last year in the Journal of Monetary Economics, Sapienza, Luigi Zingales of the University of Chicago and Luigi Guiso of the University of Sassari in Rome published a paper that did not compare countries but looked at the relationship between religious beliefs and the attitudes shown to foster economic growth.

In 50 countries, they analyzed the relationship between religion and attitudes toward cooperation, the market economy, laws and women. "On average," they wrote, "religious beliefs are associated with good economic attitudes, where good is defined as conducive to higher per capita income."Look for the Bush Administration to introduce a faith-based economic stimulus package in the first quarter of next year. :rolleyes:

Zero
31st January 2004, 12:10 PM
This seems to contradict the situation in the U.S., which seem to be that the "Bible Belt" states are behind the rest of the country economically.

ceo_esq
31st January 2004, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Zero
This seems to contradict the situation in the U.S., which seem to be that the "Bible Belt" states are behind the rest of the country economically. Yes and no. Some of the weakest economies in the country are found in the Bible Belt, but so are some of the strongest economies (such as North Carolina's). In addition, the agrarian South's economy lagged well before the Bible Belt became distinguishable from the rest of the country in terms of the religiousity of its population, which suggests that other factors account for it. More importantly, however, I suspect that many of the economic analyses that work for country-to-country comparisons don't work very well for state-to-state comparisons because of the overwhelming influence of national economic policy on state economies.

EDITED TO ADD: Also, some of the economists cited in the article indicated that past a certain point, increases in church attendance tended to depress economic growth. Perhaps in the Bible Belt, religion has exceeded the ideal level for a good economy and the religious institutions there are consuming a disproportionate share of resources.

DialecticMaterialist
31st January 2004, 08:42 PM
Actually many of the wealthiest nation's on earth, such as Japan, Germany, and Northern Europe are also the most secular, according to scientific america's measure of modernity. Likewise many of the poorest are very, very religious, this includes south america, south africa and middle eastern.


http://www.sciamdigital.com/browse.cfm?ARTICLEID_CHAR=B2D88C99-2B35-221B-6EA644F9038D22AD&methodnameCHAR=resource_getgroupbrowse&interfacenameCHAR=browse.cfm&Price_DEC=7.95&ISSUEID_CHAR=B2CCC382-2B35-221B-6FB9BB706EFFA096&ArticleTypeSubInclude_BIT=0&sequencenameCHAR=anondownloadfromcart


http://www.swt.org/share/modernity-sciam-1203high64.pdf

Also , I would have to ask, even if religion is somehow tied to wealth, is it tied to happiness? Scientific American also shows that merely being wealthy, does not make you happy.

http://botany1.bio.utk.edu/skeptic/rationallyspeaking/RS03-01-virtue-ethics.html



The same study btw, shows that religion is tied to intolerance towards those of different races, and foreigners, and negative attitudes about women.

I'm not so sure about this, perhaps because I generally distrust sociology and sociology journals.

I'd have to see more to support such views, but according to what I know of scientific american, the most religious countries are those I generally associate with the poorest.

This could be a very complicated matter however, so who knows.

DialecticMaterialist
31st January 2004, 08:44 PM
Also I'm wondering if they took into account Marxist countries, which would of course be poor, though secular. Not because they are secular, but due to the possesion of a socialist economy.

Yahweh
31st January 2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by ceo_esq
Look for the Bush Administration to introduce a faith-based economic stimulus package in the first quarter of next year. :rolleyes:
Hopefully we will smart enough to vote Democratic when the time comes...