Boyott the Movie "Miracle"

[Tmy]

Oh sure its a feel good patriotic movie about the 80 Olympic hockey team, and thats great. Except for one thing, THOSE HOLLYWOOD PRICKS FILMED THE MOVIE IN CANADA!!!

So its OK to make millions off patriotism but god forbid they spend the money to make the thing in the US. Where it happened!!!

Im sure people will blame the unions (theyre such a great scapegoat) but the truth is they could have done the movie in the states. Considering the topic, and how they are marketing the movie, Im offended that they didnt film it here.

[Skeptical Greg]

I wasn't planning on seeing it anyway.. Can I be considered a ' boycotter' ? I would like to fancy myself an activist...

[KelvinG]

Since I work in the film industry in Canada, I will see the movie several times to make up for the folks who don't see it because of this boycott.:p

[Luke T.]

Another evil corporation outsourcing jobs to a foreign country. :D

[xouper]

Sorry, Tmy, but as an amateur hockey player, I don't feel your indignation. Or to put it another way, I see your point, but it's not something that will stop me from seeing the movie.

Consider also that things like the following American/Canadian flag patch are commonly seen in youth hockey here in Detroit. There is a lot of dual-national culture in amateur hockey, so I'm not at all surprised that the movie was filmed in Canada. Besides, have you checked out the price of ice time here in the States? :)

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by KelvinG
Since I work in the film industry in Canada, I will see the movie several times to make up for the folks who don't see it because of this boycott.:p

I'm dating a Canadian film maker (or is it filmmaker or filmaker or film-maker?) so we will join you in your anti-boycott ;)

[Upchurch]

I don't understand why we don't just get it over with and form the United States of Americanada.

Or the United States of Americanadexico.

Or the United States of Mexicanada.

Or the United States of North America.

Or something.

[subgenius]

My brother was supposed to be on that team, but ripped up a knee.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by subgenius
My brother was supposed to be on that team, but ripped up a knee. Doing what? That's gotta kill him.

[Tmy]

Originally posted by xouper
Sorry, Tmy, but as an amateur hockey player, I don't feel your indignation. Or to put it another way, I see your point, but it's not something that will stop me from seeing the movie.

Consider also that things like the following American/Canadian flag patch are commonly seen in youth hockey here in Detroit. There is a lot of dual-national culture in amateur hockey, so I'm not at all surprised that the movie was filmed in Canada. Besides, have you checked out the price of ice time here in the States? :)

Well Im up for banishing you annoying Red Wing fans to the Yucon!:p


Is it the unions, or the big compaines who buy off our lawmakers and get the OK to shop around for slave labor wh little or no financial disinsentives.

[aerosolben]

Originally posted by xouper
There is a lot of dual-national culture in amateur hockey, so I'm not at all surprised that the movie was filmed in Canada.

I'm not surprised either, but not because US hockey has close ties to Canada. It's because making movies in Canada is hell-a cheaper!

And as for the "kindred spirits" in hockey, IMDB tells us that:

-During filming at a residence of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, rowdy residents disturbed filming by hanging USSR flags in the residence windows, reporting the shoot to the fire marshal, yelling distracting taunts at the actors, and even stealing 'Kurt Russell' 's chair.

-To rally the crowd of Canadian extras to cheer for the American Olympic team, First Assistant Director Pete Whyte held up a Canadian flag and skated around the ice of Vancouver's PNE Agrodome, waving it wildly.

[davefoc]

I wasn't planning to see the movie, I don't go that many movies anyway.

But now do I have to go to show my support for our Canadian friends who have fought with us in several wars?

Or do I have to go to show my support for free trade with the Canadians?

Or do I have to go to show that I don't support the nepotism dominated Hollywood unions?

Jeez, I don't know, I really have no interest in seeing the movie but I may have to go now.

edited to add:
I'd also like to show my support for the Canadians who were accidentally killed in a terrible friendly fire incident at the end of the first gulf war.

And in particular I'd like to show my support to the Canadians who at considerable risk to themselves helped get American diplomat personel out of Iran during when the people in the American embassy were held hostage.

If going to this movie will really accomplish all of this maybe I'll have to go.

[xouper]

aerosolben: And as for the "kindred spirits" in hockey, IMDB tells us that:That doesn't even begin to refute what I said about "kindred spirits" in amateur hockey. I've lived it. I've worn the double flag patches. I've played lots of youth hockey in both Canada and the States. I've lived it. :)

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Doing what? That's gotta kill him.
Ripped the knee playing hockey, what else.

[Kodiak]

I saw the movie Saturday and thought it was excellent without being jingoistic or syrupy.

Best hockey film since the story about Ted Lindsey and the formation of the NHLPA (can't remember the actual film title...).

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by subgenius

Ripped the knee playing hockey, what else. Duh. I'm an idiot. I just hoped it wasn't something dumb like stepping in a gopher hole or shooting hoops for fun. The kind of stupid thing that makes you second guess yourself.

[Khalid01]

I'm with Diogenes, I wasn't planning on seeing the movie before, and I suppose after Tmy's rallying for support, I'll feel as if I made someone's day in not going.

Although, admittedly, I have my own zealous reasons for not going. The first being that it was produced by Disney *spits indignantly*, and that it's about hockey. I abhor the former, and don't care an inkling for the latter... although that goes for any sport, except cycling.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Tmy
Oh sure its a feel good patriotic movie about the 80 Olympic hockey team, and thats great. Except for one thing, THOSE HOLLYWOOD PRICKS FILMED THE MOVIE IN CANADA!!!

So its OK to make millions off patriotism but god forbid they spend the money to make the thing in the US. Where it happened!!!

Im sure people will blame the unions (theyre such a great scapegoat) but the truth is they could have done the movie in the states. Considering the topic, and how they are marketing the movie, Im offended that they didnt film it here.

Sorry, but while such things can be irritating, they happen all the time and boycotting the movie in question will do no good.

Star Wars was not filmed in a galaxy far, far away, a long, long time ago.
Platoon was not filmed in Vietnam.
Mothman was not filmed in West Virginia.
and so on.

[Andonyx]

For what it's worth TMY having been on crews for various films in NY, Chicago, and DC...I can't blame the film company.

There are plenty of angry and pissed off union guys who used to make decent livings doing film work. Now they are working two and three gigs out of town just to survive. But they are not angry with the filmmakers, they are angry with the city Mayors.

It used to be a great gig to shoot in places like Chicago, Seattle, and Dallas, because you had fantastic locations, top-notch accomodations, and access to studios, development houses, hardware, and local talent and crew that were experienced and readily available, it was a win-win situation. Then the city Mayors got greedy and taxed most of these productions out of existence. Even ER doesn't shoot their exteriors here most of the time anymore because the city film offices made it too expensive. It's now actually chepaer to go further away to another frickin country than it is to shoot in Chicago.

[subgenius]

Completely irrelevent, but cool:
"8 Mile" filmed in Detroit.
"Super Sucker" filmed in Jackson, Michigan.
"Escanaba in da Moonlight" filmed in Escanaba Michigan.
Jeff Daniels (last two) is a neat guy.

The producer (Weinstein?) is claiming "Cold Mountain" was snubbed by the Academy for being filmed in Romania.

The "Made in USA" squad is met by the "Freedom of Choice/Free Market" battalion.

[Tmy]

Oh come on people. We're so quick to boycott French wine and make a big deal over Janets boob, whats one more??? Hollywood has some good shaming a comin'!

Shame cause the H-wood elite are for the little people, yet the little people get screwed when they film elsewhere.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Tmy
Oh sure its a feel good patriotic movie about the 80 Olympic hockey team, and thats great. Except for one thing, THOSE HOLLYWOOD PRICKS FILMED THE MOVIE IN CANADA!!!



Hey, the U.S. has come in and stolen so many of Canada's hockey teams and its players... letting Hollywood film a movie here is the least you could do.

[davefoc]

Diogenes said:I wasn't planning on seeing it anyway.. Can I be considered a ' boycotter' ? I would like to fancy myself an activist...

Hmm, for reasons previously listed I don't support the boycott but I don't particularly want to see the movie.

Could I be considered 'anti-boycotter' if my not going to see the movie is balanced by Diogenes not going to see the movie.

I too would like to fancy myself an activist.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Tmy
Oh come on people. We're so quick to boycott French wine and make a big deal over Janets boob, whats one more??? Hollywood has some good shaming a comin'!

Shame cause the H-wood elite are for the little people, yet the little people get screwed when they film elsewhere.

And if "we" didn't get on the French/Janet bandwagon?

H-wood elite for the little people? Interesting premise.

And how about the argument that the little people get screwed by high ticket prices because of higher costs?

[Clancie]

I'm surprised no one seems to think there's any (or enough) hypocrisy in filmmakers marketing their movie by appealing to US nationalism/patriotism but not having enough patriotism of their own to make their movie (and keep their $$$) in the U.S. !

Is it really so different from Chrysler saying "Buy American" and then putting their own money into their automobile facotries in Mexico and Asia? :confused:

[Ed]

Originally posted by Kodiak
I saw the movie Saturday and thought it was excellent without being jingoistic or syrupy.

Best hockey film since the story about Ted Lindsey and the formation of the NHLPA (can't remember the actual film title...).

It was "Ted Lindsey and the formation of the NHLPA".

For some reason the title did not test too well.:D

[aerosolben]

Originally posted by xouper
That doesn't even begin to refute what I said about "kindred spirits" in amateur hockey. I've lived it. I've worn the double flag patches. I've played lots of youth hockey in both Canada and the States. I've lived it. :)

I know better than to refute it; I thought it was funny "in light of" (or perhaps Canadians draw the line at the Olympics :))

[Tmy]

FOOLS! The Canadians are not our pals. Theyve always resented us, might as well have filmed the thing in Paris!

Dont kid yourselves, the Canucks would eat you and your whole family if given the chance!:p

[xouper]

aerosolben: I know better than to refute it; I thought it was funny "in light of" (or perhaps Canadians draw the line at the Olympics :)) <table><tr><td>OK, sorry, I misunderstood your point. </td><td> :crazy:</td></tr></table>

[scribble]

Originally posted by Tmy
[B]Oh sure its a feel good patriotic movie about the 80 Olympic hockey team, and thats great. Except for one thing, THOSE HOLLYWOOD PRICKS FILMED THE MOVIE IN CANADA!!!


Okay, let's be realistic here. Since this is no longer the 80's, where else are they going to go to find hockey players?

[WildCat]

Originally posted by Clancie
I'm surprised no one seems to think there's any (or enough) hypocrisy in filmmakers marketing their movie by appealing to US nationalism/patriotism but not having enough patriotism of their own to make their movie (and keep their $$$) in the U.S. !

Is it really so different from Chrysler saying "Buy American" and then putting their own money into their automobile facotries in Mexico and Asia? :confused:
Patriotism doesn't keep a film in the black, and Chrysler is a German company. :p

[WildCat]

Tmy, it might also piss you off to learn that the epic Civil War film "Cold Mountain" was filmed in Europe, Romania IIRC.

[Clancie]

Posted by WildCat

Chrysler is a German company.
Daimler-Chrysler. But I was thinking of the Lee Iacocca days and his campaign telling everyone to "Buy American" (i.e. a Chrysler) while they were closing plants and laying off U.S. workers and moving jobs to Mexico.

The contradiction of using patriotism as a marketing ploy while putting your own movie-making money into production in Canada isn't a perfect parallel, but I was surprised no one seemed to feel there was any issue worth pursuing in this.

Of course, then again, I'm not much on the intensely patriotic slant in the most recent Olympic coverages anyway and probably am not the target audience for this movie in any case.....

[xouper]

Clancie: The contradiction of using patriotism as a marketing ploy while putting your own movie-making money into production in Canada isn't a perfect parallel, but I was surprised no one seemed to feel there was any issue worth pursuing in this.Apparently you didn't read Tmy's opening post?

I get the point. I just don't feel the need to put that issue high on my list of things to get excited about. There are already too many other things clamoring for my indignation. :)

[Zep]

They SHOULD have filmed it here on Sydney Harbour...

Then EVERYONE in North America would have been equally offended.

Incidentally, a few more:

Lord Of The Rings - New Zealand (not Middle Earth! :) )
The Thin Red Line - Australia
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Italy

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Kodiak
I saw the movie Saturday and thought it was excellent without being jingoistic or syrupy.

Best hockey film since the story about Ted Lindsey and the formation of the NHLPA (can't remember the actual film title...).
Shameless sibling pride: My aforementioned brother played for Ted at Hillsdale College. Proud to say he and Gordie are old family friends.

My beloved late father coached much amateur hockey (I'll bet xouper would remember the name, if he's old enough) and was a pioneer in Women's amateur hockey. Must have gotten my love for women from him. He had nine children.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Zep
They SHOULD have filmed it here on Sydney Harbour...

Then EVERYONE in North America would have been equally offended.

Incidentally, a few more:

Lord Of The Rings - New Zealand (not Middle Earth! :) )
The Thin Red Line - Australia
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly - Italy

All the great Clint Eastwood spaghetti "Westerns" were filmed in Europe, so I guess there's nothing new.

[Schizobunny]

I didn't want to see it anyways, but don't you think it is kind of vaccuous to boycott a film just because of where it was filmed.

[Ælfgifu]

Proud to say he and Gordie are old family friends. Well, you've just succeeded in making my mom really jealous.

My problem with the movie Miracle is that it was made to make us all feel patriotic at a time when patriotism is being used to whip us all up into a mindless little frenzy of conformity.

That and it's made by Disney, who will no doubt put their own little two dimensional spin on the issue.

I was only a little over two years old in 1980, but still, every hockey fan knows the story. It's not a story to be ruined for the political bandwagon.

Have a nice day,
Kelly :)

[Tesserat]

Originally posted by Tmy
Oh sure its a feel good patriotic movie about the 80 Olympic hockey team, and thats great. Except for one thing, THOSE HOLLYWOOD PRICKS FILMED THE MOVIE IN CANADA!!!


It doesn't surprise me at all, after all, it's Disney. We worked for them for six months, and sometimes they were completely clueless about simple public relations. Bizarre.

On a side note, My wife and I (Canadian acrobats) have been hired twice to perform in July 4th celebrations in the states. We're good, but we're not that good. And they introduced us as being from Canada. Go figure.

I won't see the movie, but just because I think there's something basically wrong with Americans playing hockey. It just ain't natchural.

[Tesserat]

Originally posted by davefoc
I wasn't planning to see the movie, I don't go that many movies anyway.

But now do I have to go to show my support for our Canadian friends who have fought with us in several wars?

Or do I have to go to show my support for free trade with the Canadians?

Or do I have to go to show that I don't support the nepotism dominated Hollywood unions?

Jeez, I don't know, I really have no interest in seeing the movie but I may have to go now.

edited to add:
I'd also like to show my support for the Canadians who were accidentally killed in a terrible friendly fire incident at the end of the first gulf war.

And in particular I'd like to show my support to the Canadians who at considerable risk to themselves helped get American diplomat personel out of Iran during when the people in the American embassy were held hostage.

If going to this movie will really accomplish all of this maybe I'll have to go.


Thank you very very much for writing this.

[ingoa]

Lyrics: (c) South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut


...
...
Blame Canada, Blame Canada

With all their hockey hubbabaloo
And that bitch Anne Murray too

Blame Canada, Shame on Canada

The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus


Another film that was not filmed on location. Neither South Park nor hell. :D

Edited to add: I was looking for some pics from the movie and found THIS (http://www.capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm) :jaw:

[Bottle or the Gun]

You know it's actually cheaper to pack up a movie studio and take it to another country to film a motion picture than it is to stay and do it in the US? Crazy.

Oh, also....was this film produced by the Homeland Security Dept, Official Propoganda Office? Seems like a cynical flag-waving attempt to me.

[Tmy]

Well when do you all get outraged?

Is it ok for Kathy Lee to have an asian sweatshop make her clothes line? After all its the unions fault she has to go oversees to find slave child labour.

Was it ok for artists to make big money in Aparthied Africa, or are you not gonna play Sun City!

Ya know outrage is not just for religious freaks.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Tmy
Well when do you all get outraged?


Us all? It would seem that there's a bunch of individuals here.

Having trouble rousing the rabble, are we?

[Tmy]

Well ya all could use a rousing of rabble. Im just wondering what it takes to angry up the blood.

Have any of you ever boycotted anything? Im not too fond wh WalMart right now.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Tmy
Well ya all could use a rousing of rabble. Im just wondering what it takes to angry up the blood.

Have any of you ever boycotted anything? Im not too fond wh WalMart right now.

Derailing your own thread.
Boycott anything? Yeah, I for one did not play Sun City.
And I did not and would not have gone to Viet Nam. I had a note from my mom that read, "He cannot go to the war. He has the sniffles."
I also boycott movies or shows with $cientologist actors.

[Larspeart]

Well, since we stole their national past-time and sport, AND most of the players in Hockey today are canadian, AND most players on both sides of the border have a high level of mutual respect and comraderie (they almost consider themselves as 'One Nation, Under Hockey'), AND I don't see a problem with a filmmaker saving MILLIONS to shoot a movie elsewhere because it costs WAY too much to do it here. . .

Where is the problem?

I live in Detroit, which is both Hockeytown, and the big-sister city to Ontario's Windsor. I see no problem that they filmed it in Canada.

[zenith-nadir]

Movie are filmed in other countries for financial reasons. Without cheaper alternatives to make certain kinds of television shows and movies, they probably wouldn't get made at all.

They are termed in the "biz" as "runaway productions".

There was a proposed legislation — the United States Independent Film and Television Production Incentive Act of 2001, H.R. 3131 -- which sought to provide a wage-based tax credit for productions of films, television or cable programming, miniseries, episodic television, and movies of the week produced in the U.S., with total wage costs between $200,000 and $10 million. I dunno what happened to it.

The issue of runaway productions is hardly new. In the mid-'80s, there were similar cries from Hollywood entertainment workers, though it mostly involved productions moving to less expensive states, like North Carolina, Texas and Florida.

But in the era of stars who the studios have to pay $20,000,000 up front the studios are looking at any and every way to save $$$.

A 10,000,000 million U.S. dollar picture increases it's budget to $13,263,587.23 CAD.

That is a free $3,263,587.23 if the studio decides to shoot it in Canada.

After all it is called "show business"...with an emphasis on business...

[subgenius]

Anyway our glorious president says that the movement of jobs overseas is good for this country. End of story.

Bush report: Sending jobs overseas helps U.S.
WASHINGTON — The movement of American factory jobs and white-collar work to other countries is part of a positive transformation that will enrich the U.S. economy over time, even if it causes short-term pain and dislocation, the Bush administration said yesterday.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001854367_bushecon10.html

And when we're talking about war we're really talking about peace.

[xouper]

subgenius: Anyway our glorious president says that the movement of jobs overseas is good for this country. End of story.I agree. American companies should be allowed to buy their resources wherever they like.

[Bottle or the Gun]

Reminds what was said about cars in the 1980's. American business was upset that no one was buying US-made cars, and raised taxes on imports, even though the Big 3 was arrogantly cranking out peices of crap.

[Clancie]

I don't think Tmy's point has anything to do with Canada or Canadians (or even with hockey....).....

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Clancie
I don't think Tmy's point has anything to do with Canada or Canadians (or even with hockey....).....
Of course not, but we love hockey.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by ingoa
Edited to add: I was looking for some pics from the movie and found THIS (http://www.capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm) :jaw:
Holy crap!! That is so funny, I swear I had to keep looking at the url to be sure it wasn't Landover Baptist. Amazing how fundies can parody themselves w/o even realizing it!

[Zep]

Originally posted by subgenius
All the great Clint Eastwood spaghetti "Westerns" were filmed in Europe, so I guess there's nothing new. True. Actually, is there ANYTHING shot (umm, sorry, filmed) in Hollywood any more these days?

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Larspeart
Well, since we stole their national past-time and sport, AND most of the players in Hockey today are canadian, AND most players on both sides of the border have a high level of mutual respect and comraderie (they almost consider themselves as 'One Nation, Under Hockey'), AND I don't see a problem with a filmmaker saving MILLIONS to shoot a movie elsewhere because it costs WAY too much to do it here. . .

Where is the problem?



Well its obvious that Canadians have a genetic advantage in hockey! And I guess it was eaiser to find a crowd full of mullets in Canada. BUT, I think we in the states have been big business brainwashed. We are so OK with comapines doing whatever to make a buck. Unions are now the bad guys, the evil EPA is stopping business progress. When compaines move over sees, we blame OUR govt.

Its like compaines have no fear of bad PR cause whatever they do is ok so long as it means more profits. In individuals we call that greed and look down on them. In companies we call it good business.

I think its time we started expecting a little more social responsibilty our of our compaines. And not just when some boob flies out.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Zep
True. Actually, is there ANYTHING shot (umm, sorry, filmed) in Hollywood any more these days?

Probably x-rated movies.