TAM 9 Wishlist

[k-ho]

WOW that was a good time. I should have said this to DJ Grothe when I was behind him in line at the Skepchick party beer line, but I have some requests that may or may not be feasible.

Mary Roach

Gary Numan

Anyone else?

Do they hear requests? And how far in advance do they plan the roster?

[hcmom]

Did you turn in your what'sit sheet?

[paperskater]

Randall Munroe

[strimmer]

Jared Diamond
Bill Nye
EO Wilson

[Chris H]

Bill Nye



So, at TAM8 I finally discovered that I'm thinking of a different Bill Nighy (http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/bill-nighy-in-love-actually.jpg) than everyone else is.

I would like to see TAM at a different time of year. That July weather is ****** ridiculous! April/May maybe (http://www.lasvegasdirect.com/weather_averages.gif)?

[hcmom]

TAM used to be in January. I believe part of the reason it was moved to the summer months was so that students and teachers could attend with less disruption to the school year.

[Chris H]

TAM used to be in January. I believe part of the reason it was moved to the summer months was so that students and teachers could attend with less disruption to the school year.


Good idea. Let's have it somewhere cold then. ;)

[Hokulele]

It would be nice if they moved it to the weekend before 4th of July weekend so I could actually stay for an entire TAM one of these years.

[arthwollipot]

Randall MunroeThis is a great idea.

[KarlG]

Good idea. Let's have it somewhere cold then. ;)


Well, there is TAM London in October, coldness guaranteed.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Well, there is TAM London in October, coldness guaranteed.

I wore shorts at TAM London last year. The weather was quite pleasant. :)

[Hokulele Mom]

It would be nice if they moved it to the weekend before 4th of July weekend so I could actually stay for an entire TAM one of these years.

I asked Randi about next year. The meeting is expected to be at the same time in Las Vegas. The location has not been verified. Sorry, daughter.

Las Vegas is a great place for TAM because of the availability of people like Banachek, Penn and Teller, Mac King, etc. and variety of evening entertainment and eating places. You don't have to stay at the hotel the entire conference.

Also, the stay for me in Las Vegas is very cheap. I went home with the same amount of cash and the credit card balance as I came in with. It takes a lot of patience to win enough on penny slot to cover the cost of dinner and drink for five days. :)

Hokulele Mom

[Hokulele]

I asked Randi about next year. The meeting is expected to be at the same time in Las Vegas. The location has not been verified. Sorry, daughter.


Poop.

Also, the stay for me in Las Vegas is very cheap. I went home with the same amount of cash and the credit card balance as I came in with. It takes a lot of patience to win enough on penny slot to cover the cost of dinner and drink for five days. :)

Hokulele Mom


That's because you kept "borrowing" my money. :p

[saganite]

Seth MacFarlane as keynote speaker.

Alison Gopnik. (http://www.alisongopnik.com/)

Ditto on Mary Roach.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Seth MacFarlane as keynote speaker.

Seconded.

[SkepticScott]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space

[The Central Scrutinizer]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space

I like it! More astronomy and NASA related lectures. But not McGahee (sp?).

[kmortis]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space
Only if we could get a collection of Ed Wood movies played in the Del Mar every night.

[kmortis]

I like it! More astronomy and NASA related lectures. But not McGahee (sp?).
McGaha.

[SkepticScott]

Only if we could get a collection of Ed Wood movies played in the Del Mar every night.Why the Del Mar? There's a movie theater in the casino!

[kmortis]

Why the Del Mar? There's a movie theater in the casino!
'Cause it'd be more fun to play Martian Fluxx while watching Plan 9.

[Lucian]

I like it! More astronomy and NASA related lectures. But not McGahee (sp?).

Doesn't Brian May of Queen have a Ph.D. in Astrophysics? Just a thought.

[SkepticScott]

Don't forget "Awful Green Things From Outer Space" and "They've Invaded Pleasantville". :)

[kmortis]

Don't forget "Awful Green Things From Outer Space" and "They've Invaded Pleasantville". :)
I did hear that there's a chance that Munchkin &/or Munchkin Cthulhu could make an appearance next year. They both could fit into an Ed Wood Themed gathering.

[MattusMaximus]

That's because you kept "borrowing" my money. :p

Now, now ladies, it doesn't really matter whose money it is, so long as you're winning...

... and giving me my 10% cut ;)

[MattusMaximus]

What would be awesome for TAM9?

Me... on fire :flamed:

[Hokulele]

Pfft. I let you in my hotel room.







To return my handtruck. What?

[MLynn]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space
Yes, perfect - all sorts of t-shirt possibilities!

Dr. Neil Degrasse/Astrophysicist
Mike Rowe/Dirty Jobs
Penn & Teller (I missed their presence this time)

[Hokulele]

Mike Rowe!

*Drools*

[MattusMaximus]

Pfft. I let you in my hotel room.

To return my handtruck. What?

You not only let me in, but you gave me your room key.

What? Why is everyone looking at us like that?

[MattusMaximus]

Mike Rowe!

*Drools*

Looks like you'll need this...

*throws towel to Hokulele*

[ExMinister]

I loved the forum name tags. (Thanks, Kochanski!!) If only the name part was, oh, 600 times bigger so I could read them as people walked by! If you saw a blond female wearing glasses staring intently at your chests, that was me, and I really was looking at your name tag.

Next year, if they could be the size of billboards, that would help me a lot. :)

[kmortis]

I loved the forum name tags. (Thanks, Kochanski!!) If only the name part was, oh, 600 times bigger so I could read them as people walked by! If you saw a blond female wearing glasses staring intently at your chests, that was me, and I really was looking at your name tag.

Next year, if they could be the size of billboards, that would help me a lot. :)
And here I thought you were into middle aged overweight guys. :p

Yeah, I felt a bit self-conscience a couple of times when, after staring at a woman's badge, I felt her eyes upon me. I swear, it's the badge!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I loved the forum name tags. (Thanks, Kochanski!!) If only the name part was, oh, 600 times bigger so I could read them as people walked by! If you saw a blond female wearing glasses staring intently at your chests, that was me, and I really was looking at your name tag.

Next year, if they could be the size of billboards, that would help me a lot. :)

The name tags or the chests?

[aofl]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space

Yes!

And invite the MST3K guys for a live performance!

A

[SkepticScott]

Yeah, I felt a bit self-conscience a couple of times when, after staring at a woman's badge, I felt her eyes upon me. I swear, it's the badge!I own an "I'm just looking at your nametag, honest!" button for just such occasions. :)

[bookitty]

In addition to the suggestions above, Terry Pratchett as speaker (if his health allows)

More First TAM-er buttons. It was really fun discovering other firsties by accident but knowing would have been nice as well.

[Skeptical Samurai]

Def need to bring back Penn and Teller

Htichens would also be great!

[Sharklauncher]

Wishlist, eh? Great, now my first post is going to be nothing more than whining...


More time for lunch. We were all pretty pressed for time.
Some poster tubes made available to those of us who buy things like signed copies of Ben Radford's Playing Gods posters.
A keynote that's actually a speech. I mean, Dawkins was awesome, but quizzing him on science fiction for an hour rather than having him address the horde was a little disappointing.
I wish we had power outlets and reasonably priced wifi, but I think we all coped pretty well.
P&T, obviously

[Hindmost]

Michio Kaku would be great. A return visit from Carolyn Porco too.

I would also like to see Gene Kranz

glenn

[The Central Scrutinizer]

More time for lunch. We were all pretty pressed for time.


No. I thought there was plenty of time, and if you give more time for lunch, you get fewer speakers.


A keynote that's actually a speech. I mean, Dawkins was awesome, but quizzing him on science fiction for an hour rather than having him address the horde was a little disappointing.


The Q&A was at Dawkins request.

[Sharklauncher]

No. I thought there was plenty of time, and if you give more time for lunch, you get fewer speakers.


Friday and Saturday were fine; I should have clarified. Thursday's workshops were really pressed.

The Q&A was at Dawkins request.

Either way, this was just about the only thing at TAM which I walked away from disappointed. As it stood, it was merely an interview, not a keynote. Everything else was fantastic.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Friday and Saturday were fine; I should have clarified. Thursday's workshops were really pressed.

True. I just pigged out at the breakfast buffet and skipped lunch.

[k-ho]

OH! Also John Lee and Vernon Chatman from Wondershowzen.

I boffed on the survey, never saw it unfortunately.

And yes the expensive wifi was lame city.

[SkepticScott]

More First TAM-er buttons.Will do. We weren't sure if people would want them and didn't know how many first TAMmers there would be, so 100 seemed like it would be plenty. I was wrong.

[Rex-]

Richard Wiseman
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Bill Nye
Derren Brown
Bob Friedhoffer
The ghost of Jerry Andrus

[Loon]

Brendan Nyhan
Dana Milbank
Alicia Shepard

All three were on NPR Talk of the Nation this afternoon talking about why facts don't matter in politics.

Also:
Brian Wansink
Steve Kuno
Perhaps the guys from Freakonomics

Fewer panels.

No interviews on stage. None of this "so and so interviews someone else" crap. None. Dislike. Boring.

Do not make the reception suck nearly as bad as it did.

Don't let DJ talk so much, and don't interrupt lunch for anything but more food.

[rustypouch]

Well, I should be there.

Besides that, I would really like to see James Burke speak. He doesn't do much anymore, and he's not exactly a skeptic speaker, but he's awesome.

[Phlebas]

The Q&A was at Dawkins request.

Yep. But next time, the correct answer to that request is "no, thanks anyway" and move to the next person on the list. I don't object to trying new things as long as we don't do the ones that don't work again.

Also -- and this is important -- more white chocolate macadamia cookies, fewer oatmeal raisin.

[ExMinister]

Bart Ehrman.

Neil deGrasse Tyson (lots of people told me he has spoken there in the past and was even more fun to hear than read).

More skep-doc type material.

Ian Rowland or someone equally knowledgeable about cold-reading and what makes psychics and mediums successful.

[Sc00ter]

More Q&A time with speakers, and more importantly panels. I thought the whole point of panels was for Q&A.

[brainlesssteel]

I second calls for Randall Munroe and Bill Nye. I regret not being there the year Neil DeGrasse Tyson did the keynote, so having him again would be awesome. My personal dream would be that Henry Rollins were invited to be there. However, I don't know if he's into the whole skeptic thing.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Ian Rowland or someone equally knowledgeable about cold-reading and what makes psychics and mediums successful.

Ian Rowland was at TAM 2. I doubt he'll be back.

[kmortis]

Ian Rowland was at TAM 2. I doubt he'll be back.
Why?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Why?

At the end of his lecture, he basically begged for money.

[ExMinister]

At the end of his lecture, he basically begged for money.

Oh. Yikes.

Well, someone similarly knowledgeable then.

[aofl]

Also -- and this is important -- more white chocolate macadamia cookies, fewer oatmeal raisin.

Actually, I'd like to request fewer sugary snacks and more healthy ones during the break. Would a vegetable platter or two been too much to ask? Or cold cuts and cheese?

You know, actual food?

A

[Phlebas]

Actually, I'd like to request fewer sugary snacks and more healthy ones during the break. Would a vegetable platter or two been too much to ask? Or cold cuts and cheese?

You know, actual food?

A

I'm fine with that. Cut out ALL the oatmeal raisin cookies and bring a few extra WCMs and some rabbit food.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Actually, I'd like to request fewer sugary snacks and more healthy ones during the break. Would a vegetable platter or two been too much to ask? Or cold cuts and cheese?

You know, actual food?

A

"Actual food" is what lunch is for. Breaks are for cookies and chips.

My only complaint (minor), for about the 5th TAM in a row, is that not everyone drinks coffee in the morning.

[Phlebas]

"Actual food" is what lunch is for. Breaks are for cookies and chips.

My only complaint (minor), for about the 5th TAM in a row, is that not everyone drinks coffee in the morning.

Yeah, but it would be expensive to serve everyone Scotch.

[Phlebas]

Oh, since we're wish-listing: I'll just keep crossing my fingers for Ann Druyan.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yeah, but it would be expensive to serve everyone Scotch.

Beer is cheaper.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh, since we're wish-listing: I'll just keep crossing my fingers for Ann Druyan.

Yes!!!

I saw her and Neil deGrasse Tyson do a presentation together in NY about 3 years ago or so. Awesome.

[Skeptic Guy]

Oh, since we're wish-listing: I'll just keep crossing my fingers for Ann Druyan.

I haven't been to a TAM but hope to so I shouldn't jump in, but this would just add to the pressure of me attending! Her and Neil deGrasse Tyson.

[zooterkin]

I wore shorts at TAM London last year. The weather was quite pleasant. :)
The view, for the rest of us, not so pleasant...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The view, for the rest of us, not so pleasant...

Damn you!!! :mad:

[Patricio Elicer]

At the end of his lecture, he basically begged for money.


Yep, I remember that. It was a kind of sad watching.

[Patricio Elicer]

Oh, since we're wish-listing: I'll just keep crossing my fingers for Ann Druyan.


Yeah, a thousand votes for Annie. Oh man, how I'd love that Carl himself would be at TAM :mad::mad::mad:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yep, I remember that. It was a kind of sad watching.

Plus, some of us (me, Renata, others) went out with him after, to the Peppermill as I recall, and he's something of a pompous ass.

[kmortis]

Yeah, a thousand votes for Annie. Oh man, how I'd love that Carl himself would be at TAM :mad::mad::mad:
I've heard of this guy who might be able to make that happen. Maybe you've heard of him? John Edward?









:p

[aofl]

"Actual food" is what lunch is for. Breaks are for cookies and chips.

This diabetic begs to differ.

My only complaint (minor), for about the 5th TAM in a row, is that not everyone drinks coffee in the morning.

It should be pointed out that what was in those urns was not coffee but a peculiar brown colored substance that many institutions (and my mother) like to call coffee. I know this is largely outside of TAM's control, but oh, how I wish we could be served real coffee in the mornings.

A

[kmortis]

This diabetic begs to differ.
As does this one. The second lunch was something of a disappointment because they took away the fruit option for dessert. While I avoid grapes, I do eat all manner of berries. The first lunch I made myself a nice lil fruit salad while all my fellow diners ate the pies. I was quite happy.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that at a gathering with so much general medical knowledge, that the food provided isn't a little better balanced. It's tastey, mind you, but I have problems at time finding things that I allow myself to eat.

[Homoskeptical]

I did hear that there's a chance that Munchkin &/or Munchkin Cthulhu could make an appearance next year. They both could fit into an Ed Wood Themed gathering.


It didn't occur to me to bring games! Next year, I'll come packin'.

[Homoskeptical]

Well, I should be there.

Besides that, I would really like to see James Burke speak. He doesn't do much anymore, and he's not exactly a skeptic speaker, but he's awesome.

Ooooh! I could go for some James Burke!

[saganite]

Actually, I'd like to request fewer sugary snacks and more healthy ones during the break. Would a vegetable platter or two been too much to ask? Or cold cuts and cheese?

You know, actual food?

A

To each her/his own, I guess -- I was thrilled to have an excuse to snack on delicious cookies all afternoon.

[MattusMaximus]

Yes!

And invite the MST3K guys for a live performance!

A

If they play "Manos, Hands of Fate" I'll have to kill someone.

[Dicon]

Since Bill Nye has been mentioned several times (and comes up every year when a list like this gets going) --- I have vague memories that JREF approached him once and he wanted a LOT of money for an appearance.

[paperskater]

Randall Munroe
This is a great idea.
I second calls for Randall Munroe and Bill Nye.


I call dibs on being Randall's personal TAM assistant!! DIBS DIBS! :heartbeat:

[gumbright]

All I know is that the one person I would definitely want to be at TAM 9 is me.

[Dicon]

Here's my wishlist: A line-up without a single speaker who has ever spoken at TAM before.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

To each her/his own, I guess -- I was thrilled to have an excuse to snack on delicious cookies all afternoon.

Me too! I feel like I'm not fat enough already. :)

[SkepticScott]

I call dibs on being Randall's personal TAM assistant!! DIBS DIBS! :heartbeat:What's that entail, carrying the hat or a red spider?;)

[nowoo]

Barbara Ehrenreich

Check out this animation of one of her talks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo

[paperskater]

What's that entail, carrying the hat or a red spider?;)


I will do both, even though spiders creep me out. I will also chase off any velociraptors that happen to make it inside the hotel. :p

[Patricio Elicer]

I've heard of this guy who might be able to make that happen. Maybe you've heard of him? John Edward?


Yeah, how didn't I think of that. John Edward to TAM9... :p

[jayman]

I would love to see Vincent Bugliosi give a talk on the JFK Assassination!

The interesting thing about the JFK Assassination is that I would rattle off evidence proving Oswald's guilt and even skeptics would say, "I didn't know he shot and killed a Dallas police officer." Or, "I didn't know he worked at the Texas School Book Depository Building."

The facts about the JFK Assassination are publicly available and the majority of this country doesn't know anything about them. Yet, they buy into a conspiracy about the assassination. The name of Bugliosi's book on the subject is Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Reclaiming History. It's a nice title, because this major piece of American/World History has been hijacked by paranoid conspiracy theorists. Pseudo-historians that don't give a damn about the disservice they are doing to the American people and the World at large by spreading their BS.

This the dedication in Reclaiming History:

To the historical record, knowing that nothing in the present can exist without the paternity of history, and hence, the latter is sacred, and should never be tampered with or defiled by untruths.


Also from the book, about conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK Assassination and the damage they cause:

Unless this fraud is finally exposed, the word believe will be forgotten by future generations and John F. Kennedy will have unquestionably become the victim of a conspiracy. Belief will have become unchallenged fact, and the faith of the American people in their institutions further eroded. If that is allowed to happen, Lee Harvey Oswald, a man who hated his country and everything for which it stands, will have triumphed even beyond his intent on that fateful day in November.

- Vincent Bugliosi, Reclaiming History, p.1011.


I hope to see Bugliosi speaking at a TAM one of these days on this important subject.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Gerald Posner could fill the same role. Also, he could talk about MLK.

[brainlesssteel]

It didn't occur to me to bring games! Next year, I'll come packin'.

I brought Zombie Fluxx this year, and Kochanski brought a few other games. There were a couple of outbreaks of late night games playing at the bar. I support more of this kind of thing happening at future TAMs.

[Terry]

This diabetic begs to differ.



It should be pointed out that what was in those urns was not coffee but a peculiar brown colored substance that many institutions (and my mother) like to call coffee.

I believe the technical term for this is "brown flavor dark hotel water beverage".

[HistoryGal]

Why is it no mentions Stephen Fry? He's a skeptic and really interesting to listen to.

[xinit]

I believe the technical term for this is "brown flavor dark hotel water beverage".

You sure you don't mean coffee-flavored beverine? Would you like it grey, with creamium, perhaps?

[xinit]

Why is it no mentions Stephen Fry? He's a skeptic and really interesting to listen to.

and insanely difficult to get if there are no new Apple products involved...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Why is it no mentions Stephen Fry? He's a skeptic and really interesting to listen to.

He'll be at TAM London II.

[CriticalThanking]

We are very much at the mercy of Vegas Hotels (tm) for several items. Outside catered food is not permitted at most locations. The hotel catering department will do whatever we ask... and your registration fee will go up accordingly. If I recall correctly, even a simple box sandwich lunch worked out to almost $15 per person. I shudder to think what the multiple hot entrees cost. Coffee(-like beverage) is cheap. I was happy that there was an oranje juice-like beverage and small cans of cranberry juice. Perhaps they were out by the time some of you young kids got up?

The other problem at least at South Point that someone mentioned was power outlets and wi-fi. This has been discussed before. There simply are no available power outlets on the walls in the large conference room. I can't speak to the smaller rooms. Again, IIRC, the hotel wanted something like $100 to run a single extension cord. Wi-fi is a money maker for the hotel, just like the food. Why give us cheap internet when they are getting $13 per night per room? I know others have mentioned the cost of internet in the conference room - "business" travellers can afford more, right? :(

CT

[CriticalThanking]

Wishes:


More time between talks for Q&A, though this still requires the emcee to enforce speaker compliance with time limits.
If we keep growing, conference tracks. Yeah, this means you miss some things, but there are certain topics that are of more interest than others.
A way for Jeff to sleep more. Seriously. He handles so much minutiae that he does not sleep much. As entertaining as watching his eyes spin may be, it can lead to mistakes and/or burnout. Maybe this cannot be avoided unless more paid JREF staff is hired. Volunteers can only do so much as someone has to be trained and/or held responsible for things.
A thermostat in the conference room that really works. I know cooling is difficult in very large rooms, especially when the attendee load changes suddenly and Vegas is hot by definition. But DANG it was cold in there sometimes. [/whine]


CT

[zooterkin]

We are very much at the mercy of Vegas Hotels (tm) for several items. Outside catered food is not permitted at most locations. The hotel catering department will do whatever we ask... and your registration fee will go up accordingly. If I recall correctly, even a simple box sandwich lunch worked out to almost $15 per person.

I think I heard that breakfast was just over $20 per head, the lunches between $30 and $40.

Wi-fi is a money maker for the hotel, just like the food. Why give us cheap internet when they are getting $13 per night per room? I know others have mentioned the cost of internet in the conference room - "business" travellers can afford more, right? :(


I ended up paying for the room wifi as it was the only way I could get online; I was disappointed to find that didn't give me access in the conference room too (the bar would have been nice, too, but there wasn't any wifi there at all); maybe they could give a concession like that, if not free wifi? If I come again, I'll be looking to get myself something like the 4G wifi or a SIM card with data.

ETA: I've just remembered that, walking around the Strip on Monday, a number of the casinos and hotels there did have free, open, wifi. I guess they make their money in other ways, maybe higher room prices, but it's not a given the wifi will be charged for.

[SheldonHelms]

Margaret Downey!! :)

[SkepticScott]

Gerald Posner could fill the same role. Also, he could talk about MLK.The first professional skeptic event I went to featured him talking about his books. I also met my first skeptic & atheist girlfriend there. :D

We are very much at the mercy of Vegas Hotels (tm) for several items.I shudder to think what the multiple hot entrees cost.Last year Linda remarked that most of the registration fee goes for meals. The only good thing about it is that the more attendees we have, the more food we need, and the more free room-nights we get for the speakers. Although with the hotel rates as low as they were, that's not much of a break.
A way for Jeff to sleep more. Seriously. He handles so much minutiae that he does not sleep much. As entertaining as watching his eyes spin may be, it can lead to mistakes and/or burnout. Maybe this cannot be avoided unless more paid JREF staff is hired. Volunteers can only do so much as someone has to be trained and/or held responsible for things.Seconded! Jeff needs to sleep before he starts making mistakes.

[Cleon]

Margaret Downey!! :)

She came to DragonCon last year. Her presentation was...Disappointing. It was essentially a commercial advertisement for her "secular ministerial" work.

[Loon]

Margaret Downey!! :)

She was at TAM 3. She was easily the least interesting speaker there. This was kind of sad, because she was also the speaker with the most practical information.

Another wish would be for several JREF staff to have some speaking time. I'd have loved to have heard Jeff and Hal talk a little about their involvement with the JREF and what goes into making TAM.

I'd be equally eager to hear from the people who try to fill their shoes next year.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

She came to DragonCon last year. Her presentation was...Disappointing. It was essentially a commercial advertisement for her "secular ministerial" work.

Is she the one who dressed up as a nurse at TAM3? 4?

[James Fox]

I’d like to see the main sessions reduced to afternoons only and have options in the mornings ranging from basic skeptical issues to more controversial or esoteric topics. I know that the Thursday workshops’ do some of this but I found the Science Based Medicine workshops annoyingly basic in their content and some of the speakers were tedious for me but appriciated by others. At times I felt like I was at a convention rather than a conference.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

My wish for several TAMs now: No more men in kilts. Yes, we realize you're a non-conformist. A rebel. You are an independent thinker. We get it. So you can stop now. You look like an idiot.

[bookitty]

My wish for several TAMs now: No more men in kilts. Yes, we realize you're a non-conformist. A rebel. You are an independent thinker. We get it. So you can stop now. You look like an idiot.

I beg to differ. A kilt (or a great T-shirt, stuffed flying pigasus, gorgeous surly-ramic, etc) gives me a reason to talk to a stranger. Opening a conversation isn't always easy but the attendees are worth it. A little ice-breaker is appreciated.

More wish list stuff: In another thread, someone mentioned that forum member David Wong is an associate editor at Cracked, an online humor magazine that often deals with skeptical subjects. A talk on humor as an intro to critical thinking would be a terrific follow-up to this year's "Don't be a dick." theme.

[Cleon]

Is she the one who dressed up as a nurse at TAM3? 4?

Sounds like her, yeah.

[xinit]

A talk on humor as an intro to critical thinking would be a terrific follow-up to this year's "Don't be a dick." theme.

I was thinking about something like that earlier today - something along the lines of effective use of satire, parody, etc in argument.

[Fitter]

I think I heard that breakfast was just over $20 per head, the lunches between $30 and $40.


<snip>

Catering costs at Southpoint here. (http://www.southpointmeetings.com/09-catering-menus.pdf)

They are not cheap.

[SkeptiKhatt]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space

That is GENIUS.

[The Man]

That is GENIUS.


Agreed

There could be artwork featuring or resembling Tor Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_Johnson) and of course a zombie (or zombie fighting) theme as well as topics in biology, astronomy and cosmology.

[SkeptiKhatt]

Also, to get back to the wish list for speakers & entertainers, has anyone ever tried to get Stephen Fry -- or for that matter Hugh Laurie for TAM? And what about Jonathan Coulton? Seems to me JoCo would be a great fit.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I beg to differ. A kilt (or a great T-shirt, stuffed flying pigasus, gorgeous surly-ramic, etc) gives me a reason to talk to a stranger. Opening a conversation isn't always easy but the attendees are worth it. A little ice-breaker is appreciated.

Maybe you could walk up to guys and thank them for not wearing a kilt. There's your ice breaker.

ETA: I guess I'm the opposite - paint yourself silver? Sorry, not interested. Someone else walked around with a stuffed animal on their shoulder. Same thing.

[bookitty]

Maybe you could walk up to guys and thank them for not wearing a kilt. There's your ice breaker.

ETA: I guess I'm the opposite - paint yourself silver? Sorry, not interested. Someone else walked around with a stuffed animal on their shoulder. Same thing.

:D That might be taken the wrong way but the ensuing "What's wrong with my legs?!" conversation might be worth it. I take it you didn't talk to the kid with stuffed animal. He was very blase' about it, in an almost Monty Python sort of way. Quite amusing.

To my knowledge, we did not meet up at TAM. I regret that. Next time, there will be more focus on those without props.

[SkepticScott]

They are not cheap.And don't forget the mandatory 19% gratuity, and 8.1% sales tax! So that $15 per person breakfast cost is really over $19. Multiplied by 1300 means that breakfast for one day cost nearly $25,000. Oh my, I wish I hadn't done the math.

[Horatius]

More wish list stuff: In another thread, someone mentioned that forum member David Wong is an associate editor at Cracked, an online humor magazine that often deals with skeptical subjects. A talk on humor as an intro to critical thinking would be a terrific follow-up to this year's "Don't be a dick." theme.

Also, to get back to the wish list for speakers & entertainers, has anyone ever tried to get Stephen Fry -- or for that matter Hugh Laurie for TAM? And what about Jonathan Coulton? Seems to me JoCo would be a great fit.



Now there's a good idea for a theme: Humour as a tool for promoting skeptical positions. We could invite the Mr. Deity crew and that British comedy team that did the homeopathic A&E sketch as well. Any other suggestions?

[bookitty]

Now there's a good idea for a theme: Humour as a tool for promoting skeptical positions. We could invite the Mr. Deity crew and that British comedy team that did the homeopathic A&E sketch as well. Any other suggestions?

Captain Disillusion, more Paul Provenza, Tim Minchin...

Hmmm...seems you could have an entire day dedicated to comedians. Maybe a show instead?

[Phlebas]

Is she the one who dressed up as a nurse at TAM3? 4?

Can't say for sure, but she was dressed as a nurse at the last Dragon*Con, so there's a good chance. But that would mean she's been giving the same unintentionally hilarious talk for years now...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Can't say for sure, but she was dressed as a nurse at the last Dragon*Con, so there's a good chance. But that would mean she's been giving the same unintentionally hilarious talk for years now...

Yeah, it was dreadful.

/sexist

But she was nice to look at!

/

[arthwollipot]

He'll be at TAM London II.Probably. I heard that he couldn't confirm.

[bumlet5]

If they go with TAM 9 from Outer Space, my speaker vote is for Neil Degrasse Tyson again or Michio Kaku.

Beyond that, I'd like to hear Eugenie Scott, Stephen Fry, and possibly Joss Whedon (not sure how well he fits in the skeptic bit, but I'd love to see him speak there anyway).

[SkepticScott]

Joss WhedonBrowncoats for Randi! Sylvia is a purplebelly! :D

[Homoskeptical]

Browncoats for Randi! Sylvia is a purplebelly! :D

Ruttin' Pyschics.

[nowoo]

I like the skeptical humor angle. Lots of possibilities, some of whom have appeared at past TAMs:

Tim Minchin
George Hrab
Jonathan Coulton
Roy Zimmerman (I had to miss his show to be at the SGU dinner)
Julia Sweeney
Jill Sobule
Stephen Fry
Hugh Laurie
Mitchell and Webb
Dara O'Briain
Cast of Mr. Deity
Scott Dikkers or others from The Onion
Randall Munroe
Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or people from their shows
Peter Sagal from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me

Any other suggestions along these lines?

[xinit]

Stephen Fry
Hugh Laurie
...
Mitchell and Webb
Dara O'Briain
Cast of Mr. Deity


Yes please...

The live SGU podcasts are great... but live Mr. Deity?

[Chris H]

ETA: I've just remembered that, walking around the Strip on Monday, a number of the casinos and hotels there did have free, open, wifi. I guess they make their money in other ways, maybe higher room prices, but it's not a given the wifi will be charged for.


Cost me $10 per day at the MGM Grand. No restriction on multiple devices (as far as I could tell), and it worked a little bit away from my room. Next year, I'm hoping to go down the iPad route and get one of my new US buddies to grab a data card for me prior to TAM.

[mindme]

I'd like a venue with more comfy seats for the main presentation hall. Sitting on banquet chairs for 2 hours is very uncomfy.

A change in hotel for variety sake might be cool.

[notsure]

WOW that was a good time. I should have said this to DJ Grothe when I was behind him in line at the Skepchick party beer line, but I have some requests that may or may not be feasible.

Mary Roach

Gary Numan

Anyone else?

Do they hear requests? And how far in advance do they plan the roster?

Free WiFi in the meeting area and several PCs or laptops for checking e-mails. 10 minutes limit for each person.

[Chris H]

I'd like to hear the date announced as soon as possible. From what I heard, I very much doubt we will be at South Point next year. I know there is a lot of organising/research for the JREF to do, but for the international contingent, there is a greater need for these kind of trips need to be budgeted/planned well in advance (for me, starting in about 2-3 months). Having a TAM in Australia won't stop me from attending TAM Vegas, but to do so I want to be ready to jump on the earlybird flight sales ASAP. It cost me a lot more than it should have this year, due to buying my flight at the wrong time of year. If I can't get the cheap flights, I won't be able to go. :(

[Dicon]

My flawless psychic powers tell me TAM 9 will be July 7-10, 2011.

Whether or not you choose to believe my flawless psychic powers is your problem.

[Chris H]

My flawless psychic powers tell me TAM 9 will be July 7-10, 2011.

Whether or not you choose to believe my flawless psychic powers is your problem.


Sounds about right, but (with no disrespect intended) not official, however.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

My flawless psychic powers tell me TAM 9 will be July 7-10, 2011.

Whether or not you choose to believe my flawless psychic powers is your problem.

I hope you're wrong. If it is that weekend, I will have a conflict. TAM will win, but I'd rather not face it.

[bumlet5]

I hope you're wrong. If it is that weekend, I will have a conflict. TAM will win, but I'd rather not face it.

Aww, c'mon Scrut! Life is so much more interesting with conflicts! :p

[mindme]

I like the skeptical humor angle. Lots of possibilities, some of whom have appeared at past TAMs:

Tim Minchin
George Hrab
Jonathan Coulton
Roy Zimmerman (I had to miss his show to be at the SGU dinner)
Julia Sweeney
Jill Sobule
Stephen Fry
Hugh Laurie
Mitchell and Webb
Dara O'Briain
Cast of Mr. Deity
Scott Dikkers or others from The Onion
Randall Munroe
Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, or people from their shows
Peter Sagal from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me

Any other suggestions along these lines?

I'd add in funny podcasters like Brian Thompson (amateur scientist podcast) and Monster Talk's Blake Smith (who gets to be funny when he does stuff with Brian).

But yeah I'd like to see a theme or sub theme or panel on humor and skepticism.

[Dicon]

I hope you're wrong. If it is that weekend, I will have a conflict. TAM will win, but I'd rather not face it.


There will be plenty other Sarah Palin rallies for you to attend.

[EclecticSkeptic]

I'd like a venue with more comfy seats for the main presentation hall. Sitting on banquet chairs for 2 hours is very uncomfy.

A change in hotel for variety sake might be cool.


Be careful what you wish for. At least we didn't have to do the 1000 meter, 3 flights of stairs dash for meals like at the last hotel.

I'd like to second Eugenie Scott and add Dr. Nancy Snyderman.

I like the TAM 9 from outer space suggestion, but the t-shirts could also play off the superstition of a cat's nine lives.

[Horatius]

but the t-shirts could also play off the superstition of a cat's nine lives.



Heh. We could steal a screen shot from the end of "The Cat Came Back"....


bETCusT5kNM



Mew.

[Chris H]

My flawless psychic powers tell me TAM 9 will be July 7-10, 2011.

Whether or not you choose to believe my flawless psychic powers is your problem.


According to Mr Jeff Wagg on Twitter earlier today;

JeffWagg @chrisfhiggins No dates that I know of.

[kevinfolta]

Mark Mothersbaugh

Lawrence Krause

WiFi in the lobby area

I've also done mock debates in classes where I take the role of creationist in order to show people how to discuss (ugh, debate) the topic in a public forum. Something like this would be fun too.

[Tressa]

Banachek
Steve Cuno
Richard Dawkins
Ann Druyan
Brian Dunning
Sam Harris
Christopher Hitchens
George Hrab (live Geologic podcast Sunday morning?)
John James III (judge from the 2005 Dover, PA Evolution vs ID case)
Lawrence Krauss
Ken Miller (saw a lecture on Ev/ID he gave in OH in 06 & it was great)
Joe Nickell
Penn & Teller
Phil Plait
Paul Provenza
Mary Roach
Ian Rowland
Eugenie Scott
Michael Shermer
Carol Tavris
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Richard Wiseman

(I mean all as lectures not "workshops/panels/Q&A" only)

[EclecticSkeptic]

I'd like to share an example with you of why I think Dr. Nancy Snyderman would be such a great speaker for TAM. She doesn't pull her punches when she speaks and is very passionate. www . today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38444985#38444985

Unfortunately, since I don't have 15 posts, you'll have to cut and paste into the address bar.

[CriticalThanking]

Linkified: www.today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38444985#38444985

[Seattle_JC]

Jan Harold Brunvand
Cecil Adams (but Ed Zotti might have to do)
Barbara and David Mikkelson
Kobe Boykins
Donald Johanson
David Attenborough
Ricky Gervais
Professor Brian Cox

[aofl]

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Ricky Gervais
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[[ One more boring person ]]
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Karl Pilkington

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[Seattle_JC]

Karl Pilkington

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I was so ofended by your post, then I saw your "Karl Pilkington" meta action. Well played sir.

[skeptic555]

- Stephen Fry would be, well, amazing.
- Fewer panels. I was actually really looking forward to those, and they were the most disappointing part for me. Much more focus from individuals.
- Perhaps consider the TEDtalk 20 minute thing. Perhaps a tight TED20+10QA.
- More Moon Hoaxer and Healer guy types... although I don't know how you'd manage that. But boy did they bring a little life to the party. You could almost hear gears grinding when it started to become obvious that something non-standard was developing in real time...
- I thought SouthPoint was fine. I'd think the Orleans would be equally adequate. If we can move TAM to immediately prior to or post MAGIC LIVE! then I would be in heaven (well, not *heaven* per se.... but you get the idea.)
- Next year I am committed to joining Skeptics in the Tub. A fine idea that I didn't hear about until after I had other evening plans.

[arthwollipot]

Karl Pilkington

AKarl Pilkington may be one of the greatest minds of our generation.

But probably not.

[Chris H]

- More Moon Hoaxer and Healer guy types... although I don't know how you'd manage that. But boy did they bring a little life to the party. You could almost hear gears grinding when it started to become obvious that something non-standard was developing in real time...



I was so annoyed at myself after that, for not standing up and heckling with the line "Don't be a dick". ;)

[bumlet5]

They Might Be Giants.

[kmortis]

They Might Be Giants.
I second this. If I could, I'd third it, but that'll have to be left for someone else to do

[Wowbagger]

I shall third it!

TMBG sez: "Science is Real!!!"

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[kosai]

Yes, perfect - all sorts of t-shirt possibilities!


Here's my entry... not done yet but I'd like to have this as a shirt.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2010-8/1359387/plan9Poster.gif.jpg

[SkepticScott]

Very nice, Kosai!

[xinit]

That needs to be the t-shirt, but with the real headliners listed in place of Bela Legosi...

[Wowbagger]

Spiffy! I smell the growth of an alt-TAM-T-shirt industry.

(Sent from my Droid Incredible, using Tapatalk. Therefore, more typos may exist in this post than usual.)

[Fitter]

That needs to be the t-shirt, but with the real headliners listed in place of Bela Legosi...

Why can't Bela be a headliner? Channeled by John Edward perhaps.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Spiffy! I smell the growth of an alt-TAM-T-shirt industry.

(Sent from my Droid Incredible, using Tapatalk. Therefore, more typos may exist in this post than usual.)

You may want to turn off the "(Sent from my Droid Incredible, using Tapatalk. Therefore, more typos may exist in this post than usual.)" signature. It screams "dork".

[xinit]

You may want to turn off the "(Sent from my Droid Incredible, using Tapatalk. Therefore, more typos may exist in this post than usual.)" signature. It screams "dork".

I'm going to bet that Wowbagger isn't concerned with that appearance :D

[Wowbagger]

You may want to turn off the "(Sent from my Droid Incredible, using Tapatalk. Therefore, more typos may exist in this post than usual.)" signature. It screams "dork".
Maybe I like screaming such things. Ever think of that?!

I'm going to bet that Wowbagger isn't concerned with that appearance :DLooks like you won the bet.


(I would have ended this post with the "Sent from my Droid Incredible..." line, but this wasn't sent from there. I used a normal PC for this post. I suppose I could have faked it, but I don't like doing anything fake. Besides, if anyone is tracking the IP addresses of posts, they will find out I was lying. But, rest assured: Any post that I DO send from my Droid Incredible will have that signature on it. Though, it is also possible that I might change or reword it in the future, if I ever feel like it. Therefore there should, theoretically, be fewer typos in this post, than what would be found from a mobile one.)

[Wowbagger]

Back on topic:

I am thinking that the duo of Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett of MST3K/Rifftrax might make good guests at TAM.

[aofl]

Back on topic:

I am thinking that the duo of Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett of MST3K/Rifftrax might make good guests at TAM.
If we go with the TAM 9 From Outer Space theme then I think inviting them is almost mandatory.

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[AdMan]

Back on topic:

I am thinking that the duo of Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett of MST3K/Rifftrax might make good guests at TAM.

I agree--that would be VERY cool.

[Wowbagger]

I agree--that would be VERY cool.

I would also like to see Joel Hogson join them, but only because I've been trying to meet Joel Hogson.

[skepticality]

Not a bad idea. I spent some time with them at Dragon*Con, and they would definitely fit in!

Back on topic:

I am thinking that the duo of Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett of MST3K/Rifftrax might make good guests at TAM.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Back on topic:

I am thinking that the duo of Kevin Murphy and Bill Corbett of MST3K/Rifftrax might make good guests at TAM.

MST3K ended 11 years ago. It's time to let it go.

[Phlebas]

MST3K ended 11 years ago. It's time to let it go.

Houdini died 84 years ago, but we're still dealing with him.

Besides, the MST3K guys have a new gig. I doubt they'd come to TAM, though. That gives us more time for Margaret Downey and Michael Shermer!

[Davidlpf]

If they go with the tam 9 from outer space maybe a panel on looking for life in outer space with: Phil Plait, Seth Shostak, Neil Tyson and maybe moderated by Wil Wheaton.

[RSLancastr]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space

I had the same idea, and even some graphic ideas to go with it!

And here I thought I was so original! :(

[RSLancastr]

My TAM9 wish: Me giving a presentation on how Sylvia Browne was stopped! :D

[Wowbagger]

MST3K ended 11 years ago. It's time to let it go. Never!!! I will not stop, I will not rest for an instant, until I get to have my photo taken with some of the MST3K players!!! (Especially Joel Hogson!!)

That gives us more time for Margaret DowneyOh gosh, please no! Anything but that!!!

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The pain...

and Michael Shermer!Well, him, at least I can handle.

Maybe they should bring James McGaha back, for a very late night lecture, to help people who need sleep, to fall asleep better.

If they go with the tam 9 from outer space maybe a panel on looking for life in outer space with: Phil Plait, Seth Shostak, Neil Tyson and maybe moderated by Wil Wheaton.If they go with TAM 9 from Outer Space, maybe we can start it off with a Star Party!! Hey, Maria and Christian: You wanna organize it?!

[skepticality]

Wow,

You didn't take the moment to get a picture with any of them when they were all in our Skeptrack room at Dragon*Con?

[DocM]

You didn't take the moment to get a picture with any of them when they were all in our Skeptrack room at Dragon*Con?

Damn, Derek, you're cruel...

[Wowbagger]

Wow,

You didn't take the moment to get a picture with any of them when they were all in our Skeptrack room at Dragon*Con?I missed that event. I wasn't notified they were going to be there. :( :mad:

I think I was watching the Brobdingnagian Bards reunite, at the time, which I thought was a highlight of the con. Though, I would have skipped it, in an instant, if I knew they were going to be at that podcast thingy.

Besides, Joel Hogson wasn't there, so it's not that huge a deal that I missed them. If Joel was there, I would have been bashing my head against the walls, for days.

[Davidlpf]

If they go with TAM 9 from Outer Space, maybe we can start it off with a Star Party!! Hey, Maria and Christian: You wanna organize it?!
You would have to go way outside Vegas to see any stars in the sky.

[Davidlpf]

Another thing I would like to add bring back web streaming.

[Horatius]

You would have to go way outside Vegas to see any stars in the sky.



Not really. At the Skepchick party for TAM 7, you could see stars when in the backyard.

[Davidlpf]

Not really. At the Skepchick party for TAM 7, you could see stars when in the backyard.
I was just going off the impressions of a person who has never been there but the further you are from the night lights the better.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Not really. At the Skepchick party for TAM 7, you could see stars when in the backyard.

Oh, stop, you're embarrassing me. I was just trying to blend in with the common folk.

[Davidlpf]

Oh, stop, you're embarrassing me. I was just trying to blend in with the common folk.

Always Mr humble.

[Phlebas]

I missed that event. I wasn't notified they were going to be there. :( :mad:


We looked EVERYWHERE for you to notify you, but couldn't find you. They had to settle for mentioning it multiple times on stage at Dragon*Con and in three separate posts on Skepchick :(

[Bythemark]

Lawrence Krauss and PZ Myers...maybe they're not professional general skeptics, but Krauss can speak well, and PZ hardly does any public speaking, and I'd like to see him.

Then again, these guys might have gone to earlier ones, but I don't know, def. not 7 or 8 at least :P.

+1 for Roach as well. And Emily Rosa would be nice, even though she apparently had to cancel for 7 :(. I know she only did the one things, but it'd be cool anyway because she did it when she was a kid.

[arthwollipot]

Another thing I would like to add bring back web streaming.The problem with webstreaming is one of copyright. At TAM7, they played (among other things) excerpts from The Big Bang Theory. These went out free and unedited over the internet, which was a no-no. So if webstreaming is going to occur, they're going to have to be VERY careful about what gets streamed. The JREF does not need an intellectual property problem.

[TomP]

From what I was told, another reason for why there was no webstreaming this year is that it cuts into the sales of DVDs. If that's true, it is unlikely to change for TAM 9.

What I want to see at TAM 9: Me :) I just wish the dates were announced, plane tickets from Norway are cheap now, but they will get much more expensive.

[Horatius]

... and PZ hardly does any public speaking, and I'd like to see him.




I'm pretty sure he was at TAM 6.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm pretty sure he was at TAM 6.

And he'll be at Skepticon III

[Dicon]

I'm pretty sure he was at TAM 6.


His presentation was positively batty.

[Bythemark]

oh, I had no idea, thanks. Hooray, my disclaimer saved face lol.

[SkepticScott]

TAM 8 attendee James Sellers coined the perfect name for TAM9:

TAM 9 From Outer Space

And the JREF used it!

[Chris H]

And the JREF used it!


I knew I'd seen that somewhere already!!

[kmortis]

Scott,
Does that mean you're getting a cut?

[SkepticScott]

Does that mean you're getting a cut?Nope. And with the different type of folders we used last year, I didn't even get a paper cut. :p

[Wowbagger]

And the JREF used it!
Okay, so 9 out of 10 for utilizing a clever pun...

...But, minus several million for the association with a terrible movie, yeah?!

[SkepticScott]

...But, minus several million for the association with a terrible movie, yeah?!But plus several million for associating with a movie that's so bad that it'll live forever! :)

[Wowbagger]

But plus several million for associating with a movie that's so bad that it'll live forever! :)
So, TAM is a celebration of bad things that will not go away, is that it?

Okay, I honestly don't think the words "TAM9 from Outer Space" are an issue. It is exactly the sort of pun I would probably invent myself (except in this case, I didn't).

But, if I were, hypothetically speaking, to strongly object to the name, you would have to come up with a better argument than that, to convince me, otherwise.

If I were, hypothetically speaking, to strongly object to the name, I would also point out that the movie it references contained a lot of pseudo-scientific junk: Including resurrection of the dead. But, since I don't, I won't.

[SkepticScott]

you would have to come up with a better argument than that, to convince me, otherwise.I'd have to come up with a better argument to convince me first!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So, TAM is a celebration of bad things that will not go away, is that it?

Yes. We raise a toast to you every year.

[AdMan]

With regards to "TAM9 From Outer Space," while the associated movie is so bad it's good (IMO), no one has mentioned that it also probably inspired the "special space science and skepticism focus" that is one of the themes this year.

As an astronomy fan, that makes me happy. :)

[Rrose Selavy]

So will they replace Randi on video link , halfway through (like Bela Lugosi) with old film of him from past TAMS?

And will anyone notice the difference?

[SkepticScott]

No, Rrose. Randi will be broadcasting from the Satellite of Love though. :)

[AdMan]

No, Rrose. Randi will be broadcasting from the Satellite of Love though. :)


That's who's missing from the speakers list! The MST3K guys need to be there.

[ricklesgibson]

So will they replace Randi on video link , halfway through (like Bela Lugosi) with old film of him from past TAMS?

And will anyone notice the difference?


No, we'll get a big guy like me to put on eyebrows & a cape & then film b-roll to use.

[Dicon]

That's who's missing from the speakers list! The MST3K guys need to be there.


I would pay so much money to see the MST3K guys... at a Sylvia Browne show.

[SkepticScott]

I would pay so much money to see the MST3K guys... at a Sylvia Browne show.I'd want to sit in the back to get the proper perspective. I wouldn't even need a chair since I'd be ROTFLMAO