Canada Condemns 'Racist' Conan O'Brien TV Show

[Tony]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=638&u=/nm/20040213/en_nm/leisure_canada_conan_dc&printer=1 ...full article

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's government on Friday condemned a show by U.S. late-night television host Conan O'Brien that insulted people in French-speaking Quebec and seemed to suggest everyone in the province was homosexual.


Ottawa and the province of Ontario paid $760,000 to help O'Brien -- who appears on the NBC television network -- bring his show to Toronto for a week to boost the city's profile after a deadly SARS (news - web sites) outbreak last year.


But the federal government said O'Brien had gone far too far with the show broadcast on Thursday in which he went to Quebec, a province which has had separatist governments for much of the last 20 years and is a delicate political topic in Canada.


"We want to disassociate ourselves from the comments which were broadcast last night because we do not support them in any way," junior government minister Mauril Belanger told Parliament.


At one point in the show, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog -- a hand puppet that is a regular on the show -- said to a Quebecer: "You're French, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English." It told another: "I can smell your crotch from here."




I watched this about 15 minutes ago on Comedy Central. Funny *****, but this is the icing on the cake. Has the US government ever condemned a foreign talk show because it made jokes about Americans?

[Bearguin]

I'm going to look for other articles but have this to say first

from the article:
"Alexa McDonough, a legislator for the left-leaning New Democrats, described the program as "racist filth" and "utterly vile" and demanded the government seek the return of the C$1 million subsidy.


"There may be those who would say, 'Isn't this interfering with freedom of expression?' It's not interfering to say we will not publicly fund this kind of vile, vicious hatemongering," McDonough told reporters. "

Alexa McDonough is, and always has been, a first class twit. Her opinion is not one the majority of Canadians (or Quebecers) share.

[epepke]

Man, that's rich!

This explains a lot of why Canadian comics inevitably emigrate to the US.

I've seen the Ontario episodes of Conen, due to my weird schedule. They're typically Conen. I remember thinking that only Conen's humor was crude enough to be understandable by a Canadian audience, and it seems like they love it. But I suppose crude humor is only good if Americans are the targets.

Exactly what part of "Triumph the Insult Comic Dog" does the Canadian government not understand?

[zenith-nadir]

I am still in therapy after seeing Janet Jackson's boob with a giant ninja throwing star glued to her nipple....and now this!

OH THE HUMANITY! :cry:

[TruthSeeker]

My sense is that Triumph didn't say anything that many Canadian stand-up comics don't say as well.

I think this issue arises partly because of the twits, as God's Advocate points out, and partly because of what people hoped Conan's trip would accomplish. Many expected him to basically be a tourism campaign for Canada to boost our tourism after SARS. This is how they justified giving him $1, 000, 000 (although there was much controversy about that). I think nobody expected him to say anything negative ~ that'll scare away the tourists! If an American was thinking of going to Quebec, they might think again, blah, blah, blah. And, so, because Conan didn't do his "VISIT CANADA" duty, they want their money back. The twits obviously didn't know about Triumph. Fools. (although it is pretty funny to imagine their outrage)

[dissonance]

Well, I'm bitter. I didn't watch the show last night, cause it's on too late, and I just watched the re-run on Star.

They cut Triumph's bit. Sigh. I wanted to see it for myself before passing judgement, although given how many of the people it pissed off are people I don't much care for, I'm guessing I probably would have found it funny. Poor taste, maybe, but probably funny.

On a lighter note, I swear I just saw a Toyota commercial where a woman had Cthulhu in the trunk of her Echo Hatchback. And he ate a grocery store bag boy. Seriously.

Or maybe I had too much wine with dinner.

[TruthSeeker]

This article (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1076627413776&call_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630) will give you a taste.

[dissonance]

Yeah, I read the articles in the various papers this morning. I really wanted to see the actual bit, though. I've been reading the show summaries in the morning all week and then watching the show on the 10 o'clock re-runs, and personally I've found that some of the entertainment critics writing the articles have very different tastes than I do. So I wanted to see the bit, get a better sense for myself was it was like, rather than rely on the paper reports.

[TruthSeeker]

I thought you might have read it.

It was really no worse than other Triumph bits, I thought. I wonder if it will be available on the Conan site.

I'll look around....someone is likely to make it available in the next day or two.

[aerocontrols]

Can't take a joke?

That's not how I remember Quebec.

I guess I'll spend my tourist dollars where people have a sense of humor.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by aerocontrols
Can't take a joke?

That's not how I remember Quebec.

I guess I'll spend my tourist dollars where people have a sense of humor.

Toronto? We need you!

I've been to Atlanta. The least you can do is return the favour :)

[Zep]

Much ado about nothing...

[aerocontrols]

Hawaii (http://g.msn.com/0VD0/03/26?m=triumph_02_012704.wmv&csid=3&sd=MBR) can take a joke. (for those who want to see Triumph in action.)



Maybe the Conan O'Brien show should give back 1 million dollars Canadian.

[KelvinG]

How about these variations:

"You're black, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English." It told another: "I can smell your crotch from here."

Is it still funny?

"You're Muslim, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English." It told another: "I can smell your crotch from here."

How about now?

"You're Jewish, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English." It told another: "I can smell your crotch from here."

Offensive yet?

Why do I get the feeling that some of the sames posters in this thread that can't understand why anyone would be offended would change their mind it O'Brien had targetted the above groups.
Or would you all be willing just to say "Oh come on, it's just a joke."

Or are we just supposed to accept that some groups are fair game while others are off limits?

[TruthSeeker]

Kelvin,

My point was that by inviting Conan, they were inviting Triumph. This is Triumph's act. He is rude, racist, sexist etc. etc. Is that ok? No. However, given that this is his act, it was to be expected.

To be outraged now suggests that they did not do their research into Conan's show. You can't invite a guest over and then be upset when they are themselves and deliver exactly what you asked them for. That's all that Conan's show did.

If they wanted nothing but nice, they should have invited Regis.

Do you see what I mean?

TS

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Kelvin,

My point was that by inviting Conan, they were inviting Triumph. This is Triumph's act. He is rude, racist, sexist etc. etc. Is that ok? No. However, given that this is his act, it was to be expected.

To be outraged now suggests that they did not do their research into Conan's show. You can't invite a guest over and then be upset when they are themselves and deliver exactly what you asked them for. That's all that Conan's show did.

If they wanted nothing but nice, they should have invited Regis.

Do you see what I mean?

TS

Does Triumph make funs of Jews, blacks, Muslims or other groups that hold "sensitive" status in the US?

Do you think that if he did there might be some backlash?

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Does Triumph make funs of Jews, blacks, Muslims or other groups that hold "sensitive" status in the US?

Do you think that if he did there might be some backlash?

I don't know, I'm not a big Conan fan. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Perhaps someone who is more knowledgable can speak up here. Also, my sense is that making fun of French Canadians is more like making fun of bible-belt Americans or Southerners...that sort of level, rather than Muslims or Blacks. Separatists and Quebecois are a subgroup of Canadians (I am prepared to be flamed) ~ one a political group, the other geographic. So, perhaps the better comparison is how would an attack against "republicans" or "New Yorkers" be perceived.


Do you remember, Kelvin, when the same thing happened with Howard Stern? Montreal and Toronto started broadcasting his show about 7 or 8 years ago to boost sagging radio ratings. Again, the strategy was to bring in the American because somehow this was better than anything we had to offer (how irksome)

But this was Howard Stern. Who doesn't know what to expect? Within months, he was in all sorts of trouble for offending the Quebecois and other things too. (I don't remember all the details) So, he's gone now. But again, we bring in controversial acts to help us and then when they are controversial we get offended. It is embarrassing because it suggests that we put no forethought into our choices.

[LW]

Originally posted by KelvinG
Or are we just supposed to accept that some groups are fair game while others are off limits?

Well, my view is that all groups are fair game, including those where I happen to belong myself.

And about your three examples, I didn't find any of them funny so I guess that I wouldn't find the original funny either if I heard it.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker


I don't know, I'm not a big Conan fan. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Perhaps someone who is more knowledgable can speak up here. Also, my sense is that making fun of French Canadians is more like making fun of bible-belt Americans or Southerners...that sort of level, rather than Muslims or Blacks. Separatists and Quebecois are a subgroup of Canadians (I am prepared to be flamed) ~ one a political group, the other geographic. So, perhaps the better comparison is how would an attack against "republicans" or "New Yorkers" be perceived.


You may want to get some French Canadians opinions on this one.

Also, would it be wrong and worthy of condemnation if a similar joke had been made about blacks, Jews, or Muslims?
Why is that so?
Seems we've drawn a fine line between what groups are allowed to be ridiculed and which aren't. Why are we more sensitive in certain circumstances.
I'm expecting all my policital incorrect brothers and sisters on this board to stand up and say that a distinction shouldn't be made.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by KelvinG


You may want to get some French Canadians opinions on this one.


I lived in Quebec for almost a decade which included the last referendum. I know only too well what some (a minority) would have to say. This does not really change the fact that the separatists are a political movement and the "distinctness" is regional. Canada is made up of distinct regional groups ~ Maritimers are distinct, Quebecer are distinct, Ontarians are distinct etc. etc.

But then, what do I know? Afterall, I'm a Torontonian. You may begin your bashing :D

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker



I lived in Quebec for almost a decade which included the last referendum. I know only too well what some (a minority) would have to say. This does not really change the fact that the separatists are a political movement and the "distinctness" is regional. Canada is made up of distinct regional groups ~ Maritimers are distinct, Quebecer are distinct, Ontarians are distinct etc. etc.

But then, what do I know? Afterall, I'm a Torontonian. You may begin your bashing :D

Ah, I got nothing against Torontonians.

But, now that you've decided that French Canadians are fair game because they are a geographical minority rather than a racial one, can you still understand why others may not agree.
Perhaps some French Canadians are protective about their culture to such a degree that they don't see why there is a difference between making fun of them and making fun of a Jew or a black.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by KelvinG


You may want to get some French Canadians opinions on this one.

Also, would it be wrong and worthy of condemnation if a similar joke had been made about blacks, Jews, or Muslims?


oops...I responded before you edited...


Again, the comparison is not valid. He made fun of separatists ~ a political movement. He made fun of Quebecois ~ a regional group. It is not different than making fun of Republicans and Southerners or Californians in the States which seem to be fair game.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

Just to be clear, my Canada includes Quebec.

Best wishes.

TS

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker


oops...I responded before you edited...


Again, the comparison is not valid. He made fun of separatists ~ a political movement. He made fun of Quebecois ~ a regional group. It is not different than making fun of Republicans and Southerners or Californians in the States which seem to be fair game.

I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

Just to be clear, my Canada includes Quebec.

Best wishes.

TS

I don't know, he said:

"You're French, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English."

Uh, that doesn't sound like it's aimed just at seperatists. Are the "French" a culture, a race, an ethnic group? I'm not sure.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Ah, I got nothing against Torontonians.

But, now that you've decided that French Canadians are fair game because they are a geographical minority rather than a racial one, can you still understand why others may not agree.
Perhaps some French Canadians are protective about their culture to such a degree that they don't see why there is a difference between making fun of them and making fun of a Jew or a black.

Of course I understand. Remember, I lived it! The outrageousness of some of the Separatists' claims is part of why I left.

Anyway, the point of this thread was the response to Triumph. Again, I stick to my argument that it was to be expected. Just like it was to be expected when we broadcast Howard Stern. Can you see that?

[Skeptic]

Why do I get the feeling that some of the sames posters in this thread that can't understand why anyone would be offended would change their mind it O'Brien had targetted the above groups.

Context, context, context is everything. There are TONS of comedians "insulting" blacks and jews all over the place with black jokes, jewish jokes, etc., and it need not be "racist". It depends on the situation. If there is one thing jews and blacks are NOT off-limit to, it's jokedom.

In this case, the insults are deliberately so over-the-top and absurd as to not be taken seriously; the (not too funny, frankly) point is to get a laugh by their sheer nonsense value. It's more like the joke about the jews being blamed for the sinking of the TITANIC (Goldberg, iceberg, they're all the same), or Homer Simpson's "racist" comment calling the French "cheese eating surrender monkeys!".

Or would you all be willing just to say "Oh come on, it's just a joke."

Yes, I would--if it appeared in such a context. It wouldn't, not because there's any "taboo", but because it won't be funny.

[schplurg]

"You're French, you're obnoxious and you no speekay English." It told another: "I can smell your crotch from here."
Is that really so bad? Jeez Louise!!! Smelling butts and crotches is part of his shtick...he IS a dog you know?


O'Brien's team were also shown replacing street signs in the province with those that read "Quebecqueer Street" and "Rue des Pussies."

It's starting to look like sign #2 is correct.

Triumph also pays a yearly visit to the Westminster (sp) dog show and insults everyone and everything in sight, AND humps some of the doggie contestants as well. He is an insult comic...he even insulted Don Rickles once when he was Conan's guest - the KING of insulters...

"I once had a case of the Rickles...but I put some ointment on my butt and it went away!" Rickles almost fell out of his chair laughing.

The article makes it sound as if the entire government is condemning the show. The whiners should just learn from their mistake and shut up.

Or would you all be willing just to say "Oh come on, it's just a joke."


Yep. As an Italian I must say I've heard my fair share of Italian jokes. If people choose to be offended, that's their problem.

Perhaps some French Canadians are protective about their culture to such a degree that they don't see why there is a difference between making fun of them and making fun of a Jew or a black.

Maybe there isn't a difference...so what? What's wrong with making fun of a Jew or a Black person? Everyone is fair game. Most comedy does make fun of someone after all.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by schplurg


Maybe there isn't a difference...so what? What's wrong with making fun of a Jew or a Black person? Everyone is fair game. Most comedy does make fun of someone after all.

I agree. Maybe there isn't a difference.
I'm just not expecting Triumph to be making fun of blacks or Jews anytime soon. Why? Because O'Brien's show knows better than to tread into such sensitive territory.

If it is all just a big joke and people shouldn't be offended then I'd like to see Triumph go into a black neighborhood in NYC and ridicule them. He could mock them for being poor, being car thieves, smoking crack, etc.
After all, it's just a crazy dog puppet.

But you know damn well that isn't going to happen.

The point I'm trying to make in this thread it that people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss criticisms towards O'Brien's show just because it happened to be French Canadians who he ridiculed. I still maintain that these same people who are shrugging it off may not be so flippant if other more "sensitive" groups were targetted.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker


Of course I understand. Remember, I lived it! The outrageousness of some of the Separatists' claims is part of why I left.

Anyway, the point of this thread was the response to Triumph. Again, I stick to my argument that it was to be expected. Just like it was to be expected when we broadcast Howard Stern. Can you see that?

Yes, I can see that.

However, does that mean no matter what O'Brien's show says, or Howard Stern says, we have to bit our lips because we brought it on ourselves by inviting them to our country.
If a comedian crosses a line, can we be critical, or are we obliged to remain silent?

Is there a point Truth Seeker where you might be offended by something that a comedian says, or is absolutely everything fair game?

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Yes, I can see that.

However, does that mean no matter what O'Brien's show says, or Howard Stern says, we have to bit our lips because we brought it on ourselves by inviting them to our country.
If a comedian crosses a line, can we be critical, or are we obliged to remain silent?

Is there a point Truth Seeker where you might be offended by something that a comedian says, or is absolutely everything fair game?


Of course there is a point where it becomes offensive, cruel, inflammatory etc. and at that point, something should be said or done.

However, this is not, in my opinion, what happened with Triumph. According to several people who follow Triumph more closely than I do, his remarks were at about the same level as always. If that is true (and again, it may not be), then the act we were given was exactly what we requested. Did nobody research this?

Even without any research, I knew enough about Triumph (mostly from MTV Awards) to predict that he would be attacking Canadians viciously. It was probably not a far stretch to imagine that the target would be the Quebecois.

We may have "morning after" second thoughts, but that is not the fault of the show. I still think it is terribly embarrassing that people called for the return of the million we'd given to the show.

In essence, in my long winded way, I'm trying to say that if someone "crosses a line" we should speak up and take appropriate action if we had no way of knowing they would do this. For instance, if we had invited Regis and he said the same things Triumph said.

But, if we invite someone to speak and know beforehand what they will say because they've said it before, then we should not pretend to be shocked and outraged when they say it again. At best, we might tell them beforehand "no X, Y or Z"?

I hope this makes some sense. It is the end of a long day...

[epepke]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Just to be clear, my Canada includes Quebec.

Your Canada? Do you get personal, single servings of Canada up there?

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by epepke


Your Canada? Do you get personal, single servings of Canada up there?

Yes, we do. I'd be happy to share mine with you :)

Actually, it's an old political slogan supporting the continued inclusion of Quebec in Canada.

[bignickel]

Originally posted by Skeptic
Homer Simpson's "racist" comment calling the French "cheese eating surrender monkeys!".


(Comic Book Guy)I must point out, that any self-respecting Simpsons' fan would know that it was Groundskeeper Willie who made that comment while temporarily teaching French at Springfield Elementary in the episode 2F32 "'Round Springfield" . (/Comic Book Guy)

[epepke]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Yes, we do. I'd be happy to share mine with you :)

I suppose there's no hope of a six-pack, then.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Being Canadian (and half French to boot [bien oui!]), I think it's great. This is just another tired example of "political correctness". I'm sure 99% of the French (ou les Quebecois) probably found the show funny as well.

Charlie (first we start by making jokes about each other, then we kill all the lawyers) Monoxide

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by bignickel
(Comic Book Guy)I must point out, that any self-respecting Simpsons' fan would know that it was Groundskeeper Willie who made that comment while temporarily teaching French at Springfield Elementary in the episode 2F32 "'Round Springfield" . (/Comic Book Guy)


Pity that season 6 was after Conan O'Brien left the Simpsons (he wrote for them in seasons 3-5)


We could have squared the "Conan vs. Canada/France" circle.

[aerocontrols]

For those still interested, here (http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?CONTENT_ID=99256&page=media-viewer) is video of the international incident.

Conan's (Toronto) audience seemed to find it hilarious.

[Thanz]

I think that Howard Stern was knocked off the Canadian airwaves not because of the 'offensive' content, but rather because he sucks and so did the ratings.

Anyway, isn't triumph a rip off of Ed the Sock? A reude obnoxious puuppet with a cigar?

[Wrath of the Swarm]

Of course the Canadians would complain. They complain about everything, with their beady little eyes and flapping heads...

[outraged citizen]: "That's racist! You, sir, are a racist!"

Why do I feel a musical number coming on?

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Thanz
I think that Howard Stern was knocked off the Canadian airwaves not because of the 'offensive' content, but rather because he sucks and so did the ratings.

Anyway, isn't triumph a rip off of Ed the Sock? A reude obnoxious puuppet with a cigar?

You are probably right. I thought he said nasty things about the French though. hmmm...bad memory. Maybe I'll do a search later today.

Ed the Sock is claiming that Triumph is a rip off. It is just too weird for me.

Thanz, we are neighbours! We should have a T.O. get-together.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by KelvinG
I agree. Maybe there isn't a difference.
I'm just not expecting Triumph to be making fun of blacks or Jews anytime soon. Why? Because O'Brien's show knows better than to tread into such sensitive territory.

Why didn't anyone point this out:

French = nationality
black = racial subdivision, kinda
muslim = religion
jewish = racial subdivsion, kinda, religion

It's generally way more acceptable to mock someone's nationality, even though race or religion might be taboo.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by LFTKBS


Why didn't anyone point this out:

French = nationality
black = racial subdivision, kinda
muslim = religion
jewish = racial subdivsion, kinda, religion

It's generally way more acceptable to mock someone's nationality, even though race or religion might be taboo.


I tried, but I failed. Thanks for being so clear. I would just add

Separatist = political party/movement

which is even more acceptable for mocking, usually.

[BillyTK]

They're getting upset over the utterances of a plastic puppet comedy dog? They're not getting upset that their tax dollars were spent on a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people? I mean, a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people is just so the cutting edge of comedy...

It's nearly a decade since a genuine comic talent—Bill Hicks—died and people are getting upset over a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people. I've found some words of Hicks' which are instructive here:

"You know. Bad f***ing choice."

[Badger]

Originally posted by BillyTK
They're getting upset over the utterances of a plastic puppet comedy dog? They're not getting upset that their tax dollars were spent on a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people? I mean, a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people is just so the cutting edge of comedy...

It's nearly a decade since a genuine comic talent—Bill Hicks—died and people are getting upset over a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people. I've found some words of Hicks' which are instructive here:

"You know. Bad f***ing choice."

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that the Newfies (maritimers from Newfoundland), Winnipegosians, Saskatchewanites, people from Moose Jaw and Salmon Arm, and those from the Vegreville area have not started class action suits, or at least began running around in circles, screaming in a frenzy that they have been the butt of unkind jokes as well.

With regard to the waste of tax dollars, I can imagine the political outrage at this, while not letting out a peep about the waste incipient in the gun registry fiasco, the prime ministers jet purchases, and many other collosal abuses of power and responsibility that have come to light in the Canadian Government in the last year.

This Conan O'Brien issue could have easily been solved by people pushing either the "off" button, or the "channel up/down" button no their TV remotes.

Geez, what a waste of time, airspace, energy, and electrons!

(is the horse dead yet?)

[Blondin]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Ah, I got nothing against Torontonians.



Why the hell, not? The rest of Canada does...

[Blondin]

I don't believe Quebecors are as thin-skinned as they are often depicted. It is mostly the separatists who jump on every opportunity to cry about anything that sounds like racist remarks and the Fed's feel obliged to register their indignation and outrage for fear of providing fuel for the "Bloc" fires.

The most violent reactions come from those most responsible for the "arrogant and obnoxious" reputation - the arrogant, obnoxious, *****-stirring separatists.

[epepke]

Originally posted by BillyTK
They're getting upset over the utterances of a plastic puppet comedy dog? They're not getting upset that their tax dollars were spent on a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people? I mean, a plastic puppet comedy dog which insults people is just so the cutting edge of comedy...

There's the meta-comedy element involved.

I doubt that one American out of ten knows who Conan O'Brien is. He occupies a television slot that is largely unwatched. While David Letterman in that slot managed to hit a Yuppie nerve, shifted networks, and got into the prime 11:30 slot, Conan O'Brien did not, so he relies on a staple of gross and incomprehensible pseudo-schtick, including Masturbating Bear, Cactus Chef playing "We Didn't Start the Fire" on the flute, and fake porno movies showing cast members having sex with themselves.

Paying him a lot of money to boost tourism to Canada is a bit like space aliens landing in Iowa and worshipping some lemuel because he has a John Deere cap. It's one of those cultural flubs that would be tragic if it weren't so funny.

On the other hand, what's his competition? Red Green knocking his nerdy sidekick over with a ladder on sped-up film? The guy with the Talking to America show, where the humor entirely consists of persuading Americans to say stupid things about Canada so that Canadians can laugh at him? Canada produces some of the finest comics in the world, all of whom eventually cross the border in search of a good audience.

Even the brilliant Second City troupe from Toronto had to add Great White North to their show because Canadian government officials declared that it did not have the appropriate amount of Canadian Content™. They said, well, we're all Canadian, and the show is from Canada, isn't that enough? So they introduced a segment with a couple of guys wearing toques, drinking beer, eating back bacon, and calling people "hoser."

[Thanz]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker


You are probably right. I thought he said nasty things about the French though. hmmm...bad memory. Maybe I'll do a search later today.

Ed the Sock is claiming that Triumph is a rip off. It is just too weird for me.

Thanz, we are neighbours! We should have a T.O. get-together.
I think he did say nasty things about the French, but I don't think that was what caused his cancellation. I tried to listen, but found it far too boring. I think others had the same reastion.

Anywhoo, what part of Toronto are you in? (if you'd rather PM me, that's fine)