Helen Thomas - Jews, go back to Germany!

[applecorped]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/white-house-press-corps-icon-helen-thomas-tells-jews-to-go-back-to-germany/

"Well this isn’t likely to turn out well for White House Press Corps legend Helen Thomas The senior correspondent to Hearst newspapers was interviewed on camera by Rabbi David Nessenoff of Rabbilive.com (http://www.rabbilive.com/) (during the Jewish Heritage reception at the White House) and let lose some commentary that is sure to make many wonder if seasoned Thomas might be losing it. Thomas has since issued an apology, which can be read below.

“I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.”

[Unabogie]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/white-house-press-corps-icon-helen-thomas-tells-jews-to-go-back-to-germany/

"Well this isn’t likely to turn out well for White House Press Corps legend Helen Thomas The senior correspondent to Hearst newspapers was interviewed on camera by Rabbi David Nessenoff of Rabbilive.com (http://www.rabbilive.com/) (during the Jewish Heritage reception at the White House) and let lose some commentary that is sure to make many wonder if seasoned Thomas might be losing it. Thomas has since issued an apology, which can be read below.

“I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon.”

I couldn't watch the video. What's the quote?

[Thunder]

stupid old bitch saying stupid old bitchy things.

[quixotecoyote]

“The initial reaction to the flotilla massacre, deliberate massacre, an international crime, was pitiful. What do you mean you regret something that should be so strongly condemned, and if any other nation in the world had done it, we would have been up in arms? What is this ironclad relationship where a country that deliberately kills people and boycotts every aid and abet… the boycott?”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/helen-thomas-rails-at-robert-gibbs-over-white-house-stance-on-israeli-flotilla-attack/

Israel really is the shameful blind spot of my side of the political spectrum.

[applecorped]

Jews, go back to Poland and Germany. You're living on some one else's land. Gaza is an occupied territory. Yada, yada.

[Thunder]

Jews, go back to Poland and Germany. You're living on some one else's land. Gaza is an occupied territory. Yada, yada.

i'd love to hear someone say:

"Jews!! Go back to Morocco and Iraq!!!!"

:)

a good 35% of immigrants to Israel came from the Middle East/North Africa. But no one knows this.

[Unabogie]

Jews, go back to Poland and Germany. You're living on some one else's land. Gaza is an occupied territory. Yada, yada.

But can you provide a direct quote? I'm not defending her, I just hate paraphrasing as a quote source.

ETA: Found the youtube. Yeah, it's bad. Granted, she started off making valid point that Israel should get out of the occupied lands, but then she extended that to all of Israel and said Jews should disperse to Poland, Germany, America, "everywhere".

I think she stepped in it, big time.

[Ryokan]

a good 35% of immigrants to Israel came from the Middle East/North Africa. But no one knows this.

And the rest were mostly Russians. There were very few Jews left in Poland and Germany by the time Israel was founded. I'm not sure why.

[Accidental Martyr]

Hmmm, strange. Isn't she about 90 years old? I wonder if this is a sign of dementia?

[Thunder]

And the rest were mostly Russians. There were very few Jews left in Poland and Germany by the time Israel was founded. I'm not sure why.

there were some 300,000 Jews in Poland in 1948.

[Skeptic]

Jews, go back to Poland and Germany. You're living on some one else's land. Gaza is an occupied territory. Yada, yada.

Wait, I thought Germany and Poland belonged to the Poles and Germans and the Jews should go back to where they came from, Palestine?

At least that's what my grandfather & his family were told.

[Skeptic]

ETA: Found the youtube. Yeah, it's bad. Granted, she started off making valid point that Israel should get out of the occupied lands, but then she extended that to all of Israel

For the PLO, Hamas, and most "peace" activists, the "occupied lands" were always, as they say, "all of Palestine, from the river to the sea".

It's not what Israel does or does not do in the WB that is the problem in their eyes, it's its very existence that's unacceptable.

[Unabogie]

For the PLO, Hamas, and most "peace" activists, the "occupied lands" were always, as they say, "all of Palestine, from the river to the sea".

It's not what Israel does or does not do in the WB that is the problem in their eyes, it's its very existence that's unacceptable.

No need to make things up. Have you ever even met a peace activist? Teabags make rotten glasses.

[Ryokan]

there were some 300,000 Jews in Poland in 1948.

And in 1938?

ETA: Wikipedia says there were 180-240 thousand Jews in Poland shortly after the war ended, and that 100-120 thousand left between 1945 and 1948. So depending on when in 1948 we talk about, there could be as little as 60-120 thousand Jews in Poland in 1948.

Anyway, looking at the numbers, I'm clearly mistaken about Poland, and that many Israeli Jews most likely did come from here, although many also left for the USA.

[little grey rabbit]

The Jews should have gone to Texas. The Americans love them, they could have built a nice shiny new Jerusalem in some nice dry corner of the desert and made that bloom using water taken from Mexico and then all the young Jews could go to university, join frat clubs, get drunk and not do 3 years military service.

Everybody would have been a winner

[Skeptic]

No need to make things up. Have you ever even met a peace activist?

I'm an Israeli and a reserve soldier in the IDF. I also worked and studied on American college campuses. In both capacities I've met (though "confronted" or "argued with" is better perhaps) not one, but many "peace activists".

With some exceptions, they are supporters of the destruction of Israel, either through plain ignorance (e.g., thinking the "right of return" means anything except the destruction of Israel) or else by real hatred (as with the folks who simply scream how Israel must be destroyed by the "freedom fighters" of Hamas & co.)

This is because the average (again, there are exceptions) "peace" activist simply doesn't believe Israel has a right to exist, and thinks it is an illegitimate colonialist enterprise. Certainly most of them seem to think the Jews should just "go back where they came from" -- Europe.

Yes, more than half the Jews in Israel today have their origins in the Levant, but the average "peace activist" simply doesn't know or care; that ruins the "evil colonialist enterprise" worldview, and nothing so mundane as facts gets past that worldview.

[Unabogie]

I'm an Israeli and a reserve soldier in the IDF. I also worked and studied on American college campuses. In both capacities I've met (though "confronted" or "argued with" is better perhaps) not one, but many "peace activists".

With some exceptions, they are supporters of the destruction of Israel, either through plain ignorance (e.g., thinking the "right of return" means anything except the destruction of Israel) or else by real hatred (as with the folks who simply scream how Israel must be destroyed by the "freedom fighters" of Hamas & co.)

This is because the average (again, there are exceptions) "peace" activist simply doesn't believe Israel has a right to exist, and thinks it is an illegitimate colonialist enterprise. Certainly most of them seem to think the Jews should just "go back where they came from" -- Europe.

Yes, more than half the Jews in Israel today have their origins in the Levant, but the average "peace activist" simply doesn't know or care; that ruins the "evil colonialist enterprise" worldview, and nothing so mundane as facts gets past that worldview.

Generalizing is stupid 99% of the time. You and Helen have a lot in common, it seems.

[Caustic Logic]

The Jews should have gone to Texas. The Americans love them, they could have built a nice shiny new Jerusalem in some nice dry corner of the desert and made that bloom using water taken from Mexico and then all the young Jews could go to university, join frat clubs, get drunk and not do 3 years military service.

Everybody would have been a winner

No, the US ALREADY control those oil fields.

Oooh, that'll get Skeptic TOd.

[leonAzul]

Helen was a pundit, thought she was teh pwner,
But she's just another scam.
When the mic is open, how she pulls a boner;
Then she gets it on the cam.

Get back!
Get back!
Get back to where you once belonged!

Get back, Helen!

[Kopji]

...In 1968 Thomas was named the "Newspaper Woman of Washington" by the American Newspaper Woman's Club, and in 1975, she was named the "Woman of the Year" in communications by Ladies Home Journal. She has also received the Matrix Award from the Women in Communications, and the World Almanac named Helen Thomas as one of the twenty-five most influential women in America.

Thomas has received numerous honorary doctorate degrees, some of the most recent from Brown University, St. Bonaventure University, Michigan State University and the George Washington University. In addition, she has been a commencement speaker at dozens of colleges and has delivered lectures on the White House and the Presidency throughout the country.

Helen Thomas traveled around the world several times with Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton, and covered every economic summit. In February, 1972, she was the only newspaperwoman to travel with President Nixon to China during his breakthrough trip. Since then, she has been to China on many subsequent presidential visits...

http://www.helenthomas.org/helenthomasbiography.html

Must be frustrating that the message is not getting out when a person with such impressive credentials is on the wrong side.

Just to clarify something from the OP that might be confusing - Helen Thomas works for Hearst News Service corporation, covering the White House. She is a private citizen not a member of the US administration.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Never understood why people liked her, she was always obnoxious.

*Won't touch the Israel thing with a ten foot pole*

[Skeptic]

Generalizing is stupid 99% of the time. You and Helen have a lot in common, it seems.

My generalization is based on extensive experience. Sorry it doesn't fit your worldview.

[angrysoba]

i'd love to hear someone say:

"Jews!! Go back to Morocco and Iraq!!!!"

:)

a good 35% of immigrants to Israel came from the Middle East/North Africa. But no one knows this.

No one knows this?

Well, you do for a start. And I knew this. But you're right if you mean that such things are not very well-known and very rarely make up the simplistic narrative offered up by journalists such as Helen Thomas.

One thing I did not know was that Helen Thomas' family is from Lebanon. Does anyone ever tell her to "go back"? Of course, not. Jews must live in the US or Germany and Poland BUT not in the Middle East. Presumably she can live anywhere she wants.

[Kopji]

She's been doing this long enough to earn the nick 'wicked witch of the press'.

Humm, I think I like her. :) Sort of a walking talking political cartoon. Likes stirring the pot just to see what rises to the top. Asked Obama if he knew of any nuclear powers in the Mideast.

[Pardalis]

She looks like Kissinger in drags.

[Pardalis]

BTW, dos she think Canadians, Americans and Mexicans should go back to Europe? After all, this is the Natives' land.

[Dancing David]

I couldn't watch the video. What's the quote?

One is "get the hell out of Palestine".

[Meadmaker]

It's sad to end a career on such an unfortunate note, but she really has only herself to blame.

[Puppycow]

It's time for Helen to retire.

Reporters are supposed to report stories, not be the story.

[Thunder]

I'm an Israeli and a reserve soldier in the IDF.

no kidding.

[Skeptic]

True, but the mainstream media had already ground what was left of their credibility to shred by willingly becoming Obama's PR machine during the 2008 election, so I guess they figured they've got nothing to lose, and might as well make their progressive politics (peace, happiness, expulsion of Jews, freedom, equality, etc.) overt.

[corplinx]

Her anti-semitism is apparently well known in Washington press corps circles and gets a wink and a nod for some reason.

At some white house press corps event where they lampoon each other, James Rosen stole the show by hitching his pants to his chest, squinting, and saying like Helen Thomas "Ari... this president wasn't even elected... why is he in cahoots with those murderous jews". This was greeted by great laughter.

Maybe its the huge blind spot the beltway insiders have for each other. At that time, Helen was usually the talk of the town because the Bush admin put her on the back row and wouldn't take her loaded crappy questions.

Obama, appeasing the left wing blogosphere, made sure to laud her in his first press conference as president, where she sat on the front row. You know, so she could ask loaded questions about Israel that edify nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVGWdLsAoBA

One thing is for sure, I don't think there will be any more of this kind of sycophantic nonsense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlInhFCpyKA

[carlitos]

All of mankind should go back to Africa, I guess.

[MikeMangum]

But can you provide a direct quote? I'm not defending her, I just hate paraphrasing as a quote source.

ETA: Found the youtube. Yeah, it's bad. Granted, she started off making valid point that Israel should get out of the occupied lands, but then she extended that to all of Israel and said Jews should disperse to Poland, Germany, America, "everywhere".

I think she stepped in it, big time.

You have to keep in mind that for many people, "the occupied lands" includes Israel.

[Meadmaker]

You have to keep in mind that for many people, "the occupied lands" includes Israel.

That's what I took from the clip posted at the start of this thread. When she said "Get the hell out of Palestine", I'm pretty sure she wasn't talking about the lands that most people call "the West Bank" or "Gaza" or "The Palestinian Authority" or "the occupied territories". I'm pretty sure she meant all of those places, plus that little spot that most modern maps label "Israel".

Unless she said something earlier than that clip, she was talking about eliminating the State of Israel, and sending all Jews who were immigrants or descended from immigrants home.

Also on that note, there is some talk about where the people in Israel came from, mentioning places like Poland. Very few Israelis today came from Poland. Most of the ones who did come from Poland have since died. Most Israelis were born in Israel.

[Thunder]

talking about sending the Jews back to Germany and Poland, suggests to me that she wants ALL Jews from the River to the Sea, to go "back where they came from".

[Cicero]

"Well this isn’t likely to turn out well for White House Press Corps legend Helen Thomas The senior correspondent to Hearst newspapers was interviewed on camera by Rabbi David Nessenoff of Rabbilive.com (http://www.rabbilive.com/) (during the Jewish Heritage reception at the White House) and let lose some commentary that is sure to make many wonder if seasoned Thomas might be losing it."

Where has this guy been for the last several decades? Thomas has been the Washington Press Corp's chief distributor of crapola since JFK was POTUS.

"The day Dick Cheney is going to run for president, I'll kill myself. All we need is one more liar." Helen Thomas, 2005, The Hill

“What I really worry about is that I think the bloggers and everyone, everyone with a laptop thinks they’re journalists,” Thomas said. “And, they certainly don’t have our standards. They don’t have our ethics, and so forth. There’s a deterioration,” she continued. “Reporters laid down on the job in the run up to this [the Iraq] war.” Helen Thomas

http://businessandmedia.org/articles...105141332.aspx

Bloggers don't have her "standards" or "ethics?" Wow! That's a low bar to limbo under.

"Slate's media critic Jack Shafer, for example, complained that Helen doesn't ask questions, she gives speeches, and that "she ends up taking the air out of the room for intelligent criticism of the president and helps make the press corps look like a Saturday Night Live skit."
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Honoring_Helen_Thomas_0804.html


Helen Thomas: I'm a liberal, I was born a liberal, I'll be one 'til I die, what else should a reporter be when you see so much and when we have such great privilege and access to the truth?"

CBC Interviewer: "Well, you know, it's interesting because I'm sure that if somebody from the right was sitting here they would say... if you ask the question what should a reporter be they will say, "Oh, I don't know, How about objective?"

Helen Thomas: "You're not asking people not to think not to care are you? But you are asking them to give a fair reporting both sides and so forth and I did it for 57 years I was never, never accused of bias in my copy. But I had a right to be angry and unhappy at the trend that I saw in my country that I was close enough to see."

[NoScotsman]

Helen would fit right in at most universities. In fact, as a guest lecturer, her comments would seem tame by comparison.

Those crazy kids ... they hate the Jews but love the vampires.

Also, regarding Helen saying "“What I really worry about is that I think the bloggers and everyone, everyone with a laptop thinks they’re journalists.” This sentiment always cracks me up. Journalism isn't a serious discipline. Anyone with a student loan and four years to spare can be one.

[Skeptic]

Those crazy kids ... they hate the Jews but love the vampires.

They're ambivalent about vampire Jews (http://assets.vbs.tv/blog_articles/images/000/000/546/siouxsie-with-jewish-star-tshirt-1_blog.jpg), however.

[Skeptic]

Her anti-semitism is apparently well known in Washington press corps circles and gets a wink and a nod for some reason.

I can see why she's treated as the local crazy lady, whose sayings are not worth taking too seriously. That is hardly support of her antisemitism. But, I can't help thinking that if she said the same things about Blacks or Muslims or whomever, things would not be so easily winked-and-nodded away.

[applecorped]

Her agency has dropped her.

[Arrow]

Ugly - I'm all for free speech, but at the same time there can be consequences for what is said.

[joobz]

her apology rings hollow. She meant what she said, and it displays a complete selective version of history.

[Meadmaker]

her apology rings hollow. She meant what she said, and it displays a complete selective version of history.

That's what I thought as well. I might be able to forgive such a stupid statement as what she said if she had come back and said something along the lines of, "I apologize. I had been drinking..." followed by a real explanation of what she meant. I can see somebody saying those words in an off the record conversation, without actually meaning what it sounded like she meant. However, the "apology", made it sound like she pretty much meant what she said.

Of course, now that her career is over, she'll probably blame the Jews that control the media.

[Pardalis]

Her agency has dropped her.

I hope she didn't break her hip.

[FreshHat]

the jews should have gone to texas. The americans love them, they could have built a nice shiny new jerusalem in some nice dry corner of the desert and made that bloom using water taken from mexico and then all the young jews could go to university, join frat clubs, get drunk and not do 3 years military service.

Everybody would have been a winner

. . .

[Skeptic]

Of course, now that her career is over, she'll probably blame the Jews that control the media.

I must revise my informal assessment that she was treated lightly because it was "only" about Jews.

Anyway, she won't blame "the Jews", she'll blame "conservative media bias". You know, 50 years of loony liberal political hackery and next thing you know, the conservatives will terminate your career just because of disgusting antisemitic statement you made. It's a conspiracy.

[Noztradamus]

That's what I thought as well. I might be able to forgive such a stupid statement as what she said if she had come back and said something along the lines of, "I apologize. I had been drinking..." followed by a real explanation of what she meant. I can see somebody saying those words in an off the record conversation, without actually meaning what it sounded like she meant. However, the "apology", made it sound like she pretty much meant what she said.



Yeah, but the next morning, Mel Gibson was sober.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

An open letter to Helen Thomas (http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=177668)
By YORAM DORI

Dear Ms. Thomas, I read on numerous Web sites the remarks attributed to you (and I did not see any denial) that we, the Jews must “get the hell out of Palestine” and “go home” to Germany or Poland. I am convinced that you are aware of the events which took place during the years 1939-1945 but, to be certain, I think it appropriate to tell you a little about my parents and their families.

My mother was sent to Palestine from Germany in 1933 with the rise of the Nazis to power by her farseeing parents. The British blockade, which prevented Jews fleeing the Nazi horrors from entering, made it difficult for her and only the pretext of coming on a tourist visit enabled her to enter and remain alive. Her older sister, Sarah, her husband and three children aged 12, 10 and seven did not succeed in finding a way of coming to Palestine and were sent by the Nazis to Poland and from there, their journey to the Auschwitz gas chambers, was short. I understand that it is there that you wish to send me.

Ouch! That's gotta hurt! :D

[dafydd]

She looks like Kissinger in drags.

In drag,dear boy,in drag.

[Beerina]

I think it's time to put her out to pasture.

[Skeptic]

Judging by her photographs, she isn't quite as nice as she looks.

Anyway, yet another "liberal" "activist" journalist who is "just an anti-zionist" turns out to be a Jew-hater.

Surprise, surprise.

[Skeptic]

Jay Nordlinger's take (using quote from a much longer piece since I can't directly link to it):

With the hard-core anti-Israel crowd, the problem is not “occupation,” not the addition of in-law suites in Jerusalem: The problem is Israel itself. The very right of that state to exist. People like Helen Thomas are way to the “left,” if that’s the term, of the official position of the PLO. They are in line with Hamas and Hezbollah — and their patron in Iran.

The PLO-niks — Saeb Erekat, Hanan Ashrawi — are now the Uncle Toms of the anti-Israel community. Helen Thomas and the flotilla people are in the cool, fashionable forefront.

One of the things that encourage Israel’s enemies is the idea that the Jewish state is only temporary: that it is just a passing problem, not here to stay. The existence of Israel is conditional at best: Maybe if they behave themselves, we’ll let them stick around for a few more years, until demographics overwhelm them . . .

It would be helpful to peace in the Middle East if Israel’s enemies could be absolutely sure that Israel is not going anywhere: that it is here to stay. Remember the old gay slogan? “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it”? Israel’s enemies need to know something like that about Israel. But as long as they have the feeling that the world — you know: “the world,” as in the New York Times, the U.N., and Bono — is not really committed to the existence of Israel, they will push for Israel’s destruction.

I'm not so sure about Nordlinger's views here -- the Arabs had not the slightest problem trying to genocide the Jews in Israel the minute the state was born, regardless of what "the world" thought about it; and the PLO's official position is still the "staged plan" for Israel's annihilation -- but he has a point.

[Gangularis]

All of mankind should go back to Africa, I guess.

No, all of mankind should go to designated homelands, and forcefully purge the existing residents.

Also, the title of this thread is pretty sick in it's spin. She said they should "go back to Poland, Germany, America, and everywhere else". What a god awful thing for her to suggest, that jewish people integrate into society like the majority of most ethnicities. She's obviously a firm supporter of ethnic cleansing of the jews.

[BenBurch]

Helen Thomas just announced her retirement.

[drkitten]

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[Emet]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/white-house-press-corps-icon-helen-thomas-tells-jews-to-go-back-to-germany/

"Well this isn’t likely to turn out well for White House Press Corps legend Helen Thomas The senior correspondent to Hearst newspapers was interviewed on camera by Rabbi David Nessenoff of Rabbilive.com (http://www.rabbilive.com/) (during the Jewish Heritage reception at the White House)
<snip>



According to slate (2003) (http:///www.slate.com/id/2080034), ...she is no longer the Helen Thomas of yesteryear, a deadline artist writing news for tens of millions of UPI readers. She left the waning wire in silent protest, after convicted felon Rev. Sun Myung Moon's News World Communications rescued it from collapse in 2000, and took a job at the Hearst News Service. There, Helen Thomas the Pundit writes a sharply partisan syndicated White House column about what she thinks—as opposed to Helen Thomas the Reporter, who wrote about what she'd learned. How bad is the column? Only a couple of Hearst papers, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and the Houston Chronicle, publish her pieces with any regularity.


She may still have her White House press chair, but her marbles... not so much.

[Cleon]

The press pool's answer to Marge Schott is retiring effective immediately (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/07/breaking-helen-thomas-has-retired-hearst-announces/?fbid=-MTcqFajN2c&hpt=T2).

IOW, fired, albeit with a small shred of dignity left.

[OnlyTellsTruths]

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Wow, aren't you supposed to put "Fixed" or something when you edit a quote in such a conflicting way?

For that matter, editing quotes doesn't ever look good.

[Ziggurat]

The press pool's answer to Marge Schott is retiring effective immediately (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/07/breaking-helen-thomas-has-retired-hearst-announces/?fbid=-MTcqFajN2c&hpt=T2).

IOW, fired, albeit with a small shred of dignity left.

A testament to the power of citizen media, enabled by the internet and cheap video cameras.

I'm glad she's retiring, but she should have been kicked to the curb years ago. No wonder newspapers can't turn a profit.

Edit: Oh, and I suspect the fact that there's more to come (http://www.rabbilive.com/RabbiLIVE/Home.html) probably had something to do with her decision to retire. This technique of successive releases of damning video (which I first noticed from the Mona Lisa Project, but gained more exposure with the ACORN scandal) is here to stay too.

[Brainster]

So, when's she moving back to Lebanon?:D

[Noztradamus]

Helen Thomas just announced her retirement.

Decided to spent more time with her family?

[Chaos]

Wow, aren't you supposed to put "Fixed" or something when you edit a quote in such a conflicting way?

For that matter, editing quotes doesn't ever look good.

Why is it that certain people only ever object to those that react to venom-spewing bigots, not to the venom-spewing bigots themselves?

[marksman]

@ Noztradamaus: If so, expect the family to announce that it is coming out of retirement. :)

[Arrow]

I really enjoyed Bernie Goldberg's write up today about Helen - "Get the hell out and go home".

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/helen-thomas-speaks-unfortunately/

[Cain]

Helen Thomas is the man!

[GrouchoMarxist]

No need to make things up. Have you ever even met a peace activist? Teabags make rotten glasses.



Seemed like a good idea at the time though, right?

[GrouchoMarxist]

Her agency has dropped her.



They didn't drop her.
She's fallen and she can't get up.

[Ziggurat]

Helen Thomas is the a man!

Fixed that for ya.

[GrouchoMarxist]

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Maybe you could try Buddhism?

[cienaños]

Helen Thomas Hates America

Her work as a face model for people who sketch demons will be scrutinized.

The spawn of maggots are among us. If you are Jewish, you are quite possibly one of these maggot eggs. If you are not Jewish, you are also quite possibly one of these maggot eggs.

If you do not agree with this statement, kindly remove your tongue from your mother's mouth and slide it into a live outlet. Now please.

[GrouchoMarxist]

No, all of mankind should go to designated homelands, and forcefully purge the existing residents.

Also, the title of this thread is pretty sick in it's spin. She said they should "go back to Poland, Germany, America, and everywhere else". What a god awful thing for her to suggest, that jewish people integrate into society like the majority of most ethnicities. She's obviously a firm supporter of ethnic cleansing of the jews.


Well then.
At least she gave somebody a hardon.

[Meadmaker]

In an article about this situation, I saw something that made my ears perk up. The man who posted the infamous video clip said that he was standing there with two other people wearing yarmulkes while he was filming. He also said another excerpt would be posted soon.

It made me wonder what the rest of the interview was like, and whether he would have the courage to post the entire interview to provide context. Most people, even 89 year olds with a reputation for confrontational journalism, would be somewhat guarded when facing people who, by their dress, identify themselves as people not likely to take kindly to your comments. In other words, most people who think that the Jews ought to get out of Palestine aren't all that likely to say it to Jews.

It makes me wonder if the stuff that was left off of the excerpt was, perhaps, part of a longer conversation that was rather confrontational. Maybe Ms. Thomas just grew irritated with some people, lost her temper, and made some inappropriate comments.

It doesn't make those comments any more palatable, but perhaps more understandable. At any rate, I think the people who filmed that segment and made it public really ought to make the whole thing public. Since people are judging Ms. Thomas on her remarks, the person who published those remarks ought to at least give us the opportunity to see the entire context so we can make a more accurate judgement.

[marksman]

He did post the whole "interview (http://www.rabbilive.com/RabbiLIVE/Home.html)". As far as I can tell, the Rabbi was in DC for a Jewish Heritage event with some students and ran into Helen Thomas on the street. He started filming. First he asked her for some advice for his students who might want to join the press corps, and she was very gracious. Then he explains why he and his students are in DC for the day (Jewish Heritage Day) and asks her if she has a position on Israel. That's when she lets loose her comment. As far as I can tell, it is unprovoked. The question beforehand is congenial, and no hint of irritation. After her remark, she seems congenial, completely unaware of how offensive her comment is.

The whole encounter is less than two minutes long.

Here's the transcript:
Nesenoff: Any advice for these young people over here for starting out in the press corps?
Thomas: Go for it. you'll never be unhappy, you'll always keep people informed, and you'll always keep learning. The greatest thing about the profession is never stop learning.
Nesenoff: Today they're covering the Jewish Heritage month, so --
Thomas: Going to meet the President?
Nesenoff: Yes. And, uh, any comments on Israel? We're asking everybody today--
Thomas: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.
Nesenoff: Ooo. Any better comments than that?
Thomas' friend: Helen is wild.
Thomas: Remember, these people are occupied and it is their land. It's not German, it's not Poland.
Nesenoff: So where should they go?
Thomas: They should go home.
Nesenoff: Where's home?
Thomas: Poland.
Nesenoff: So the Jews--
Thomas: Germany
Nesenoff: So the Jews should go back to Poland and to Germany.
Thomas: And America and everywhere else. Why push people out who are, who lived there for centuries?
Nesenoff: Now, are you familiar with the history of that region?
Thomas: Very much. I'm of Arab background.
Nesenoff: I see. You speak Arabic?
Thomas: No. [[I couldn't understand what she says]]
Nesenoff: [[Begins to speak in that language]]
Thomas: Very little.
Nesenoff: [[Tries another phrase in that language]]
Thomas: Wait a minute. We were too busy Americanizing our parents.
Nesenoff: My goodness. Learn a little Arabaic, learn a little Herew--
Thomas (to Nesenoff's companions): All the best.
Nesenoff's companion: Take care.
Thomas: Go for journalism. You'll never regret it.
Nesenoff's companion: Thank you.
Nesenoff: Thank you.

[coalesce]

It never ceases to amaze people that people who spend their life either in front of a microphone or covering the people in front of the microphone, seem to be clueless that when a microphone is put in front of them, that they're words very well may be RECORDED for all to hear.

Fancy that...

Michael

[GrouchoMarxist]

I get the sense they expected/hoped she'd embarrass herself because she's not in full possession of her faculties.
She used to pull the same thing on president Reagan, so I guess what goes around comes around.

Still, it just doesn't seem right somehow.

[marksman]

I don't get that sense at all. It appears the meeting was happenstance, on the Mall in DC. It wasn't a prepared interview. The initial question was friendly and the question that got her in trouble was open-ended. All of his follow-up questions were just clarifying. Heck, he even gave her a chance to correct her initial less offensive staement when he asked "any better comments than that"? That should have clued her in that she was perhaps speaking impoliticly (and this is before the "go home" comments). Heck, her friend (who I suspect was her niece) seemed to realize Thomas was making a gaffe when she said "Helen is wild".

Thomas didn't care because she didn't think her comments were offensive.

"Any comments on Israel" is not what I would consider a "trap" or "gotcha" question at a Jewish Heritage Day event. One would have thought a polite "We all hope for peace" would have sufficed as an answer, or at a minimum a "No thanks. Have a nice day."

These were tourists at a social event and ran into a DC celebrity. So they pulled out their digital camera and started recording. The first question makes it pretty clear they weren't ambushing her. They were looking for some nice mementos of their trip. "Oh, look. Here's us with Helen Thomas. What a nice lady. Lion of the Press Corps, you know. Told us how great it was to be in the media, and then told us she prayed for peace in the Middle East."

That's what it would have been if she hadn't told us what she really thought.

[Ziggurat]

Thomas didn't care because she didn't think her comments were offensive.


I suspect there's also an element of arrogance involved. She's the grand dame of the Washington press corps. The guy interviewing her was a nobody. What could possibly happen?

Well, what happened is that a no-name person with a Flip video camera took down one of the biggest names in journalism. It's a new world, and the dinosaurs haven't figured it out yet.

[Meadmaker]

I suspect there's also an element of arrogance involved. She's the grand dame of the Washington press corps. The guy interviewing her was a nobody. What could possibly happen?

Well, what happened is that a no-name person with a Flip video camera took down one of the biggest names in journalism. It's a new world, and the dinosaurs haven't figured it out yet.

After I read the full transcript above, that was my thought as well. She just didn't get YouTube and the new media.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I suspect there's also an element of arrogance involved. She's the grand dame of the Washington press corps. The guy interviewing her was a nobody. What could possibly happen?

Well, what happened is that a no-name person with a Flip video camera took down one of the biggest names in journalism. It's a new world, and the dinosaurs haven't figured it out yet.

After I read the full transcript above, that was my thought as well. She just didn't get YouTube and the new media.




“What I really worry about is that I think the bloggers and everyone, everyone with a laptop thinks they’re journalists,” Thomas said. “And, they certainly don’t have our standards. They don’t have our ethics, and so forth. There’s a deterioration,” she continued. “Reporters laid down on the job in the run up to this [the Iraq] war.” Helen Thomas

http://businessandmedia.org/articles...105141332.aspx

Helen Thomas: I'm a liberal, I was born a liberal, I'll be one 'til I die, what else should a reporter be when you see so much and when we [B]have such great privilege and access to the truth?"


Yeah, I think you guys are right.
But do you think she's a little out of it at least?
Do you think those guys feel like they struck gold? - She pretty much lost her bully pulpit I think.

[marksman]

I think those guys were shocked that upon leaving a Jewish Heritage Day event, they would run into Helen Thomas, who would say the Jews in Israel should "go back" to Poland and Germany.

Is she out of it? Nobody at Hearst had considered her unfit for her duties prior to this remark. She seems physically frail, as she leans on her niece(?) while walking away. But we have no indication that her mental capacity has diminished in any way.

[applecorped]

But we have no indication that her mental capacity has diminished in any way.

....or do we?:boxedin:

[Sword_Of_Truth]

We'd have to know what she started with before we can determine if it's been diminished.

[GrouchoMarxist]

We'd have to know what she started with before we can determine if it's been diminished.

Seriously, I've been watching her Python up press conferences since the Nixon administration - and I have no idea.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I think those guys were shocked that upon leaving a Jewish Heritage Day event, they would run into Helen Thomas, who would say the Jews in Israel should "go back" to Poland and Germany.

Is she out of it? Nobody at Hearst had considered her unfit for her duties prior to this remark. She seems physically frail, as she leans on her niece(?) while walking away. But we have no indication that her mental capacity has diminished in any way.

Better keep an eye on them too.

[marksman]

What does that last comment even mean?

[dudalb]

It's time for Helen to retire.

Reporters are supposed to report stories, not be the story.

She should have retired about Ten Years ago.
There is a reason why AP dropped her as a reporter.

[dudalb]

. . .

"They Ain't Making Jews Like Jesus Anymore"......

[NoZed Avenger]

Yeah, I think you guys are right.
But do you think she's a little out of it at least?



If this were completely out of line with previous statements/behavior, I might buy the dottie old aunt defense. But there have been plenty of prior instances that lead me to believe this was not some out of the blue, one-time thing.

If I have time this evening, I'll look, but I recall references to a press event where her views on Jews/Israel were apparently well known enough that another reporter spoofing her made comments about it.

That's from memory, though, so don't accpet it as gospel.

[Thunder]

If she said, "blacks should get the hell out of the USA and go back to Africa", she would have not survived 5 minutes.

[Skeptic]

Judging by her liberal credentials, she's probably opposed to Arizona's immigration law.

I suggest that, to comply with her wishes, a special task force will be send to the Mexican border. If they catch an illegal immigrant, they check if they happen to be Jewish.

If they're not, they're allowed in.

If they are, they're deported to Poland.

[leonAzul]

Es ist genug. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/an-end-for-helen-thomas-and-the-helen-thomas-rules/?scp=3&sq=helen%20thomas&st=cse)

[HumanityBlues]

I bet you a lot of people thought Helen Thomas was Jewish before this whole debacle.

[Gangularis]

Judging by her liberal credentials, she's probably opposed to Arizona's immigration law.

I suggest that, to comply with her wishes, a special task force will be send to the Mexican border. If they catch an illegal immigrant, they check if they happen to be Jewish.

If they're not, they're allowed in.

If they are, they're deported to Poland.

Good one, except she said they should be allowed in to "America and everywhere". Your stupid joke almost applies... ok, not really.. but still..


I bet you a lot of people thought Helen Thomas was Jewish before this whole debacle.

You don't think there are jews that are anti-zionist?

If she said, "blacks should get the hell out of the USA and go back to Africa", she would have not survived 5 minutes.


Yeah, because that would've been a really stupid analogy, considering "blacks" were never segregated as a solution to segregation.. Instead, they were integrated.. What would you say if some other super power had taken it upon themselves to kick everyone out of New Orleans that wasn't black, and made a pure "African American" state at the cost of other's detriment? Hmm? How about we bulldoze some homes down south, and get to work on that?

[Skeptic]

Es ist genug. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/an-end-for-helen-thomas-and-the-helen-thomas-rules/?scp=3&sq=helen%20thomas&st=cse)

"Asking tough, provocative questions" is NYT-ese for "ranting against Conservatives and being tolerated on the 'crazy aunt in the attic' rules".

[Skeptic]

Good one, except she said they should be allowed in to "America and everywhere".

Except Israel, the one place in the world that must become Jundenfrei.

Support of ethnic cleansing is cool, so long as it's ethnic cleansing of Jews, apparently.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I bet you a lot of people thought Helen Thomas was Jewish before this whole debacle.

Helen Thomas? I thought this was about Helen Hunt. What was the name of that TV show again? That was a good show.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I got it! Mad About Hungarian!

[GrouchoMarxist]

Originally Posted by drkitten
Edited by LashL: Removed quoted moderated content



Maybe you could try Buddhism?





Anyone? Buddha here, getcher buddha
hurry hurry hurry
step right up
getcher buhdda

[Lurker]

What would you say if some other super power had taken it upon themselves to kick everyone out of New Orleans that wasn't black, and made a pure "African American" state at the cost of other's detriment? Hmm? How about we bulldoze some homes down south, and get to work on that?
Is that really a good analogy? Plenty of non-Jews are living in Israel so it is not "pure" by any stretch of the imagination.

From Wiki:

Making up 16% of the population, Muslims constitute Israel's largest religious minority. About 2% of the population are Christian and 1.5% are Druze.

[Gangularis]

Is that really a good analogy? Plenty of non-Jews are living in Israel so it is not "pure" by any stretch of the imagination.

From Wiki:

What was the point of Israel, again?

[GrouchoMarxist]

What was the point of Israel, again?

It's right above the Gulf of Aqaba, you can't miss it.



Edit: Unless you're using a N. Korean rocket.

[Cicero]

I bet you a lot of people thought Helen Thomas was Jewish before this whole debacle.

No, but a lot of people figured she was the model for gargoyles.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/helen-thomas.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/Gargoyle2.jpg

[dudalb]

Old Age is a Shipwreck.

[GrouchoMarxist]

No, but a lot of people figured she was the model for gargoyles.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/helen-thomas.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/Gargoyle2.jpg

That was unkind.:(


Was it something she said?:duck:

[GrouchoMarxist]

Old Age is a Shipwreck.

And youth is a leaky little dinghy.

[NoZed Avenger]

(Ed: combining 2 posts)
Helen Thomas? I thought this was about Helen Hunt. What was the name of that TV show again? That was a good show.

I got it! Mad About Hungarian!

Surely "Mad about Jew."

[GrouchoMarxist]

Surely "Mad about Jew."

No, no that's not the one.

[Doctor Evil]

Surely "Mad about Jew."

Win!

[NoZed Avenger]

Surely "Mad about Jew."

No, no that's not the one.


Sad About Jews?

Had a Bout with Jews?

(That) Gadabout Jew?





ETA: OHHHh. I meant to say: "Mad about Zionists." I regret it if anyone took my remarks the wrong way and hope that both side of the Helen Hunt debate can live in peace.

[Jekyll's Guest]

Would Jew believe it? She said Jew should go home. Jew gonna stand for that?


I have to wonder, did she bother to call Germany and ask if they could get ready for millions of Jews to turn up on their doorstep?

Or was it going to be more of a 'Surprise!' kind of deal she had in mind?

What a schmuck.

[Jekyll's Guest]

No, but a lot of people figured she was the model for gargoyles.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/helen-thomas.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/Gargoyle2.jpg

Pure win.

[applecorped]

Hey Jew
She loves Jew
From me to Jew


Get back?

[leonAzul]

Hey Jew
She loves Jew
From me to Jew


Get back?

Here you go:


Helen was a pundit, thought she was teh pwner,
But she's just another scam.
When the mic is open, how she pulls a boner;
Then she gets it on the cam.

Get back!
Get back!
Get back to where you once belonged!

Get back, Helen!

[applecorped]

Here you go:

Happy B-day man!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[HumanityBlues]

I have to wonder if her comment would have been less offensive if she had replaced "Germany and Poland" with Brooklyn.....just sayin!

[GrouchoMarxist]

Helen was a pundit, thought she was teh pwner,
But she's just another scam.
When the mic is open, how she pulls a boner;
Then she gets it on the cam.

Get back!
Get back!
Get back to where you once belonged!

Get back, Helen!
yeah, happy birthday!
duh huh huh, you said boner.

[Meadmaker]

I have to wonder if her comment would have been less offensive if she had replaced "Germany and Poland" with Brooklyn.....just sayin!

On a scale of 1 to 10, "Brooklyn" would have rated about an 8, wile "Germany and Poland" rated a 10 (or at least a 9.8, since it is conceivable that you could have found a way to be even more offensive than she was, with some effort.)

[Thunder]

how come anti-Zionists never say:

"Jews...go back to Morocco and Iraq!!!"????

:confused:

hundreds of thousands more Jews came from North Africa and the Middle East, than Poland and Germany.

[DJW]

how come anti-Zionists never say:

"Jews...go back to Morocco and Iraq!!!"????

:confused:

hundreds of thousands more Jews came from North Africa and the Middle East, than Poland and Germany.

Just a guess, Thunder...ignorance pure and simple.

[little grey rabbit]

I understand she also said go back to America, as there is a lot of effort going into encouraging emigration from the US.

She didn't say, but might have, to go back to Russia and Ukraine. As since Communism fell there has been an emigration wave of people who were most certainly not threatened by any antisemitism or anything else from that region.

Much of this emigration is being used to justify the settlement encroachments.

[little grey rabbit]

Actually I would just like to extend my congratulations on a very successful "score"

Forcing an 89 year old into retirement, very classy and a marvelous victory!

No, I really mean it!

[GrouchoMarxist]

Actually I would just like to extend my congratulations on a very successful "score"

Forcing an 89 year old into retirement, very classy and a marvelous victory!

No, I really mean it!


Wow, who did that?

[applecorped]

Actually I would just like to extend my congratulations on a very successful "score"

Forcing an 89 year old into retirement, very classy and a marvelous victory!

No, I really mean it!

Classier then her.

[Skeptic]

Pure win.

Not really.

It's grossly unfair to the gargoyle.

A Medusa is more like it.

[Brainster]

Rosie O'Donnell chimes in:

t1aJfVaKipw

[leonAzul]

What would you say if some other super power had taken it upon themselves to kick everyone out of New Orleans that wasn't black, and made a pure "African American" state at the cost of other's detriment?


Is Liberia in the news again?

[Skeptic]

Is Liberia in the news again?

How many times do we have to say this?

The Liberians aren't Jews.

Nobody cares.

[Thunder]

How many times do we have to say this?

The Liberians aren't Jews.

Nobody cares.

Did you see the tens of thousands of people protesting against the Chinese runner in San Fran, as he carried the Olympic torch?

Are the Chinese now Jewish?

Do you see all the rioters and protestors in Bangkok? is the ruling regime Jewish?

In NYC, we now have protestors covering themselves in fake oil..and throwing crap at BP gas station. Is BP a Jewish oil company?

telling yourself that the world hates the Jews...and ONLY the Jews...does not make it so..and surely doesn't convince us.

[Jekyll's Guest]

Not really.

It's grossly unfair to the gargoyle.

A Medusa is more like it.

Maybe the Gargoyle was her twin sister, and made the mistake of looking directly at her?

Maybe she whistled loudly, or was carrying a delicious smelling pie.

[elbe]

Have we really descended to making fun of the appearance of an elderly woman?

[Pardalis]

Have we really descended to making fun of the appearance of an elderly woman?

Didn't she lower the bar with her comment?

[Thunder]

Larry King is no model.

[Pardalis]

Larry King is no model.

I think his suspenders are quite fashionable.

[elbe]

Didn't she lower the bar with her comment?

Criticize her for her bigoted comment, that's fine. But what does saying an old woman is ugly add to the discourse?

[novice skeptic]

Generalizing is stupid 99% of the time. You and Helen have a lot in common, it seems.

And you it seems based on the "teabagger glasses" comment.

[Cicero]

Criticize her for her bigoted comment, that's fine. But what does saying an old woman is ugly add to the discourse?

You could look at it as a compliment. She certainly didn't sleep her way to the top.

[GrouchoMarxist]

I've often heard it said that 'politics makes strange bedfellows'.

[Thunder]

You could look at it as a compliment. She certainly didn't sleep her way to the top.

:p

[Davidlpf]

You know you are wrong when Rosie O'Donnell agrees with you.

[Jekyll's Guest]

You know you are wrong when Rosie O'Donnell agrees with you.

Probably fat and stupid too.

[Skeptic]

You could look at it as a compliment. She certainly didn't sleep her way to the top.

You wouldn't believe the promotions she got by promising oversexed, rich bosses to never, ever, ask them to have sex with her.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Actually I would just like to extend my congratulations on a very successful "score"

Forcing an 89 year old into retirement, very classy and a marvelous victory!

No, I really mean it!

For those of you who haven't seen his posts in the CT/911CT sections, Rabbit is a Holocaust Denier and a full-on "joos did it" 9/11 truther.

Just to put his feigned offense on Thomas's behalf into context.

[Cicero]

"Mark Rabin, a former freelance cameraman for CNN, said that in a 2002 conversation at the White House, Thomas said "thank God for Hezbollah" for driving Israel out of Lebanon, adding that "Israel is the cause for 99 percent of all this terrorism."

[NWO Sentryman]

In the Left's worldview, the Domination of the Draka is better than Israel. :eek:

Perhaps Helen should read about why Israel was chosen. The western countries rejected the Jews before the war, there was a lot of nativist sentiment at that time as well. In Europe, the Jews were at risk of reprisals not just in Germany but in Poland and the Ukraine too. Where were they to go? Australia was too far away and way too expensive. Indochina was on the brink of hell so Israel it was.

And the logistics would give any person nightmares. As well as that, the Israelis were given the land under the partition plan of 1947 by the UNSC. How did the arabs react? an aggressive war of annihilation. Of course, they got curbstomped. Then again in 1967, and again in 1973. Of course, Israel has promised to cede the land taken in 1967 back to Egypt and jordan if they agree to peace.

[MaGZ]

Helen was a pundit, thought she was teh pwner,
But she's just another scam.
When the mic is open, how she pulls a boner;
Then she gets it on the cam.

Get back!
Get back!
Get back to where you once belonged!


The Get Back Beatles song originally referred to Pakistani immigrants in Britain.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Get_Back

[applecorped]

Satirically. Helen, not satirically.:rolleyes:

[Darth Rotor]

Criticize her for her bigoted comment, that's fine. But what does saying an old woman is ugly add to the discourse?
Because she has chosen to turn the camera on her tired old face by constantly pushing it in front of a camera long past her sell by date.

The camera loves her not, yet she demands its attention. So like the cheap shots Paris Hilton or anyone else takes, she takes her share. She begs for it.

Comes with the territory, deal with it.

DR

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

The Get Back Beatles song originally referred to Pakistani immigrants in Britain.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Get_Back

Poe's Law in action

[GrouchoMarxist]

Poe's Law in action

Are you serious?

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

My understanding is that the original lyrics were satire and the racial/immigration tones of the original are being played up by white supremacist organizations.

[applecorped]

correct.

[Cleon]

The Get Back Beatles song originally referred to Pakistani immigrants in Britain.
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Get_Back

And that's 100% Grade-A horse manure.

[Chaos]

In the Left's worldview, the Domination of the Draka is better than Israel. :eek:

I don´t know where those "the Left" of yours live; thankfully, they aren´t anywhere near the real world.

I wonder if your "the Left" lives anywhere near the "the Right" that is on the brink of turning the US into a fascist police state.

[Thunder]

Perhaps Helen should read about why Israel was chosen. The western countries rejected the Jews before the war, there was a lot of nativist sentiment at that time as well. In Europe, the Jews were at risk of reprisals not just in Germany but in Poland and the Ukraine too. Where were they to go? Australia was too far away and way too expensive. Indochina was on the brink of hell so Israel it was.


I think you mean "Palestine", as no territory officially known as Israel existed until 1948. Nevermind the fact that name "Israel" was chosen to be the name of the Jewish State in the middle 1940s. The other possibility was "Judea".

[Oliver]

BTW: What's so bad about returning to Germany, Poland, etc? I didn't hear any complaints about the general status of Jewish life here coming from the Zentralrat der Juden (http://www.zentralratdjuden.de/de/topic/1.html) in Germany.

[NWO Sentryman]

I don´t know where those "the Left" of yours live; thankfully, they aren´t anywhere near the real world.

I wonder if your "the Left" lives anywhere near the "the Right" that is on the brink of turning the US into a fascist police state.

And you do realise who the draka are?

Really, what about the Israeli Apartheid Week bunch where people say it is worse than Nazi Germany? What about the likes of Noam Chomsky?

[Chaos]

And you do realise who the draka are?

I know exactly who the Draka are. They are about as real as that "the Left" right-wingers keep fantasizing about.

Really, what about the Israeli Apartheid Week bunch where people say it is worse than Nazi Germany? What about the likes of Noam Chomsky?

Those goalposts sure are mobile... you said "the Left". A "bunch" and one individual are not "the Left".

[NWO Sentryman]

Well, i should have said far left, and was too vague :o

But my point still stands. the Likes of Chomsky/Israel Apartheid Week etc. would welcome the Draka in the Middle East if they destroyed Israel

[Cleon]

But my point still stands. the Likes of Chomsky/Israel Apartheid Week etc. would welcome the Draka in the Middle East if they destroyed Israel

Riiight. Now tell us what their attitude would be in the event of an invasion by the Cybermen. :rolleyes:

[NWO Sentryman]

probably the same, saying that the Cybermen are heroes and how israel is so evil. Likewise with Skynet and an army of terminators.

[Cleon]

probably the same

...Or even more probably, you're talking out of your butt.

[NWO Sentryman]

how? Given how there are so many YT channels and books out there that depict Israel as a nightmare worse than North Korea, i had thought that they'd be willing to support the Draka or the cybermen if said nations ever attempted to conquer the Middle East of Today. Pilger probably would, or Chomsky.

JREF - Where discussions about Israel can turn into bickering about Sci-fi villains.

[Cleon]

how? Given how there are so many YT channels and books out there that depict Israel as a nightmare worse than North Korea, i had thought that they'd be willing to support the Draka or the cybermen if said nations ever attempted to conquer the Middle East of Today. Pilger probably would, or Chomsky.

JREF - Where discussions about Israel can turn into bickering about Sci-fi villains.

If you're seriously arguing what someone's views would be upon an invasion by fictional aliens, you've left the realm of critical thinking. In fact, you're really just making **** up at that point.

[NWO Sentryman]

Okay :o, maybe for a more down to earth scenario. Suppose there is a recent nation that has been attacked in Several wars of annihilation in its history by a coalition of other states. Nowadays, it holds a tenuous peace with said nations, most of whom don't recognise it. You can expect it to be harsh in a climate which has tried to destroy it several times. With history taken into account, i would support the nation that has almost been annihilated several times in its history.

[Ziggurat]

I don't know if this counts as a derail or a rerail, but getting back to Helen Thomas for a moment...

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129205250611891323.jpg

[GrouchoMarxist]

My understanding is that the original lyrics were satire and the racial/immigration tones of the original are being played up by white supremacist organizations.

Who wrote it? Was it ever recorded and released? I'd never heard of it until now.

[applecorped]

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Get_Back

"Two days after he had the first inklings of "Get Back", McCartney was inspired to satirise the "Rivers of Blood Speech (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Rivers_of_Blood_Speech)" by British Cabinet minister Enoch Powell (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Enoch_Powell), in which Powell used a reference in Virgil to the river Tiber (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Tiber) foaming with much blood to describe what he thought would have if the tide of Commonwealth immigrants was not stemmed. McCartney wrote what he called the "Commonwealth (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Commonwealth) Song" based on Powell's speech. One of the stanzas was "You'd better get back to your Commonwealth homes". However, as evident from bootlegs, the "Commonwealth Song" has no resemblance to the final version of "Get Back".
The day after recording the "Commonwealth Song", the Beatles recorded yet another version of what was to become "Get Back", this time entitled "No Pakistanis". The choruses of both were almost the same, but "No Pakistanis" was more racially charged, as the singer sang about how he "don't dig no Pakistanis taking all the people's jobs".
Eventually McCartney realised he would be savaged if the song was released in this form, and rewrote the lyrics, describing a man named Jojo who leaves his home in Tucson (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Tucson%2C_Arizona), Arizona (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Arizona) "for some California (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/California) grass", and then recommending that he return to Tucson. Linda McCartney (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Linda_McCartney)'s former residence in Tucson was likely the inspiration for the revised lyrics. In a 1980 interview with Playboy (http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Playboy), Lennon described it as "...a better version of 'Lady Madonna.' You know, a potboiler rewrite."

[GrouchoMarxist]

Thanks applecorped.
McCartney is much smarter than Thomas, I think.

[applecorped]

Thanks applecorped.
McCartney is much smarter than Thomas, I think.

Debatable.;)

[Pardalis]

BTW: What's so bad about returning to Germany, Poland, etc? I didn't hear any complaints about the general status of Jewish life here coming from the Zentralrat der Juden (http://www.zentralratdjuden.de/de/topic/1.html) in Germany.

Guess again.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=178925

So they can't live in their own country Israel, because they allegedly "stole" it, and in Germany they are being thrown rocks and yelled to go.

ETA: BTW, Ollie, you would really not mind a sudden influx of 7 million people to Germany? You're actually considering Thomas's proposition? You're saying it's "not that bad" for millions of people to be forced out of their homes and relocated?

And weren't you the one who claimed the Holocaust was the Jew's own fault (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=146040)?

I'm confused here Ollie.

[Chaos]

*snip* and in Germany they are being thrown rocks and yelled to go. *snip*

Prove that or take it back.

[Pardalis]

Prove that or take it back.

Little German kids throw rocks at Jews and tell them to go.

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100624-28069.html

BTW, do you agree with Oliver that it's "not so bad" to relocate an entire people?

[MaGZ]

Guess again.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=178925

So they can't live in their own country Israel, because they allegedly "stole" it, and in Germany they are being thrown rocks and yelled to go.

ETA: BTW, Ollie, you would really not mind a sudden influx of 7 million people to Germany? You're actually considering Thomas's proposition? You're saying it's "not that bad" for millions of people to be forced out of their homes and relocated?

And weren't you the one who claimed the Holocaust was the Jew's own fault (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=146040)?

I'm confused here Ollie.

Half the Jews in Israel came from the former Soviet Union.

[defaultdotxbe]

according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel) 68.8% of the jewish population were born in israel, so what home should they go back to? wouldnt forcing these people to leave the only home theyve known be just as bad as what israel is accused of doing?

i know it doesnt make it right, but you still wont find many americans keen on giving the country back to the native americans

[Cicero]

So one bunch of kids - not even German kids - doing such a thing once means all of Germany is like this?


It wasn't too long ago that Germans did not consider German Jews as Germans. Now Muslim children living in Germany are not Germans either?

[MaGZ]

I find it strange that you chose to respond to my post instead of Olivers' which seems far more offensive than mine.

"What's so bad about returning to Germany, Poland, etc? "

I guess you guys have been so accustomed to antisemitism you can't even see it anymore when it smacks you in the face.

I find this particularly true on this forum. Anti-semitic statements now are just generally accepted without rebuttal.

[applecorped]

rebuttal

[defaultdotxbe]

I find this particularly true on this forum. Anti-semitic statements now are just generally accepted without rebuttal.

thats because most people have you on ignore

[Pardalis]

"What's so bad about returning to Germany, Poland, etc? "

You don't find this an offensive question to ask?

It implies Oliver

A) considered the idea, which is in and of itself insane,

and

B) concluded it wouldn't be such a bad thing, which is even more insane.

And if you add to that his history of insane and idiotic comments about the Holocaust (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=146040), my conclusions about him are right.

[Pardalis]

Helen Thomas digs herself even deeper:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/02/16/behar.helen.thomas.hln?hpt=Mid

Nothing she says makes any sense. She's trying to set the record straight but makes it even more obvious she has a problem with Jews, especially the part where she nitpicks about what "semite" means. I've only seen racists use that line of argument.

And notice how she never apologizes for her statement, nor acknowledges that it was insensitive.

[Darth Rotor]

It wasn't too long ago that Germans did not consider German Jews as Germans. Now Muslim children living in Germany are not Germans either?
Maybe the consistency in general anti-Semitism ought to be applauded. I mean, at least they are consistent. :p
Helen Thomas digs herself even deeper:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/02/16/behar.helen.thomas.hln?hpt=Mid

Nothing she says makes any sense.

Not a recent problem for her, ya see ... :cool:

[Mycroft]

For whatever reason I can't get sound on the video, but I think when people reach a certain age, they get a pass.

Then again, when they reach that age, they shouldn't be in front of a camera on national television either.

[Emet]

For whatever reason I can't get sound on the video...

You're not missing anything profound.

[leonAzul]

For whatever reason I can't get sound on the video, but I think when people reach a certain age, they get a pass.


It's not so much that she has reached a certain age, it's more like she is from a certain age when such outrageous expression of opinion was considered witty. Don Imus is another one who often fails to understand that the audience has moved on in the last 50 years. Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck are on the same path.


Then again, when they reach that age, they shouldn't be in front of a camera on national television either.

:D