Who would have made the worst US Presidents?

[NWO Sentryman]

Okay, Okay, i ant people here to name at least 5 people they consider would have made very bad Presidents. remember, they must be plausible.

Curtis LeMay - say hello to Armageddon as the nukes fly. :eek:

Charles Lindbergh - 'Nuff Said

Henry Wallace - Pure Nightmare fuel.

George Wallace - Would have stunted civil rights for possibly decades

Strom Thurmond - can you say institutionalised Racism

Smedley Butler - He'd tolerate either an Axis Eurasia or a Red Eurasia.

[lionking]

Gore.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Just what is your definition of plausible? Most of the ones you mention either never ran or never got even close. If by "plausible" you mean nationally known figures who ran for either the nomination of their parties or the office itself, here are my five:

Jesse Jackson

Ron Paul

Pat Buchannan

John Edwards

Mike Dukakis

Bonus guess: Ross Perot

[NWO Sentryman]

my definition of plausible is having a reasonable chance of getting into office.

[Travis]

The possibility of the Palin/Limbaugh administration that accidentally un-invents electricity sure gives one pause.



Yes I got that from Cracked.

[hgc]

Charles Lindbergh - 'Nuff Said


Subject of a novel, The Plot Against America, by Philip Roth.

[leftysergeant]

Spirow Agnew
Dan Quayle
Dick Cheney
Pat Robertson
Alan Keyes
Joe Liebermann
John McCain
Piyush Jindal

None of them would have screwed up quite as badly as the Shrub, in my estimation. there is only one worse nightmare scenario that I could think of:

Palin/Bachmann

[Undesired Walrus]

My vote goes to Curtis Lemay. A nuclear war would almost certainly have occured with him as President.

[applecorped]

Gore.

x2

[Lurker]

What's with the anti-Gore stuff? He seems a reasonable man.

[Unabogie]

What's with the anti-Gore stuff? He seems a reasonable man.

Al Gore told them about Global Warming, and since Global Warming is a Marxist hoax perpetrated by Muslim Alinsky-ites, Al Gore is an extremist.

SATSQ

[Lurker]

Al Gore told them about Global Warming, and since Global Warming is a Marxist hoax perpetrated by Muslim Alinsky-ites, Al Gore is an extremist.

SATSQ


Heh. I considered that angle but I would not blame Gore for that. The majority of climatologists believe in man caused global warming so Gore going along with that majority is only logical. Even if wrong, it does not reflect poorly on Gore. I count on physicists to advise me on physics. If they are wrong, I am not a fool for relying on expert advice.

[Tricky]

William Jennings Bryan. Though he was progressive in some things (like women's suffrage) his all-out attack on evolution could have set science back many years.

[NWO Sentryman]

now, Strom Thurmond. That is High Octane Nightmare Fuel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel)! He'd set back the US by decades. :eek:

Don't get me started on a Smedley Butler.

[Brainster]

In no particular order:

Pat Buchanan.
Pat Robertson.
Joe Biden. (Thank god he's not a heartbeat away from the presidency. Errr.)
Mike Dukakis.
H. Ross Perot.

[NWO Sentryman]

What about Gore Vidal? :jaw-dropp

Or Joe McCarthy? Tail-Gunner in the Pilot's seat. 'Nuff Said. http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=127275

[Crossbow]

This may be a tad obscure, but does anyone else remember 'Lyndon Larouche'?

He was that whacko who often ran for president.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This may be a tad obscure, but does anyone else remember 'Lyndon Larouche'?

He was that whacko who often ran for president.

You say "remember" as though he belongs to the past. His minions have gotten more publicity than usual lately.

But yeah, he would have been spectacularly bad as the leader of anything other than his cult.

[HawksFan]

Me. I would have been so busy hob-knobbing with celebs, traveling on AF1, and rubbing it in my friends faces I'd never get anything constructive done.

[Vorticity]

This may be a tad obscure, but does anyone else remember 'Lyndon Larouche'?

We'd end up at war with the UK within a year.

[Aoidoi]

Me. I would have been so busy hob-knobbing with celebs, traveling on AF1, and rubbing it in my friends faces I'd never get anything constructive done.Yeah, I'd figure "one term president" and install a stripper pole on Air Force 1, intern wet t-shirt contests... just keep it legal and you're set!

And hey, I'm likely!

Well... eligible.

... in a few years.

[Beerina]

Okay, Okay, i ant people here to name at least 5 people they consider would have made very bad Presidents. remember, they must be plausible.


I was considering a poor-taste joke like W. but if he had had a double-lobectomy, but then it occurred to me that a president who didn't sign any laws (pocket veto) and none were overridden save a few spartan spending bills would give the US 8 full years of no new laws.

Now you can argue whether that's good or not*, but it is most certainly not the worst situation we could end up in. And thus a literally do-nothing president would not be the worst possible, not by a long shot.







* Legion are the sob stories and political narratives that liken just spending what we spent a few years ago to a Stalinesque pogrom against fifty million peasantry.

[Travis]

William Jennings Bryan. Though he was progressive in some things (like women's suffrage) his all-out attack on evolution could have set science back many years.

Ohhh, that's a good one. He was a pretty good speaker too.

[T.A.M.]

Palin, #1 by a landslide. The fact that she is still involved in politics, and actually has a following, is VERY SCARY.

Dan Quayle, Pat Buchanon, Dick Cheney, and Ron Paul round out the other four spots (my memory on American Politics is relatively new).

TAM:)

[dudalb]

William Jennings Bryan. Though he was progressive in some things (like women's suffrage) his all-out attack on evolution could have set science back many years.

Agreed. Not to mention his demogogury and devout belief in many economic cure alls, Free Silver being only one of them.

[dudalb]

This may be a tad obscure, but does anyone else remember 'Lyndon Larouche'?

He was that whacko who often ran for president.

Oh, yeah, good old Lyndon.
But I think we are confining this at least to people who has at least a distant shot on getting into the White House. LaRouche never had even that.

[Dorian Gray]

Donald Trump
Sarah Palin
Ron Paul
Heywood Jablomie
Buster Cherryh

[Olowkow]

Donald Trump
Sarah Palin
Ron Paul
Heywood Jablomie
Buster Cherryh


Orly Taitz.:D

Somebody please tell Sarah Palin that Puerto Rico is on our side before she runs for office.

[Ladewig]

I don't want to see President Pelosi.

And she is second in line to succeed the president.

ETA: John "Let the Eagle Soar" Ashcroft. (once seventh in line of succession).

[Darth Rotor]

Gus Hall

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Gus Hall

In fairness, he would only have been president as long as it took for the Soviet Union to incorporate 50 new Socialist Republics into the USSR.

[Olowkow]

I don't want to see President Pelosi.

And she is second in line to succeed the president.

ETA: John "Let the Eagle Soar" Ashcroft. (once seventh in line of succession).

Mitt Romney:jaw-dropp......OMG, I wish I hadn't said that.

Come to think of it: who would anyone actually like to see as president? They're all pretty much stereotypical politicos with no critical thinking skills, no innate cleverness or "elan vital", inspirational abilities.

[hgc]

I don't want to see President Pelosi.

And she is second in line to succeed the president.

ETA: John "Let the Eagle Soar" Ashcroft. (once seventh in line of succession).


Third in line: Robert Byrd. He's an actual (one-time) Klan member. Teabaggers would get whiplash.

[Trakar]

Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush, and Obama, probably more could be added to the list but I know these losers would ruin the nation given the chance to sit in the oval office.

[Alt+F4]

George McClellan

[Ladewig]

Third in line: Robert Byrd. He's an actual (one-time) Klan member. Teabaggers would get whiplash.

I'm not sure what to make of him. He has said in 2005

I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened.

but his 1944 letter said
I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

Such vitriol! To hate blacks more than you love the U.S. is pretty intense.

[MikeMangum]

Henry Wallace. "Pure nightmare fuel" doesn't begin to describe how bad he would have been for the country, although to his credit, he had the moral courage to stand strongly against segregation at a time when it had fairly widespread support.

[dudalb]

Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush, and Obama, probably more could be added to the list but I know these losers would ruin the nation given the chance to sit in the oval office.

Who is the last freaking President you liked?

[dudalb]

George McClellan

Little Mac's abilities as President would have equalled his abilities as a Battlefield General......

[MikeMangum]

Who is the last freaking President you liked?

I'm guessing Ashurbanipal.

[Cicero]

My vote goes to Curtis Lemay. A nuclear war would almost certainly have occured with him as President.

Only if you base your information on LeMay from too many viewings of "Thirteen Days."

It was POTUS Truman who said about using the A-Bomb during the Korean War in November, 1950: "There has always been active consideration of its use. The military commander in the field will have charge of the use of the weapons, as he always has."

[Trakar]

Who is the last freaking President you liked?

None that I've experienced, there are definitely those that are worse and those that are better, but none that I consider to be a true leader and defender of the rights, interests and prosperity of all Americans. I can't speak to the historic one's because we are largely dependent upon their fans or their critics for our understandings of them and what their administrations really meant to the daily lives across the social spectrum of the nation. I could have probably went a bit further back, but I'd already stretched a 5-slot list into an 8-name list, besides those are the only eight I voted for/or against (against W Bush 2x, against Obama 1xsofar, for Nixon 2x, Carter 1x, Reagan 2x, HW Bush 1x, Clinton 2x).

[Noztradamus]

William Jennings Bryan
Joseph Kennedy
J Edgar Hoover
Pat Buchanan-Robertson
Barack Obama

[Sword_Of_Truth]

William Jennings Bryan
Joseph Kennedy
J Edgar Hoover
Pat Buchanan-Robertson
Barack Obama

Buchanan married Robertson but wanted to keep his maiden name?

[Noztradamus]

Buchanan married Robertson but wanted to keep his maiden name?

You mean his name is actually Roberston-Buchanan. Thanks for the info.

[leftysergeant]

It was POTUS Truman who said about using the A-Bomb during the Korean War in November, 1950: "There has always been active consideration of its use. The military commander in the field will have charge of the use of the weapons, as he always has."

Once it was deployed, it would have been up to the field commanders how to use it. Truman had the authority to deploy or not deploy it.

[Ladewig]

J Edgar Hoover


We have a winner.

[Undesired Walrus]

Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush, and Obama, probably more could be added to the list but I know these losers would ruin the nation given the chance to sit in the oval office.

You liked LBJ then?

[Undesired Walrus]

Only if you base your information on LeMay from too many viewings of "Thirteen Days."


Never seen it.

My information instead is based on what McNamara said about LeMay during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It consisted of a tale of an incredibly hawkish LeMay demanding that the US go in there and totally destroy Cuba.

[leftysergeant]

There is also the fact that LeMay was cool with Wallace's racism. For that alone, he should have been considered unfit for duty.

I cringed when I heard the very suggestiuon that he might become VP just on the basis of an incident one of my friends told me about while I was stationed at Pope AFB.

Shortly before he retired, LeMay was at Pope for some operation that was going on there. The entire ramp area was dotted with fueling points set in slightly raised concrete. LeMay stood squarely on top of one of them and lit a cigar. My friend, who was on ramp patrol in a clearly-marked fire department vehicle stopped and informed LeMay that he was standing on top of a major fire hazard and that smoking was prohibited on any of the paved areas. LeMay just shrugged and told the Airman:"You see all those aircraft? They're all mine," and went on smoking his cigar.

Were he still alive, he would have been perfect to head OSHA under the Shrub.

[Trakar]

You liked LBJ then?

I wasn't old enough to vote when LBJ ran for office. Like I said, I could probably stretch the list back a few more, but then I'm reaching more into historic references and heavily influenced childhood perceptions, which I don't feel are valid for this type of assessment, at least for myself.

[Cicero]

Never seen it.

My information instead is based on what McNamara said about LeMay during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It consisted of a tale of an incredibly hawkish LeMay demanding that the US go in there and totally destroy Cuba.

When has McNamara not made self-serving comments? "Thirteen Days" echoes the same revisionist drivel of the Cuban Missile crisis perpetuated by JFK/RFK/McNamara/Sorensen. The generals were all evil, incompetent, and overzealous while the POTUS, AG, and SecDef were rational. The movie neglects to mention that the reason the Soviets sent strategic and tactical nukes to Cuba was because Castro asked them to after JFK tried several times to assassinate him and sponsor a pathetic half-hearted invasion of Cuba.

Here is what JFK said of Lemay during the height of the CMC:

"It's good to have men like Curtis LeMay and Arleigh Burke commanding troops when you decide to go in. But these men aren't the only ones you should listen to when you decide whether to go in or not."

[Cicero]

Once it was deployed, it would have been up to the field commanders how to use it. Truman had the authority to deploy or not deploy it.

Not when the Soviets had the A-Bomb. You can't condemn LeMay for his views and not condemn the Commander In Chief Truman's reckless comments.

[dudalb]

None that I've experienced, there are definitely those that are worse and those that are better, but none that I consider to be a true leader and defender of the rights, interests and prosperity of all Americans. I can't speak to the historic one's because we are largely dependent upon their fans or their critics for our understandings of them and what their administrations really meant to the daily lives across the social spectrum of the nation. I could have probably went a bit further back, but I'd already stretched a 5-slot list into an 8-name list, besides those are the only eight I voted for/or against (against W Bush 2x, against Obama 1xsofar, for Nixon 2x, Carter 1x, Reagan 2x, HW Bush 1x, Clinton 2x).

A.Your expectations are so high that I don't think anybody who ever lived could fullfil them.
B. I see you are a member of the "History is Bunk and Does not really matter" school of thought. You could not be more wrong.

[leftysergeant]

When has McNamara not made self-serving comments? "Thirteen Days" echoes the same revisionist drivel of the Cuban Missile crisis perpetuated by JFK/RFK/McNamara/Sorensen. The generals were all evil, incompetent, and overzealous while the POTUS, AG, and SecDef were rational.

Well, of course, some of them were evil They wanted to invade.

The movie neglects to mention that the reason the Soviets sent strategic and tactical nukes to Cuba was because Castro asked them to after JFK tied several times to assassinate him and sponsor a pathetic half-hearted invasion of Cuba.

And Kennedy decided it was probably not a good idea to go on with the attacks on Castro. I would say he did pretty well.

[leftysergeant]

Not when the Soviets had the A-Bomb. You can't condemn LeMay for his views and not condemn the Commander In Chief Truman's reckless comments.What are you trying to say? Are you suggesting that Truman should have handed McArthur the bomb and stepped back?

[Cicero]

There is also the fact that LeMay was cool with Wallace's racism. For that alone, he should have been considered unfit for duty.

POTUS Wilson was cool with racism. Was he unfit to be Commander In chief?

I cringed when I heard the very suggestiuon that he might become VP just on the basis of an incident one of my friends told me about while I was stationed at Pope AFB.

Shortly before he retired, LeMay was at Pope for some operation that was going on there. The entire ramp area was dotted with fueling points set in slightly raised concrete. LeMay stood squarely on top of one of them and lit a cigar. My friend, who was on ramp patrol in a clearly-marked fire department vehicle stopped and informed LeMay that he was standing on top of a major fire hazard and that smoking was prohibited on any of the paved areas. LeMay just shrugged and told the Airman:"You see all those aircraft? They're all mine," and went on smoking his cigar.

Total ********.

"One story that has achieved near legendary status claims that when LeMay approached a fully-fueled SAC bomber with his signature cigar stuck in his teeth, a guard suggested to the General that his cigar might cause the fuel to explode. LeMay growled back, "It wouldn't dare."



Were he still alive, he would have been perfect to head OSHA under the Shrub.

LeMay's command of the USAAF in the Pacific had a great deal to do with VJ Day.

[leftysergeant]

"One story that has achieved near legendary status claims that when LeMay approached a fully-fueled SAC bomber with his signature cigar stuck in his teeth, a guard suggested to the General that his cigar might cause the fuel to explode. LeMay growled back, "It wouldn't dare."

Arrogant twit, wasn't he? Nothing we do in peace time is so important that it justifies a preventable injury.

LeMay's command of the USAAF in the Pacific had a great deal to do with VJ Day.

I take it you are an admirer of Joseph Stalin for having turned the tide against Germany at Kursk.

[Cicero]

Arrogant twit, wasn't he? Nothing we do in peace time is so important that it justifies a preventable injury.

Do you base all your impressions on apocryphal stories? Didn't you know your friend was having you on?

I take it you are an admirer of Joseph Stalin for having turned the tide against Germany at Kursk.

Stalin was not in command in the field at Kursk, nor ever put himself in harm's way. What does this have to do with Lemay?

[leftysergeant]

Do you base all your impressions on apocryphal stories? Didn't you know your friend was having you on?

And you just seconded that story with yours. Cognitive dissonance much?

Stalin was not in command in the field at Kursk, nor ever put himself in harm's way. What does this have to do with Lemay?

Let me explain something to you. LeMay was more famous for his strategic thinking, rather than for hands-on guidance of the troops. Same for Stalin. He screwed up a few things at the outset of thev war, but, by bargaining with Germany to buy some time to gear up and build tanks, he was able to fight back when it could in the heating and cooling ducts.

[Cicero]

And you just seconded that story with yours. Cognitive dissonance much?

The only thing you got right is that it is a story. Why do you suppose I said your friend's story was total ********. Your friend merely repeated the same story with a lamer LeMay reply. Your pal wouldn't know Curtis LeMay from Curtis Mayfield.

Let me explain something to you. LeMay was more famous for his strategic thinking, rather than for hands-on guidance of the troops. Same for Stalin. He screwed up a few things at the outset of thev war, but, by bargaining with Germany to buy some time to gear up and build tanks, he was able to fight back when it could in the heating and cooling ducts.

OK. You are ignorant about LeMay's experience in WWII. That's fine. He was of course a combat general as well as a strategist. The fact that you praise Stalin and deride LeMay is consistent with your politics.

1) 1941 LeMay flew several experimental missions to England and North Africa, for which he received the Distinguished Flying Cross. They don't award the DFC for strategic thinking.

2) LeMay commanded the 305th Bomb Group and led it in combat from October 1942 until May 1943.

3) Helped to develop the combat box formation.

4) LeMay led the 1943 Schweinfurt/Regensburg mission of 146 B-17's beyond the range of escorting fighters.

[dc1971]

Just what is your definition of plausible? Most of the ones you mention either never ran or never got even close. If by "plausible" you mean nationally known figures who ran for either the nomination of their parties or the office itself, here are my five:

Jesse Jackson

Ron Paul



I wouldn't say Ron Paul as much as I would say Rand Paul!

[dc1971]

Okay, Okay, i ant people here to name at least 5 people they consider would have made very bad Presidents. remember, they must be plausible.

Curtis LeMay - say hello to Armageddon as the nukes fly. :eek:

Charles Lindbergh - 'Nuff Said

Henry Wallace - Pure Nightmare fuel.

George Wallace - Would have stunted civil rights for possibly decades

Strom Thurmond - can you say institutionalised Racism

Smedley Butler - He'd tolerate either an Axis Eurasia or a Red Eurasia.

Would Barry Goldwater fit into WORST or just worse? If so, worse than...??

[NWO Sentryman]

Leftysergeant, Stain honestly believed that him and Hitler were allies. Then he had purged the military which meant that the military was a joke compared to the Wehrmacht. He only woke up and smelled the coffee when Nazi forces were just outside Moscow.

[Noztradamus]

Would Barry Goldwater fit into WORST or just worse? If so, worse than...??

Suggestion doesn't even pass the Worse Than Lyndon B Johnson test.

[NWO Sentryman]

Smedley Butler would have been the opposite of curtis Le May and just as bad. He wouldnt care if the Nazis had marched into Moscow or the Japanese had been Masters of the Pacific as long as america didnt go to war. Nor would he have cared if the Red Army were Marching in Lisbon.

[leftysergeant]

Smedley Butler would have been the opposite of curtis Le May and just as bad. He wouldnt care if the Nazis had marched into Moscow or the Japanese had been Masters of the Pacific as long as america didnt go to war. Nor would he have cared if the Red Army were Marching in Lisbon.

Did you notice that he dropped a dime on the Nazis who tried to put him at the head of a coup?

[NWO Sentryman]

No evidence aside from his testimony has arisen as to whether or not it was serious.

And Smedley was the sort of guy that would make Dennis Kucinich look like Barry Goldwater. his presidency would mean no lend-lease to the USSR or China or Britain. this would probably lead to an axis victory (Khruschev noted that American trucks were vital to the Red Army's War effort). I can probably see him not doing anything even if the Nazis and Japanese, or the USSR had developed ICBMS, still saying that "War is a racket" and that america neednt be worried by the Axis/USSR. :eek:

[NWO Sentryman]

Might i also nominate Henry Wallace. Say hello to Red Eurasia.

[Trakar]

A.Your expectations are so high that I don't think anybody who ever lived could fullfil them.
B. I see you are a member of the "History is Bunk and Does not really matter" school of thought. You could not be more wrong.

Which high expectations are those? Honesty, integrity, sincerity? Exactly which expectations do you feel are unreasonable?

What I said, is that history, especially recent modern history, as we are popularly exposed to it, is largely a collection of facts and anecdotes woven together to support a preconcieved narrative. This narrative is generally composed by either political and ideological likeminds, or opponents. Neither perspective is likely to give us an accurate impression and understanding of a presidency, a president or their realtime impact upon the broad-spectrum of American life and lives. I've seen the distortions within my lifetime, why should I expect that such was different before I was paying attention, or born.

[mrcharles]

Which high expectations are those? Honesty, integrity, sincerity? Exactly which expectations do you feel are unreasonable?

What I said, is that history, especially recent modern history, as we are popularly exposed to it, is largely a collection of facts and anecdotes woven together to support a preconcieved narrative. This narrative is generally composed by either political and ideological likeminds, or opponents. Neither perspective is likely to give us an accurate impression and understanding of a presidency, a president or their realtime impact upon the broad-spectrum of American life and lives. I've seen the distortions within my lifetime, why should I expect that such was different before I was paying attention, or born.

I have to take issue with your dissing Carter if that is what you were doing. We had the OPEC Oil Embargo and his response was to begin promoting - Conservation, Development of Alternative Fuels (a very aggressive program as a matter of fact), and Renewables. If he had been able to achieve a second term we would likely now have the most advanced and widespread renewables program in the world including the latest solar panels on the Whitehouse. Further we would never of had to live through Reagan's Voodoo Economics, nor listen for the rest of our days to how Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall single-handedly! Balderdash! Carter was and is a kind and decent man. You are listening to to much "Faux" news propaganda.

Not that anyone cares, but my "worst picks for president" would have to be

1)George "What me Worry" Bush (hands down, worst ever)

2)John McCain - Sarah would have poisoned him by now and we would all be on our hands and knees praying that the Gulf Oil Spill would miraculously stop and clean itself up!

3)Rand Paul - I have lived all 54 of my years here in Kentucky and I hate to tell you, he is as good as in. We are not southern by choice here, we are southern (civil war type) by stupidity, especially when it comes to electing our national representatives. The majority of registered Democrats in Kentucky will vote for the national republican candidate in national elections. I don't really know why, they just do, election after frustrating election. They just can't seem to help themselves, it depresses me, it severely depresses me. I need to go take some St. John's Wart as quarky likes to say. Either that or some SAM-e! weeeee

4)Mitch McConnell - Just because I really don't like him at all.

5)Myself - I don't play well with others.

[Cicero]

I have to take issue with your dissing Carter if that is what you were doing. We had the OPEC Oil Embargo and his response was to begin promoting - Conservation, Development of Alternative Fuels (a very aggressive program as a matter of fact), and Renewables. If he had been able to achieve a second term we would likely now have the most advanced and widespread renewables program in the world including the latest solar panels on the Whitehouse. Further we would never of had to live through Reagan's Voodoo Economics, nor listen for the rest of our days to how Reagan brought down the Berlin Wall single-handedly! Balderdash! Carter was and is a kind and decent man. You are listening to to much "Faux" news propaganda.

Anybody who was conscious at the time POTUS Carter was in office disses him. His post POTUS years have been embarrassing as well.

Not that anyone cares, but my "worst picks for president" would have to be

1)George "What me Worry" Bush (hands down, worst ever)

Bush 41 and Bush 43 were horrible, but fortunately for them, there will always be the Carter Administration to make them look stunning in comparison.

)2) John McCain - Sarah would have poisoned him by now and we would all be on our hands and knees praying that the Gulf Oil Spill would miraculously stop and clean itself up!

3)Rand Paul - I have lived all 54 of my years here in Kentucky and I hate to tell you, he is as good as in. We are not southern by choice here, we are southern (civil war type) by stupidity, especially when it comes to electing our national representatives. The majority of registered Democrats in Kentucky will vote for the national republican candidate in national elections. I don't really know why, they just do, election after frustrating election. They just can't seem to help themselves, it depresses me, it severely depresses me. I need to go take some St. John's Wart as quarky likes to say. Either that or some SAM-e! weeeee

4)Mitch McConnell - Just because I really don't like him at all.

5)Myself - I don't play well with others.

But do you have lust in your heart?

The Georgia Screech's accomplishments:

1. Allowed the Shah of Iran to come to U.S. to die without considering how that decision affected the safety of Americans working and living in Iran at the time.

2. Impotence in dealing with Americans held hostage by Iran.

3. Inflation 13.5%

4. Interest rates at 20%

5. Unemployment 7.5%

6. Wanted to boycott the Moscow 1980 Winter games. If that happened, the USA would not have defeated Soviet Union in hockey.

"Jimmy Carter did not attend the Winter Games in Lake Placid. (Lord Killanin at that time declared that he could not understand why the United States refused to change its constitution so that presidential elections would not conflict with staging the Olympic Games"

"In the last couple years of the Reagan administration, Reagan would propose extravagant measures in arms reductions. His hawkish aides would go along with them, thinking the Soviets would reject them (and the United States would win a propaganda victory). Then, to the surprise of everyone (except perhaps Reagan, who meant the proposals without cynicism), Gorbachev would accept them.

In the end, Reagan and Gorbachev needed each other. Gorbachev needed to move swiftly if his reforms were to take hold. Reagan exerted the pressure that forced him to move swiftly and offered the rewards that made his foes and skeptics in the Politburo think the cutbacks might be worth it.

Gorbachev wasn't the only decisive presence. If Reagan hadn't been president—if Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale had defeated him or if Reagan had died and George H.W. Bush taken his place—Gorbachev almost certainly would not have received the push or reinforcement that he needed. Those other politicians would have been too traditional, too cautious, to push such radical proposals (zero nukes and SDI) or to take Gorbachev's radicalism at face value. (There's no need to speculate on this point. When Bush Sr. succeeded Reagan in 1989, U.S.-Soviet relations took a huge step backward; it took nearly a year for Bush and his advisers to realize that Gorby was for real.)"

http://www.slate.com/id/2102081/

[KingMerv00]

Darth Vader.

[Madalch]

Darth Vader.
You're right. If Anakin Skywalker had made a US President, it would have turned out like C-3PO. Constantly whining and worrying, bragging about being fluent in over sixty million different dialects of American English but refusing to speak in anything but a fake British accent....

[easycruise]

George McGovern
Gene McCarthy
Jimmy Carter
Barack Obama

All would have been, were, or soon will be the worst...president...ever

[cornsail]

Which high expectations are those? Honesty, integrity, sincerity? Exactly which expectations do you feel are unreasonable?

What I said, is that history, especially recent modern history, as we are popularly exposed to it, is largely a collection of facts and anecdotes woven together to support a preconcieved narrative. This narrative is generally composed by either political and ideological likeminds, or opponents. Neither perspective is likely to give us an accurate impression and understanding of a presidency, a president or their realtime impact upon the broad-spectrum of American life and lives. I've seen the distortions within my lifetime, why should I expect that such was different before I was paying attention, or born.

I largely agree with this.

[Upchurch]

Who is the last freaking President you liked?
Benjamin Franklin

[Jekyll's Guest]

William Randolph Hearst.

[NWO Sentryman]

what is it about Hearst that would be so bad?

[Kopji]

George Armstrong Custer - that could have been our last stand.

[MaGZ]

Okay, Okay, i ant people here to name at least 5 people they consider would have made very bad Presidents. remember, they must be plausible.

Curtis LeMay - say hello to Armageddon as the nukes fly. :eek:

Charles Lindbergh - 'Nuff Said

Henry Wallace - Pure Nightmare fuel.

George Wallace - Would have stunted civil rights for possibly decades

Strom Thurmond - can you say institutionalised Racism

Smedley Butler - He'd tolerate either an Axis Eurasia or a Red Eurasia.

Charles Lindbergh and Huey Long would have made great Presidents to replace FDR.

I helped in the campaign of George Wallace in 1968. George Lincoln Rockwell had just been assassinated the previous year.

[MaGZ]

My vote goes to Curtis Lemay. A nuclear war would almost certainly have occured with him as President.

He never ran for president. He was the VP choice of George Wallace probably because he could not get any other well-known name. I remember watching LeMay's introduction at the press conference "live" when he said he would bomb the Viet Cong back to the Stone Age and use nuclear weapons if necessary. LeMay was never cut-out to be a politician.

[MaGZ]

Gus Hall

I was once asked to sign a petition to get Gus Hall on the ballot when I was in college.

[MaGZ]

Back in the 1950s there was an move by Nationalists to draft General Douglas MacArthur to run for president.

[MaGZ]

There is also the fact that LeMay was cool with Wallace's racism. For that alone, he should have been considered unfit for duty.

I cringed when I heard the very suggestiuon that he might become VP just on the basis of an incident one of my friends told me about while I was stationed at Pope AFB.

Shortly before he retired, LeMay was at Pope for some operation that was going on there. The entire ramp area was dotted with fueling points set in slightly raised concrete. LeMay stood squarely on top of one of them and lit a cigar. My friend, who was on ramp patrol in a clearly-marked fire department vehicle stopped and informed LeMay that he was standing on top of a major fire hazard and that smoking was prohibited on any of the paved areas. LeMay just shrugged and told the Airman:"You see all those aircraft? They're all mine," and went on smoking his cigar.

Were he still alive, he would have been perfect to head OSHA under the Shrub.

Ten million Americans were cool with Wallace in 1968. That was the number of votes he got and he was on the ballot in all 50 states as the American Independent Party candidate. The campaign issue that year was 'law and order' not civil rights. Nixon stole the 'law and order' issue from Wallace and barely won the election.

[JihadJane]

Benjamin Netanyahu.

[MaGZ]

Benjamin Netanyahu.

Only when they make Israel the 51st state.

[Beerina]

Well, of course, some of them were evil They wanted to invade.



And Kennedy decided it was probably not a good idea to go on with the attacks on Castro. I would say he did pretty well.



I'm sure three generations now in relative poverty thank you for being so kind and wise to their magnanimous leader.

[leftysergeant]

[QUOTE=Beerina;6073725]I'm sure three generations now in relative poverty thank you for being so kind and wise to their magnanimous leader.[/QUOTAnd three generations of mobsters and pimps are still pissed off, I am sure.

[NWO Sentryman]

As well as Cuban Gays, dissidents, AIDS victims etc...

By that logic, I could say that the Draka were a good thing as they got rid of crime in their occupied territories.

[peptoabysmal]

Guess who's making a run for 2012?
http://www.paulsen.com/pat/

[Alferd_Packer]

Robert Hienlien wrote an alternate history story with George S. Patton as president.