Planned Education?

[Fox]

Well I don't know how the other parts of the world conduct their education of the masses but here in the United States particularly it is done so... extremely crappy... the only way one can possibly hope to learn anything without having to meticulously study the book over and over again. Unless you had a good teacher who did their job.

The thing is people, that if the greatest teachers in our country were to get together and form a "bible" of what should be learned grade 1-12. While it's true that students can learn on their own the process is greatly improved upon if they have a teacher to help them learn, and I'm afraid that the majority of the teachers in my school just didn't cut the cake on that one.

The way our teachers went about 'teaching' their subject was not monitored (unless the principle came to 'monitor' the class) but those were far and few. I had a lot of half ass teachers when I was in high school, I do not feel anyone should ever have to suffer the chains of ignorance just because our educational system failed them :(

[bluesjnr]

Your OP does not make sense and is filled with grammatical and punctuation errors. Sentences seem incomplete. Having said that it does, kind of, make your point.

[Hallo Alfie]

I think I get the general thrust from that convoluted mess ...

Bad system.... poor teaching... I'm stuffed.

[Epok]

Why stop at blaming the teachers and the school system? Its obvious that the Illuminati is secretly pulling the strings and keeping America's youth, our youth, in the "dark". Illuminati means dark, right? And don't listen to their propaganda that tries to tell us that perseverance and hard work is the key to success. Tsk! How dare they spew such nonsense?! Its clear to me that we must shut down all of the schools to keep "Them" from infecting our youth with their cake-cutting and chaining of ignorance. Revolt! You ignorant masses, revolt!

[Alt+F4]

Don't the teacher bashing threads around here usually start after Labor Day?

[Cavemonster]

I do not feel anyone should ever have to suffer the chains of ignorance just because our educational system failed them :(

Well, you don't.
Some of the smartest and most learned folks I know were home schooled with an emphasis on self directed learning. You're perfectly free to study on your own time, to get books out of the library, to sign up for online or evening courses and to follow wikipedia to it's credible sources.

[Fox]

I think I get the general thrust from that convoluted mess ...

Bad system.... poor teaching... I'm stuffed.


Yeah sorry about that... I was pretty tired when I made this thread. :o

[Fox]

Well, you don't.
Some of the smartest and most learned folks I know were home schooled with an emphasis on self directed learning. You're perfectly free to study on your own time, to get books out of the library, to sign up for online or evening courses and to follow wikipedia to it's credible sources.

I know a large part of it lies on the hands of the student to, but there's no reason that a teacher should have 8 out of 12 of her students failing when I know teachers who could have taught 50 kids at once and still have 95% of them get decent grades, or at least passing.

[Verde]

Don't the teacher bashing threads around here usually start after Labor Day?

The Long, long September..

V.

Usenet, RIP

[AdmiralBuckles]

I know a large part of it lies on the hands of the student to, but there's no reason that a teacher should have 8 out of 12 of her students failing when I know teachers who could have taught 50 kids at once and still have 95% of them get decent grades, or at least passing.


Really? I take it where you work everybody is above average and meets all thier quotas 95% of the time and every project leader has 95% job completion by 11 out of 12 people under them. I always find it amazing that people expect more out of teachers than they do themselves.

[drkitten]

I know a large part of it lies on the hands of the student to, but there's no reason that a teacher should have 8 out of 12 of her students failing when I know teachers who could have taught 50 kids at once and still have 95% of them get decent grades, or at least passing.

And there speaks someone else who has no idea of what teaching is like.

Don't get me wrong; I think a national curriculum would be a very good thing for US education generally, but I think it's about third order of importance; more important than a national curriculum would be nationalized funding so that communities could get the resources they need, and more important than that would be a decent administration to get rid of the local or state-level trolls who run most school boards.

But the fundamental and unsolvable problem is that Americans are and have always been anti-intellectual and suspicious of education.... and that's something that no teacher can fix or even effectively mitigate.

[Dancing David]

Well I don't know how the other parts of the world conduct their education of the masses but here in the United States particularly it is done so... extremely crappy... the only way one can possibly hope to learn anything without having to meticulously study the book over and over again. Unless you had a good teacher who did their job.

So what grade levels, where and when.

The education system is held accountable for all the factots that happen outside of school, but they impact the quality of education.

So you seem a little vague and not really specific here.


The thing is people, that if the greatest teachers in our country were to get together and form a "bible" of what should be learned grade 1-12. While it's true that students can learn on their own the process is greatly improved upon if they have a teacher to help them learn, and I'm afraid that the majority of the teachers in my school just didn't cut the cake on that one.

In what specific ways and why?


The way our teachers went about 'teaching' their subject was not monitored (unless the principle came to 'monitor' the class) but those were far and few. I had a lot of half ass teachers when I was in high school, I do not feel anyone should ever have to suffer the chains of ignorance just because our educational system failed them :(

And where were you and what was the system your are complaining about?

More specifics would be nice.

[Dancing David]

I know a large part of it lies on the hands of the student to, but there's no reason that a teacher should have 8 out of 12 of her students failing when I know teachers who could have taught 50 kids at once and still have 95% of them get decent grades, or at least passing.

And what was the history and ability of those students, what is the context of their lives?

"could have taught 50 kids at once and still have 95% of them get decent grades, or at least passing", could have or did?

[Dancing David]

Really? I take it where you work everybody is above average and meets all thier quotas 95% of the time and every project leader has 95% job completion by 11 out of 12 people under them. I always find it amazing that people expect more out of teachers than they do themselves.

welcome aboad AdmiralBuckles, just like NCLB expects 77% of students to do better than average.

[Dancing David]

And there speaks someone else who has no idea of what teaching is like.

Don't get me wrong; I think a national curriculum would be a very good thing for US education generally, but I think it's about third order of importance; more important than a national curriculum would be nationalized funding so that communities could get the resources they need, and more important than that would be a decent administration to get rid of the local or state-level trolls who run most school boards.

But the fundamental and unsolvable problem is that Americans are and have always been anti-intellectual and suspicious of education.... and that's something that no teacher can fix or even effectively mitigate.


More, encore, encore, Bravo!

[Manopolus]

High school is for socialization, not learning. Anyone that's taken a survey course in Sociology knows that. :D

[excaza]

How can you say this:
While it's true that students can learn on their own the process is greatly improved upon if they have a teacher to help them learn

And then this:
I know a large part of it lies on the hands of the student to, but there's no reason that a teacher should have 8 out of 12 of her students failing when I know teachers who could have taught 50 kids at once and still have 95% of them get decent grades, or at least passing.


Those are completely contradictory, and the second one is complete BS. There's no way in hell one teacher can give a class of 50 students the individual help they need to understand the material. We don't need people "at least passing," we need them learning.