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T'ai Chi
1st February 2004, 11:43 PM
homepage.mac.com/dbem/Precognitive%20Habituation.pdf

Here is an interesting article about Precognitive Habituation that seems to show promising evidence.

MRC_Hans
1st February 2004, 11:51 PM
The test and the stastistics seem straight-forward enough, but I fail to see how it shows anything paranormal. As far as I can see, all it shows is tha effect of sublimal exposure to pictures, which is nothing new.

Hans

Jeff Corey
4th February 2004, 12:53 PM
That link doesn't work for me. How about another one?

Mercutio
4th February 2004, 01:22 PM
What I would like to see on this is a bit less discussion about the RNG capabilities, and instead a statistical analysis of the actual random threads used in the experiments. It really makes no difference how well the machine works over one length of time or another for this particular experiment; what matters is whether the data sets used were at all predictable (and no, it does not have to be consciously detected--in fact, some classical conditioning experiments would argue that a phenomenon like this might work better without conscious awareness).

In other words, for the actual trials used...did the showing of one emotional pic reliably predict a few trials without an emotional pic? If this is the case, over the long haul we should expect to see precisely the sort of "precognitive" effect show up as an experimental artifact. The nice thing is, it is perfectly testable, even in a post-hoc analysis of Bem's data here (might do this, hey, a publication for moi!). We can predict that the subjects who had data sets where the (randomly generated) trials had predictable patterns in them (and this can be determined mathematically, so we don't need raters to determine this) should show higher precognition scores. It should be fairly simple analysis. (btw, this analysis is fairly standard in the "judgments of control" literature--when we look to see how much control subjects feel they have over a random event, we must always be sure to see what the actual outcome of the RNG gave them--just in case they were right!)

Jeff Corey
4th February 2004, 03:13 PM
I still can not link that.
And is Daryl Bemm at it again? I wonder what his colleages at Cornell, like Gilovich, are saying?

Goshawk
4th February 2004, 04:11 PM
Dunno if it's "again", but it's definitely Daryl Bem, and he's definitely at it.

The article is titled, "Precognitive Habituation: Replicable evidence for a Process of Anomalous Cognition", and it notes, "This is a modified version of a presentation given at the 46th annual convention of the Parapsychological Association, Vancouver, B.C., August 2-4, 2003."

WildCat
4th February 2004, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Jeff Corey
I still can not link that.
And is Daryl Bemm at it again? I wonder what his colleages at Cornell, like Gilovich, are saying?
It's to a PDF file, you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader to access it. You can d/l the reader for free here. (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/alternate.html)

Pyrrho
4th February 2004, 04:19 PM
I've read it. Based on a reverse application of the Mere Exposure Effect. My verdict: nonsense. But it should be good for a few bucks worth of grant money.

Aussie Thinker
4th February 2004, 05:38 PM
Mercutio…

I LOVE your avatar.. random shape generator.. I can’t help testing out my precognitive ability on it..

Of course I get completely random results.. Like EVERYONE else

Mercutio
4th February 2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Aussie Thinker
Mercutio…

I LOVE your avatar.. random shape generator.. I can’t help testing out my precognitive ability on it..

Of course I get completely random results.. Like EVERYONE else Damn...I was just getting ready to switch it back to my original. Now I must re-think... But thanks, and thank ceptimus for putting it together!

Jeff Corey
5th February 2004, 05:27 AM
That Mr. Zener, he's such a card.

Jeff Corey
5th February 2004, 05:27 AM
That Mr. Zener, he's such a card.

CFLarsen
5th February 2004, 06:12 AM
How is the image displayed "subliminally"?

There are actually limits to how short a time you can display an image on a computer monitor.

Do we have questions for Mr. Bem? I'll collate them and send him a Larsen List... :)

Mercutio
5th February 2004, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by CFLarsen

Do we have questions for Mr. Bem? I'll collate them and send him a Larsen List... :) Yeah, can I get my hands on the raw data? It is a very simple analysis...