Where is the most concise debunking of "dustification?"

[BenBurch]

I am talking with somebody (an old friend) who is convinced that all of the WTC steel was turned to dust, and that the pile that was left was less than ten feet high... Rather than research this all again (I don't have time) can somebody point me to a concise place where the height of the pile and the amount of steel recovered is dealt with?

Thanks!

[sheeplesnshills]

Any of Jammos threads........if you can see the insanity of the believers in "dustification" you need waste little time on it.

As a data point, I saw, with my own eyes, the debris piles a couple of weeks after 911 and will vouch for the estimate of 6 stories high to be pretty accurate.

[KDLarsen]

Count the beams: http://i48.tinypic.com/2cxub5w.jpg

[TSR]

.
9/11 Steel Homcoming (http://www.tnonline.com/node/88915)
.

[BenBurch]

Any figures on the number of tons of steel scrapped?

[walkyrie]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY

[AJM8125]

Cool bro.

[Hokulele]

ElMondoHummus put together a decent summary here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5815016#post5815016

[16.5]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY

Yeah, cool story bro.

I particularly like the part where you can see the bright, intense light given off by the "thermite."

(well, you can the light if you take a sack of hammers and hit yourself repeatedly over the head with it)

[Macgyver1968]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY

Hehe...that's funny...considering aluminum is the fuel that burns in thermite.

[beachnut]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY
Why do they use Aluminum as rocket fuel and it is funny as pointed out already; Aluminum is used in thermite, it is part of the reaction that makes the heat.

Thermite was not found at the WTC, Jones is insane you are gullible. What makes you gullible enough to repeat the moronic thermite lie?

The wall board is leaving dust trails, oops, you failed to figure out how many tons of wallboard were used in the WTC. You have no idea what you are talking about. Thermite leaves a pile of iron as a product of the reaction, there were no piles of thermite, zero thermite damage to any steel, and you believe in an idiotic delusion made up by a madman; Jones thinks the Haiti earthquake was caused by the United States. Nuts

[dafydd]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY

''Blowed up'',lol.

[ElMondoHummus]

ElMondoHummus put together a decent summary here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5815016#post5815016

How bad is it that I didn't even remember I made that post? :boggled::(

Oy... senility...

[ElMondoHummus]

Any figures on the number of tons of steel scrapped?

Gravy quoted a source for some figures on his page:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/groundzerocleanup%2Cfreshkillssortingopera


At the close of the Staten Island Landfill mission:
• 1,462,000 tons of debris had been received and processed
• 35,000 tons of steel had been removed (165,000 tons were removed directly at Ground Zero)
• 806,000 tons of debris had been screened, an average of 75 tons per hour


Unfortunately, the directly link for his source is bad now, so the PANYNJ moved it. But that linked used to be this:
http://disaster.pandj.com/World%20Trade%20Center%20Forensic%20Recovery.pdf

I think there are some other references to the amount eventually recovered too, but I'd have to go look for them; I simply don't remember off the top of my head.

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ETA: Oh, reading down his page, there's some further info.

Work by investigators... is ending with only 25,000 tons of material left to be carted from Lower Manhattan; investigators, mostly New York City police officers, have sorted through 1.6 million tons of material...


So the implication is that 1.85 million tons of debris was sorted through, but I'm not sure how much of that was the steel. What I'm reading indicates that the steel formed a significant amount of that figure, though; other estimates at Gravy's page keep coming back to around 1.2 million tons.

[A W Smith]

Gravy quoted a source for some figures on his page:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/groundzerocleanup%2Cfreshkillssortingopera



Unfortunately, the directly link for his source is bad now, so the PANYNJ moved it. But that linked used to be this:
http://disaster.pandj.com/World%20Trade%20Center%20Forensic%20Recovery.pdf

I think there are some other references to the amount eventually recovered too, but I'd have to go look for them; I simply don't remember off the top of my head.

broken link above archived
http://web.archive.org/web/20070817205859/http://disaster.pandj.com/World+Trade+Center+Forensic+Recovery.pdf

[Unsecured Coins]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee229/marpet_2007/USSNewYork.jpg

[defaultdotxbe]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dustification

[djlunacee]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY

oh brother, someone get me some popcorn and a giant glass of goat milk.....

[jhunter1163]

''Blowed up'',lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4VEGiIQmk

Featuring the late great Anna Nicole Smith and George Takei.

[AJM8125]

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[Thunder]

I am talking with somebody (an old friend) who is convinced that all of the WTC steel was turned to dust, and that the pile that was left was less than ten feet high

according to FEMA, around 350,000 tons of steel was recovered from GZ. each tower had around 100,000 tons of steel in it.

I myself saw the WTC pile...and it was surely higher than 10 feet. I'd put the pile I saw....at at least 40 ft.

[Thunder]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives


didn't the British invent...the English language?

[AJM8125]

The British didn't invent walkyrie though.

[Scott Sommers]

Here you can see How the WTC buildings on 9/11 were blowed-up with controlled demolition disintegration thermite expolsives

notice how all the thousands of jumping pieces of metal have a trail of thermite still reacting and leaving a trail ( metals cannot burn like wood )

the melting charges of thermite were cleverly used to cut the joints of the columns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnC-uUIERY


No, it's not clear to me this is a controlled demolition. I know nothing about demolition. It is pretty clear that no one with any knowledge of demolition agrees with you that it's so obvious. You must be a pretty clever guy to have figured out what's got past all those people who blow up buildings for a living.

Or have the shape shifting reptilian overlords of the world got to them, too?

[Profanz]

I am talking with somebody (an old friend) who is convinced that all of the WTC steel was turned to dust, and that the pile that was left was less than ten feet high... Rather than research this all again (I don't have time) can somebody point me to a concise place where the height of the pile and the amount of steel recovered is dealt with?

Thanks!

I don't know about the debunking so much, but I got a real kick out of this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115721&page=2

You're Welcome!

[cyclonic]

Just show him this video

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[16.5]

I don't know about the debunking so much, but I got a real kick out of this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115721&page=2

You're Welcome!

Thank you!

Oh my gosh, another building turns to dust!

http://www.livevideo.com/video/6DC49873DBF04CE6B80ABF7B2BFAD846/haiti-earthquake-building-coll.aspx

You know, I bet you that Profanz is going to show us a building that collapses and does NOT create a massive amount of dust!

Can a brother get a god damn laughing dog!

[BenBurch]

My friend posted this (http://drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/pics/db_Magnum21.jpg) image from Dr. Judy Woods, claiming it supported her version of pile height, and I prepared this reply image;

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/images/LIDARwithWoodsPictureAndFieldOfView.jpg (My image edit, my server.)

To show her that the image that was being shown to her was a very limited field of view of the site as a whole.

Comments? I think I almost have the perspective lines right.

[Thunder]

Just show him this video

35zZeNcIAZ8

Govt. shill Mossad-agent, CIA crap.

;)

[Mel Odious]

Thank you!

Oh my gosh, another building turns to dust!

http://www.livevideo.com/video/6DC49873DBF04CE6B80ABF7B2BFAD846/haiti-earthquake-building-coll.aspx

You know, I bet you that Profanz is going to show us a building that collapses and does NOT create a massive amount of dust!

Can a brother get a god damn laughing dog!


Sure, why not!

Just for you, Profanz, A 21-Laughing-Dog-Salute (considerately confined to the "spoiler" kennel):

:dl::dl::dl:
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:dl::dl::dl:

[Foolmewunz]

I don't know about the debunking so much, but I got a real kick out of this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115721&page=2

You're Welcome!

Oh, that's a minor stroll around the block, that thread. The earliest fun work done on dustification was when it was referred to as "powderized" by none other than That Man With The Plan, The Master of Mirth, That Realistice Guy,.... Chris Brown.

There was a whole lot of discussion of dustification in The Thread Which Shall Not Have Its Title Mentioned in Public.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Oh, that's a minor stroll around the block, that thread. The earliest fun work done on dustification was when it was referred to as "powderized" by none other than That Man With The Plan, The Master of Mirth, That Realistice Guy,.... Chris Brown.

There was a whole lot of discussion of dustification in The Thread Which Shall Not Have Its Title Mentioned in Public.

"Realistice explanation?"

Once that aweful "deeper than primes" thread surpasses the thread which shall not be named, a piece of Christopher A. Brown will die.

[BenBurch]

Link to this unmentionable thread?

[ElMondoHummus]

My friend posted this (http://drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/pics/db_Magnum21.jpg) image from Dr. Judy Woods, claiming it supported her version of pile height, and I prepared this reply image;

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/images/LIDARwithWoodsPictureAndFieldOfView.jpg (My image edit, my server.)

To show her that the image that was being shown to her was a very limited field of view of the site as a whole.

Comments? I think I almost have the perspective lines right.

Looks quite good to me, personally.

[GlennB]

It isn't quite what you're asking for, but ask them to save and then zoom in and around this overhead shot of GZ and point out the lack of steel (warning it's very large, needs broadband).

GZ (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Wtc-photo.jpg)

[Dave Rogers]

Link to this unmentionable thread?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57426

I suggest you put on a balaclava before reading, in case your brain tries to escape through your ear.

Dave

[16.5]

I don't know about the debunking so much, but I got a real kick out of this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115721&page=2

You're Welcome!

Oh my! Another building is dustificated!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWUodIOAmBk

You're welcome!

[BenBurch]

Looks quite good to me, personally.

I think the base needs to shift left a little as I look at it more.

[Juniversal]

I am talking with somebody (an old friend) who is convinced that all of the WTC steel was turned to dust, and that the pile that was left was less than ten feet high... Rather than research this all again (I don't have time) can somebody point me to a concise place where the height of the pile and the amount of steel recovered is dealt with?

Thanks!Dustification? Not quite. The red circle is to highlight the workers for sake of scale.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/wtcDSC002_closeuphighlight.jpg

Also KDLarsen's pic demonstrated the height of the pile well. Unfortunately can't see the total height of the pile here (and not sure how much clean up had been done) but definately higher then "only 10 feet".

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/wtc2_918.jpg

Dust? Where?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/julphotobucket1/Image276.jpg

[BenBurch]

Another thing I asked her (and she did not reply) is "Where is all the rust?" If you turned 200,000 tons of steel into a fine powder it would all rust almost immediately. If there is enough oxygen, you get Fe2O3 and its red, if there isn't you get FeO and its black. All of Manhattan would have been covered in rust. And there would have been an algae bloom in NY Harbor like you wouldn't believe.

[firecoins]

I am talking with somebody (an old friend) who is convinced that all of the WTC steel was turned to dust, and that the pile that was left was less than ten feet high... Rather than research this all again (I don't have time) can somebody point me to a concise place where the height of the pile and the amount of steel recovered is dealt with?

Thanks!
ummm the pile and the WTC was several stories high.

[Scott Sommers]

These points are now so old I'd forgotten we'd rediscovered them already. There are entertainment and medical devices that reacte to metal. There are magnets in all kinds of machines that you use in your home and workplace. There were no reports of malfunction following 911. MRIs will pull pieces of metal out of people's bodies while they imaging you. There were no reports of this happening following 911.

I guess not only were the WTC buildings turned to dust, whatever weapon that did this also had the ability to demagnetize metal. The buildings were turned to dust, but there's no evidence this ever happened. Live in fear of this weapon!

[BenBurch]

ummm the pile and the WTC was several stories high.

Yeah I know. She says "But I was on the other side of a ten foot fence and could see almost none of it." Either her recollection is flawed or the fence was not in a place you could see the pile from, or she was too close to the fence to see it over the fence.

[Profanz]

ummm the pile and the WTC was several stories high.

That pile must have been designed really strong. Why did the collapse stop there? I wonder why the pile didn't wind up in the bottom of the basement.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/AJ/AJ_pics/Image87.jpg

Removed hotlinked image. Please see Rule 5.

[AJM8125]

That pile must have been designed really strong. Why did the collapse stop there? I wonder why the pile didn't wind up in the bottom of the basement.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/AJ/AJ_pics/Image87.jpg

Yeah, those sub-levels went relatively unscathed, didn't they. :rolleyes:

Damned careless valets.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_268324c00b19d00b49.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=20053)

They really should do something about the litter on the platforms. Disgraceful.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_268324c00b1b3922f6.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=20054)

Train running late? Well there's your problem!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_268324c00b1cb05249.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=20055)

Oh, and really man. Dr. Judy? not you too, say it ain't so.

[Sam.I.Am]

Homeland Insec... Profanz has been heading towards Dr. Judy land for as long as I've noticed him/her. I'm not sure that s/he believes it but s/he is at the very least playing the part of a truther and an antagonizer. In other words, a troll, like most truthers that you see in these parts nowadays.

[BigAl]

That pile must have been designed really strong. Why did the collapse stop there? I wonder why the pile didn't wind up in the bottom of the basement.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a/AJ/AJ_pics/Image87.jpg

Having never seen WTC, you have no idea how extensive the WTC basement levels were. The towers were two acres (one acre each) but the underground spaces were spread over 24 acres and this doesn't count subway tunnels which spread out in all directions.

[BenBurch]

So, Profanz, where is all the rust?

[DGM]

So, Profanz, where is all the rust?
We're talking DEW's here!!!!! There's is no rust or the need for there to be any!!!

Get it?????? DEW's.

Don't ask me to give you any technical jargon or "specifications" because the effects of DEW's are well known.

(it's fun working from "whole cloth with no accountability)


:D

[GlennB]

.... the effects of DEW's are well known.



Well, if DEWS can harness HAARP energy then , anagramatomising, we get:

RAP WASHED
and
WARP SHADE
and (much more significantly)
A PEW SHARD
and (the clincher)
PAD HE WARS

This is worrying.

( wouldn't it be easier to just let us post cute kittie photos? Eh, mods, eh? )

[Profanz]

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9/11 hero

[triforcharity]

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9/11 hero

Good 'ol quote mining at it's best.

If it was dustified, how do you have this?

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC%20Attack/concreteremains2.jpg

And this:

4,257 human remains, that
have resulted in the identification
of over 300 individuals
to date

Approximately 4,000
personal photographs

$78,318.47 in domestic and
foreign currency

54,000 personal items such
as identification cards and
driver licenses

1,358 vehicles including 102
fire apparatus and 61 Police
Department vehicles

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/exhibits/longterm/documents/recovery.pdf

What were you saying?

[Profanz]

The people who first claimed ground-zero was turned to dust were the people who were there. Including the Governor. I find it hilarious that some posters would put up a picture of nothing recognizable as proof of something. Good job.

[triforcharity]

Obviously you didn't look at the link I posted.

Also, do you understand metaphor? How about similie?

[TexasJack]

QcXP2jbxzJI&feature=related

9/11 hero

Yes, another 9/11 hero who thinks you and your ilk are completely nuts. Thanks.

[AJM8125]

The people who first claimed ground-zero was turned to dust were the people who were there. Including the Governor. I find it hilarious that some posters would put up a picture of nothing recognizable as proof of something. Good job.



Oh, and really man. Dr. Judy? not you too, say it ain't so.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2683249a7712e91ebd.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=15433)

[Thunder]

The people who first claimed ground-zero was turned to dust were the people who were there. Including the Governor.

350,000 tons of steel was recovered from GZ.

that's a **** load of dust.

oh, and by the way, I was there.

[BenBurch]

The people who first claimed ground-zero was turned to dust were the people who were there. Including the Governor. I find it hilarious that some posters would put up a picture of nothing recognizable as proof of something. Good job.

I find it to be hilarious that you take somebody's quite understandable reaction to a calamity, not intended to be a forensic statement about it, to be Gospel. If he had said it was "turned to trash," would you insist it was transformed into old newspapers, eggshells, coffee grounds, and bacon grease?

So, your insane claim is that 200,000 tons of structural steel was turned to dust; where is all that steel dust/rust? Turning something to dust will not make it disappear. Conservation of matter. Where is it? Unless you can show that there was 200,000 tons of steel dust, or about 300,000 tons of rust (adding oxygen makes it heavier) you have nothing but a patheticly stupid joke here.

And if there was that much rust, where is the IMMENSE phytoplankton bloom off NYC that would absolutely have resulted from that much rust in the sea?

[BigAl]

The people who first claimed ground-zero was turned to dust were the people who were there. Including the Governor. I find it hilarious that some posters would put up a picture of nothing recognizable as proof of something. Good job.

No eyewitness ever said that steel was turned to dust other than by metaphor or hyperbole. I was an eyewitness to some of the cleanup as it was on my daily commute to work. I know people that worked on the pile starting on 9/11.

Every day I saw more trucks than I could count hauling steel beams away from the site.

If I knew that 9 years later I'd be talking to idiots about this stuff I'd have kept daily journal and done some photography.

There was no shortage of dust. It was from the busted-up Sheetrock and concrete. Lower Manhattan was covered with the stuff.

It rained heavily on 9/12 or 9/13. Had there been any steel in that dust all the concrete sidewalk in lower Manhattan would be stained rust-red to this day.

Needless to say, it's not.