AE911Truth & NYCCAN NY TV Ad Campaign

[Orphia Nay]

For nearly nine years, the American people and the world have been kept in the dark about an event of monumental significance: the freefall collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper that was the third building to fall on September 11, 2001, even though it was not struck by a plane and suffered only minimal fire damage. Only a small minority of the public has seen footage of this collapse. But the vast majority of those who have seen the footage agree that the building was brought down intentionally, and they therefore support a new investigation of 9/11.

In 1975, nearly 12 years after JFK’s assassination, the public release of the Zapruder film created widespread doubt of the official account and eventually led to the creation of the House Select Committee on Assassinations. The Committee found that the Warren Commission investigation had been seriously flawed, and that there had indeed been a second gunman. The lesson we must take from this is that a few seconds of video footage can help reshape the way a country views the event of its generation.

There is a reason why the mainstream news media won’t discuss or air footage of the collapse of Building 7 – because that footage is the “Zapruder film of 9/11.” As the first step in a worldwide effort to spread awareness of the collapse of Building 7 to every corner of the globe, we have come together to cosponsor the “BuildingWhat?” Television Advertising Campaign in New York City. Our goal is to enlighten over 1 million New Yorkers with footage of Building 7’s freefall collapse. The plan is to blanket the New York City television market with our ad during the week of September 20, 2010.

We are seeking to raise $500,000 between August 11 and September 11, 2010 to cover the costs of this effort. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is now a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization, and so every dollar that is donated to this campaign will be fully tax-deductible!

[...]

Thank you for caring.

Very truly yours,

Manny Badillo, Nephew of Thomas Joseph Sgroi

Richard Gage, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

David Ray Griffin, Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth

Niels Harrit, Coauthor of the WTC Nanothermite Study

Karen Johnson, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth

Erik Lawyer, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth

Bob McIlvaine, Father of Bobby McIlvaine

JF Ranger, World for 9/11 Truth

Kevin Ryan, Coeditor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies

Ted Tilton Jr. and Justin Keogh, 911Blogger.com

William Veale, Lawyers for 9/11 Truth

Ted Walter, NYC CAN

The fundraising drive will run from August 11th until September 11th.

[...]

The website will also be unveiled on Friday, August 27! Stay tuned!

Yep, smoothly coordinated as usual. The website is "under construction".

http://buildingwhat.org/

Clicking the "Donate" button takes you to AE911Truth.


Hmmm, now how can NYCCAN'T stuff things up this time? :)

Full text of the NYCCAN email here:
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-11/“buildingwhat”-television-advertising-campaign-buildingwhatorg-nyccanorg

[Thunder]

i expect them to raise less then $15,000.

[dudalb]

Yep, smoothly coordinated as usual. The website is "under construction".

http://buildingwhat.org/

Clicking the "Donate" button takes you to AE911Truth.


Hmmm, now how can NYCCAN'T stuff things up this time? :)

Full text of the NYCCAN email here:
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-11/“buildingwhat”-television-advertising-campaign-buildingwhatorg-nyccanorg

The Usual Gang Of Idiots.

[Mr.Herbert]

Clicking the "Donate" button takes you to AE911Truth.


Gage probably gets a cut of whatever they make.

Box Boy is also looking to raise another 10K for his debate and press conference in DC.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

[AJM8125]

Manny Badillo, Nephew of Thomas Joseph Sgroi

Richard Gage, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

David Ray Griffin, Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth

Niels Harrit, Coauthor of the WTC Nanothermite Study

Karen Johnson, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth

Erik Lawyer, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth

Bob McIlvaine, Father of Bobby McIlvaine

JF Ranger, World for 9/11 Truth

Kevin Ryan, Coeditor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies

Ted Tilton Jr. and Justin Keogh, 911Blogger.com

William Veale, Lawyers for 9/11 Truth

Ted Walter, NYC CAN

After embezzling deducting their vacation bills operating costs, they might have enough left over to buy time at a 3rd rate independent radio station or the NYC public access channel. It's nice of them to identify themselves though, it'll come in handy when tar and feather time comes. I urge all New Yorkers reading this to print and save the above list.

[Horatius]

Hmmm, now how can NYCCAN'T stuff things up this time? :)




Well, you already quoted it!


The fundraising drive will run from August 11th until September 11th.

[...]

The website will also be unveiled on Friday, August 27! Stay tuned!


They plan a month-long fund-raising campaign, but their website won't be ready until more than two weeks of that month have already passed?

Nice to see they're as well-organized as ever.

[Thunder]

please include a link for folks to donate money.

I wish to contribute $1 to their noble crusade for Truth.

:)

[Orphia Nay]

World 9/11 Truth have a donation page on their site:
http://world911truth.org/most-important-911-truth-campaign-ever/
This seems odd because it looks like they're the only fundraisers, omitting A&E's page.
So far $160 has been raised.

Meanwhile, A&E don't have any links to their fundraising page on their home page, and the fundraising page doesn't have a tally of donations.

Good effort, guys. :oldroll:

[Orphia Nay]

please include a link for folks to donate money.

I wish to contribute $1 to their noble crusade for Truth.

:)

A fine gesture, Thunder. :D Here:

http://buildingwhat.org/

or

http://world911truth.org/most-important-911-truth-campaign-ever/

:con2:

[angrysoba]

I suppose this will tie-in with the talk that Gage will do on September 11th in New York.

Just curious, what do you think most people there will think of his campaign?

Does he still allow in the "first 100 firefighters" for free?

[DaveThomasNMSR]

I suppose this will tie-in with the talk that Gage will do on September 11th in New York.

Just curious, what do you think most people there will think of his campaign?

Does he still allow in the "first 100 firefighters" for free?

I see Gage is still begging for $$ for the "Debate" at the national press club on Sept. 9th. Gage was so sweet and positive with me till he finally understood that when I said "Go ahead with your media circus, just don't expect us to show up to be the clowns", we were refusing his rigged debate in Washington. Nary a peep from Gage since then, and I expect I won't hear from him till the Aug. 21st Coast-to-Coast AM debate.

I do wonder who's supposed to be in the "debate" Gage is still begging for, though.

Dave

[Orphia Nay]

Gage probably gets a cut of whatever they make.


According to the email, he's taking 5%.

IF they make their $500,000, that's $25,000. :eek:

[BigAl]

I suppose this will tie-in with the talk that Gage will do on September 11th in New York.

Just curious, what do you think most people there will think of his campaign?

Does he still allow in the "first 100 firefighters" for free?

Got a link to the page that makes that offer?

[thecritta]

i expect them to raise less then $15,000.

Good luck to them i hope they can do it this time.

[Horatius]

According to the email, he's taking 5%.

IF they make their $500,000, that's $25,000. :eek:



And if they don't make the $500,000, they won't be able to buy the airtime...so, where does it go then?

[angrysoba]

Got a link to the page that makes that offer?

Well, I found what I was thinking of and it looks like it applies only to two events:

FREE ADMISSION FOR FIREFIGHTERS
First 50 firefighters at May 7 event will get in for free, ALL firefighters at May 8 event will get in for free

http://www.ae911truth.org/news/41-articles/280-two-speakers-two-nights-two-bay-area-cities.html

Apparently thirteen firefighters actually turned up for the first and six for the second although it doesn't mention if they were actually with Firefighters for Truth or not.

http://www2.ae911truth.org/speakings.php#speakpast

[BigAl]

Well, I found what I was thinking of and it looks like it applies only to two events:



http://www.ae911truth.org/news/41-articles/280-two-speakers-two-nights-two-bay-area-cities.html

Apparently thirteen firefighters actually turned up for the first and six for the second although it doesn't mention if they were actually with Firefighters for Truth or not.

http://www2.ae911truth.org/speakings.php#speakpast

There are lots more firemen in NYC.

In NYC, retired firemen should be allowed. In the past 9 years there has been lots of turn-over.

[angrysoba]

There are lots more firemen in NYC.

In NYC, retired firemen should be allowed. In the past 9 years there has been lots of turn-over.

I'm sure they have better things to do than go and listen to some crank talking gibberish, but I do wonder what they would make of Gage's insistence that there were only a few small fires flickering from a window on the north side. Would they be able to explain to him that he is very, very wrong about his assessment of the damage to Building Number Seven?

[The Almond]

What, precisely, do they think $500k will get them? That's worth about 1 30 second spot on Gray's Anatomy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_advertisement)

News Flash Truthers: Advertising is expensive, and you're going to need a lot more than 1 spot to get interest. Real advertising campaigns, political or otherwise, cost tens of millions of dollars.

[Orphia Nay]

And if they don't make the $500,000, they won't be able to buy the airtime...so, where does it go then?

Quite.


What, precisely, do they think $500k will get them? That's worth about 1 30 second spot on Gray's Anatomy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_advertisement)

News Flash Truthers: Advertising is expensive, and you're going to need a lot more than 1 spot to get interest. Real advertising campaigns, political or otherwise, cost tens of millions of dollars.

I think I read that they're looking at buying 30-second slots at $750 each.

Probably screened from a channel in some truther's Mum's basement.

[Thunder]

how much does a 30 second commercial on CBS during a weekday at 6 pm cost?

[jhunter1163]

5% of $425 = $21.25

Gage isn't getting rich off of this one.

[The Almond]

how much does a 30 second commercial on CBS during a weekday at 6 pm cost?

It depends a lot on the show and the viewership. There's a rather complicated formula that the networks use to determine charges for advertising, but roughly speaking, during a moderately popular primetime show, a 30 second spot would cost about $150,000 ~ $500,000. It's worthwhile remembering that market saturation, like that seen with the Obama campaign, costs hundreds of millions of dollars. Saturation of a local market costs millions, and any political advertiser will tell you that you need more than 1 spot to get your message across.

[Miragememories]

5% of $425 = $21.25

Gage isn't getting rich off of this one.
Justice for 3,000+ murdered people is not about the money.

Maybe it is for you though?

MM

[AJM8125]

Justice for 3,000+ murdered people is not about the money.

Maybe it is for you though?

MM

Damn right, it has nothing to with the American people, were all dumb as rocks and easily led and besides the NWO has gotten to us. Educating the people of Vienna, London, Madrid, the staff of posh hotels and four star restaurants - THOSE are the real hotbeds of truth activity. Don't forget to send your check this month MM, or have you signed up for convenient auto-pay? No matter, just make sure you cough it up, mmk? Can't get to the French Riviera on unemployment benefits.

[Miragememories]

Damn right, it has nothing to with the American people, were all dumb as rocks and easily led and besides the NWO has gotten to us. Educating the people of Vienna, London, Madrid, the staff of posh hotels and four star restaurants - THOSE are the real hotbeds of truth activity. Don't forget to send your check this month MM, or have you signed up for convenient auto-pay? No matter, just make sure you cough it up, mmk? Can't get to the French Riviera on unemployment benefits.
I'm not familiar with these places.

Apparently you are though?

Some of us have to work for a living.

MM

[AJM8125]

I'm not familiar with these places.

Apparently you are though?

Some of us have to work for a living.

MM

You're not familiar with Europe? Not surprising. Your not being familiar with them is exactly what he wants you to do when he travels there - on your dime.

[Miragememories]

You're not familiar with Europe? Not surprising. Your not being familiar with them is exactly what he wants you to do when he travels there - on your dime.
Not my dime bubba.

No money to visit Europe but I have a great deal of knowledge about
history.

Time you cracked open a few books.

MM

[AJM8125]

I'm not familiar with these places.

Not my dime bubba.

No money to visit Europe but I have a great deal of knowledge about
history.

Time you cracked open a few books.

MM

Contradict yourself much?

[jhunter1163]

Gage isn't interested in justice. He's interested in traveling to exotic places and paying as little as possible for it. He's done quite a bit of globetrotting on the Truthers' dime. If I was a Truther here in the good old USA, you know, where the WTC actually was, I would be asking why he wasn't trying to "educate" people here in the States and lobbying for that new investigation, rather than preaching to the choir in Japan and Australia and wherever else he's been.

[angrysoba]

1,631 dollars!

This is beyond Juggernaut strength!

[carlitos]

It depends a lot on the show and the viewership. There's a rather complicated formula that the networks use to determine charges for advertising, but roughly speaking, during a moderately popular primetime show, a 30 second spot would cost about $150,000 ~ $500,000. It's worthwhile remembering that market saturation, like that seen with the Obama campaign, costs hundreds of millions of dollars. Saturation of a local market costs millions, and any political advertiser will tell you that you need more than 1 spot to get your message across.

It really depends on targeting; they don't have to do national media. They could buy local inserts on shows that would be sympathetic to their cause. For example, I'd bet that you could get a :30 spot on Keith Olbermann in a mid-sized city for a few hundred dollars. And production costs are as cheap as ever.

The problem, of course, is that the real motive is for the signers of the email to get money.

ETA - Given their general lack of organization, it would be interesting to see if they could actually make an ad, buy the media, pay the bill, give the correct traffic instructions to the appropriate station(s), and actually deliver the media on time in the correct form. That would amaze me.

[The Almond]

It really depends on targeting; they don't have to do national media. They could buy local inserts on shows that would be sympathetic to their cause. For example, I'd bet that you could get a :30 spot on Keith Olbermann in a mid-sized city for a few hundred dollars. And production costs are as cheap as ever.

The problem, of course, is that the real motive is for the signers of the email to get money.

ETA - Given their general lack of organization, it would be interesting to see if they could actually make an ad, buy the media, pay the bill, give the correct traffic instructions to the appropriate station(s), and actually deliver the media on time in the correct form. That would amaze me.

To me, it seems like buying into the 2 minutes of local ad time slot on a cable news show would be a complete waste of time. Couldn't $500k be better spent on a local truther rally? I mean, for $50k, you could have free food, a community dance hall, a live band, etc. Why not just throw 10 of those in the market of interest?

Of course, you're right, getting the money together is only the first step in a not-impossible, but challenging process.

[Thunder]

Justice for 3,000+ murdered people is not about the money.

Maybe it is for you though?

MM

since when did Truthers ever care about justice?

[TexasJack]

I mean, for $50k, you could have free food, a community dance hall, a live band, etc. Why not just throw 10 of those in the market of interest?

That's a lot of food for 100 truthers. :D

[The Almond]

That's a lot of food for 100 truthers. :D

You know how truthers love their caviar, lobster and panda sandwiches.

[pgimeno]

Justice for 3,000+ murdered people is not about the money.

What is it about then? Political campaigns?

I thought that justice was about finding the truth, and that the best way to approach the truth was by doing real science. Something that all these propaganda guys have never done.

since when did Truthers ever care about justice?

Right on the spot.

[Thunder]

yes, the best way to get justice for 9-11, is to raise $500,000 for a few commercials for the "Building Huh??" campaign.

:)

[Orphia Nay]

how much does a 30 second commercial on CBS during a weekday at 6 pm cost?

My guess is it would be way out of their league.

This is from 06-07, and shows prices for ads 7pm onwards (prime time).

http://adage.com/images/random/tvchart06.pdf

[Orphia Nay]

1,631 dollars!

This is beyond Juggernauought strength!

FTFY. :)

I contacted World 911Truth yesterday to ask if that was a combined total. They said it's not, and a combined total (with AE911T) will be available "soon", coordinated by NYCCAN...

I notice AE911Truth's donation page has only been accessed 30 times since yesterday.

[DGM]

Does anyone know when and how often a 501(c)(3) organization is required to make public their records? I believe it's once a year after April 15 but I'm not sure.

[triforcharity]

Does anyone know when and how often a 501(c)(3) organization is required to make public their records? I believe it's once a year after April 15 but I'm not sure.

Yes, it is usually available sometime that year. Sometimes it can take till towards the end of the year to get all the information.

And here is the cool thing. We will finally know how much AE911T "pays" Gage to lie. They must provide a copy of their Form 990 upon request, and without charge. It lists all of the donations and expendatures in detail.

[DGM]

Yes, it is usually available sometime that year. Sometimes it can take till towards the end of the year to get all the information.

And here is the cool thing. We will finally know how much AE911T "pays" Gage to lie. They must provide a copy of their Form 990 upon request, and without charge. It lists all of the donations and expendatures in detail.
I'll be curious to see if "truthers" ever question the "cost per result" equation?

I'm guessing Gage's "cost per result" is astronomical (considering he's really accomplished nothing).


:rolleyes:

[Orphia Nay]

We now have a combined total:

http://world911truth.org/most-important-911-truth-campaign-ever/

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/orphia/Twoof/BuildingWhatAug202010.jpg

:D

[dafydd]

Not my dime bubba.

No money to visit Europe but I have a great deal of knowledge about
history.

Time you cracked open a few books.

MM

Any chance of you demonstrating this knowledge any time soon? You don't know much about the history of 9/11.

[Orphia Nay]

The latest from NYCCAN'T:

"Thank you for helping us meet our target for the first week of the “BuildingWhat?” fundraising drive! We have $10,547 in the bank to air TV ads showing footage of Building 7 all over New York City. After expenses that’s enough to reach 100,000 people with 10 spots. Who wants to see enough raised for 500 spots? Every $750 we raise is enough for another spot to reach another 10,000 people, so please contribute generously and ask your friends to contribute too! Go to BuildingWhat.org.

Another big plus is that a generous individual has pledged to match 5% of all contributions made – meaning the more you contribute the more he will contribute!"

$3,047 worth of expenses for 10 spots??? 30% goes to expenses???

[Sam.I.Am]

$3,047 worth of expenses for 10 spots??? 30% goes to expenses???

Quality tinfoil ain't cheap the way it used to be.

[carlitos]

$750 per spot to reach 10,000 people = $7.50 CPM. This is so-so in terms of media, and indeed a realistic figure. Broadcast TV is usually ~$10 CPM, cable maybe $5 or $6, radio from $4 - 5, and outdoor (billboards) between $2 and 3. Magazine ads are around $6 or 7.

The question is - can this group of jokers get the most out of their media buy. I can't imagine them making even a tiny ripple in the New York media market. To be noticed in NYC, you have to be truly extraordinary.

[KDLarsen]

Looks like the video they intend to air is ready

hHIj9wzbYGQ

I don't have sound on this machine, so I have no idea what (if anything) is being said. However, as usual the truthers appear to ignore the penthouse collapsing :rolleyes:

[BigAl]

$750 per spot to reach 10,000 people = $7.50 CPM. This is so-so in terms of media, and indeed a realistic figure. Broadcast TV is usually ~$10 CPM, cable maybe $5 or $6, radio from $4 - 5, and outdoor (billboards) between $2 and 3. Magazine ads are around $6 or 7.

The question is - can this group of jokers get the most out of their media buy. I can't imagine them making even a tiny ripple in the New York media market. To be noticed in NYC, you have to be truly extraordinary.


They can hope they get rejected by TV. Then they can promote it as "truth banned by the media" and it won't cost them a nickle.

[AJM8125]

They can hope they get rejected by TV. Then they can promote it as "truth banned by the media" and it won't cost them a nickle.

And they keep the donations. Sickening.

[Orphia Nay]

Looks like the video they intend to air is ready

hHIj9wzbYGQ

I don't have sound on this machine, so I have no idea what (if anything) is being said. However, as usual the truthers appear to ignore the penthouse collapsing :rolleyes:

Basically, it's one long Appeal to Emotion. No facts at all. (Not that they've got any. ;))

[Scott Sommers]

But if you were these guys, what would you be doing? No one goes to their rallies. Guys like Tony Z. and Dickie G. are increasingly being marginalized by insane people and no planers. I've watched hundreds of videos of public events held by these guys and it's increasingly young kids giggling and looking stupid. No one has any money, and my guess is Charlie Sheen is increasingly getting tired of them cutting into his drug money. It's a weirder and weirder crowd.

Real question. as pathetic as it all seems, what else can they do? Ads on TV? Referendums in little towns? Petitions? No one real is going to publish their stuff and they're increasingly a bunch of nuts.

[jhunter1163]

This ad, if it ever gets on the air at all, will be on at 3 am between ads for ITT Technical Colleges and the EZ-Shaper.

[Orphia Nay]

Well, with 9 days to go...

We’ve raised $25,000 more since the ad premiered last Thursday, bringing us to a total of $39,765, and it has been viewed over 100,000 times on YouTube. Thank you for making the first week the ad’s existence a huge success.

Who thinks they'll raise $60,000 in 9 days? ;)

And 100,000 views on Youtube? So only 100,000 people in the world are following 9/11 Truth's best effort ever? :newlol

[Scott Sommers]

Well, with 9 days to go...



Who thinks they'll raise $60,000 in 9 days? ;)

And 100,000 views on Youtube? So only 100,000 people in the world are following 9/11 Truth's best effort ever? :newlol

They sent notices around on all their mailing lists. I can meth heads in Hoboken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoboken,_New_Jersey) watching it over and over 24 hours a day.

[jhunter1163]

Well, with 9 days to go...



Who thinks they'll raise $60,000 in 9 days? ;)

And 100,000 views on Youtube? So only 100,000 people in the world are following 9/11 Truth's best effort ever? :newlol

Where is it airing other than Youtube? Anywhere? Have they even made the buy yet?

[Mr.Herbert]

No what??

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o233/CameronFox/nosound.jpg

Finally they admit it. :rolleyes:

[carlitos]

Where is it airing other than Youtube? Anywhere? Have they even made the buy yet?
Originally Posted by NYCCAN
We’ve raised $25,000 more since the ad premiered last Thursday, bringing us to a total of $39,765, and it has been viewed over 100,000 times on YouTube. Thank you for making the first week the ad’s existence a huge success.

Yes, what do they mean "since the ad premiered?" Did it run on television? This was supposed to be a TV ad campaign.

No what??

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o233/CameronFox/nosound.jpg

Finally they admit it. :rolleyes:
And...we are back to the incredulous "looks like" a controlled demolition. Minus the flashes and squibs.

[Edx]

No what??

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o233/CameronFox/nosound.jpg

Finally they admit it. :rolleyes:

hehe, I laughed at that too. :D

[jhunter1163]

Of course there's no sound. That's so you don't not-hear the demolition charges going off.

[TexasJack]

Are they going to air this on 9/11?

[Macgyver1968]

I was stundie searching over at the Icke forum...when I came across a link for a new website, raising money to air a commercial on NY tv about WTC 7.

BuildingWhat.org

Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age, but something set a red flag off in my head. One of the first things I noticed was the "all donations are 100% tax deductible."...but there is no mention of 501(c) status with IRS. I wonder if there is a way to check to see if they are a legitimate 501(c) entity? Another red flag...there's no contact information or any names or anything about the organization or way to directly contact them.

From what I see...the campaign is a little more than a month old. They claim to have raised $41k in that time. Knowing the truther community...I'm a little dubious about that claim...but what I'm wondering...if they have indeed raised $41k..that plenty of enough money to get the ad on the air at least a few times. Why haven't they done it?

I wonder if this is just a money making scheme?

5% of your contribution will be donated to the WTC Rescuers Foundation and 5% will go to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, one of the campaign's cosponsors. Of the remaining 90%, 5% will go toward web design and press releases, and the rest will go toward ad placement.

So far...that's 2 grand each. My prediction...the ad will never run...WTC Rescuers Foundation won't get a dime, and someone who thinks he doing something to "wake up" America to WTC7 truth woo...will pay his cable bill.

[Childlike Empress]

if they have indeed raised $41k..that plenty of enough money to get the ad on the air at least a few times. Why haven't they done it?


Why do you assume they haven't?

[leftysergeant]

Have you forwarded this to the IRS? I think they would be interested.

It looks like some twoofers found a new way to make a living being useless.

[Horatius]

Ahem. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=182595)

[triforcharity]

Because these idiots had a hard time getting 41,000 signatures in a city of 8,000,000 people!

[Reactor drone]

The donate links are leading to AE911truth for which they're claiming "AE911Truth is an IRS approved 501(c)3 tax exempt non–profit corporation."

http://www2.ae911truth.org/b7advert/taxdeductible.php

[leftysergeant]

So Gage is going to get his crap on natioally-broadcast TV. Figures.

[ozeco41]

The donate links are leading to AE911truth for which they're claiming "AE911Truth is an IRS approved 501(c)3 tax exempt non–profit corporation."

http://www2.ae911truth.org/b7advert/taxdeductible.php

I'm sure the claim for 501 tax exempt is true.
They credit the paperwork to Dwain Deets who some time ago, two years at a guess, was a regular on the Richard Dawkins forum. Username dadeets. I did battle with him on numerous occasions.

More info at: http://cms.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/284-ae911truth-tax-exempt.html

[triforcharity]

They are, as of this year, a 501(c)(3) orginization. Next year sometime, we will know exactly how much Gage makes off the idiots who follow his idiocity.

[Horatius]

They are, as of this year, a 501(c)(3) orginization. Next year sometime, we will know exactly how much Gage makes off the idiots who follow his idiocity.



I'm going to guess, "Solid middle-class income".

[AJM8125]

So Gage is going to get his crap on natioally-broadcast TV. Figures.

I don't think so. No MSM outlet is going to carry that crap, which is exactly what Gage and NYCCAN wants.

They'll have to go with less costly independant and / or alternative media, their ad is still aired, they get to scream MSM cover up and pocket the balance. By the time the truthers figure that one out(assuming they can), the proceeds will already be in Aruba and the next scheme will be in the works.

Win-win.

[Dog Town]

So Gage is going to get his crap on natioally-broadcast TV. Figures.

But what about da Jooooo's?:rolleyes:

[16.5]

I asked one of our lawyers to perform research and prepare an objection to their claim that they are a 501(c)3 charitable organization on the basis that they are in fact a political organization.

I have no idea what the procedure is (that is why we pay*lawyers), but I have asked them to get me something to send to the IRS by the end of next week.

They are doing this on a pro bono basis as a favor to me.

*I realize that we are not actually "paying" him anything.

PLEASE SEND ME ANYTHING THAT MAKES CLEAR THAT THIS IS POLITICAL, WHETHER RELATED TO THE PETITION, THE AD CAMPAIGN OR ANYTHING ELSE. THANKS!!

[Macgyver1968]

Why do you assume they haven't?

Because it would be all over Infowars if it had aired.

[DGM]

Because it would be all over Infowars if it had aired.
The last I heard they got their "ad" on YouTube.

This:

hHIj9wzbYGQ

[leftysergeant]

The last I heard they got their "ad" on YouTube.

This:

hHIj9wzbYGQ

Can they get any less meaningful evidence into a video clip???

[AaronMHatch]

Part of me hopes they make enough to put some ads on TV. I think it would be hilariously embarrassing for them to go mainstream.

[Orphia Nay]

I asked one of our lawyers to perform research and prepare an objection to their claim that they are a 501(c)3 charitable organization on the basis that they are in fact a political organization.

I have no idea what the procedure is (that is why we pay*lawyers), but I have asked them to get me something to send to the IRS by the end of next week.

They are doing this on a pro bono basis as a favor to me.

*I realize that we are not actually "paying" him anything.

PLEASE SEND ME ANYTHING THAT MAKES CLEAR THAT THIS IS POLITICAL, WHETHER RELATED TO THE PETITION, THE AD CAMPAIGN OR ANYTHING ELSE. THANKS!!

Awesome.

I guess we need a legal definition of "political".

[Orphia Nay]

The donate links are leading to AE911truth for which they're claiming "AE911Truth is an IRS approved 501(c)3 tax exempt non–profit corporation."

http://www2.ae911truth.org/b7advert/taxdeductible.php

Yep.


World 9/11 Truth have a donation page on their site:
http://world911truth.org/most-important-911-truth-campaign-ever/
This seems odd because it looks like they're the only fundraisers, omitting A&E's page.

I contacted World 9/11 Truth and asked them if donations to their site were tax deductible, and they said no, they're not. I don't see them advertising as such either, but anyone who heard about the fundraising drive being tax deductible and then donated at their site would be duped, or might lodge an illegal tax deduction claim. Although, caveat emptor. :con2:

Update on the campaign coming up in a minute...

[Orphia Nay]

From NYCCAN'T:

-To date $52,168 has been raised. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your generous support and commitment.

-Given our deadline of Sunday, September 12, we are adjusting our original goal of raising $500,000 to $100,000, still enough to have a huge impact.

I got it wrong before - they were trying to raise $500,000! I severely underestimated their scale of FAIL! Nice to see them being true to form and moving the goalposts down 80%. :)

-By hiring a professional time buyer to place the ad, we will get a rate of 10,000 views per every $400 spent, with the possibility of even lower costs per view depending upon negotiations.

-Conservatively, this would translate to 2.5 million views throughout the New York DMA (Designated Market Area) over the period of one week.

-These 2.5 million views will be spread over a target audience of roughly 300,000 New York DMA unique viewers who are “more likely to act.” These viewers will see the ad an average of 8 to 10 times each. Thus, 300,000 of New York’s most politically active TV viewers will see the ad enough times to make an impact on their thinking and behavior.

-The market research we are using defines audiences “more likely to act” as being comprised of individuals who have:

Written or called any politician at any level

Attended a political rally, speech or organized a protest

Held or ran for political office

Served on a committee for some local organization

Worked for a political party

Been an active member of a group to influence public policy

-High-reach networks/programs on which the ad will likely appear are: MSNBC (The Ed Show, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow), CNN (CNN Newsroom, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, Larry King), and Comedy Central (The Daily Show, The Colbert Report). Niche networks on which the ad will likely appear are Logo TV, DIY Network, IFC, HGTV, The Biography Channel, BBC America, The Science Channel, Sundance, VH1 Classic, The Learning Channel, Bravo TV, CNBC, History International, and Investigation Discovery.

[KDLarsen]

I wonder if they actually cleared the two clips of WTC7 falling with the copyright owners?

It seems profesionally made, so they probably did, but this being the Twoof movement, I wouldn't be surprised if they had forgot to do so :rolleyes:

[Orphia Nay]

August 11, 2010: "We are seeking to raise $500,000 between August 11 and September 11, 2010 to cover the costs of this effort."

September 10, 2010: "As of Friday, September 10 we have raised $70,000.
Let's make it to $100,000 by the end of the weekend!"

So, not only have they lowered the bar, they're moved the goalpost further infield.

[SpitfireIX]

So, not only have they lowered the bar, they're moved the goalpost further infield.


Wow. Conspiracy theorists moving the goalposts closer. That's got to be a first. :D

[Orphia Nay]

Email excerpt from 2 days ago:
The “BuildingWhat?” fundraising drive has been extended to Wednesday, September 22.

We first want to thank all of those who have donated to getting the “BuildingWhat?” TV ad on the air in New York City. Your contribution has helped us reach over $75,000 in just a few weeks. This is an incredible success for all of us and our collective effort will have an enormous impact.

But, we are not there yet. For the “BuildingWhat?” ad campaign to achieve the fullest success possible, we need to reach our goal of $100,000.

We invite you to be a part of this success by donating $10 or more. Please watch the ad and donate right now. If everyone across the world who lays eyes on this letter chips in $10, we would easily surpass our goal by the end of the week.

Help expose the collapse of Building 7 to millions of New Yorkers with this historic ad campaign.

We also invite you to take “The Pledge” to spread the word to at least ten friends. It's easy and quick and will help “BuildingWhat?” reach thousands more people.

The goalpost moves even further infield.

I'm surprised they didn't make that a real chain letter and say, "if you don't send this email to 10 people, you're not a patriot". :oldroll:

Another thread on this topic has been started here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=185941

[triforcharity]

Email excerpt from 2 days ago:


The goalpost moves even further infield.

I'm surprised they didn't make that a real chain letter and say, "if you don't send this email to 10 people, you're not a patriot" parrott. :oldroll:

Another thread on this topic has been started here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=185941

FTFY Orphia!! You're welcome!!

[BigAl]

NY1 is NYC's local news channel. As part of 9/11 coverage they played a minute of the reading of the names. Somehow, Manny Badillo was shown reading his uncle's name, Tom Sgroi.

Badillo is a leader in NYCCAN. He gave a shout-out to the NYCCAN petition drive but somehow the number of signatures claimed has grown to 80,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mdoYOqaIc

[Orphia Nay]

NY1 is NYC's local news channel. As part of 9/11 coverage they played a minute of the reading of the names. Somehow, Manny Badillo was shown reading his uncle's name, Tom Sgroi.

Badillo is a leader in NYCCAN. He gave a shout-out to the NYCCAN petition drive but somehow the number of signatures claimed has grown to 80,000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mdoYOqaIc

Thanks for that, BigAl. I posted a link to that video in the other thread I linked to, but omitted to mention it in this one.

I notice Badillo stuck to the JAQing "we need a new investigation" rather than full-on "inside job / CD" snake oil. Is he just a poor, deluded family member, or is a rabid denier?

[jhunter1163]

They did get 80,000 signatures; it was just that after they weeded out the Hugh Jasses and Jack Mehoffs that the number shrank to 32,000, or whatever it was.

It wouldn't have mattered if they got 10 million, though; the petition was so badly flawed legally that there was no way the City's lawyers would ever have let it on the ballot. People in the movement knew it too, but they charged ahead anyway.

[catsmate1]

I'm surprised they didn't make that a real chain letter and say, "if you don't send this email to 10 people, you're not a patriot". :oldroll:


Don't give them ideas, that's better than anything they've come up with on their own.:D

[Orphia Nay]

Don't give them ideas, that's better than anything they've come up with on their own.:D

:newlol Thanks! :D

I find it extremely funny that just after NYCCAN'T etc announce their ad will be aired during the Daily Show, Jon Stewart announces his "Rally to Restore Sanity".

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=185872

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/orphia/Twoof/outsidejob.jpg

NYCCAN, AE911T & "BUILDING WHAT" ALL PWNED!

[Orphia Nay]

Finally, an update has just arrived. They've only raised $88,000, and have barely raised any for weeks.

For the last two weeks we have been negotiating to get the biggest bang for our buck. Because of election season, advertising rates are about three times the normal rate, and so we decided to push back the release until immediately after the election when rates are rock bottom.

As the deal stands now, the ad will be viewed almost 5 million times, and 500,000 New Yorkers will see it an average of 8 times each. It will run on the most popular cable shows and channels including the Daily Show, the Colbert Report, MSNBC and CNN, as well as a dozen smaller channels.

The contract will be finalized by the end of the week, at which time we will announce the exact dates the ad will be aired.

I'm not holding my breath.

[Orphia Nay]

I posted on the Rally to Restore Sanity Facebook wall about the ad's planned airing.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1455833996983&set=o.118856078167623&po=1

It's getting quite a few positive replies. Some are saying boycott the show! But I'm hoping I can contact Comedy Central and stop them from selling the airtime.

[jhunter1163]

Maybe you should try and get contact infor for Jon Stewart and show him the ad. He would love it. A chance to blast Truthers AND bite the hand that feeds him for selling the time. It's a two-fer for him.

[carlitos]

I posted on the Rally to Restore Sanity Facebook wall about the ad's planned airing.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1455833996983&set=o.118856078167623&po=1

It's getting quite a few positive replies. Some are saying boycott the show! But I'm hoping I can contact Comedy Central and stop them from selling the airtime.

My guess is that they won't be buying ads from the network, rather from the local cable provider. National network and cable shows have so many "local" spot units per half-hour that are sold by local sales. This is why you can see an ad for a local car dealer or pizza place in Monday Night Football, for instance. It's a very affordable way to get network presence on a local basis. This is also the only way they could achieve $400 for an ad insertion, if this is true as they say.

I remain skeptical that they will ever run an ad, but I'm curious to see if they prove me wrong.

[Orphia Nay]

Maybe you should try and get contact infor for Jon Stewart and show him the ad. He would love it. A chance to blast Truthers AND bite the hand that feeds him for selling the time. It's a two-fer for him.

I've been trying to find contact details for him, but haven't had any luck. If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it.

In the meantime...

I started a thread about NYCCAN wanting to air their ad during The Daily Show at the Daily Show Forum:

http://forums.thedailyshow.com/?page=ThreadView&thread_id=32166

Surprise, surprise, some truthers are trying to sell their snake oil in it.

[jhunter1163]

Wow, that Mark guy is a blowhard. I invited him over here. We'll see if he thinks he's ready to run with the big dogs.

[jhunter1163]

Mark got awful quiet all of a sudden. :rolleyes:

[Disbelief]

Mark got awful quiet all of a sudden. :rolleyes:

He's just another blowhard. Arrogant yet incompetent.

[jhunter1163]

Well, we'll see if he comes here. He was on about the Jones/Harrit paper, and about Tony Szamboti's work. I pointed him to the destruction of both of those here. He was not grateful. ;)

[Orphia Nay]

Now he's working on replying to Gregory Urich's 18 points.

What makes every truther think they alone are the purveyors of Teh Ultimate Answer!!11!?

Nice work there, jhunter. :thumbsup:

[jhunter1163]

Ol' Mark just doesn't get it. Gregory Urich is a Truther. If your own team sees problems with your evidence, it's time to re-evaluate for sure.

[Orphia Nay]

I posted this on 11 October.

Finally, an update has just arrived. They've only raised $88,000, and have barely raised any for weeks.

[...]The contract will be finalized by the end of the week, at which time we will announce the exact dates the ad will be aired.

I'm not holding my breath.

Two weeks later... still nothing.

[carlitos]

Now they are at $93,882. Has the ad been run anywhere? The buildingwhat.org web page says "Watch the TV Ad Millions of New Yorkers Will See." Setting aside their optimistic view of impressions, will they ever run the ad?

I can't believe that this is tax deductible. If their math is right, and if they get to $100,000 in donations, they will have $85,000 left for ad placement (before commissions).

BuildingWhat? is a TV ad campaign to raise awareness of Building 7

All contributions are 100% tax-deductible. 5% of your contribution will be donated to the WTC Rescuers Foundation and 5% will go to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, one of the campaign’s cosponsors. Of the remaining 90%, 5% will go toward web design and press releases, and the rest will go toward ad placement.

[DGM]

BuildingWhat? is a TV ad campaign to raise awareness of Building 7

All contributions are 100% tax-deductible. 5% of your contribution will be donated to the WTC Rescuers Foundation and 5% will go to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, one of the campaign’s cosponsors. Of the remaining 90%, 5% will go toward web design and press releases, and the rest will go toward ad placement.

Hey....How do I get in on this racket? Every time I'm asked to sponsor an event they always want me to pay.


:rolleyes:

[Orphia Nay]

This arrived in my inbox this morning:

The ad will run in 350 spots from November 2 through November 10 and will be seen about 7.1 million times by nearly 900,000 unique viewers at an average of eight-plus times each. And these estimates do not take into account that Election Day and the Wednesday after are two of the biggest days in the year for television viewership.

The ad will appear on thirteen channels including MSNBC, CNN, Comedy Central, HGTV, Logo TV, Bio TV, Versus TV, MSG, Sports NY, VH1, HLN, CNBC and Bravo. We have “roadblocks” scheduled on Wednesday night from 8pm to 9pm and 11pm to midnight. This means that those of you in the New York area who tune in to Keith Olbermann, The Daily Show, Nancy Grace, CNBC, MSG, The Biography Channel and Versus TV at 8pm, and The Daily Show/Colbert Report, Anderson Cooper, Logo TV, and the Biography Channel at 11pm are guaranteed to see the ad.

Alongside the TV spots, we will be conducting outreach to the media and to the New York City Council to ensure that BuildingWhat? gets the attention it deserves. Following the run of the ad, we will commission a new opinion poll by the Siena Research Institute and send the results to every City Council member.

[jhunter1163]

Alongside the TV spots, we will be conducting outreach to the media and to the New York City Council to ensure that BuildingWhat? gets the attention it deserves. Following the run of the ad, we will commission a new opinion poll by the Siena Research Institute and send the results to every City Council member.

Wouldn't it be priceless if the results showed that FEWER people believed 9/11 was an inside job after this campaign than before? If it's an Internet poll, we'd have to game it. Just HAVE to.

[Orphia Nay]

Wouldn't it be priceless if the results showed that FEWER people believed 9/11 was an inside job after this campaign than before? If it's an Internet poll, we'd have to game it. Just HAVE to.

Hmm, yes, we might have to, since they're trying to game their poll. :)

[carlitos]

And the solid, scientific researchers at NYCCAN have Siena Research Center running a pre-poll as a control so that they can validate the effictiveness of their ad, right? Given that they want to use each donated dollar in the most efficient and effective way, this would sort of be a no-brainer.

[Orphia Nay]

And the solid, scientific researchers at NYCCAN have Siena Research Center running a pre-poll as a control so that they can validate the effictiveness of their ad, right? Given that they want to use each donated dollar in the most efficient and effective way, this would sort of be a no-brainer.

Hehehe! I guess this proves they have no brains! :D

[jhunter1163]

If we can get 360,000 votes for a cat, we can surely get the votes to say 9/11 was an outside job, no?

[KDLarsen]

If we can get 360,000 votes for a cat, we can surely get the votes to say 9/11 was an outside job, no?
I don't know about that.

Cats are unique and have a mystical aura when it comes to attracting the dwellers of the interwebs.

[jhunter1163]

Not quite on-topic, but brilliant just the same:

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10/29/palins-facebook-wall-pwned/

(Hat tip to Sabrina for putting this on her FB)

[Orphia Nay]

:big: Most excellent! Thanks for the laugh, jhunter. :)

[Bobby]

I'm depressed. TV commercial for buildingwhat.org aired during The Colbert Report election night coverage, NYC, November 2nd 2010.

[Orphia Nay]

I'm depressed. TV commercial for buildingwhat.org aired during The Colbert Report election night coverage, NYC, November 2nd 2010.

Yep, and NYCCAN are all excited.

Election Day 2010 is here, and across New York hundreds of thousands of people are tuning in for election results and are hearing about World Trade Center Building 7 for the first time ever. In fact, friends of the campaign just contacted us to say they saw the ad on CNN at 9pm EST.

So, thank you to everyone who has worked so hard and donated so generously to make this campaign possible. This is truly a moment to rejoice. For the next eight days, the ad will air over 350 times and is estimated to be seen by millions of viewers in the New York Metropolitan Area, reaching core target audiences multiple times.

For those of you in the New York area who want to know when to tune in so that you are guaranteed to see it, we have “roadblocks” scheduled on Wednesday night from 8pm to 9pm and 11pm to midnight. This means that if you watch Keith Olbermann, The Daily Show, Nancy Grace, CNBC, MSG, The Biography Channel and Versus TV at 8pm, and The Daily Show/Colbert Report, Anderson Cooper, Logo TV, and the Biography Channel at 11pm, you will definitely see it.

[DGM]

I'm depressed. TV commercial for buildingwhat.org aired during The Colbert Report election night coverage, NYC, November 2nd 2010.
Why are you depressed? The worst this AE truth can get is wide spread attention. Technical scrutiny of any of their "theories" would mean certain death. That's why they never submit anything for peer review or actually try to bring anyone to court with their "smoking guns".

This whole thing is an incredible waste of money and a pay check for Gage. Consider this, when was the last time you saw a "sponsor" charge 5% of the take?*

"Truthers" take note.




* of a non-profit venture

[Bobby]

Why are you depressed?

For one, the organizers managed to get sufficient funding for a series of commercials. That level of support for the bunk that the twoofers spew is depressing enough.

[Comrade Raptor]

For one, the organizers managed to get sufficient funding for a series of commercials. That level of support for the bunk that the twoofers spew is depressing enough.


Maybe, but ultimately propagating this nonsense can only hurt them. They think WTC7 is a hidden magic bullet, and that telling people about it will lead to people following the breadcrumb trail they lay out.

The problem is, the premise is still nuts and devoid of sense. They could have a multi-million dollar ad campaign and it wouldn't make any difference.

[grandmastershek]

Of course they have disabled comments on their youtube channel. Wouldn't want anyone contradicting their holy truther faith.