What's the difference between CIT and PfT?

[stewieg]

Someone on this board thinks there is but I really don't see it. Any help would be appreciated.

[sheeplesnshills]

Before I got banned from P4T they seemed the same thing to me...Balsamos forum was haunted by Ranke and Aldo.

[Dog Town]

I hear Craig at least has a JOB! Capt Booby surfs couches for his living!
Been tossed out more than once, I hear!

[Redtail]

... 3-4 hundred pounds?

[beachnut]

CIT are idiots who lie, p4t are wannabe pilots who lie.

CIT is the official investigators for p4t? How about that?

[ElMondoHummus]

What's the difference between CIT and PfT?


One's oblivious, and the other's obtuse. :D

What's funny is that they trade those characteristics with each other regularly. ;)

[stewieg]

I know of one difference, Craig has a sidekick.

[T.A.M.]

Same crap, different crappers.

TAM:)

[stewieg]

If anyone is wondering what I'm getting at let me explain. Back in 2007 Childlike Empress said this of Rob Balsamo and several other truthers.

What an evasive crap. Why are your actions dependent on what snake oil sellers do?

Why is the forum search full of Loose Change, Alex Jones, Rob Balsamo, Eric Hufschmid, James Fetzer, Richard Gage etc. pp. and has problems to find something on Ray McGovern, the Jersey Girls, Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Hopsicker, Dave Emory, Nafeez Ahmeed, Peter Dale Scott, Paul Thompson, Sander Hicks or Bob Bowman that is not forced into discussion by me or some other "dissidents"?

I put Craig/CIT in the same group as Balsamo/PfT. Both are no-planers and are quite nasty in their dealings with other people. However CE seems to think better or CIT/Craig. On another current thread he wanted to know why Brainster did not debate Craig. As if Criag has anything to say that's any different from what Balsamo says.

That's why I'm trying to figure out the difference.

[beachnut]

Someone on this board thinks there is but I really don't see it. Any help would be appreciated.
At the p4t open-loop crazy web site the list of members has CIT as the
Eyewitness Experts
Aldo Marquis
Craig Ranke
Domenick DiMaggio
ThePentaCon - Citizen Investigation Team
... they are not the crazy research arm of p4t, they are the Eyewitness Experts of p4t (who can't see eye witnesses pointing south).

On 911, they are the same; CIT and p4t are the same as all 911 truth liars and delusion pushers and have the same zero evidence approach of supporting their fake and idiotic claims.

[16.5]

If anyone is wondering what I'm getting at let me explain. Back in 2007 Childlike Empress said this of Rob Balsamo and several other truthers.

What an evasive crap. Why are your actions dependent on what snake oil sellers do?

Why is the forum search full of Loose Change, Alex Jones, Rob Balsamo, Eric Hufschmid, James Fetzer, Richard Gage etc. pp. and has problems to find something on Ray McGovern, the Jersey Girls, Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Hopsicker, Dave Emory, Nafeez Ahmeed, Peter Dale Scott, Paul Thompson, Sander Hicks or Bob Bowman that is not forced into discussion by me or some other "dissidents"?

I put Craig/CIT in the same group as Balsamo/PfT. Both are no-planers and are quite nasty in their dealings with other people. However CE seems to think better or CIT/Craig. On another current thread he wanted to know why Brainster did not debate Craig. As if Criag has anything to say that's any different from what Balsamo says.

That's why I'm trying to figure out the difference.

don't bother. CE was trolling.

[The Platypus]

Same crap different pile.

[EventHorizon]

PfT is the sound a fart makes which then tends to smell like CIT.

[Foolmewunz]

If anyone is wondering what I'm getting at let me explain. Back in 2007 Childlike Empress said this of Rob Balsamo and several other truthers.

What an evasive crap. Why are your actions dependent on what snake oil sellers do?

Why is the forum search full of Loose Change, Alex Jones, Rob Balsamo, Eric Hufschmid, James Fetzer, Richard Gage etc. pp. and has problems to find something on Ray McGovern, the Jersey Girls, Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Hopsicker, Dave Emory, Nafeez Ahmeed, Peter Dale Scott, Paul Thompson, Sander Hicks or Bob Bowman that is not forced into discussion by me or some other "dissidents"?

I put Craig/CIT in the same group as Balsamo/PfT. Both are no-planers and are quite nasty in their dealings with other people. However CE seems to think better or CIT/Craig. On another current thread he wanted to know why Brainster did not debate Craig. As if Criag has anything to say that's any different from what Balsamo says.

That's why I'm trying to figure out the difference.


Please also note that the "serious" people (s)he would like to see referenced more often are a) dull as dog doo doo, and b) often just as wrong as PFFFFT and CIT. We've had lengthy discussions on Hopsicker and Sibel Emonds. Some role models. A flatulence producing bag of wind who wouldn't know a news story if it came up and bit him in the butt, and a whistle-blower who hasn't blown any whistles and has made a career of insinuating that she has all the dope if only they'd unmuzzle her - yet when unmuzzled, she has nothing to say on her heroic revelations on 911 BECAUSE SHE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE FROM HER FBI JOB ABOUT 911. NONE. NOT A BIT.

[Minadin]

Someone on this board thinks there is but I really don't see it. Any help would be appreciated.

Some people are nuts, some people are crazy.

The CiT people have personally accused me of lying in the past, despite verifiable evidence to the truth of my statements. But they're nutty, delusional zealots, and that's to be expected from such irrational people.

The PfT should know better, but based on the idiocy they repeat (I'm not yet convinced they've ever had an original thought between all of them ever) they are just as bad. I corrected one way back when who just couldn't figure out why the black-box altimeter of the Shanksville crash stopped at such a high altitude of 2000 feet. (ProTip: Look up the elevation of Shanksville, PA) HE thought Data must clearly be missing. Yeah. Pilots. Wooooo!

[R.Mackey]

CIT is a Truther organization that solicits donations for Aldo's munchies.

PfT is a Truther organization that solicits donations so that Cap'n Bob won't have to keep sleeping on other people's couches.

Other than that, not much difference.

[Foolmewunz]

CIT is a Truther organization that solicits donations for Aldo's munchies.

PfT is a Truther organization that solicits donations so that Cap'n Bob won't have to keep sleeping on other people's couches.

Other than that, not much difference.

Then, based on photographic evidence and internet reportage, CIT is doing far better at meeting their goals than PFFFT. :D

[Brainster]

Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

[TruthersLie]

Someone on this board thinks there is but I really don't see it. Any help would be appreciated.

a buffet table and some deodorant?

[ElMondoHummus]

If anyone is wondering what I'm getting at let me explain. Back in 2007 Childlike Empress said this of Rob Balsamo and several other truthers.

What an evasive crap. Why are your actions dependent on what snake oil sellers do?

Why is the forum search full of Loose Change, Alex Jones, Rob Balsamo, Eric Hufschmid, James Fetzer, Richard Gage etc. pp. and has problems to find something on Ray McGovern, the Jersey Girls, Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Hopsicker, Dave Emory, Nafeez Ahmeed, Peter Dale Scott, Paul Thompson, Sander Hicks or Bob Bowman that is not forced into discussion by me or some other "dissidents"?

I put Craig/CIT in the same group as Balsamo/PfT. Both are no-planers and are quite nasty in their dealings with other people. However CE seems to think better or CIT/Craig. On another current thread he wanted to know why Brainster did not debate Craig. As if Criag has anything to say that's any different from what Balsamo says.

That's why I'm trying to figure out the difference.

The difference is so minimal that CE's attempt to infer that there is one should be laughed at. Canadian and US NFL football have more differences. Heck, the AFC and NFC conferences in the NFL have more differences, and they're in the same damn league.

If you're trying to determine if one's more legitimate than the other, I'd advise against it. About the only difference that's actually practical is that PFT has claimed to have aviation electronics experts help them interpret FL77's flight data recorder output (do a forum search for those follies), while CIT has done eyewitness interviews. Neither manage to interpret their data correctly, though, and both totally are off the reservation in their claims.

Coke and Pepsi have bigger differences between them. So does a Ford vs. a Chevy pickup truck. The differences between CIT and PFT are in detail, not respectability or legitimacy. Neither deserve any respect, nor have either earned any legitimacy. Both are loon "groups" centered around a tiny, deluded, and obsessed core. And both just plain have it wrong.

[jaydeehess]

If you're trying to determine if one's more legitimate than the other, I'd advise against it. About the only difference that's actually practical is that PFT has claimed to have aviation electronics experts help them interpret FL77's flight data recorder output (do a forum search for those follies), while CIT has done eyewitness interviews. Neither manage to interpret their data correctly, though, and both totally are off the reservation in their claims.

Coke and Pepsi have bigger differences between them. So does a Ford vs. a Chevy pickup truck. The differences between CIT and PFT are in detail, not respectability or legitimacy. Neither deserve any respect, nor have either earned any legitimacy. Both are loon "groups" centered around a tiny, deluded, and obsessed core. And both just plain have it wrong.

Basically the CiT know their limitations as far as math and science go and choose therefore not to address any math or technical issues. When someone tries to force them to do math they figurativley put up a hand in the classic 'stop' pose and halt discussion. The PfT on the other hand do not know their limitations in math and science and have on several occassions chose to illustrate this by posting their ignoramce for all to view. Despite having been shown to be wrong and in a few cases even admitting their gross error, they also chose to leave up their erroneous calculations for months(years if the 11 g 'paper' is still up on their site).

Both chose internet arguement over serious attempts to get their point accross. I have personally asked PfT on many occassions to produce a purely technical paper outlining the way they conclude that the data on the DFDR shows a flight path that is grossly different than the path described by the physical eveidence on the ground. It would be of great interest to the NTSB, ICAO, pilot's unions, etc., if a DFDR failed as utterly as they claim. Instead they chose to produce politically charged (putting it nicely) press releases full of hyperbole and accusations. Thus they have poisoned their own well and wonder why no one will come to drink with them.

[CORed]

Some people are nuts, some people are crazy.

The CiT people have personally accused me of lying in the past, despite verifiable evidence to the truth of my statements. But they're nutty, delusional zealots, and that's to be expected from such irrational people.

The PfT should know better, but based on the idiocy they repeat (I'm not yet convinced they've ever had an original thought between all of them ever) they are just as bad. I corrected one way back when who just couldn't figure out why the black-box altimeter of the Shanksville crash stopped at such a high altitude of 2000 feet. (ProTip: Look up the elevation of Shanksville, PA) HE thought Data must clearly be missing. Yeah. Pilots. Wooooo!

I bet he'd really be confused if the plane had crashed in Colorado.

[sheeplesnshills]

I bet he'd really be confused if the plane had crashed in Colorado.


Or death valley :)

[Obviousman]

CIT have a history of being "thrown out" of Truther groups they ally themselves with.

How long do you think it will be before there will be a CIT / PFT split? And who will initiate it?

[T.A.M.]

CIT have a history of being "thrown out" of Truther groups they ally themselves with.

How long do you think it will be before there will be a CIT / PFT split? And who will initiate it?

I think if Captain Bob ends up staying on Aldo's couch, and his girlfriend gets pissed, there could be a rift...perhaps even the split you speak of.

TAM;)

[stewieg]

don't bother. CE was trolling.

Probably.

[stewieg]

CIT have a history of being "thrown out" of Truther groups they ally themselves with.

How long do you think it will be before there will be a CIT / PFT split? And who will initiate it?

You might have a point. Since most other truther groups will have nothing to do with them that only leaves CIT and PfT as plymates. It might be only a matter of time before a blowup occurs. I wonder what it would be over. It would ahve to be something minor in detail. They mirror eachother to much for it to be something big.

[fess]

CIT are idiots who lie, p4t are wannabe pilots who lie.

CIT is the official investigators for p4t? How about that?

So now I know who to blame for getting me tossed out on my ear… in two days. Good investigators.
I really don’t feel to bad though, my membership lasted longer than my first marriage. :)

[BCR]

You know, my life is boring now that Warren finished the FDR decode and CIT/P4T have both been rendered donutless. AAL77 has been accounted for via radar, ATC audio, eyewitnesses and FDR pretty much up to the final fraction of a second. Nothing more to see here folks.