Fred Phelps of GodHatesFags vs. InfidelGuy - 2/6/04

[dimossi]

This should be quite interesting especially with the lastest Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040204/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage_7):

Reverend Fred Phelps of GodHatesFags.com will appear on the InfidelGuy internet radio show to discuss his efforts and ministry.

02/06/04 at 8 PM EST. You can call 1-888-503-0802 during the show and ask Fred questions.

For more info or to listen to it, go here: http://www.infidelguy.com/

Mr. Finley (InfidelGuy) is a lifetime activist, humanist and atheist. He will challenge Fred Phelps on his position of hatred and discrimination. Mr. Finley's primary method is to utilize "The Socratic Method of Argumentation/Dialogue." It's a method of asking a series of questions in the hopes that the claimant will be lead to unexpected insight about a particular dogma.

[Phil]

Thanks for another heads up, D.

Got any sun in Fla?

We're rained out all week. Looks like no VB at least for 5 days.

[dimossi]

Originally posted by Phil
Thanks for another heads up, D.

Got any sun in Fla?

We're rained out all week. Looks like no VB at least for 5 days.

High 70s and sunny today. :D

Decided to play tennis instead of vball today, but will be sure to hit the beach this weekend if the weather holds up.

[tdn]

Originally posted by dimossi
Mr. Finley's primary method is to utilize "The Socratic Method of Argumentation/Dialogue." It's a method of asking a series of questions in the hopes that the claimant will be lead to unexpected insight about a particular dogma.

Mr. Finley has already lost, then. Phelps has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of basic ability to gain insight on any matter whatsoever. His response is always to just shout louder. He will then likely attempt to sue Finley. And he will just get more free publicity.

Lose-lose, IMO.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by tdn
Mr. Finley has already lost, then. Phelps has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of basic ability to gain insight on any matter whatsoever. His response is always to just shout louder. He will then likely attempt to sue Finley. And he will just get more free publicity.

Lose-lose, IMO.
That free publicity is unspoken "negative publicity".

US$100 says this Phelps character cannot rationalize giving certain Americans second-class status and denying them of basic legal protection without trying to redefine marriage or appeal to biblical authority....

[Brown]

Slightly off topic, but a possible subject for discussion: Phelps in the News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/US/WorldNewsTonight/ten_commandments_040205-1.html) from ABC (USA) News.

[Iamme]

dimossi---Is the 17 story Terrace still in esistance on Siesta key? What about the 6 story Haleakala? Are there nudes out on Lido ?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

What if Fred is right? What if there really is a god and he really hates fags? We're all doomed!! :eek:

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Brown
Slightly off topic, but a possible subject for discussion: Phelps in the News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/US/WorldNewsTonight/ten_commandments_040205-1.html) from ABC (USA) News. That's too funny. Atheists can't get ten commandments monuments removed but Phelps can!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

What is ironic, is that if the fundy loonies are successful in getting prayer into school, they would have to allow all prayer - even the kid who worships Satan. I've found that most of them are too stupid to understand this concept. Maybe what Fred is doing will smack some sense into them.

[dimossi]

Originally posted by Iamme
dimossi---Is the 17 story Terrace still in esistance on Siesta key? What about the 6 story Haleakala? Are there nudes out on Lido ?

Last time I looked the Terrace was still there.

I am not familar with the Haleakala.

I go out to Lido once in a while to jog and I have never noticed any nude peeps out there. I think I did hear that it used to be a nude beach long ago, but I haven't confirmed that information.

[tdn]

Originally posted by Yahweh

That free publicity is unspoken "negative publicity".

No such thing. Publicity is publicity. If it weren't for the negative type, I would never have heard of Phred. Neither would you. And he wouldn't be appearing on that interview tonight. The guy's name is almost a household word. He's on TV, in newspapers, and plastered all over the 'net. Negative or not, the jerk is a celebrity. And sooner or later some people will start to agree with him.

US$100 says this Phelps character cannot rationalize giving certain Americans second-class status and denying them of basic legal protection without trying to redefine marriage or appeal to biblical authority....

US$200 says he won't even try. Hell, even the POTUS won't. Phreddo will just spout angry rhetoric. You seem to think that he will invoke some sort of logic. The concept has no meaning in his angry little world. God hates us all, fags and NASA employees will burn in Hell, and that's the end of the story for this nutter.

[evildave]

Yup, Janet will reap big publicity benefits for being back in the headlines, and her boyfriend, er, what's-his-name, has gotten national celebrity status overnight.

No matter the outcome, even if Freddy demonstrates himself to be a complete moron to all of our mutual satisfaction, he will call it a "victory". Of course, he won't: these people are really good at playing the political rhetoric game and repsonding to questions with unrelated tirades. If he does nothing but pure ad-hominem, he will WIN according to his (and his folowers') value system.

When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig likes it.

His little "cause" will get free advertising, and that will draw more <s>human garbage</s> "good Christians of his kind" out of the woodwork to help him out with his quest for political power.

[Iamme]

Thanx dimossi. I helped to build Haleakala from start to finish. I even built the fence around the jobsite perimeter before it started. I was there when the carpet was layed, appliances brought in, etc. I have a photo in my possession (very precious to me)...perhaps the only one in existance, taken from the top of 6 stories of a flight of metal prefabricated stairs, that stood above the first level of beamwork. A "stairway to heaven". I went up there and took a picture! Haleakala is (was?...I hope not) located at where the south bridge comes off the Tamiami Trail onto Siesta Key. At where you have to turn left , if you wanted to go to Crescent Beach, as opposed to turning right, to go to the Siesta Key public beach, Haleakala was on the far left corner of that intersection, right on the beach. The building is held up by pilons that go 60 feet to bedrock. They were bored and as the bit was being pulled out, cement was being pumped in. Giant cement caps were poured atop the pilons. From there, the building went up.

My company, E.E. Simmons, also built the 12 story Whispering Pines tower located a few miles down the right, also right on the water, It is maybe about 6 blocks north of The Terrace. I went up on the roof one Sunday, when nobody was looking and had my cousin photograph me with my legs dangling over the edge.

Lido Beach didn't used tbe a nudist beach. Then my cousin who visited there some years later said it became one. Now you say it's not one, again.

My sister also fell in love with the Sarasota area, and she and her boyfriend, from Madison, Wisconsin, moved out onto Longboat Key. She worked as a waitress out there, and also worked in one of the boutique shops out on St. Armand's Circle.

Those were some of the best memories of my life, down there.

We'd get in my cousins dune buggy and go to Gaspirilla Island/Boca Grande. Ed McMahon used to frequent the Pink Elephant there. I witnessed phosphorescence in the water there, off the golf course, for the first time in my life. The waves glowed green, like the dial of a glow-in-the-dark watch.

We also went to Key West where we stood at where Jimmy Buffett's album cover was made at the dock of all those pirate ships.

I used to gather fossilized sharks teeth from down at Venice Beach and send them home to my sisters up in Wisconsin, in a jewelry box.

I lived in a sleezy converted motel for a short on the Tamiami trail. Two doors down, the girlfriend of theis guy comes pounding on our door and says that her boyfriend just shot himself in the stopmach. We ran down there, and there he was, holding his stomach and groaning. I called the ambulance. He lieved.

Lot's of memories and stories.

Inland, iIwas digging footings on another job, and I struck two fossilized giant connch shells. Now part of my collection.

I was almost shot at while out building an apartment building where the cops had a shoot out with a bank robber, and killed him dead, across the way in a plaza parking lot. Bullets wound up in our building and even a car tire was shot out.